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Cleatarrior

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Nov 17, 2009, 11:43:51 AM11/17/09
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So all of a sudden if Orton can't start against SD he's done here, forever?

Nothing like a little regression to bring out the bloodsuckers.

Can we feed Simms to the writers and start pushing for Brandstater?

Is it too soon to speculate on Tony Pike falling to us in the draft?

Was Clady's play impacted by the unfamiliarity of working with Hochstein
instead of Hamilton?

Adam Smith

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Nov 17, 2009, 12:44:43 PM11/17/09
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Kiszla's always been like that. At least he isn't pursuing his
bizarre vendetta against Shanahan anymore.

To be fair though, he does kind of have a point. Orton is adequate
for McDaniels' system, but not much more. He's got an injury history,
and if that starts rearing its head in Denver the coaches may decide
that it's not worth sticking with an injury-plagued QB if he's only
adequate when healthy.

Kiszla was probably more wrong when he was touting Orton as an MVP
possibility than he is now.

Cleatarrior

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Nov 17, 2009, 2:37:23 PM11/17/09
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Adam Smith wrote:
> On Nov 17, 11:43 am, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>> So all of a sudden if Orton can't start against SD he's done here, forever?
>>
>> Nothing like a little regression to bring out the bloodsuckers.
>>
>> Can we feed Simms to the writers and start pushing for Brandstater?
>>
>> Is it too soon to speculate on Tony Pike falling to us in the draft?
>>
>> Was Clady's play impacted by the unfamiliarity of working with Hochstein
>> instead of Hamilton?
>
> Kiszla's always been like that. At least he isn't pursuing his
> bizarre vendetta against Shanahan anymore.

Lol, good point.

> To be fair though, he does kind of have a point. Orton is adequate
> for McDaniels' system, but not much more. He's got an injury history,
> and if that starts rearing its head in Denver the coaches may decide
> that it's not worth sticking with an injury-plagued QB if he's only
> adequate when healthy.

No question there, I'm not defending Orton's rag arm per se, but I am
going to say this is the kind of neurotic overwriting that athletes
complain about, and justifiably so.

> Kiszla was probably more wrong when he was touting Orton as an MVP
> possibility than he is now.

He does seem to have the emotional range of a windshield wiper, doesn't he?

Fred Waiss, Sr.

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Nov 18, 2009, 5:15:15 PM11/18/09
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"Cleatarrior" <nos...@xx.block> wrote in message
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My brother (who is wintering in Wisconsin...again) watched the game with me and
he had an interesting observation. He said that it seemed that when Simms went
in, the entire offense looked out of synch because of the switch to a
left-handed QB. Polumbus suddenly had to protect the blind side, Clady now has
the QB moving toward him, the handoffs in the run game are different, the passes
have a different rotation, etc. Simms himself, while not quite apologizing for
his performance ("Never apologize! It's a sign of weakness."-- Leroy Jethro
Gibbs.) admitted that he gets almost no physical reps in practice. It's mostly
mental reps. He stands behind Orton and does mental QBing while Orton does the
phys and mental.
If this is all so, then a week of reps by Simms may be all that's needed to
right the offensive ship from the capsize of the second half.

Adam Smith

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Nov 18, 2009, 7:51:58 PM11/18/09
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On Nov 18, 5:15 pm, "Fred Waiss, Sr." <wa...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> My brother (who is wintering in Wisconsin...again) watched the game with me and
> he had an interesting observation.  He said that it seemed that when Simms went
> in, the entire offense looked out of synch because of the switch to a
> left-handed QB.  Polumbus suddenly had to protect the blind side, Clady now has
> the QB moving toward him, the handoffs in the run game are different, the passes
> have a different rotation, etc.  Simms himself, while not quite apologizing for
> his performance ("Never apologize!  It's a sign of weakness."-- Leroy Jethro
> Gibbs.) admitted that he gets almost no physical reps in practice.  It's mostly
> mental reps.  He stands behind Orton and does mental QBing while Orton does the
> phys and mental.
> If this is all so, then a week of reps by Simms may be all that's needed to
> right the offensive ship from the capsize of the second half.

Now THAT is an interesting point. I remember Tony Jones once talking
about switching from RT to LT and he said it was like learning to
brush your teeth all over again with your off-hand. It sounds simple,
but you have to re-learn every reflex and instinct.

KG

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Nov 19, 2009, 3:16:42 AM11/19/09
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Seems like it's a bad idea to have a left-handed/right-handed
difference with the starter and the backup although the 49ers of the
80s/90s seemed to do well with it.

They may have given the backup more reps so the team was used to it.

Adam Smith

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Nov 19, 2009, 9:27:16 AM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 3:16 am, KG <kgringi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seems like it's a bad idea to have a left-handed/right-handed
> difference with the starter and the backup although the 49ers of the
> 80s/90s seemed to do well with it.
>
> They may have given the backup more reps so the team was used to it.

Yeah, I was thinking about that yesterday too. (I suppose when your
backup is Steve Young it's worth the hassle.)

According to the DPO this morning, Orton didn't practice yesterday, at
least for the 10 minutes of practice that was open to the press, but
he's hoping to play on Sunday:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13815656

Cleatarrior

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Nov 20, 2009, 2:11:41 PM11/20/09
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Hah, you guys nailed it! The lefty syndrome.

What's odd is I thought that Polumbus, even in the 2nd 1/2, had the
better game than Clady.

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