Go Chiefs!
Nunya Bidnits
heh...
because I don't have any new shtick to foist upon you all.like the jelly
donuts episode, and the Orton Hears A Boo thing has already been used up.
Go Chiefs!
And how about those Saints! Who dat! That game last night may have been the
most complete domination I have ever seen in a game between two legitimate
SB contenders, and it's truly one of the very best games I have ever seen
played by any team in the NFL. Ever. Damn, I'm impressed, and it couldn't
happen to a more deserving city. I can't wait for the NFC Championship game
to see them spank Queenie Favre and send him home to his momma.
MartyB in KC
Cleatarrior
> I'm just sayin...
>
> heh...
>
> because I don't have any new shtick to foist upon you all.like the jelly
> donuts episode, and the Orton Hears A Boo thing has already been used up.
>
> Go Chiefs!
Lol.
We're wary of the Arrowhead jinx, if not your running game...
> And how about those Saints! Who dat! That game last night may have been the
> most complete domination I have ever seen in a game between two legitimate
> SB contenders, and it's truly one of the very best games I have ever seen
> played by any team in the NFL. Ever. Damn, I'm impressed, and it couldn't
> happen to a more deserving city.
Oh yeah!
To see Brady and the evil gnome depressed on the sidelines was NFL at
its best.
> I can't wait for the NFC Championship game
> to see them spank Queenie Favre and send him home to his momma.
>
> MartyB in KC
I think I'm eating crow on shorting Brett, looks like he has no quit in him.
Preacher
"Nunya Bidnits" <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
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Best part about the Saints' awesome season is that the Chargers clearly kept
the wrong QB.
Steve
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
...and how many times have I told my hubby that <tee-hee>? Do you
wonder if Bolts fans think that?
Oh, wait... Brees was too *short*, right? He couldn't play at a
high level, right? The Pats defense was going to "block his line of
sight" because he was such a *short* guy, right?
KG
Brett's never been a quitter on the field, but off the field she's
still a maximum strength prima donna.
Adam Smith
> "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
Really? I haven't seen every Chargers game over the last few years,
but in the game they lost to the Broncos, Rivers seemed to be the only
reason they stayed in the game as long as they did. Brees is clearly
awesome, no question about that, but I guess I don't see any
convincing evidence that swapping Rivers for Brees would make much
difference in the Chargers' performance.
By far my favorite "kept the wrong QB" moment was after the '98 season
when the Chiefs cut Rich Gannon in favor of Elvis Grbac despite the
fact that they clearly performed better with Gannon under center. The
justification the Chiefs trotted out at the time was "Well, Gannon
might be better now, but Grbac is the choice for the future." Four
years later, Gannon was putting up All-Pro numbers with the Raiders
and Grbac was out of the league.
Cleatarrior
Cleatarrior
He's everything Doug Flutie wanted to be!
Cleatarrior
Come on now, cut him a bit of slack what with his wife's breast cancer
and losing his dad.
Cleatarrior
Mmmm..Grrrbackup!
Nunya Bidnits
> Best part about the Saints' awesome season is that the Chargers
> clearly kept the wrong QB.
>
> Steve
Rivers is good enough to make any head coach in the NFL a happy man.
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
clip
> By far my favorite "kept the wrong QB" moment was after the '98 season
> when the Chiefs cut Rich Gannon in favor of Elvis Grbac despite the
> fact that they clearly performed better with Gannon under center.
You need to shut up about that. It's cruel and unusual punishment. ;-)
BUT... the guy who made that deicision, went somewhere else and crushed the
hopes and dreams of another city... gee... remind me again, where that was?
MartyB in KC
KG
No way.
Every person has to go through those personal losses at some point in
their life.
The egomania/prima donna stuff just doesn't fly with me. I can
understand it if other people like her. She's a great player.
Adam Smith
> No way.
>
> Every person has to go through those personal losses at some point in
> their life.
>
> The egomania/prima donna stuff just doesn't fly with me. I can
> understand it if other people like her. She's a great player.
Yeah, I would be more tolerant of Favre's attitude if he hadn't always
been like this. His over-the-top celebrating in the Vikings-Packers
matchups this year are helping him burn more bridges in Green Bay than
he needed to.
He does seem to have found a near-perfect situation in Minnesota this
year, though. It reminds me a lot of Elway in '98. An aging Hall-of-
Fame QB who can't carry a team by himself anymore, but when paired
with a strong running game is tremendously effective at keeping
defenses honest.
Don't think they make it past the Saints, though.
Cleatarrior
Wow, such compassion...
> Every person has to go through those personal losses at some point in
> their life.
Nope, not every person has a family member with breast cancer, or loses
a dad to a heart attack while he's driving.
> The egomania/prima donna stuff just doesn't fly with me. I can
> understand it if other people like her. She's a great player.
What's clear about you is you like to scapegoat QBs.
You need to grow up Grungy, your juvenile spite is ultimately rather
trite and says far more about you than it does any given football player.
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 4, 12:54 am, KG <kgringi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No way.
>>
>> Every person has to go through those personal losses at some point in
>> their life.
>>
>> The egomania/prima donna stuff just doesn't fly with me. I can
>> understand it if other people like her. She's a great player.
>
> Yeah, I would be more tolerant of Favre's attitude if he hadn't always
> been like this. His over-the-top celebrating in the Vikings-Packers
> matchups this year are helping him burn more bridges in Green Bay than
> he needed to.
Fair observation, though he has always been a fiery competitor.
I suspect he's got a wee bit of a grudge against GB management going on.
> He does seem to have found a near-perfect situation in Minnesota this
> year, though. It reminds me a lot of Elway in '98. An aging Hall-of-
> Fame QB who can't carry a team by himself anymore, but when paired
> with a strong running game is tremendously effective at keeping
> defenses honest.
Accurate comparison, same held for Cunningham and the Vikes 12 years back.
> Don't think they make it past the Saints, though.
Could that be one of the great playoff games ever?
KG
Every person, unless they die first, lose moms and dads. If it's not
cancer it's something else. For every birth there is a death and we're
all gonna end up with the same fate: dead.
Brett's daddy died years ago. I'm not cutting her any slack now
because of that - she's had plenty of time to come to terms with it.
It's no excuse for prima donna behavior.
She is a great player though, I'll give you that.
Cleatarrior
But not in a tragic car wreck, although Jordan had that happen to his
dad too.
> If it's not
> cancer it's something else. For every birth there is a death and we're
> all gonna end up with the same fate: dead.
Nice, you have what strikes me as a fairly juvenile attitude toward life
and death.
> Brett's daddy died years ago. I'm not cutting her any slack now
> because of that - she's had plenty of time to come to terms with it.
> It's no excuse for prima donna behavior.
Brett's been Brett since high school.
> She is a great player though, I'll give you that.
And you're immature as all get out, I'll give you that.
Nunya Bidnits
Getting some popcorn and pulling up a chair...
KG
It's a realistic attitude. We're all gonna end up dead.
Losing a parent is no excuse for acting like a prima donna years after
the fact.
Fred Waiss, Sr.
"Cleatarrior" <nos...@xx.block> wrote in message
news:hfc1lj$8e7$2...@news.datemas.de...
"When I die I want to go quickly and peacefully like my
grandfather...not screaming and terrified like the passengers in his car."
Cleatarrior
<smirks>
I should now better than to try and pour 2 liters of life into a one
liter container..
Cleatarrior
Doesn't alter how we feel when it gets close however.
> Losing a parent is no excuse for acting like a prima donna years after
> the fact.
Spending your time dogging famous athletes fills what personal need for you?
Cleatarrior
Ouch ;-)
Adam Smith
> "When I die I want to go quickly and peacefully like my
> grandfather...not screaming and terrified like the passengers in his car."
KG
I don't just dog athletes. I call 'em like I see 'em, Mr. Pollyanna.
Cleatarrior
No, you seem to have a bit of an obsession with them, especially in
questioning their manhood, which was pretty odd from the get go...
KG
A prima donna is a female. A male who acts like a prima donna is
exhibiting female characteristics.
Why do you care what I think? I already validated your point of view.
I can understand why people like faRve. She's a great player.
Cleatarrior
True.
> A male who acts like a prima donna is
> exhibiting female characteristics.
There you go again...
> Why do you care what I think?
Why do you continue to post what you think?
> I already validated your point of view.
In your mind anyway.
> I can understand why people like faRve. She's a great player.
I can understand that you must be very young to engage in such petty
name-calling.
KG
>
> > A prima donna is a female.
>
> True.
>
> > A male who acts like a prima donna is
> > exhibiting female characteristics.
>
> There you go again...
>
> > Why do you care what I think?
>
> Why do you continue to post what you think?
>
> > I already validated your point of view.
>
> In your mind anyway.
>
> > I can understand why people like faRve. She's a great player.
>
> I can understand that you must be very young to engage in such petty
> name-calling.
OK, fine.
I don't roll that way, but I can understand why people like you would
like to give Brett Farve the proverbial blowjob. Despite his
egocentric, prima donna ways, he's a great player.
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 7, 2:31 pm, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>
>>> A prima donna is a female.
>> True.
>>
>>> A male who acts like a prima donna is
>>> exhibiting female characteristics.
>> There you go again...
>>
>>> Why do you care what I think?
>> Why do you continue to post what you think?
>>
>>> I already validated your point of view.
>> In your mind anyway.
>>
>>> I can understand why people like faRve. She's a great player.
>> I can understand that you must be very young to engage in such petty
>> name-calling.
>
>
>
> OK, fine.
Just sayin'...
As you get older a lot of this personal stuff washes away. Time is a
brutal solvent.
> I don't roll that way, but I can understand why people like you would
> like to give Brett Farve the proverbial blowjob. Despite his
> egocentric, prima donna ways, he's a great player.
No need for the homo slur, I have actually criticized him several times
for his perennial indecision and apparent selfishness.
But at the end of the day I think they guy just loves football so much
he can't find a way to let it go.
Funny, I don't remember anyone dogging George Blanda for lasting 26
seasons...
KG
That is such a strawman.
George Blanda wasn't a prima donna. He didn't retire and unretire, not
inform his team whether he was returning until right before the
season, skip training camp, play teams off against one another, etc.
Strawmen piss me off. Please refrain.
Cleatarrior
Really?
> George Blanda wasn't a prima donna.
I'd agree there, he was old-school.
> He didn't retire and unretire,
Like say Michael Jordan?
> not inform his team whether he was returning until right before the
> season,
Which was his right to do...
> skip training camp,
How many HOF players do you know that have found ways to skip camp?
Does the name Sonny Jurgensen ring a bell?
> play teams off against one another, etc.
Actually it was the Packers who played him off to the Jets with a
non-compete charade.
> Strawmen piss me off. Please refrain.
Facts also seem to piss you off, please start dogging Michael Jordan...
KG
>
>
> >> But at the end of the day I think they guy just loves football so much
> >> he can't find a way to let it go.
>
> >> Funny, I don't remember anyone dogging George Blanda for lasting 26
> >> seasons . . . .
>
> > That is such a strawman.
>
> Really?
>
> > George Blanda wasn't a prima donna.
>
> I'd agree there, he was old-school.
>
> > He didn't retire and unretire,
>
> Like say Michael Jordan?
>
> > not inform his team whether he was returning until right before the
> > season,
>
> Which was his right to do...
>
> > skip training camp,
>
> How many HOF players do you know that have found ways to skip camp?
>
> Does the name Sonny Jurgensen ring a bell?
>
> > play teams off against one another, etc.
>
> Actually it was the Packers who played him off to the Jets with a
> non-compete charade.
>
> > Strawmen piss me off. Please refrain.
>
> Facts also seem to piss you off, please start dogging Michael Jordan...
Jordan tarnished his legacy when he came back the last time.
I don't like Brett Farve. Matter of fact, I dislike her a lot. I can
understand why you like her? Why is it not OK for me to say that I
don't like her?
I respect your right to your opinon. The reverse isn't true.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>I don't like Brett Farve. Matter of fact, I dislike her a lot. I can
>understand why you like her? Why is it not OK for me to say that I
>don't like her?
I don't care for him - but some of the reasons people don't like him
remind me of why people didn't like John Elway.
It isn't the fact that he continued to play - but he didn't handle it
well.
I don't care for condemning a player for playing too long -
"tarnishing his legacy." Players don't owe us a legacy. And those
players who are afraid to play too long because they want to look good
have too big of egos.
It's a game. If they're having fun, great. Don't make it an ego
thing.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
KG
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:21:58 -0800 (PST), KG <kgringi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I don't like Brett Farve. Matter of fact, I dislike her a lot. I can
> >understand why you like her? Why is it not OK for me to say that I
> >don't like her?
>
> I don't care for him - but some of the reasons people don't like him
> remind me of why people didn't like John Elway.
>
> It isn't the fact that he continued to play - but he didn't handle it
> well.
>
> I don't care for condemning a player for playing too long -
> "tarnishing his legacy." Players don't owe us a legacy. And those
> players who are afraid to play too long because they want to look good
> have too big of egos.
>
> It's a game. If they're having fun, great. Don't make it an ego
> thing.
For Brett, it's most definitely an ego thing. This retirement thing
has gone on for at least 6 or 7 off-seasons now. That's why Green Bay
finally traded her. They were sick of getting jerked around.
So I don't like Brett faRve. Big fucking deal. You guys are trying to
rationalize the whole thing. Well, NEWS FLASH: there is no
rationalizing taste. Some people like pizza, some people are
vegetarians, some people like sushi. Are any of them wrong? No.
I don't like Brett faRve. I'm not wrong. Some of you love her. You're
not wrong either. It's a matter of taste.
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 8, 12:12 pm, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>>
>>>> But at the end of the day I think they guy just loves football so much
>>>> he can't find a way to let it go.
>>>> Funny, I don't remember anyone dogging George Blanda for lasting 26
>>>> seasons . . . .
>>> That is such a strawman.
>> Really?
>>
>>> George Blanda wasn't a prima donna.
>> I'd agree there, he was old-school.
>>
>>> He didn't retire and unretire,
>> Like say Michael Jordan?
>>
>>> not inform his team whether he was returning until right before the
>>> season,
>> Which was his right to do...
>>
>>> skip training camp,
>> How many HOF players do you know that have found ways to skip camp?
>>
>> Does the name Sonny Jurgensen ring a bell?
>>
>>> play teams off against one another, etc.
>> Actually it was the Packers who played him off to the Jets with a
>> non-compete charade.
>>
>>> Strawmen piss me off. Please refrain.
>> Facts also seem to piss you off, please start dogging Michael Jordan...
>
>
> Jordan tarnished his legacy when he came back the last time.
As opposed to the other time?
> I don't like Brett Farve. Matter of fact, I dislike her a lot. I can
> understand why you like her? Why is it not OK for me to say that I
> don't like her?
>
> I respect your right to your opinon. The reverse isn't true.
>
You're right, I don't respect calling an elite male athlete "her", no
question about that.
Cleatarrior
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:21:58 -0800 (PST), KG <kgrin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't like Brett Farve. Matter of fact, I dislike her a lot. I can
>> understand why you like her? Why is it not OK for me to say that I
>> don't like her?
>
>
> I don't care for him - but some of the reasons people don't like him
> remind me of why people didn't like John Elway.
>
> It isn't the fact that he continued to play - but he didn't handle it
> well.
You mean Brett, not John, right?
> I don't care for condemning a player for playing too long -
> "tarnishing his legacy." Players don't owe us a legacy. And those
> players who are afraid to play too long because they want to look good
> have too big of egos.
Barry Sanders, Tiki Baarber?
> It's a game. If they're having fun, great. Don't make it an ego
> thing.
>
Kind of hard to separate ego from athletics though...
Cleatarrior
Calling him "her" is wrong though.
KG
No it isn't. I'm the one doing that. I'm not saying that you should.
It's a free country. This is a free forum.
Cleatarrior
Yes, it is.
> I'm the one doing that.
I know.
> I'm not saying that you should.
Good.
> It's a free country.
More or less.
> This is a free forum.
And this was a free rebuttal.
Nunya Bidnits
Please pass the popcorn. Is there any more beer?
;-)
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> Calling him "her" is wrong though.
>
>
>
>No it isn't. I'm the one doing that. I'm not saying that you should.
>
>It's a free country. This is a free forum.
"Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>You're right, I don't respect calling an elite male athlete "her", no
>question about that
And I don't respect the implication behind that it is an insult to
call someone a woman.
KG
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:43:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgringi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Calling him "her" is wrong though.
>
> >No it isn't. I'm the one doing that. I'm not saying that you should.
>
> >It's a free country. This is a free forum.
>
> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>
> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
least not in the players.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". � Farve is not a female.
>>
>> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
>> feminine is an insult. � I like women myself.
>
>
>
>In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
>least not in the players.
So which of those qualities has hurt Farve's game?
Cleatarrior
Just some Keystone Light, someone made off with the Sam Adams...
Cleatarrior
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:43:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgrin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Calling him "her" is wrong though.
>>
>>
>> No it isn't. I'm the one doing that. I'm not saying that you should.
>>
>> It's a free country. This is a free forum.
>
> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>
> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
What's not to like, but please, not Medea...
Cleatarrior
> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:26:50 -0700, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block>
> wrote:
>
>> You're right, I don't respect calling an elite male athlete "her", no
>> question about that
>
> And I don't respect the implication behind that it is an insult to
> call someone a woman.
>
I suspect that Favre might take offense to the context in which it's used.
Cleatarrior
So intuition isn't a worthwhile QB quality?
Cleatarrior
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:05:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgrin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>>>
>>> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
>>> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
>>
>>
>> In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
>> least not in the players.
>
> So which of those qualities has hurt Farve's game?
>
His emotional nature?
No...that seems to work out...
KG
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:05:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgringi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>
> >> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
> >> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
>
> >In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
> >least not in the players.
>
> So which of those qualities has hurt Farve's game?
She gets away with it because she's really good. That's one of the
things I don't like about professional sports, that people can get
away with prima donna behavior as long as they're good enough.
I've had to deal with some prima donnas in my workplace. In one person
we excused it for awhile because he was so good, but in hindsight it
was a huge mistake. Now there's zero tolerance.
KG
Dude, you're reaching. Feminine intuition refers to reading people at
first sight. Doesn't have a lot to do with making reads on the field.
I'll play though. I doubt faRve has much of that quality because she
lacks its relative, empathy. If she was full of empathy she wouldn't
have alienated the front office @ GreenBay the way she did.
BTW, women who *do* have good intuition and empathy aren't prima
donnas.
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 10, 4:47 am, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:05:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgringi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>>>> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
>>>> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
>>> In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
>>> least not in the players.
>> So which of those qualities has hurt Farve's game?
>
>
>
>
> She gets away with it because she's really good. That's one of the
> things I don't like about professional sports, that people can get
> away with prima donna behavior as long as they're good enough.
Would actual W/L record be something you'd eschew, as a GM?
> I've had to deal with some prima donnas in my workplace. In one person
> we excused it for awhile because he was so good, but in hindsight it
> was a huge mistake. Now there's zero tolerance.
You must be a joy to work with...
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 10, 9:05 am, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>> KG wrote:
>>> On Dec 9, 3:53 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:43:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgringi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Calling him "her" is wrong though.
>>>>> No it isn't. I'm the one doing that. I'm not saying that you should.
>>>>> It's a free country. This is a free forum.
>>>> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>>>> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
>>>> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
>>> In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
>>> least not in the players.
>> So intuition isn't a worthwhile QB quality?
>
>
>
> Dude, you're reaching.
Am I?
> Feminine intuition refers to reading people at
> first sight. Doesn't have a lot to do with making reads on the field.
How would you know?
Isn't avoiding the pass rush a bit of an intuitive skill?
> I'll play though. I doubt faRve has much of that quality because she
> lacks its relative, empathy. If she was full of empathy she wouldn't
> have alienated the front office @ GreenBay the way she did.
Same front office that tried to force him out and then went non-compete
on him?
> BTW, women who *do* have good intuition and empathy aren't prima
> donnas.
Your expertise in all matters feminine so noted...
Nunya Bidnits
>>
>> Please pass the popcorn. Is there any more beer?
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Just some Keystone Light, someone made off with the Sam Adams...
Feh... Keystone, Rolling Rock, UA specimens... pretty much all the same.
Never mind, I guess I'll have to get up and fix myself a black and tan.
;-)
Nunya Bidnits
> Dude, you're reaching. Feminine intuition refers to reading people at
> first sight.
No, it refers to knowing exactly the worst possible moment to say "penny for
your thoughts"!
Cleatarrior
Sheesh!
The noive of some folks...
The Guac's in the fridge, long as yer up..
Cleatarrior
KG
>
> > BTW, women who *do* have good intuition and empathy aren't prima
> > donnas.
>
> Your expertise in all matters feminine so noted...
I'm a musician. The singers in our band have always been female. Back
in my previous life, I used to manage a professional women's bike
racing (road) team.
I don't claim to be an expert, but I definitely have more experience
with "herding cats" than you do. I would never do something like claim
that knowing how to evade a rush from a defensive lineman is the same
thing as feminine intuition (as you did at the top of the previous
post). Simply absurd.
KG
nice.
KG
You don't really understand what it's about.
Prima donnas get axed because they're a pain in the ass. Prima donnas
put themselves first, above everyone else.
faRve is the biggest prima donna I've ever seen in professional
football. When she wouldn't let the Packers know whether she was going
to retire or not 5 years in a row, she was putting herself above
everyone in the organization. The behavior was soooooo SELFISH.
People who put themselves above their peers in the workplace are very
difficult for their peers to stomach. People like that can only get
away with that when they have some skill that isn't easily
replaceable.
If faRve or Terrell Owens didn't have their skills, they'd be the
first ones management would cut because they wouldn't be worth the
aggravation. Green Bay did it because they had a non-prima donna
replacement. Minnesota (and the Jets) did not.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't like her. You or anyone else,
however, will never convince me to like her or any other prima donna
who puts themselves above their peers in that manner. I find that
behavior reprehensible. Go ahead and like her. I don't care. But
you're wasting your energy trying to talk me into changing my distaste
for them.
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 10, 10:53 am, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>
>>> BTW, women who *do* have good intuition and empathy aren't prima
>>> donnas.
>> Your expertise in all matters feminine so noted...
>
>
>
> I'm a musician. The singers in our band have always been female. Back
> in my previous life, I used to manage a professional women's bike
> racing (road) team.
Really!
> I don't claim to be an expert, but I definitely have more experience
> with "herding cats" than you do. I would never do something like claim
> that knowing how to evade a rush from a defensive lineman is the same
> thing as feminine intuition (as you did at the top of the previous
> post). Simply absurd.
I simply note it to be an intuitive skill, whether it's feminine or not
is up to you to decide, since to you Brett is a "she".
Remember when that oaf Parcells called terry Glenn a "she"?
Great coaching, but no SB win...
Cleatarrior
> On Dec 10, 10:51 am, Cleatarrior <nos...@xx.block> wrote:
>> KG wrote:
>>> On Dec 10, 4:47 am, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:05:18 -0800 (PST), KG <kgringi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Wrong" can mean "incorrect". Farve is not a female.
>>>>>> I will protest in the practice of thinking that calling someone
>>>>>> feminine is an insult. I like women myself.
>>>>> In the sport of football, feminine qualities are not desirable, at
>>>>> least not in the players.
>>>> So which of those qualities has hurt Farve's game?
>>> She gets away with it because she's really good. That's one of the
>>> things I don't like about professional sports, that people can get
>>> away with prima donna behavior as long as they're good enough.
>> Would actual W/L record be something you'd eschew, as a GM?
>>
>>> I've had to deal with some prima donnas in my workplace. In one person
>>> we excused it for awhile because he was so good, but in hindsight it
>>> was a huge mistake. Now there's zero tolerance.
>> You must be a joy to work with...
>
>
>
> You don't really understand what it's about.
>
> Prima donnas get axed because they're a pain in the ass. Prima donnas
> put themselves first, above everyone else.
Must have been why he got them in 2 SBs...
> faRve is the biggest prima donna I've ever seen in professional
> football. When she wouldn't let the Packers know whether she was going
> to retire or not 5 years in a row, she was putting herself above
> everyone in the organization. The behavior was soooooo SELFISH.
And we all know organizations aren't selfish..
> People who put themselves above their peers in the workplace are very
> difficult for their peers to stomach. People like that can only get
> away with that when they have some skill that isn't easily
> replaceable.
Sort of like Brett's arm and drive.
> If faRve or Terrell Owens didn't have their skills, they'd be the
> first ones management would cut because they wouldn't be worth the
> aggravation. Green Bay did it because they had a non-prima donna
> replacement. Minnesota (and the Jets) did not.
There isn't the slightest comparison between TO and Brett.
TO is a locker room cancer on any team, but no ne has ever questioned
Brett's leadership or commitment to his teammates.
> I'm not saying that you shouldn't like her. You or anyone else,
> however, will never convince me to like her or any other prima donna
> who puts themselves above their peers in that manner. I find that
> behavior reprehensible. Go ahead and like her. I don't care.
If you didn't care there'd be a whole lot less keystrokes from you on
the matter.
> But you're wasting your energy trying to talk me into changing my distaste
> for them.
I don't give a flip about your distaste for Favre; I do think your
personally insulting tone is out of order though.
Howard Brazee
<nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>> Just some Keystone Light, someone made off with the Sam Adams...
>
>Feh... Keystone, Rolling Rock, UA specimens... pretty much all the same.
>
>Never mind, I guess I'll have to get up and fix myself a black and tan.
I'm not a lager fan myself (hey, it's 2 below time!) - black and tan
has flavor.
Associated with Colorado is the beer designed for people who can't
tell if the beer is cold without a label that changes color.
KG
Personally insulting tone? Gimme a break. She's not personally in the
conversation here.
BTW, I haven't insulted you once.
I'm outta here. This is a waste of time. You love Brett faRve, I think
that she sucks. We disagree.
Cleatarrior
So if HE was, you'd use the same language?
Somehow I doubt it.
> BTW, I haven't insulted you once.
Likewise, and thank you.
You do good posts when you stick ot football.
> I'm outta here. This is a waste of time. You love Brett faRve, I think
> that she sucks. We disagree.
You get half credit.
I love his fire and arm and leadership.
I'm less sold on his indecisiveness on retiring.
Given how well he's done this season, I'm not betting against him any more.
Where would my Broncos be if we had Brett?
And that kinda is the point if this is a football discussion.
If it's just celebrity smack-down, then I'm out.
Fred Waiss, Sr.
"KG" <kgrin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:30a8c768-5d58-495d...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> wrote:
>
> >I don't like Brett Farve. Matter of fact, I dislike her a lot. I can
> >understand why you like her? Why is it not OK for me to say that I
> >don't like her?
>
> I don't care for him - but some of the reasons people don't like him
> remind me of why people didn't like John Elway.
>
> It isn't the fact that he continued to play - but he didn't handle it
> well.
>
> I don't care for condemning a player for playing too long -
> "tarnishing his legacy." Players don't owe us a legacy. And those
> players who are afraid to play too long because they want to look good
> have too big of egos.
>
> It's a game. If they're having fun, great. Don't make it an ego
> thing.
For Brett, it's most definitely an ego thing. This retirement thing
has gone on for at least 6 or 7 off-seasons now. That's why Green Bay
finally traded her. They were sick of getting jerked around.
So I don't like Brett faRve. Big fucking deal. You guys are trying to
rationalize the whole thing. Well, NEWS FLASH: there is no
rationalizing taste. Some people like pizza, some people are
vegetarians, some people like sushi. Are any of them wrong? No.
I don't like Brett faRve. I'm not wrong. Some of you love her. You're
not wrong either. It's a matter of taste.
Actually, I think for most of those replying, it isn't that you don't like
Favre, it's the childish continuing reference to gender. It's so stupid it
manages to contaminate every point you make, valid or not.
Nunya Bidnits
"Fred Waiss, Sr." <wa...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:KPKdnQC4JMnX4LjW...@centurytel.net...
But you can always count on him where there's a dead horse in need of a
beating! Remember the Cutler conniption he had that lasted three months?
Sorry, KG, I think you're ok, but it's true.
MartyB