NBA Draft '96 - who to pick?
James Burns
Well it's great to see the Griz have their own group. Now if only
we can get a little participation going.... Maybe some crossposting
to other NBA team newsgroups like the Barneys..
Anyway the main focus of my post is the upcoming draft. At this point
the discussion is kind of moot. We won't know all the underclassmen who'll
declare until the deadline of May 12th. So far the pickings are slim.
Camby's not likely to pick up an agent, which means he can drop out right
up until draft day.
There's been some mention of what the Grizzlies need in terms of
rebounding and shot blocking. As far as the draft is concerned, I'm in
full agreement with Stu Jackson that the Grizzlies should NOT draft for
position. They should definitley go for the best player. Stu Jackson
seems to think Tim Duncan would be the first pick if he declares and I
tend to agree. I think Camby will go second. The third spot will be a
toss up between Allen Iverson (if he declares and I think he will)
and Ray Allen.
I think the first choice, if Stu can manage it, should be Ray Allen. I think
he's the best player. The shot-blocking of Camby and Duncan are great, but
from what I've seen and read of Ray Allen, he has the skill and more importantly
the attitude to make it in the NBA. Tim Duncan doesn't have as good leadership
abilities as Allen. Camby isn't as physically solid as Allen. Iverson is a
too much of a ball-hog and show-boat. With what's out there so far, if
the Grizzlies can't get Allen, I think they should trade up.
I also think they should make a deal to get Steve Nash, not because he's a local
boy, but because I think he's a diamond in the rough who's potential hasn't
been recognized. Santa Clara isn't really an NCAA contender. The only reason it
got as far as it did in the playoffs this year was because of Nash. I'd even
trade Greg Anthony to get Nash.
Anyway just my $0.02.
James Burns
dcli...@wimsey.com
In article <4m425d$c...@fountain.mindlink.net>, james...@mindlink.bc.ca
(James Burns) wrote:
> Well it's great to see the Griz have their own group. Now if only
> we can get a little participation going.... Maybe some crossposting
> to other NBA team newsgroups like the Barneys..
>
> Anyway the main focus of my post is the upcoming draft. At this point
> the discussion is kind of moot. We won't know all the underclassmen who'll
> declare until the deadline of May 12th. So far the pickings are slim.
> Camby's not likely to pick up an agent, which means he can drop out right
> up until draft day.
>
> There's been some mention of what the Grizzlies need in terms of
> rebounding and shot blocking. As far as the draft is concerned, I'm in
> full agreement with Stu Jackson that the Grizzlies should NOT draft for
> position. They should definitley go for the best player. Stu Jackson
> seems to think Tim Duncan would be the first pick if he declares and I
> tend to agree. I think Camby will go second. The third spot will be a
> toss up between Allen Iverson (if he declares and I think he will)
> and Ray Allen.
Me too. Duncan, by all accounts, is NOT declaring for the draft... And he
would be the first pick, just because he's a true center. John Thompson
told the Washington Post that Iverson won't declare, but who knows.
> I think the first choice, if Stu can manage it, should be Ray Allen. I think
> he's the best player. The shot-blocking of Camby and Duncan are great, but
> from what I've seen and read of Ray Allen, he has the skill and more
> importantly the attitude to make it in the NBA. Tim Duncan doesn't have as
> good leadership abilities as Allen. Camby isn't as physically solid as Allen.
> Iverson is a too much of a ball-hog and show-boat. With what's out there so
> far, if the Grizzlies can't get Allen, I think they should trade up.
I'm afraid that Allen Iverson wouldn't like Canada... "Canada, this sucks.
I'm not signing."
Considering that Duncan probably isn't going to declare, and Iverson
hasn't yet (I don't think he will), the top 4 players in the draft would
look something like this:
Marcus Camby - Power Forward - UMass
Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
Hmmm...
> I also think they should make a deal to get Steve Nash, not because he's a
> local boy, but because I think he's a diamond in the rough who's potential
> hasn't been recognized. Santa Clara isn't really an NCAA contender. The only
> reason it got as far as it did in the playoffs this year was because of Nash.
> I'd even trade Greg Anthony to get Nash.
Actually, Steve Nash was incredibly publicised early in the NCAA season.
Sports Illustrated even did a story on him.
He looks good when he plays... As long as the Grizzlies don't trade draft
positions, it's a good idea.
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
James Burns
In article <dclinder-300...@pm079.bby.wis.net>, dcli...@wimsey.com says:
>
>Me too. Duncan, by all accounts, is NOT declaring for the draft... And he
>would be the first pick, just because he's a true center. John Thompson
>told the Washington Post that Iverson won't declare, but who knows.
Iverson just got a $130,000 car. I have my doubts he can afford the payments,
unless he plans to go for the draft.
>I'm afraid that Allen Iverson wouldn't like Canada... "Canada, this sucks.
>I'm not signing."
Fine with me. The Grizzlies need team players not primadonnas.
>Considering that Duncan probably isn't going to declare, and Iverson
>hasn't yet (I don't think he will), the top 4 players in the draft would
>look something like this:
>
>Marcus Camby - Power Forward - UMass
>Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
>Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
>John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
>
>Hmmm...
I'm iffy on Wallace. But since we're guessing about the draft, I'll make
a prediction (I don't think Duncan will declare):
Allen Iverson - Point Guard - Georgetown
Marcus Camby - Small Forward - UMass
Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
Camby doesn't have the strength to be a true Power Forward. I think he'd
fill the 3 spot much better. If he declares, Iverson will go first. He's
flashy and he has a lot of talent, but he'll have problems. I still think
Ray Allen will be the best pick of the lot, but his position will suffer
in the draft because UConn was knocked out fairly early in the NCAA playoffs.
Of course the NBA pre-draft camp could easily shake up the player positions.
I suspect Steve Nash will move up a few more spots. We'll have to wait and
see.
>Actually, Steve Nash was incredibly publicised early in the NCAA season.
>Sports Illustrated even did a story on him.
>
>He looks good when he plays... As long as the Grizzlies don't trade draft
>positions, it's a good idea.
>
>Carl Linder
>dcli...@wimsey.com
Oh, I agree. Like I said Stu Jackson is taking the right tack by drafting
the best player available. But I think he should finagle a deal to get Nash
by creating some sort of trade package with Greg Anthony. I like Greg, but
Nash will be a better fan draw for the team, and I think he will get much
better as he gains experience.
This is the Grizzlies line up I'd like to see next season:
Starters
1 - Steve Nash
2 - Ray Allen
3 - Chris King/Blue Edwards
4 - Ashraf Amaya
5 - Bryant Reeves
Backups
1 - Free Agent???
2 - Blue Edwards, Byron Scott
3 - Free Agent???
4 - Free Agent???
5 - Eric Mobley
The rest are tradable. I'd stay away from the high priced free
agent talent. Maybe look for players like Greg Anthony who are
under-valued.
James Burns
dcli...@wimsey.com
In article <4m742v$t...@fountain.mindlink.net>, james...@mindlink.bc.ca
(James Burns) wrote:
> Iverson just got a $130,000 car. I have my doubts he can afford the payments,
> unless he plans to go for the draft.
Yikes! Maybe he will declare... If he doesn't, look for the NCAA
Violations Committee to come a calling...
> I'm iffy on Wallace. But since we're guessing about the draft, I'll make
> a prediction (I don't think Duncan will declare):
>
> Allen Iverson - Point Guard - Georgetown
> Marcus Camby - Small Forward - UMass
> Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
> Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
>
> Camby doesn't have the strength to be a true Power Forward. I think he'd
> fill the 3 spot much better. If he declares, Iverson will go first. He's
> flashy and he has a lot of talent, but he'll have problems. I still think
> Ray Allen will be the best pick of the lot, but his position will suffer
> in the draft because UConn was knocked out fairly early in the NCAA playoffs.
Unless Camby Bulks up, he won't be a PF as you said. I just hope thatwe
don't draft him... He seems like a Danny Manning or even *gasp* Carlos
Rogers Type.
> Of course the NBA pre-draft camp could easily shake up the player positions.
> I suspect Steve Nash will move up a few more spots. We'll have to wait and
> see.
He's only going to one, he said in an interview on the Grizzlies Radio
Station... But still, that one is already over (the Phoenix camp), and
supposedly he did quite well in it. So did Jerome Williams of Georgetown
transfer fame.
> Oh, I agree. Like I said Stu Jackson is taking the right tack by drafting
> the best player available. But I think he should finagle a deal to get Nash
> by creating some sort of trade package with Greg Anthony. I like Greg, but
> Nash will be a better fan draw for the team, and I think he will get much
> better as he gains experience.
>
> This is the Grizzlies line up I'd like to see next season:
>
> Starters
> 1 - Steve Nash
> 2 - Ray Allen
> 3 - Chris King/Blue Edwards
> 4 - Ashraf Amaya
> 5 - Bryant Reeves
>
> Backups
> 1 - Free Agent???
> 2 - Blue Edwards, Byron Scott
> 3 - Free Agent???
> 4 - Free Agent???
> 5 - Eric Mobley
>
> The rest are tradable. I'd stay away from the high priced free
> agent talent. Maybe look for players like Greg Anthony who are
> under-valued.
I would see the Grizzlies maybe signing a Free agent Power Forward and
monving Amaya to the bench. Amaya had a great second half. After he became
the starting PF, he avergaged 7 points and 8 rebounds a game in 25
minutes.
What ever happens, I don't think that the Grizzlies should draft any of
the Power Forwards in the Draft... Camby can't play with his back to the
basket, and probably will become a Small Forward. Allen and Kittles both
are excellent players, though greatly different styles, and would be good
fits in a half court offense (the Grizz can't really run all the time with
Reeves at Center, since he never makes it downcourt in time).
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
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Joe Rousseau
>(James Burns) wrote:
>Considering that Duncan probably isn't going to declare, and Iverson
>hasn't yet (I don't think he will), the top 4 players in the draft would
>look something like this:
>
>Marcus Camby - Power Forward - UMass
>Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
>Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
>John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
>
>Hmmm...
>
Any thoughts that John Wallace might be a positive influence
on fellow Orangeman Lawrence Moten?
JR
Elliott James Ulrich
Stu Jackson must be grinning ear to ear with the events of the last week
or so. Marcus Camby and Allen Iverson declaring for the draft is very
good news for the Grizz. Although both are not complete players yet they
both will be good players in the NBA. Both are great defenders, Camby is
a 6-11 shot blocker with a decent low post game and Iverson was Big East
defensive player of the year the past two years.
: > Allen Iverson - Point Guard - Georgetown
: > Marcus Camby - Small Forward - UMass
: > Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
: > Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
I don't think he can be left out of any draft list of top picks.
: > Camby doesn't have the strength to be a true Power Forward. I think he'd
: > fill the 3 spot much better. If he declares, Iverson will go first. He's
: > flashy and he has a lot of talent, but he'll have problems. I still think
: > Ray Allen will be the best pick of the lot, but his position will suffer
: > in the draft because UConn was knocked out fairly early in the NCAA playoffs.
: Unless Camby Bulks up, he won't be a PF as you said. I just hope thatwe
: don't draft him... He seems like a Danny Manning or even *gasp* Carlos
: Rogers Type.
At this point I see It as a toss up between Iverson and Camby for the top
pick. Camby is simply to good of a low post defender to play the three
spot. He will probably bulk up (Hopefully). While Allen is probably the
most complete player, I think Camby and Iverson could be better in the
long run.
: > Oh, I agree. Like I said Stu Jackson is taking the right tack by drafting
: > the best player available. But I think he should finagle a deal to get Nash
: > by creating some sort of trade package with Greg Anthony. I like Greg, but
: > Nash will be a better fan draw for the team, and I think he will get much
: > better as he gains experience.
I would also like to see Nash playing in Vancouver. We probably would
have to trade Anthony to get him. But it will be interesting to see how
he matches against big strong point guards, remember Vaughn from Kansas
handled him easily.
: > This is the Grizzlies line up I'd like to see next season:
: >
: > Starters
: > 1 - Steve Nash
: > 2 - Ray Allen
: > 3 - Chris King/Blue Edwards
: > 4 - Ashraf Amaya
: > 5 - Bryant Reeves
1. Greg Anthony
2. Mahmoud Abdul Rauf
3. Chris King
4. Marcus Camby
5. Bryant Reeves
The reason I picked Rauf is because in an interview on ESPN he said he
can no longer play in Denver because he is hated and constantly booed
by his own fans. He says he gets the same reaction along with death
threats in many other American cities. He said he was very interested in
exploring any opportunity in Toronto or Vancouver.
: > Backups
1 - Free Agent???
2 - Lawrence Moten
3 - Blue Edwards
4 - Ashraf Amaya
5 - Eric Mobley
: What ever happens, I don't think that the Grizzlies should draft any of
: the Power Forwards in the Draft... Camby can't play with his back to the
: basket, and probably will become a Small Forward. Allen and Kittles both
: are excellent players, though greatly different styles, and would be good
: fits in a half court offense (the Grizz can't really run all the time with
: Reeves at Center, since he never makes it downcourt in time).
I think the Grizzlies should take Camby or Wallace if it works that way,
they are both great players. What Camby lacks in offensive touch he more
than makes up for on the defensive end. Reeves is great offensively but a
weak defender. I wouldn't mind seeing Allen or Iverson either but I have
question about Kittles. If we managed to get Camby we would be set for a
decade down low. Although I do think that Jackson likes Allen.
My 2 cents,
Elliott Ulrich
dcli...@wimsey.com
In article <4mb5op$6...@morgoth.sfu.ca>, eul...@sfu.ca (Elliott James
Ulrich) wrote:
> Stu Jackson must be grinning ear to ear with the events of the last week
> or so. Marcus Camby and Allen Iverson declaring for the draft is very
> good news for the Grizz. Although both are not complete players yet they
> both will be good players in the NBA. Both are great defenders, Camby is
> a 6-11 shot blocker with a decent low post game and Iverson was Big East
> defensive player of the year the past two years.
Camby can't play with his back to the basket. And he's called a Power
Forward... He really is a weak post up player offensively, and he's very
thin for a Power Forward.
> : > Allen Iverson - Point Guard - Georgetown
> : > Marcus Camby - Small Forward - UMass
> : > Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
> : > Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
> John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
> I don't think he can be left out of any draft list of top picks.
Actually, it was my Top 4 (since the Grizz can only get 2nd, 3rd or 4th
picks), since I like Kittles as a player a bit morre than Wallace.
> At this point I see It as a toss up between Iverson and Camby for the top
> pick. Camby is simply to good of a low post defender to play the three
> spot. He will probably bulk up (Hopefully). While Allen is probably the
> most complete player, I think Camby and Iverson could be better in the
> long run.
Yes... Still, Camby has to learn to play better with his back to the
basket. Allen and Kittles are both skilled shooting guards, and the
Grizzlies should pick whoever is
> have to trade Anthony to get him. But it will be interesting to see how
> he matches against big strong point guards, remember Vaughn from Kansas
> handled him easily.
Jacques Vaughn isn't really a big strong Point Guard. The Grizzlies really
have to have another point guard around if they get Nash. He isn't going
to be an impact player, most likely, and since Murdock is a Free Agent, if
Anthony gets traded, they'd have to start him. If Nash really bombs and
the Grizz have him, they may have to start Moten (Ahh!) at point.
> : > This is the Grizzlies line up I'd like to see next season:
> : >
> : > Starters
> : > 1 - Steve Nash
> : > 2 - Ray Allen
> : > 3 - Chris King/Blue Edwards
> : > 4 - Ashraf Amaya
> : > 5 - Bryant Reeves
>
> 1. Greg Anthony
> 2. Mahmoud Abdul Rauf
> 3. Chris King
> 4. Marcus Camby
> 5. Bryant Reeves
>
> The reason I picked Rauf is because in an interview on ESPN he said he
> can no longer play in Denver because he is hated and constantly booed
> by his own fans. He says he gets the same reaction along with death
> threats in many other American cities. He said he was very interested in
> exploring any opportunity in Toronto or Vancouver.
Yeah, I saw that too. How could we acquire these guys? RAuf may be a free
agent, but he may want a lot of money. Anyways, Camby will probably go
first. I think Allen or Kittles would be good choices. The Line-up would
be something like this.:
1 - Greg Anthony
2 - Allen/Kittles
3 - King/(Blue)Edwards
4 - Amaya or a FA PF
5 - Reeves
The reason I say Kittles or Allen is because they are both *very* good
half court set players. I know Reeves probably isn't going to end up as
the cornerstone of the Grizz offense a few years down the road, but he
wouldn't play nearly as good with a team like the Sonics or the Warriors,
who are always running.
That PF Free Agent thing brings me to another topic... What about a Free
Agent Power Forward? I know Dale Davis is a FA this year... Who else, who
is reasonable attainable?
> I think the Grizzlies should take Camby or Wallace if it works that way,
> they are both great players. What Camby lacks in offensive touch he more
> than makes up for on the defensive end. Reeves is great offensively but a
> weak defender. I wouldn't mind seeing Allen or Iverson either but I have
> question about Kittles. If we managed to get Camby we would be set for a
> decade down low. Although I do think that Jackson likes Allen.
I don't know, some of these players aren't going to be as good as everyone
seems to think. Remember all of those can't-miss-as-a-pro college stars of
years past? Danny Manning? Danny Ferry? etc... Actually, Manning was
pretty good, but he isn't the kind of player people expected.
If Camby can Bulk up a bit and learn to back in a bit better, that would
create a great team up front. Reeves is slow and a good offensively, while
Camby is quick and a shotblocker.
But my favorites are Allen and Kittles, still. THey both are well polished
skills, and can shoot 3s, drive, and defend.
We need to get more people to give their opinions.
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
James Burns
In article <4m9d8b$m...@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>, jrou...@intergate.bc.ca (Joe Rousseau) says:
>
>In article <dclinder-300...@pm079.bby.wis.net>, dcli...@wimsey.com says:
>>
>>In article <4m425d$c...@fountain.mindlink.net>, james...@mindlink.bc.ca
>>(James Burns) wrote:
>
>>Considering that Duncan probably isn't going to declare, and Iverson
>>hasn't yet (I don't think he will), the top 4 players in the draft would
>>look something like this:
>>
>>Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
>>Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
>>John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
>>
>>
>
>Any thoughts that John Wallace might be a positive influence
>on fellow Orangeman Lawrence Moten?
>
>
>JR
Wallace isn't a top four pick, so I doubt the Grizzlies will draft him. As
far as Poetry in Moten is concerned I don't really understand his popularity
with Grizzlies fans. Moten does have some fantastic finess moves in the
paint, but the rest of his game needs a huge amount of work. His defense is
practically non-existant, and he doesn't have enough hustle. If the Grizzlies
draft an off guard, they will probably trade Lawrence.
I've put a little more thought into what the the Grizzlies may do if they
end up with the 4th pick. From what I can tell 4th place looks like a toss
up between Kittles, and Marbury. Marbury has more potential, but he may take
time to develop. I guess the only way to decide would be through interviews
with the two of them.
James Burns
James Burns
In article <dclinder-020...@ts052.vcr.wis.net>, dcli...@wimsey.com says:
>
>In article <4mb5op$6...@morgoth.sfu.ca>, eul...@sfu.ca (Elliott James
>Ulrich) wrote:
>
>> Stu Jackson must be grinning ear to ear with the events of the last week
>> or so. Marcus Camby and Allen Iverson declaring for the draft is very
>> good news for the Grizz. Although both are not complete players yet they
>> both will be good players in the NBA. Both are great defenders, Camby is
>> a 6-11 shot blocker with a decent low post game and Iverson was Big East
>> defensive player of the year the past two years.
I hope everybody except Stu Jackson buy into the hype around Camby and
Iverson.
>> 1. Greg Anthony
>> 2. Mahmoud Abdul Rauf
>> 3. Chris King
>> 4. Marcus Camby
>> 5. Bryant Reeves
>>
>> The reason I picked Rauf is because in an interview on ESPN he said he
>> can no longer play in Denver because he is hated and constantly booed
>> by his own fans. He says he gets the same reaction along with death
>> threats in many other American cities. He said he was very interested in
>> exploring any opportunity in Toronto or Vancouver.
>
>Yeah, I saw that too. How could we acquire these guys? RAuf may be a free
>agent, but he may want a lot of money.
Rauf will be too expensive. So unless he lowers his price there isn't
a chance. At his going price of something like 6 mil a year he'd eat
up half the room under the cap. If you don't like the Barneys pray
that they pick him up.
>Anyways, Camby will probably go
>first. I think Allen or Kittles would be good choices. The Line-up would
>be something like this.:
>
>1 - Greg Anthony
>2 - Allen/Kittles
>3 - King/(Blue)Edwards
>4 - Amaya or a FA PF
>5 - Reeves
>
>The reason I say Kittles or Allen is because they are both *very* good
>half court set players. I know Reeves probably isn't going to end up as
>the cornerstone of the Grizz offense a few years down the road, but he
>wouldn't play nearly as good with a team like the Sonics or the Warriors,
>who are always running.
Actually I disagree about Reeves. He has a huge amount of developing to
do. If he works really hard to get in better condition, he'll be a major
force. It normally takes three years to see the impact a player really
has. Revees is a monster in the paint. When he really tries he can do
everything a true center can. In the last game against the Kings he even
blocked 7 shots.
Allen or Kittles will add the outside shooting along with the driving to
the basket that the Grizzlies suffered from not having. Although Chris King
showed a huge amount of improvement in those areas as the season neared the end.
But I'd rather have Nash at point.
>
>That PF Free Agent thing brings me to another topic... What about a Free
>Agent Power Forward? I know Dale Davis is a FA this year... Who else, who
>is reasonable attainable?
Can we say rebounding? The Griz need a good rebounder out at all times. Ashraf
can develop into a rebounding role-player. Seeing him play, he definitely has
the aggresivness needed, but the Griz need a free agent power forward to fill the
role when Ashraf isn't out.
The best prospects for PF free agents are Elden Campbell and Armon Gilliam.
Both are highly unlikely be picked up. Unless the Nets are really stupid
they'll pay to keep Gilliam, and Campbell may be priced out of the Griz
market.
>I don't know, some of these players aren't going to be as good as everyone
>seems to think. Remember all of those can't-miss-as-a-pro college stars of
>years past? Danny Manning? Danny Ferry? etc... Actually, Manning was
>pretty good, but he isn't the kind of player people expected.
My predictions: Camby will not be able to handle the physical intensity of
an NBA schedule in his first season. If he says healthy, he'll bloom in his
third season. Iverson will have an immediate impact if he can stay out of
trouble, and focus on basketball instead of his new wealth and fame.
Ray Allen will have an immediate impact, and Kittles will start to shine in
the second half of his rookie season. If Steve Nash is given enough minutes
he will also have an immediate impact, because he will work his ass off to
shape his game to the needs of his team.
Nuff said (for now)...
James Burns
dcli...@wimsey.com
In article <4mc949$g...@fountain.mindlink.net>, james...@mindlink.bc.ca
(James Burns) wrote:
> I hope everybody except Stu Jackson buy into the hype around Camby and
> Iverson.
I don't think he will. Iverson relies waaay too much on athleticism. I
wonder what would happen to his game if he got injured and he couldn't
dunk from the foul line anymore.
> Rauf will be too expensive. So unless he lowers his price there isn't
> a chance. At his going price of something like 6 mil a year he'd eat
> up half the room under the cap. If you don't like the Barneys pray
> that they pick him up.
Hmmm... I don't think the Raptors have 6 mil under the cap. I don't think
he'll get that much anyways. He isn't THAT good.
> Actually I disagree about Reeves. He has a huge amount of developing to
> do. If he works really hard to get in better condition, he'll be a major
> force. It normally takes three years to see the impact a player really
> has. Revees is a monster in the paint. When he really tries he can do
> everything a true center can. In the last game against the Kings he even
> blocked 7 shots.
I meant that Reeves won't be the main offensive threat. He may well be the
go to guy in a few years, but I think he won't be. From the looks of
things, he will be a big part of the offense, and there could be a decline
similar to Othella Harrignton's at Georgetown if Iverson is drafted by the
Grizz. Running a fast break like that, Reeves would constantly be at half
court.
> Allen or Kittles will add the outside shooting along with the driving to
> the basket that the Grizzlies suffered from not having. Although Chris King
> showed a huge amount of improvement in those areas as the season neared the
> end.
I know. King was able to drive a lot better, since opposing teams stopped
backing off of him. The amazing thing is that he developed his 3 point
shooting at mid season. The only problem is he's a free agent. I think the
Grizzlies will try to sign him, and he's said he wants to be back if
possible.
> Can we say rebounding? The Griz need a good rebounder out at all times. Ashraf
> can develop into a rebounding role-player. Seeing him play, he definitely has
> the aggresivness needed, but the Griz need a free agent power forward to fill
> the role when Ashraf isn't out.
Reeves is an OK defensive rebounder, but you are right... The Grizzlies
had much better success when Amaya was rebounding well.
> My predictions: Camby will not be able to handle the physical intensity of
> an NBA schedule in his first season. If he says healthy, he'll bloom in his
> third season. Iverson will have an immediate impact if he can stay out of
> trouble, and focus on basketball instead of his new wealth and fame.
>
> Ray Allen will have an immediate impact, and Kittles will start to shine in
> the second half of his rookie season. If Steve Nash is given enough minutes
> he will also have an immediate impact, because he will work his ass off to
> shape his game to the needs of his team.
That sounded about right... It's going to be a good season... I hope...
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
dcli...@wimsey.com
In article <4mc6q6$d...@fountain.mindlink.net>, james...@mindlink.bc.ca
(James Burns) wrote:
> Wallace isn't a top four pick, so I doubt the Grizzlies will draft him. As
> far as Poetry in Moten is concerned I don't really understand his popularity
> with Grizzlies fans. Moten does have some fantastic finess moves in the
> paint, but the rest of his game needs a huge amount of work. His defense is
> practically non-existant, and he doesn't have enough hustle. If the Grizzlies
> draft an off guard, they will probably trade Lawrence.
The thing is, people like seeing a guy who can do all these pretty
baseline spinning layups and stuff. Unless he works harder and picks up
his D, he probably won't have that much future in the league. He has a
problems with his game, like the no-defense part and his line drive
jumper... I odn't think he can be traded for much, and it's worth waiting
a bit on him because he is very talented.
> I've put a little more thought into what the the Grizzlies may do if they
> end up with the 4th pick. From what I can tell 4th place looks like a toss
> up between Kittles, and Marbury. Marbury has more potential, but he may take
> time to develop. I guess the only way to decide would be through interviews
> with the two of them.
Marbury seems to have abit of an attitude problem, and he should have
stayed in school longer. The Grizz probably won't end up in this position,
but they may. Too long to wait...
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
Li Liang
dcli...@wimsey.com wrote:
>In article <4mb5op$6...@morgoth.sfu.ca>, eul...@sfu.ca (Elliott James
>Ulrich) wrote:
>> Stu Jackson must be grinning ear to ear with the events of the last week
>> or so. Marcus Camby and Allen Iverson declaring for the draft is very
>> good news for the Grizz. Although both are not complete players yet they
>> both will be good players in the NBA. Both are great defenders, Camby is
>> a 6-11 shot blocker with a decent low post game and Iverson was Big East
>> defensive player of the year the past two years.
>Camby can't play with his back to the basket. And he's called a Power
>Forward... He really is a weak post up player offensively, and he's very
>thin for a Power Forward.
Reeves might teach him a thing or two about the NBA low post. I think
having Camby around might be beneficial to both Big Country and Camby.
>> : > Allen Iverson - Point Guard - Georgetown
>> : > Marcus Camby - Small Forward - UMass
>> : > Ray Allen - Shooting Guard - UConn
>> : > Kerry Kittles - Shooting Guard - Villanova
>> John Wallace - Power Forward - Syracuse
>> I don't think he can be left out of any draft list of top picks.
>Actually, it was my Top 4 (since the Grizz can only get 2nd, 3rd or 4th
>picks), since I like Kittles as a player a bit morre than Wallace.
>> At this point I see It as a toss up between Iverson and Camby for the top
>> pick. Camby is simply to good of a low post defender to play the three
>> spot. He will probably bulk up (Hopefully). While Allen is probably the
>> most complete player, I think Camby and Iverson could be better in the
>> long run.
I say, if we can't get Camby or Allen, then we pick the most talented
player and attempt to trade for Nash and someone else, perhaps a
decent backup PF.
Rauf really wouldn't be such a great addition to the Grizz.
>Yeah, I saw that too. How could we acquire these guys? RAuf may be a free
>agent, but he may want a lot of money. Anyways, Camby will probably go
>first. I think Allen or Kittles would be good choices. The Line-up would
>be something like this.:
>1 - Greg Anthony
>2 - Allen/Kittles
>3 - King/(Blue)Edwards
>4 - Amaya or a FA PF
>5 - Reeves
I say:
1-Greg Anthony
2-Blue Edwards\Moten(if he works for it)
3-Camby
4-Amaya
5-Reeves
Bench:
1-FA or Steve Nash
2-Moten
3-Edwards\King
4-FA
5-Mobley
It all depends on who and where we draft.
>The reason I say Kittles or Allen is because they are both *very* good
>half court set players. I know Reeves probably isn't going to end up as
>the cornerstone of the Grizz offense a few years down the road, but he
>wouldn't play nearly as good with a team like the Sonics or the Warriors,
>who are always running.
I agree. I'm not too big on Iverson or Marbury declaring. My top
realistic pick for the Grizz is Camby. Then Allen, Kittles, and
Wallace.
>That PF Free Agent thing brings me to another topic... What about a Free
>Agent Power Forward? I know Dale Davis is a FA this year... Who else, who
>is reasonable attainable?
How about Magic Johnson(yuk yuk)? Seriously, how about maybe
reacquiring Antonio Harvey to back up Amaya?
>> I think the Grizzlies should take Camby or Wallace if it works that way,
>> they are both great players. What Camby lacks in offensive touch he more
>> than makes up for on the defensive end. Reeves is great offensively but a
>> weak defender. I wouldn't mind seeing Allen or Iverson either but I have
>> question about Kittles. If we managed to get Camby we would be set for a
>> decade down low. Although I do think that Jackson likes Allen.
I think that Allen and Camby are the best choices.
Richard
James Burns
In article <dclinder-030...@ts031.vcr.wis.net>, dcli...@wimsey.com says:
>
>In article <4mc6q6$d...@fountain.mindlink.net>, james...@mindlink.bc.ca
>(James Burns) wrote:
>
>The thing is, people like seeing a guy who can do all these pretty
>baseline spinning layups and stuff. Unless he works harder and picks up
>his D, he probably won't have that much future in the league. He has a
>problems with his game, like the no-defense part and his line drive
>jumper... I odn't think he can be traded for much, and it's worth waiting
>a bit on him because he is very talented.
>
I suppose, but he'll need big minutes to develop and I don't see him getting
any; especially if Stu drafts an off guard. It's frustrating to see a player
with so much offensive potential totally ruin his chances on a team, because
he can't bring himself to stick to his man.
>Marbury seems to have abit of an attitude problem, and he should have
>stayed in school longer. The Grizz probably won't end up in this position,
>but they may. Too long to wait...
>
>
>Carl Linder
>dcli...@wimsey.com
Like I said interviews would help. I have to admit I don't like attitude cases.
They destroy team solidarity. Bad attitudes are one of the reasons the Sonics
have had so many problems the last few years. George Carl seems to have a
weakness for them. Luckily, I don't think Stu Jackson does.
James Burns
james...@mindlink.bc.ca
SKG
With all the latest underclassmen declaring the top six looks
something like this:
1. Marcus Camby
2. Ray Allen
3. Allen Iverson
4. Stephon Marbury
5. Eric Dampier
6. John Wallace
With Philadelphia likely to get the first pick overall, they'll pick
Camby since they don't need another 2. That would leave Allen, Iverson
or Marbury, 2 pg and a sg. Allen would be Stu Jackson's ideal choice,
since he has all the tools to be a great player and most importantly,
a good person on and off the court. Look for Ray Allen to be in a
Grizzly uniform next year
SKG
dcli...@wimsey.com
> With all the latest underclassmen declaring the top six looks
> something like this:
>
> 1. Marcus Camby
> 2. Ray Allen
> 3. Allen Iverson
> 4. Stephon Marbury
> 5. Eric Dampier
> 6. John Wallace
Actually, the top 7 would more look like this:
Marcus Camby
Ray Allen
Allen Iverson
Kerry Kittles (Marbury before him or Wallace)
John Wallace
Stephon Marbury
Eric Dampier
> With Philadelphia likely to get the first pick overall, they'll pick
> Camby since they don't need another 2. That would leave Allen, Iverson
> or Marbury, 2 pg and a sg. Allen would be Stu Jackson's ideal choice,
> since he has all the tools to be a great player and most importantly,
> a good person on and off the court. Look for Ray Allen to be in a
> Grizzly uniform next year
I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick Allen and move Stack to SF (which
he can play). They already have Coleman (he's good, even though he's an
ass.. Or is he a free agent). Anyways, They would probably pick Iverson,
since they need a Point Guard. Ruffin and Maxwell at point. Ya, right.
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
dcli...@wimsey.com
> Reeves might teach him a thing or two about the NBA low post. I think
> having Camby around might be beneficial to both Big Country and Camby.
Remeber when BC shooled Camby in last years NCAA. Camby couldn't do
anything... It was pretty funny, since UMass didn't want to double team
for sooo long.
> I say, if we can't get Camby or Allen, then we pick the most talented
> player and attempt to trade for Nash and someone else, perhaps a
> decent backup PF.
Jackson won't trade anyone for Nash. Nash isn't as good as everyone here
makes him out to be (he's good, but not like the hype), and to trade
Iverson, Marbury, Kittles, or Wallace for Nash, you would have to get a
pretty good, young player in addition to him.
> Rauf really wouldn't be such a great addition to the Grizz.
i don't think so either. He's a semi-headcase, and he's a tweener. It
would be much better to develop the team through the draft. Also, Rauf
really would seem out of place in the Grizzlies offence.
> 1-Greg Anthony
> 2-Blue Edwards\Moten(if he works for it)
> 3-Camby
> 4-Amaya
> 5-Reeves
Camby wouldn't start at 3. he would start at 4, and if he did start at 3,
and a FA power forward was signed, he wouldn't bench Ashraf. Don't get me
wrong... Amaya played well as a starter, but his future is as a hustle
rebounding role-player.
Moten won't be a regular starter next year... Hmmm...
> Bench:
>
> 1-FA or Steve Nash
> 2-Moten
> 3-Edwards\King
> 4-FA
> 5-Mobley
>
> It all depends on who and where we draft.
Yup. Since, in my opinion, if the Grizz can hold onto Reeves and Mobley,
they are set at center for years. Mobley is a pretty good backup, and we
all know about Reeves.
Nash should be a back-up his first year. Unless he totally surprises
everyone, he will be on the bench. He does have potential, but he
shouldn't have to run a team.
> I agree. I'm not too big on Iverson or Marbury declaring. My top
> realistic pick for the Grizz is Camby. Then Allen, Kittles, and
> Wallace.
Most underclassmen who come out early have a harder time with the NBA
game. The later you come out, the better it would be. Grant Hill waited,
and he was really good his rookie year. How Jason Kidd tied him for ROY
with the numbers he had (14ppg, 7apg, 40%fg, 25%3p, 60%ft), I have no
idea.
> How about Magic Johnson(yuk yuk)? Seriously, how about maybe
> reacquiring Antonio Harvey to back up Amaya?
Haha. I always liked Harvey. Especially after that full court drive that
ended in a monster jam in the first home game.
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
A Fan
dcli...@wimsey.com wrote:
>Actually, the top 7 would more look like this:
>Marcus Camby
>Ray Allen
>Allen Iverson
>Kerry Kittles (Marbury before him or Wallace)
>John Wallace
>Stephon Marbury
>Eric Dampier
Believe it or not, ESPN has Kerry Kittles rated ninth overall behind
Wallace, Marbury, Dampier and Lorenzo Wright in a draft ranking that
includes Tim Duncan, projected as the no 1. overall.
>I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick Allen and move Stack to SF (which
>he can play). They already have Coleman (he's good, even though he's an
>ass.. Or is he a free agent). Anyways, They would probably pick Iverson,
>since they need a Point Guard. Ruffin and Maxwell at point. Ya, right.
Even better, since it frees up both Camby and Allen for the Grizz if
they pick second. Here's another scenario to ponder. I know Stu is
very high on Lorenzo Wright, a big hulking 6'11 230 lb pf from
Memphis. How 'bout trading down a few spots, draft Wright and get
another solid player at sf or sg?
SKG
dcli...@wimsey.com
> Believe it or not, ESPN has Kerry Kittles rated ninth overall behind
> Wallace, Marbury, Dampier and Lorenzo Wright in a draft ranking that
> includes Tim Duncan, projected as the no 1. overall.
Lorenzen Wright. Has Dampier even declared? Tim Duncan hasn't, and
probably won't. Anyways, that's only what ESPN thinks, and I can almost
bet that Kittles will go before Wright and Marbury. Him and Wallace's
position will be dependant on the teams in their draft position.
> Even better, since it frees up both Camby and Allen for the Grizz if
> they pick second. Here's another scenario to ponder. I know Stu is
> very high on Lorenzo Wright, a big hulking 6'11 230 lb pf from
> Memphis. How 'bout trading down a few spots, draft Wright and get
> another solid player at sf or sg?
Huh? Duncan isn't declaring. He's hinted that he'll be back next year ("I
just love college."), he hasn't said anything, and there's only a few days
to declare... Even Chris King is on record saying he won't (yeah, I got
that from a Province article).
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
SKG
dcli...@wimsey.com wrote:
>In article <4misj2$5...@fountain.mindlink.net>, anon...@istar.ca (A Fan) wrote:
>> Believe it or not, ESPN has Kerry Kittles rated ninth overall behind
>> Wallace, Marbury, Dampier and Lorenzo Wright in a draft ranking that
>> includes Tim Duncan, projected as the no 1. overall.
>Lorenzen Wright. Has Dampier even declared? Tim Duncan hasn't, and
>probably won't. Anyways, that's only what ESPN thinks, and I can almost
>bet that Kittles will go before Wright and Marbury. Him and Wallace's
>position will be dependant on the teams in their draft position.
It's pretty obvious Duncan won't declare and Dampier hasn't yet
either. But ESPN's rankings are based on every player regardless of
whether they've declared or not.
While I like Kittles, I don't think he'll be that great a pro. Because
Villanova got so much exposure this year, people will tend to rate him
higher since they've watch him play more often. Remember Ed O'Bannon
from UCLA and Cherokee Parks of Duke. Two big name players from big
schools but who have thus far failed miserably in the pros. I can see
the same for KK. BTW Wright and Marbury are both underclassmen who
have far greater upside than KK..
SKG
dcli...@wimsey.com
In article <4mk07k$t...@fountain.mindlink.net>, pwgs...@mindlink.ca (SKG)
wrote:
> It's pretty obvious Duncan won't declare and Dampier hasn't yet
> either. But ESPN's rankings are based on every player regardless of
> whether they've declared or not.
>
> While I like Kittles, I don't think he'll be that great a pro. Because
> Villanova got so much exposure this year, people will tend to rate him
> higher since they've watch him play more often. Remember Ed O'Bannon
> from UCLA and Cherokee Parks of Duke. Two big name players from big
> schools but who have thus far failed miserably in the pros. I can see
> the same for KK. BTW Wright and Marbury are both underclassmen who
> have far greater upside than KK..
Kerry Kittles was thinking about declaring last year, since he was going
to be considered the second best perimiter player in the draft, if he
declared (behind Jerry Stackhouse). This year he had a much worse season,
in large part because he often had on defender guarding him exclusively,
in addition to having to deal with a 2-2 zone. Why is everyone so high on
Steve Nash? Shouldn't his value have dropped since his assist, points, and
shooting percentage reduced drastically after he was exposed to the press?
The point is, I can bet that Kittles will DEFINITELY go higher than either
Marbury or Lorenzen Wright.
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com
SKG
dcli...@wimsey.com wrote:
>In article <4mk07k$t...@fountain.mindlink.net>, pwgs...@mindlink.ca (SKG)
>wrote:
>Kerry Kittles was thinking about declaring last year, since he was going
>to be considered the second best perimiter player in the draft, if he
>declared (behind Jerry Stackhouse). This year he had a much worse season,
>in large part because he often had on defender guarding him exclusively,
>in addition to having to deal with a 2-2 zone. Why is everyone so high on
>Steve Nash? Shouldn't his value have dropped since his assist, points, and
>shooting percentage reduced drastically after he was exposed to the press?
>The point is, I can bet that Kittles will DEFINITELY go higher than either
>Marbury or Lorenzen Wright.
I believe KK made a big mistake last year when he didn't enter the
draft. His stock was much higher last year than it is this year partly
due to the familiarity factor and a nagging thigh injury I believe.
Although scouts hate to admit this, they much rather take an
underclassmen who is a year or two younger and has more upside than a
senior. That's why I think Camby, Allen, Iverson, and Marbury will go
ahead of Kittles.
Nash is a much better player than you think. In the game against
Maryland he singlehandedly shreded the Terrapins press defense with
his ball control skills. He is also a great on court leader and don't
forget he won the NCAA three point shooting contest too.
SKG
>Carl Linder
>dcli...@wimsey.com
Shane
In article <dclinder-050...@ts002.vcr.wis.net>, dcli...@wimsey.com
says...
>
>In article <4misj2$5...@fountain.mindlink.net>, anon...@istar.ca (A Fan)
wrote:
>
>> Believe it or not, ESPN has Kerry Kittles rated ninth overall behind
>> Wallace, Marbury, Dampier and Lorenzo Wright in a draft ranking that
>> includes Tim Duncan, projected as the no 1. overall.
>
>Lorenzen Wright. Has Dampier even declared? Tim Duncan hasn't, and
>probably won't. Anyways, that's only what ESPN thinks, and I can almost
>bet that Kittles will go before Wright and Marbury. Him and Wallace's
>position will be dependant on the teams in their draft position.
>
>> they pick second. Here's another scenario to ponder. I know Stu is
>> very high on Lorenzo Wright, a big hulking 6'11 230 lb pf from
>> Memphis. How 'bout trading down a few spots, draft Wright and get
>> another solid player at sf or sg?
At this stage of there development the Griz would be really Dum!! to trade
down there 1st round pick, the team needs to develop talent and the team has
to develop draft picks. tading picks is fine for teams that are trying to
fill specfic holes but the griz have holes at every postion.
dcli...@wimsey.com
And I watched that game (on TV). A lot of people consider him as good as
the tenth pick (especially on this group). I think he'll be pretty good
player, I just don't think he'll be a rookie with a big impact.
Carl Linder
dcli...@wimsey.com