ot: bronx baby bombers = cheaters
bozak
the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
unbelievable...
Laurance
bozak wrote in message ...
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
_ringer_1.html
>
>the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>unbelievable...
This part also irks me.
"Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
said."
Laurance
bozak
"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
yeah the nerve of them... everybody knows white folx dont lie... ;-)
Branden Wolner
lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
Sadly - it is true.
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bozak
"Branden Wolner" <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message news:B7B16EA6.18D61%dewey_de...@netzero.net...
> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
>
> >
> > bozak wrote in message ...
> >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
> > _ringer_1.html
> >>
> >> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >> unbelievable...
> >
> > This part also irks me.
> >
> >
> > "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
> > kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
> > said."
> >
> Sadly - it is true.
lol... thats really going to irk laurance... ;-)
Laurance
bozak wrote in message ...
>
>"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> bozak wrote in message ...
>>
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
>> _ringer_1.html
>> >
>> >the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>> >was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>> >unbelievable...
>>
>> This part also irks me.
>>
>>
>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
>> said."
>
>yeah the nerve of them... everybody knows white folx dont lie... ;-)
It's not that. I saw that kid! The reason the kid was so scrutinized was
that he looked older, was nearly a foot taller, 30 pounds heavier and
possessed skills NOT seen in little league history! Peeps were suspicious
from the *start* and that had NOTHING to do with race! I think any kid with
the aforementioned criteria, (black, white or brown) would have been
scrutinized the same.
IMO, age aside, the kid was still a ringer. He had skills and was brought
into the country, because of those skills. So much for team USA! BTW, I
didn't see any black, brown or white folx on the Japanese team!
:-)
Laurance
Laurance
Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
>in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
>lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
>
>>
>> bozak wrote in message ...
>>>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
>> _ringer_1.html
>>>
>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>>> unbelievable...
>>
>> This part also irks me.
>>
>>
>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
>> said."
>>
>Sadly - it is true.
In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
Laurance
Jason Green
I'm with Laurance here. I wasn't really paying attention to the controversy
(who really gives a damn about Little League?). But happened to be flipping
channels when I landed on the US Championship game between the Bronx and
Florida. I left it on for a minute, and as they were showing players, my
wife looked at the kid in question for about 2 seconds and said "I thought
Little League was supposed to be little kids?". Unless people from the DR
have been racially profiled as cheaters, I don't see what race has to do
with it.
Besides, baseball sucks, in any form.
-Green
> Laurance
>
>
>
Laurance
Jason Green wrote in message
>I'm with Laurance here.
Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I stole
his boyfriend! lol....
:-)
Laurance
Ironside
The youth baseball league I was associated with was originally affiliated
with Pony baseball when I first signed my son up in 1997. We switched
affiliations to little league before the 2000 season. 75% of our players are
hispanic. A major reason I switched to Little League was because there was
so much fraud taking place in Pony baseball. Pony baseball accepts photo
copies of birth certificates, little league does not. Little League requires
an original birth certificate. Pony baseball accepts birth records issued by
hospitals or churches, Little League does not. Pony baseball does not check
residence within a leagues boundaries, Little League baseball does check for
residence within a leagues boundaries. Unless a child assumes the identity
of another, it is very difficult to fraudulently misrepresent the age of a
child born in the US. Other countries do not keep records like we do here in
the US. The Phillipines had to forfeit the 1992 world series championship to
the Long Beach Little League when it was discovered that they had cheated.
Taiwan was banned from competing during the 1980s when it was discovered
that they were not observing residence requirements.
When I started requesting original birth certificates during registration in
2000, I discovered 5 sets of parents had lied about their sons' ages in
previous ears. Subsequently, I fired a manager and banned him from our
league because I found out that he conspired with 3 families and had
doctored photo copies of BCs on three players. His defense was that everyone
does it and that I was being too harsh. I felt the wrath of many hispanic
families for the past two seasons for removing such a popular coach.
In 1998, the 7 and 8 year old all-star team I managed was knocked out of the
post season by a 100% hispanic team. Those kids were a lot bigger than my
kids and played like they were a lot older too. To this day I feel that my
team was cheated by the parents and coaches of that team. They had three
boys that were already swinging full barrel bats on that team. Of course,
Pony baseball puts the burden of proof on the accuser. Little League
baseball requires each league and their governing district to prove a
players' eligibility before they can be added to an all-star roster.
Jason Green
Laurance, don't deny it, you've been trying to get me out on your boat for
quite some time now. :)
btw, when are we going? Seems to me that all the sharks are in Florida
these days, but I could be wrong.
-Green
>
> :-)
>
> Laurance
>
>
Marshall J
Jason Green <chick_he...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9mh0sp$22d38$1...@ID-80106.news.dfncis.de...
> Besides, baseball sucks, in any form.
>
yeah, but like most things, its OK if you have enough beer.
Laurance
Jason Green wrote in message <9mh1rb$28ro4$1...@ID-80106.news.dfncis.de>...
Soon, still workin' on some projects here and am not quite satisfied.
Sharks are here too. Mako tourney weekend before last netted a 369 pounder,
several 250+ pounders and about another dozen over 100 pounds.
Laurance
Jason Green
Well, I can't speak for sharks, but I can tell you that once I tasted shark,
I developed a taste for it. Say the word.
-Green
>
> Laurance
>
>
>
Peter L
Aside from SI, no one has this birth certificate yet. So hold off on
your condemnation.
Besides, how's the kid an asshole? You think he knows how old he
actually is?
JC Martin
news:B7B16EA6.18D61%dewey_de...@netzero.net...
> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
>
> >
> > bozak wrote in message ...
> >>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
> > _ringer_1.html
> >>
> >> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >> unbelievable...
> >
> > This part also irks me.
> >
> >
> > "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
Latino
> > kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
she
> > said."
> >
> Sadly - it is true.
I dunno. I saw this kid on TV and I thought there was no way this kid was
12. He was just too dominating and much older looking than the rest of the
kids on the field. I wasn't seeing color in that situation. I was seeing
something which seemed unreal.
-JC
JC Martin
on now...get real with yourself my man.
BTW, more hate shit from lardy. First he singles out gays (equating them
with homosexuals)...and now he uses the recent little league incident as an
excuse to demean Hispanics. Ignorance is bliss indeed. Classic toilet
bowel logic.
--
JC Martin
subs...@earthlink.net
"Ironside" <old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message
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JC Martin
news:TvVi7.2195$Fv3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Are you trying to sell yourself as a moral man again porn boy? *LOL*
Come
> on now...get real with yourself my man.
>
> BTW, more hate shit from lardy. First he singles out gays (equating them
> with homosexuals)...
I intended to say that "lard breath" equated gays with child molesters.
-JC
bozak
"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:HpTi7.861$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>
> bozak wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >>
> >> bozak wrote in message ...
> >>
> >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
> >> _ringer_1.html
> >> >
> >> >the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >> >was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >> >unbelievable...
> >>
> >> This part also irks me.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
> >> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
> >> said."
> >
> >yeah the nerve of them... everybody knows white folx dont lie... ;-)
>
> It's not that. I saw that kid! The reason the kid was so scrutinized was
> that he looked older, was nearly a foot taller, 30 pounds heavier and
> possessed skills NOT seen in little league history! Peeps were suspicious
> from the *start* and that had NOTHING to do with race! I think any kid with
> the aforementioned criteria, (black, white or brown) would have been
> scrutinized the same.
lol... damn laurance im on your side... no need to go JACK WHITE
on me... :-)
bozak
"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:CNTi7.926$G%4.44...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in somewhere...
bozak
"Peter L" <pet...@csus.edu> wrote in message news:b4764536.01082...@posting.google.com...
> " bozak" <bo...@onebox.com> wrote in message news:<RvRi7.1493$Fv3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a_ringer_1.html
> >
> > the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> > was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> > unbelievable...
>
> Aside from SI, no one has this birth certificate yet. So hold off on
> your condemnation.
they have to be right on something... and the guy went all the way to
the DR to find out, i doubt if they would take all of the trouble to
find out the truth just to lie... not saying that its not possible... but i
doubt it...
>
> Besides, how's the kid an asshole? You think he knows how old he
> actually is?
did you know how old you were when you were 14??? :-)
D. Gerasimatos
Ironside <old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote:
>
[snip!]
>
>In 1998, the 7 and 8 year old all-star team I managed was knocked out of the
>post season by a 100% hispanic team. Those kids were a lot bigger than my
>kids and played like they were a lot older too. To this day I feel that my
>team was cheated by the parents and coaches of that team. They had three
>boys that were already swinging full barrel bats on that team. Of course,
>Pony baseball puts the burden of proof on the accuser. Little League
>baseball requires each league and their governing district to prove a
>players' eligibility before they can be added to an all-star roster.
My nephew (who is half Hispanic, has a Hispanic surname, and looks mostly
Hispanic) is 12 years old. He is 6 feet tall and he completely obliterates
his opponents in baseball, basketball, football, and karate. Some of the
parents accuse him of being a ringer and that's very hurtful, because he
isn't even though he looks and plays like a 16 year old. I don't know
whether this kid is a ringer or whether the team in your league cheated,
but it *is* possible for some kids to develop faster than others. Just
because the other kids were bigger and better than yours doesn't mean that
they cheated. Whether they are Hispanic or not has nothing to do with it
either. Next thing you know you'll complain that a team of black kids beat
your kid's basketball team, too.
Dimitri
JC Martin
news:9mhblo$2dp5$1...@agate.berkeley.edu...
Well look at fatty's logic. He has 75% Hispanics on his team while he
played a team with 100% Hispanics. Of course he doesn't understand that you
shouldn't give two shits what color someone is on what team. But that seems
to be his primary focus. Amazing how people can inject race into non-race
issues.
-JC
Ironside
"D. Gerasimatos" <d...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
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I was there Dimitri, you weren't. I know what I saw. I had 6 hispanic kids,
4 white kids and 3 black kids on my team. Some of them were big kids too.
But not one of my kids were even close to the development of their top 3
players. The league that they were from has been caught cheating before.
They had 12 hispanic kids and none of any other race. The community they
were from had similar demographics to the one I lived in at the time. I also
know for a fact, that at least one of their kids lived in my league's
boundary, but I could not prove it, nor did I want to prove it. Last year,
my team faced a six foot twelve year-old who one-hitted us with 15 Ks. But
he didn't throw a slider, just fastballs. And he was rocked by a good
fastball hitting team on his next outing. If your nephew was born here, then
his parents can easily prove his age. But since Almonte's country of birth
has lower standards for registering live births, it's really unfair to
American born kids when a ringer slip through. This past season, my own
league submitted more than a dozen original birth certificates from states
in Mexico. The Little District had a problem with the authenticity of one of
them. Fortunately, the problem was resolved, but not without inconvenience.
Pony baseball would have never even questioned it. Of course you've never
worked in a youth sports league have you Dimitri? So you wouldn't know what
you're talking about. Pretty obvious when one reads your takes on
basketball.
JC Martin
Jeez man, you truly are an idiot. What does race have to do with the issue?
You have 13 kids on your team. One wonders why you must classify them by
race. What point are you trying to demonstrate? That Hispanics cheat and
white people don't? *L* Get real with yourself lardy.
-JC
Laurance
bozak wrote in message ...
>
Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie years
later, definately my style!
Incidently, Florence Henderson (Mrs, Brady) has a boat here called Big Flo.
I've met her. I am amazed at her beauty, for her age. A truly elegant lady
and nice too.
Laurance
Laurance
Peter L wrote in message ...
>
>Besides, how's the kid an asshole? You think he knows how old he
>actually is?
It's more likely than not that the kid knows his age, but is heavily
influenced to lie by his father.
Sad really.....
Laurance
JC Martin
>
> bozak wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:CNTi7.926$G%4.44...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >>
> >> Jason Green wrote in message
> >>
> >> >I'm with Laurance here.
> >>
> >> Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I
> stole
> >> his boyfriend! lol....
> >
> >marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in
> somewhere...
>
>
> Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie
years
> later, definately my style!
I can assure you however that Marsha has aged the best. She still looks the
same almost.
-JC
Laurance
JC Martin wrote in message ...
>"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:EZWi7.1432$G%4.72...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>>
>> bozak wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:CNTi7.926$G%4.44...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>> >>
>> >> Jason Green wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> >I'm with Laurance here.
>> >>
>> >> Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I
>> stole
>> >> his boyfriend! lol....
>> >
>> >marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in
>> somewhere...
>>
>>
>> Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie
>years
>> later, definately my style!
>
>
>I can assure you however that Marsha has aged the best. She still looks
the
>same almost.
I've seen fairly recent pics of Marsha. She does look good. I haven't seen
Jan in 15 years, so I dunno. Curious, how is it that you can assure me?
Laurance
>
>-JC
>
>
D. Gerasimatos
JC Martin <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
>
>I can assure you however that Marsha has aged the best. She still looks the
>same almost.
I know someone who recently went to traffic school with "Marsha" in the
Agoura/Calabasas area. She was instantly recognized and admitted who
she was. She is supposed to have aged well, but I still think Jan is the
pick of that sad bunch.
Dimitri
D. Gerasimatos
Ironside <old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote:
>
>I was there Dimitri, you weren't. I know what I saw.
I'm just saying that maybe you didn't see what you thought you saw.
[snip!]
>Pony baseball would have never even questioned it. Of course you've never
>worked in a youth sports league have you Dimitri? So you wouldn't know what
>you're talking about. Pretty obvious when one reads your takes on
>basketball.
I didn't realize one had to be involved in youth sports, especially Little
League, as a prerequisite for understanding basketball. For what it is
worth, my dad coached (and I played in) AYSO soccer and my brother played
not only AYSO soccer but junior level ice hockey on traveling teams based in
Minnesota and Massachusetts, which made my mother a "hockey mom". She was
even a team mother. I realize a lot of nasty things go on at that level,
including on one occasion a parent stealing from the league. However,
that and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee.
Just because this kid is big, and just because a team you faced had three
talented kids doesn't necessarily mean that there's any foul play
involved. In the end it's not supposed to be about winning and losing
anyway, is it?
Dimitri
JC Martin
By showing you a recent picture of Jan. Unfortunately I don't have one...so
I guess I can't assure you :-)
-JC
Laurance
Tiberon
What's next? A discussion over Ginger or Mary Ann?
Laurance
Tiberon wrote in message <9mhju7$3...@dispatch.concentric.net>...
>What's next? A discussion over Ginger or Mary Ann?
Nah, we can go back to religion and discuss the Seven Deadly Sins!
http://members.tripod.com/TTLF/gilligan.html
Laurance
D. Gerasimatos
Laurance <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>Fair enough! But I found her. You're right!
>
>http://nardwuar.com/brady/
Here's Marsha:
http://maureenfanclub.tripod.com/et2.jpg
Maybe it's a toss-up.
Dimitri
Warpedabit
wrote
<< What's next? A discussion over Ginger or Mary Ann? >>
Mary Ann.
Branden Wolner
lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 4:45 PM:
>
> bozak wrote in message ...
>>
>> "Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>>>
>>> bozak wrote in message ...
>>>
>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
>>> _ringer_1.html
>>>>
>>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>>>> unbelievable...
>>>
>>> This part also irks me.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
>>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
>>> said."
>>
>> yeah the nerve of them... everybody knows white folx dont lie... ;-)
>
> It's not that. I saw that kid! The reason the kid was so scrutinized was
> that he looked older, was nearly a foot taller, 30 pounds heavier and
> possessed skills NOT seen in little league history! Peeps were suspicious
> from the *start* and that had NOTHING to do with race! I think any kid with
> the aforementioned criteria, (black, white or brown) would have been
> scrutinized the same.
>
Yes. "From the start" - when 2 Staten Island coaches dropped 25K on a PI who
turned up an official birth certificate that was dated 1989. Only later has
this other birth certificate shown up - and interestingly they said on CNNSI
last night that the 2 certificates are *identical* even down to smudges and
smears in the signatures - identical except for the year. Clearly one is a
forgery.
> IMO, age aside, the kid was still a ringer. He had skills and was brought
> into the country, because of those skills. So much for team USA! BTW, I
> didn't see any black, brown or white folx on the Japanese team!
>
I gotta agree to some extent. The fact that he couldn't even speak english
bothered me a lot. I wonder how many kids on the Japanese team couldn't
speak Japanese. I also suspect that *every* team had at least 2 overage kid.
It's the "win at all costs" attitude so lauded by our Precedent.
--
Branden Wolner
dewey...@netzero.net
UMass Medical Center
Worcester, Mass.
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Branden Wolner
lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 4:45 PM:
>
> Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
>> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
>> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> bozak wrote in message ...
>>>>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
>>> _ringer_1.html
>>>>
>>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>>>> unbelievable...
>>>
>>> This part also irks me.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
>>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
>>> said."
>>>
>> Sadly - it is true.
>
> In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
>
You're free to disagree but I don't see anyone talking about the 6 foot tall
kid with 5 O'clock shadow who played for Indiana. You don't think the fact
that that kids was white plays any role in that?
Branden Wolner
chick_he...@yahoo.com wrote on 8/28/01 5:02 PM:
>
> Laurance <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:TpTi7.863$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>>
>> Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
>>> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
>>> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> bozak wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
>>>> _ringer_1.html
>>>>>
>>>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>>>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>>>>> unbelievable...
>>>>
>>>> This part also irks me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
> Latino
>>>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
> she
>>>> said."
>>>>
>>> Sadly - it is true.
>>
>> In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
>
> I'm with Laurance here. I wasn't really paying attention to the controversy
> (who really gives a damn about Little League?). But happened to be flipping
> channels when I landed on the US Championship game between the Bronx and
> Florida. I left it on for a minute, and as they were showing players, my
> wife looked at the kid in question for about 2 seconds and said "I thought
> Little League was supposed to be little kids?". Unless people from the DR
> have been racially profiled as cheaters, I don't see what race has to do
> with it.
>
The race issue has to do with the fact that there were dozens of other kids
who were taller, bigger, stronger and looked like they were shaving but
since they were white you don't hear anything about it.
Branden Wolner
old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX wrote on 8/28/01 5:09 PM:
> Little League
> baseball requires each league and their governing district to prove a
> players' eligibility before they can be added to an all-star roster.
>
And yet we see that Danny Almonte has 2 birth certificates, both signed by
the same Dominican official - but with 2 different years on them. So what
constitutes "proof". I used to tend bar and I've seen fake IDs, fake DLs,
fake BCs and fake passports. For the right price you can get any fraudulent
document you want.
Jared James Peccarelli
> bozak wrote in message ...
> >
> >> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are Latino
> >> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened," she
> >> said."
> >
> >yeah the nerve of them... everybody knows white folx dont lie... ;-)
>
> It's not that. I saw that kid! The reason the kid was so scrutinized was
> that he looked older, was nearly a foot taller, 30 pounds heavier and
> possessed skills NOT seen in little league history! Peeps were suspicious
> from the *start* and that had NOTHING to do with race! I think any kid with
> the aforementioned criteria, (black, white or brown) would have been
> scrutinized the same.
Without a doubt. Of course, blaming someone else - sore losers - or
something else - racism - is one way to avoid accepting one's
responsibility.
Come on, let's face it.
He looked older. He threw about 10mph faster than any other pitcher. He
has two separate birth certificates - the date cited on one of these makes
him 14. Using a little common sense, it's reasonable to conclude that the
kid is NOT 12 years old.
A local radio talkshow host used one word to appropriately describe the
entire affair: pathetic.
Jared
Branden Wolner
Jared James Peccarelli at jare...@csd.uwm.edu wrote on 8/29/01 10:39 AM:
Why is this reasonable? Before the Williamsburg tournament started, 2 Staten
Island coaches hired a PI and paid him 25K to dig up dirt on Almonte. He
came up with nothing. Based on this, it is equally reasonable to conclude
that some bitter, sore loser, racist manufactured one of the BCs.
FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid *is* 14. But then, I strongly
suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
needed to shave every day was also overage. It's that "win at all costs"
mentality that is ultimately to blame - not the parents or coaches - and
certainly not the kids. But when you have a prezident who was willing to
bastardize all his supposed morals just to get elected, what can you expect?
Especially when he shows up to throw out the first pitch.
> A local radio talkshow host used one word to appropriately describe the
> entire affair: pathetic.
>
I agree. It is pathetic. It's pathetic that the pressure to "win at all
costs" has gotten so high that such cheating occurs. Remember the Filipino
team that had their title stripped a few years back? And it isn't just LL -
it's happening at *every* amateur level, in every sport. "Winning isn't
everything, it's the only thing" has become our mantra.
iceberg
Maybe the millions of dollars Merrill-Lynch threw at this team has
something to do with this. The financial matters alone should have
caused a big stink even if all the kids were the exact age necessary.
Little League shouldn't be about money!
Iceberg
Branden Wolner
8/29/01 11:16 AM:
*Everything* is about money. At least it is nowadays.
iceberg
<dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>Sadly - it is true.
>--
Yeah, between picking on them and Gario Conditio the white press is
really showing their racist tendencies!
Iceberg
Jared James Peccarelli
> in article Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu,
> Jared James Peccarelli at jare...@csd.uwm.edu wrote on 8/29/01 10:39 AM:
>
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Laurance wrote:
>
> >> It's not that. I saw that kid! The reason the kid was so scrutinized was
> >> that he looked older, was nearly a foot taller, 30 pounds heavier and
> >> possessed skills NOT seen in little league history! Peeps were suspicious
> >> from the *start* and that had NOTHING to do with race! I think any kid with
> >> the aforementioned criteria, (black, white or brown) would have been
> >> scrutinized the same.
> >
> > Without a doubt. Of course, blaming someone else - sore losers - or
> > something else - racism - is one way to avoid accepting one's
> > responsibility.
> >
> > Come on, let's face it.
> >
> > He looked older. He threw about 10mph faster than any other pitcher. He
> > has two separate birth certificates - the date cited on one of these makes
> > him 14. Using a little common sense, it's reasonable to conclude that the
> > kid is NOT 12 years old.
> >
> Why is this reasonable?
Common sense.
>Before the Williamsburg tournament started, 2 Staten
> Island coaches hired a PI and paid him 25K to dig up dirt on Almonte. He
> came up with nothing. Based on this, it is equally reasonable to conclude
> that some bitter, sore loser, racist manufactured one of the BCs.
Is it plausible? Sure. However, it's even more plausible that Almonte's
dad manufactured the new birth certificate a few weeks prior to entering
the country.
> FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid *is* 14.
Exactly. Of course, let's first blame EVERYONE and EVERYTHING else before
accepting this possibility.
>But then, I strongly
> suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
> needed to shave every day was also overage.
Again, I don't disagree. That kid was a foot taller than ANY of his
teammates. In fact, he was taller than most of the coaches. He was as
tall as the head coach - I think that was his dad.
That kid - who we both agree appears suspiciously old for a 12 year old -
throws in the high 60's. Almonte throws in the high 70's. You do the
math.
>It's that "win at all costs"
> mentality that is ultimately to blame - not the parents or coaches - and
> certainly not the kids.
Bunk. The parents and coaches are responsible for that "win at all costs"
mentality. They're not merely victims of it. Come on, would YOU ever try
to manipulate the system in such a way? I really doubt it. I certainly
wouldn't do it.
Hey, I'm no stranger to the "win at all costs" mentality on even the
little league level. In the city that I grew up in, little league
baseball was (and probably still is) a big deal. Most of the coaches -
dads of players - were, for lack of a better word, crazy. They took the
game way too seriously - constantly yelling at players, getting into
fights with umpires, shouting matches with parents, etc... - and made it a
NEGATIVE experience for many kids.
Thankfully, neither of my parents were (are) like that. Unfortunately,
they were probably the exception to the rule.
> But when you have a prezident who was willing to
> bastardize all his supposed morals just to get elected, what can you expect?
> Especially when he shows up to throw out the first pitch.
Well, then I suppose I'll blame Bill Clinton for all of the immoral
actions and unethical behavior of Americans.
> > A local radio talkshow host used one word to appropriately describe the
> > entire affair: pathetic.
> >
> I agree. It is pathetic. It's pathetic that the pressure to "win at all
> costs" has gotten so high that such cheating occurs.
Are you serious? You're blaming the environment and not the people
involved? Come on, who created that environment? Personally, I don't
think the coach of the Bronx team - if Almonte IS 14 - should EVER be
allowed to coach little league baseball again. He knew what he was doing.
He apparently valued winning (at all costs) over honesty and fair play.
Yep, that's a great lesson to teach 12 year olds.
>Remember the Filipino
> team that had their title stripped a few years back?
I do. Was that due to racism as well?
> And it isn't just LL -
> it's happening at *every* amateur level, in every sport. "Winning isn't
> everything, it's the only thing" has become our mantra.
Well, that "mantra" has been incorrectly attributed to Vince Lombardi. In
fact, that's not what Lombardi even meant. Lombardi prided himself on the
success of his team. Their winning seasons. Their championships (and
Super Bowls). But, he REALLY prided himself on teaching hard work,
responsibility, and doing what's right for the right reasons.
I'll agree that such lessons are not regularly taught any more.
Jared
Jason Green
Warpedabit <warpe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No question. Ginger was a man.
-Green
bozak
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> -Green
all of the hype over a new sig and this is ALL we get???
whew, this is worse than all of the bs Y2K predictions... :-(
Jason Green
Branden Wolner <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:B7B264ED.18E54%dewey_de...@netzero.net...
> in article TpTi7.863$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 4:45 PM:
>
> >
> > Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
> >> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> >> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> bozak wrote in message ...
> >>>>
> >
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
> >>> _ringer_1.html
> >>>>
> >>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >>>> unbelievable...
> >>>
> >>> This part also irks me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
Latino
> >>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
she
> >>> said."
> >>>
> >> Sadly - it is true.
> >
> > In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
> >
> You're free to disagree but I don't see anyone talking about the 6 foot
tall
> kid with 5 O'clock shadow who played for Indiana. You don't think the fact
> that that kids was white plays any role in that?
Was he good? I think most people just hate winners, or those more
succesfull than themselves.
-Green
Laurance
bozak wrote in message
Yea! How about Cy Young or Johnny Bench?
Laurance
Jason Green
I bet if they were hurling 80mph fastballs we would have. Nobody cares
unless they are getting beat by the cheaters.
-green
Ironside
> I also suspect that *every* team had at least 2 overage kid.
>
I doubt this very seriously.
Ironside
> in article TpTi7.863$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 4:45 PM:
>
> >
> > Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
> >> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> >> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> bozak wrote in message ...
> >>>>
> >
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
> >>> _ringer_1.html
> >>>>
> >>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >>>> unbelievable...
> >>>
> >>> This part also irks me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
Latino
> >>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
she
> >>> said."
> >>>
> >> Sadly - it is true.
> >
> > In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
> >
> You're free to disagree but I don't see anyone talking about the 6 foot
tall
> kid with 5 O'clock shadow who played for Indiana. You don't think the fact
> that that kids was white plays any role in that?
>
Was he imported from Eastern Europe? The standards for kids born in the US
are much higher than those born in 3rd world nations. Pretty difficult to
perpetrate a fraud within the US.
Ironside
"Jared James Peccarelli" <jare...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu...
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Branden Wolner wrote:
>
> >But then, I strongly
> > suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
> > needed to shave every day was also overage.
>
> Again, I don't disagree. That kid was a foot taller than ANY of his
> teammates. In fact, he was taller than most of the coaches. He was as
> tall as the head coach - I think that was his dad.
>
> That kid - who we both agree appears suspiciously old for a 12 year old -
> throws in the high 60's. Almonte throws in the high 70's. You do the
> math.
Here's the team picture.
http://www.littleleague.org/series/divisions/llbb/teams/usgreatlakes/team.ht
m
I think you guys are referring to T. J. Baumet. I don't see a shadow on his
face, but I am sure that if he was older than 12 someone would have turned
him in well before they got to Williamsport. He has probably lived in
Brownsburg and gone to school with most of the other kids for many years.
>
Jared James Peccarelli
> "Jared James Peccarelli" <jare...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
>
> > throws in the high 60's. Almonte throws in the high 70's. You do the
> > math.
>
> Here's the team picture.
>
> http://www.littleleague.org/series/divisions/llbb/teams/usgreatlakes/team.ht
> m
>
> I think you guys are referring to T. J. Baumet. I don't see a shadow on his
> face, but I am sure that if he was older than 12 someone would have turned
> him in well before they got to Williamsport. He has probably lived in
> Brownsburg and gone to school with most of the other kids for many years.
Hey, I'm not claiming that Baumet IS older than 12 - simply that he has a
"freak of nature" quality to him (I mean that in a respectful, admiring
way) that elicits speculation about his age.
Regardless, my point is that as remarkable as TJ Baumet is - he's very
tall and throws in the upper 60's - Almonte is even more remarkable - he
throws in the upper 70's. Thus, speculation about his age - especially
after the discovery of TWO different birth certificates - is NOT
necessarily racially motivated or a result of sour grapes.
It's a matter of common sense. Hey, if it looks like a duck and walks
like a duck, it's probably NOT a 12 year old little league baseball
player.
Jared
Laurance
Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
>in article TpTi7.863$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
>lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 4:45 PM:
>
>>
>> Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
>>> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
>>> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> bozak wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
>>>> _ringer_1.html
>>>>>
>>>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
>>>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
>>>>> unbelievable...
>>>>
>>>> This part also irks me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
Latino
>>>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
she
>>>> said."
>>>>
>>> Sadly - it is true.
>>
>> In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
>>
>You're free to disagree but I don't see anyone talking about the 6 foot
tall
>kid with 5 O'clock shadow who played for Indiana. You don't think the fact
>that that kids was white plays any role in that?
I don't know the particulars, but it is more likely than not that any
investigation turned into a dead end or we would have heard about it.
Laurance
Laurance
D. Gerasimatos wrote in message <9mhm33$at$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>...
That's not a very flattering pic of Maureen. Let's get 'em both naked before
making a decision!
:-)
Laurance
Ironside
> It's a matter of common sense. Hey, if it looks like a duck and walks
> like a duck, it's probably NOT a 12 year old little league baseball
> player.
>
tournament was for boys born on or after Aug 1, 1988. That picture was taken
around Aug 15.
Branden Wolner
chick_he...@yahoo.com wrote on 8/29/01 12:04 PM:
I made it up. It was a rhetorical trap. Let's see how many people fell for
it. Jared already did.
Branden Wolner
MAPSONold...@NOSPAMhotmail.comMAPSON wrote on 8/29/01 12:28 PM:
Please - I made it up. Credit to you for not falling for it.
Branden Wolner
Jared James Peccarelli at jare...@csd.uwm.edu wrote on 8/29/01 11:35 AM:
The only problem with that scenario is the fact that a private investigator
paid by 2 Staten Island LL coaches failed to turn up the 1987 BC. However,
he *did* turn up the 1989 BC - he found it in the DR - and it is signed by
the proper official. Now clearly one of these is a forgery. I just think
that your willingness to jump to conclusions is very telling. I won't accuse
you of being racist - but I do believe that this another example of you
being programmed by the sensationalistic news media.
>> FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid *is* 14.
>
> Exactly. Of course, let's first blame EVERYONE and EVERYTHING else before
> accepting this possibility.
>
I am not blaming "EVERYONE and EVERYTHING else" - I am blaming the system.
>> But then, I strongly
>> suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
>> needed to shave every day was also overage.
>
> Again, I don't disagree. That kid was a foot taller than ANY of his
> teammates. In fact, he was taller than most of the coaches. He was as
> tall as the head coach - I think that was his dad.
>
Are you sure you want to be saying this Jared? Be very careful here. Are you
convinced about this? Would it help you if I told you I made this up? I
totally made this made out of my own head - I knew I'd rook you with it. I
strongly suspect that you don't know what you are talking about and that you
are simply being programmed once again by the sensationalistic news media.
Here's a great example: last night on ESPN News they showed the birth
certificate and the announcer said "in documents discovered by ESPN" - too
bad they were "discovered" by a Sports Illustrated writer. But these people
can say shit like this and people like you will fall for it.
> That kid - who we both agree appears suspiciously old for a 12 year old -
> throws in the high 60's. Almonte throws in the high 70's. You do the
> math.
>
Putting aside the fact that you don't know what you are talking about
because I made that shit up out of my head and you didn't know enough to
catch it - this still makes no sense. You are saying that anyone who is
athletically superior to his/her peers is a cheat. This smacks of sour
grapes.
>> It's that "win at all costs"
>> mentality that is ultimately to blame - not the parents or coaches - and
>> certainly not the kids.
>
> Bunk. The parents and coaches are responsible for that "win at all costs"
> mentality. They're not merely victims of it. Come on, would YOU ever try
> to manipulate the system in such a way? I really doubt it. I certainly
> wouldn't do it.
>
I certainly hope I wouldn't but I haven't been put in that situation. I do
know that I was once given a speeding ticket for doing 45 in a 25 zone and I
fought it in court despite the fact that I actually was going 45. Thing is,
the speed limit sign had been knocked down so you couldn't see it. I argued
to the judge that I didn't know it was a speed zone and he dismissed the
ticket. But I had lived in that area for years and I did know it was a speed
zone. So I lied to get off the hook. Have you never in your life done the
same?
> Hey, I'm no stranger to the "win at all costs" mentality on even the
> little league level. In the city that I grew up in, little league
> baseball was (and probably still is) a big deal. Most of the coaches -
> dads of players - were, for lack of a better word, crazy. They took the
> game way too seriously - constantly yelling at players, getting into
> fights with umpires, shouting matches with parents, etc... - and made it a
> NEGATIVE experience for many kids.
>
> Thankfully, neither of my parents were (are) like that. Unfortunately,
> they were probably the exception to the rule.
>
It is a self-propagating problem. BUt the root is not the inherent honesty
or dishonesty of these people. It is the system that puts so much value on
winning. I mean look - it's several days later and the news media *still*
harps on the 2 errors by that 3rd baseman. Why? In light of the kind of
scrutiny, is it really surprising that winning becomes everything?
>> But when you have a prezident who was willing to
>> bastardize all his supposed morals just to get elected, what can you expect?
>> Especially when he shows up to throw out the first pitch.
>
> Well, then I suppose I'll blame Bill Clinton for all of the immoral
> actions and unethical behavior of Americans.
>
You already do.
>>> A local radio talkshow host used one word to appropriately describe the
>>> entire affair: pathetic.
>>>
>> I agree. It is pathetic. It's pathetic that the pressure to "win at all
>> costs" has gotten so high that such cheating occurs.
>
> Are you serious? You're blaming the environment and not the people
> involved? Come on, who created that environment?
The corporate sponsors?
> Personally, I don't
> think the coach of the Bronx team - if Almonte IS 14 - should EVER be
> allowed to coach little league baseball again. He knew what he was doing.
> He apparently valued winning (at all costs) over honesty and fair play.
>
And here you are speaking for others yet again. How do you know what that
coach knew? Almonte's mother just yesterday went on national TV and claimed
that her kid is only 12. The documents the coach was shown say the kid is
only 12. But you, with your sour grapes and conservative-media programming,
are willing to assign blame. Guilty until proven innocent?
> Yep, that's a great lesson to teach 12 year olds.
>
Look no further than the White House. Guy was willing to "do anything" to
get there. That's your lesson. Go on TV and tell the nation what a tragedy
it would be to have the election decided in court and then go to court.
Proclaim states' rights above federal intervention and then ask federal
courts to intervene. When the president sits there as the Icon of hypocrisy
and "win at all costs" what can you expect. It's a lesson to all of us:
winning is everything and damn the cost.
>> Remember the Filipino
>> team that had their title stripped a few years back?
>
> I do. Was that due to racism as well?
>
No. It was because they cheated.
>> And it isn't just LL -
>> it's happening at *every* amateur level, in every sport. "Winning isn't
>> everything, it's the only thing" has become our mantra.
>
> Well, that "mantra" has been incorrectly attributed to Vince Lombardi. In
> fact, that's not what Lombardi even meant. Lombardi prided himself on the
> success of his team. Their winning seasons. Their championships (and
> Super Bowls). But, he REALLY prided himself on teaching hard work,
> responsibility, and doing what's right for the right reasons.
>
> I'll agree that such lessons are not regularly taught any more.
>
Not just "not regularly" but "not at all."
D. Gerasimatos
Branden Wolner <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
[snip!]
>
>FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid *is* 14. But then, I strongly
>suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
>needed to shave every day was also overage. It's that "win at all costs"
>mentality that is ultimately to blame - not the parents or coaches - and
>certainly not the kids. But when you have a prezident who was willing to
>bastardize all his supposed morals just to get elected, what can you expect?
>Especially when he shows up to throw out the first pitch.
To bring this back to basketball, how big was Tyson Chandler at age 12? I
read that he was about 6'10" at age 14. I agree that the birth certificate
thing is fishy, but a player's physical appearance and skill level do not
tell much of a story by themselves.
Dimitri
Branden Wolner
d...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU wrote on 8/29/01 1:28 PM:
Exactly. But Jared and others are perfectly happy to use just these criteria
as "proof" - which they guise as "common sense."
Jason Green
bozak <bo...@onebox.com> wrote in message
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Nah dude, I'm just trying to come up with something as succinct and stylish
as [g] that won't grow old. It takes time, man.
-Green (for now)
>
>
Ironside
"D. Gerasimatos" <d...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
news:9mj8n0$22jg$1...@agate.berkeley.edu...
> To bring this back to basketball, how big was Tyson Chandler at age 12? I
> read that he was about 6'10" at age 14. I agree that the birth certificate
> thing is fishy, but a player's physical appearance and skill level do not
> tell much of a story by themselves.
>
Agreed, but leadership skills and court awareness do. I picked out a ringer
in 1998 when I coached for the Mid-Cities Basketball league in Lakewood, CA.
It was supposed to be a 9 and under league. This one particular player was
too unselfish and made other players around him so much better, that I knew
he could not be 9 years old. When his club team submitted his BC, he was in
fact 11 years old. The league president openly apologized to me at the end
of season banquet because of the heat he allowed me to take for even
questioning it. The club team who cheated said they did it because they did
not want to make him compete against 13 year olds.
Jason Green
> in article Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu,
[snip]
>
>> Before the Williamsburg tournament started, 2 Staten
>> Island coaches hired a PI and paid him 25K to dig up dirt on Almonte. He
>> came up with nothing. Based on this, it is equally reasonable to conclude
>> that some bitter, sore loser, racist manufactured one of the BCs.
As far as I can find, it was a group of adults associated with the Staten
Island team, and it was only 10k, and he never checked the records in the
DI.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/cover/news/2001/08/27/llwseries/
http://sportsline.ft.com/servlet/GetContent/story/4235803
Quote:
"The first record, in a local office in the town of Moca, was filed by
Almonte's father, Felipe de Jesus Almonte, in 1994 and listed Almonte's date
of birth as April 7, 1987.
A second record, found in the nation's capital and also filed by Almonte's
father, shows a Danny Almonte born in the same town to the same parents two
years later. The magazine checked the parents' personal identification
numbers -- rough equivalents of a Social Security number -- to eliminate the
possibility of a coincidence and found they matched."
To me, it sounds as if the SI reporter actually turned up BOTH Birth
Certificates. If this was some racist conspiracy, why would they bother
producing both?
> The only problem with that scenario is the fact that a private
investigator
> paid by 2 Staten Island LL coaches failed to turn up the 1987 BC. However,
> he *did* turn up the 1989 BC - he found it in the DR - and it is signed by
> the proper official.
I couldn't find this information anywhere. Are you sure he found it in the
DR? The only information I can find on the original BC is that it was
provided by the team. Maybe those parents should be trying to get their 10k
back from the PI.
[snip]
One more thing: You claimed in another post that people are already
condemning this kid, the team, the father, etc. From whaty I've read in the
past 45 minutes or so, not one person (except over excitable talk show
hosts) are taking this as gospel that the kid is cheated. Every single
quote I've read has been to the extent of "the main thing is to find out
which BC is the true one" and "if it turns out they were cheating, I will be
angry".
Larry Coon
> Nah dude, I'm just trying to come up with something as succinct and stylish
> as [g] that won't grow old. It takes time, man.
Try this:
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Larry Coon
University of California
la...@assist.org
and lmc...@home.com
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Ironside
> in article BHTi7.170350$rV6.8...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com, Ironside
at
> old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX wrote on 8/28/01 5:09 PM:
>
> > Little League
> > baseball requires each league and their governing district to prove a
> > players' eligibility before they can be added to an all-star roster.
> >
> And yet we see that Danny Almonte has 2 birth certificates, both signed by
> the same Dominican official - but with 2 different years on them. So what
> constitutes "proof". I used to tend bar and I've seen fake IDs, fake DLs,
> fake BCs and fake passports. For the right price you can get any
fraudulent
> document you want.
>
...and I can walk right up to the LA County, Riverside County or Orange
County Hall of Records and pay for the truth too. I ordered a birth
certificate from the state of Hawaii over the internet this past season too.
The point is, that if a question of eligibility arises within US boundaries,
it IS the responsibility of the local LL District Administrator to go
directly to the Hall of Records and strighten it out personally.
Ironside
> in article 3b8d06d...@nntp.cts.com, iceberg at rha...@cts.com wrote
on
> 8/29/01 11:16 AM:
>
> > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:49:39 GMT, "Laurance"
> > <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Peter L wrote in message ...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Besides, how's the kid an asshole? You think he knows how old he
> >>> actually is?
> >>
> >> It's more likely than not that the kid knows his age, but is heavily
> >> influenced to lie by his father.
> >>
> >> Sad really.....
> >>
> >> Laurance
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Maybe the millions of dollars Merrill-Lynch threw at this team has
> > something to do with this. The financial matters alone should have
> > caused a big stink even if all the kids were the exact age necessary.
> > Little League shouldn't be about money!
> >
> *Everything* is about money. At least it is nowadays.
Did you see the where the state of Penna. granted Little League $3 million
to build a second stadium. Little League doubled it's WS tourney from 8 to
16 teams this year. That meant twice as many kids, parents and local fans
renting hotel rooms, eating at restuarants and spending their cash in
Williamsport. You bet it's about money. My league, netted about ten grand
last year, and that's low compared to most.
Ironside
I've got a pic of her that wouldn't be appropriate to post. :-)
Ironside
> Was he good? I think most people just hate winners, or those more
> succesfull than themselves.
>
Is that why Dimitri hates people from OC?
<bg>
D. Gerasimatos
Ironside <old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote:
>
>Is that why Dimitri hates people from OC?
><bg>
Pity, mostly.
Dimitri
Jason Green
Larry Coon <la...@assist.org> wrote in message
news:3B8D34...@assist.org...
> Jason Green wrote:
>
> > Nah dude, I'm just trying to come up with something as succinct and
stylish
> > as [g] that won't grow old. It takes time, man.
>
> Try this:
>
> The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
> http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
I am now selling the ad space available in my sig file. I'll start the
bidding at $5.
-Green
Your Name Here!
Jason Green
Ironside <old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message
news:RBaj7.189438$rV6.9...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com...
Do they call you Ironside because no matter what people say about you, it
just slides right off?
-Green
Your Name Here!
>
>
>
Branden Wolner
chick_he...@yahoo.com wrote on 8/29/01 2:26 PM:
>
> Branden Wolner <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:B7B297A8.18F68%dewey_de...@netzero.net...
>> in article Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu,
> [snip]
>>
>>> Before the Williamsburg tournament started, 2 Staten
>>> Island coaches hired a PI and paid him 25K to dig up dirt on Almonte. He
>>> came up with nothing. Based on this, it is equally reasonable to conclude
>>> that some bitter, sore loser, racist manufactured one of the BCs.
>
> As far as I can find, it was a group of adults associated with the Staten
> Island team, and it was only 10k, and he never checked the records in the
> DI.
>
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/cover/news/2001/08/27/llwseries/
>
> http://sportsline.ft.com/servlet/GetContent/story/4235803
>
> Quote:
>
> "The first record, in a local office in the town of Moca, was filed by
> Almonte's father, Felipe de Jesus Almonte, in 1994 and listed Almonte's date
> of birth as April 7, 1987.
>
> A second record, found in the nation's capital and also filed by Almonte's
> father, shows a Danny Almonte born in the same town to the same parents two
> years later. The magazine checked the parents' personal identification
> numbers -- rough equivalents of a Social Security number -- to eliminate the
> possibility of a coincidence and found they matched."
>
So here's the real question. We know the 1987 BC was filed in 1994. When was
the 1989 BC filed and why would anyone wait 7 years to file any BC?
> To me, it sounds as if the SI reporter actually turned up BOTH Birth
> Certificates. If this was some racist conspiracy, why would they bother
> producing both?
>
I believe that some form of BC was presented to LL officials when Almonte
first signed up.
>
>> The only problem with that scenario is the fact that a private
> investigator
>> paid by 2 Staten Island LL coaches failed to turn up the 1987 BC. However,
>> he *did* turn up the 1989 BC - he found it in the DR - and it is signed by
>> the proper official.
>
> I couldn't find this information anywhere. Are you sure he found it in the
> DR? The only information I can find on the original BC is that it was
> provided by the team. Maybe those parents should be trying to get their 10k
> back from the PI.
>
I could be confusing 2 articles I've read. AIR, the PI turned up a BC in the
Dominican that was dated 1989 - but maybe I am thinking of the one provided
to LL officials.
> [snip]
>
> One more thing: You claimed in another post that people are already
> condemning this kid, the team, the father, etc. From whaty I've read in the
> past 45 minutes or so, not one person (except over excitable talk show
> hosts) are taking this as gospel that the kid is cheated. Every single
> quote I've read has been to the extent of "the main thing is to find out
> which BC is the true one" and "if it turns out they were cheating, I will be
> angry".
>
Just read through this thread here, the one in asbnyy, the one rsbp, etc.
Look at Jared Pecarelli. Plenty of people have already made up their minds.
Yestersay's Boston Globe featured a column by Dan Shaugnessy (usually a
pretty good writer) who, while I will grant you he couched everything he
said in these terms ("if" etc), nevertheless he compared this to several
other scandals as if it were already proven. Last night on ESPN News they
were bragging about how they "broke" this story and at no time did they even
suggest that they could be wrong. So I don't think I went "overboard".
--
bozak
"Jason Green" <chick_he...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9mjha3$2jdbu$1...@ID-80106.news.dfncis.de...
if that was the truth then he wouldnt hate me... :-)
Branden Wolner
old_ir...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX wrote on 8/29/01 2:34 PM:
But there was apparently not a question until this SI guy went to the DR
with the express intent of finding such information. LL officials were shown
a BC that said 1989 and they took it at face value. Do you propose that
every LL league should hire PIs to investigate every kid who signs up and
was born outside the US? As I've asked so many times recently, who should
pay for that?
Jason Green
No comment on the new sig? Guess I'll go back to the drawing board.
-Green
Your Name Here!
>
>
>
Jared James Peccarelli
> in article Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu,
> Jared James Peccarelli at jare...@csd.uwm.edu wrote on 8/29/01 11:35 AM:
>
> >I won't accuse
> you of being racist - but I do believe that this another example of you
> being programmed by the sensationalistic news media.
Nice one. Apparently, you don't have the guts - or you think you're being
polite - to out and out call me a racist. Instead, you merely imply that
I am. Well, you can think and believe whatever you like - I know that you
do anyway.
I don't look for scapegoats. I don't make excuses. I certainly don't
blame my mistakes in life on "the system" or anything else outside of my
control. You do.
> >> FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid *is* 14.
> >
> > Exactly. Of course, let's first blame EVERYONE and EVERYTHING else before
> > accepting this possibility.
> >
> I am not blaming "EVERYONE and EVERYTHING else" - I am blaming the system.
I know you are. People are not responsible for their actions. It's the
system - what, capitalism? - that FORCES people to lie, cheat, and steal.
> >> But then, I strongly
> >> suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
> >> needed to shave every day was also overage.
> >
> > Again, I don't disagree. That kid was a foot taller than ANY of his
> > teammates. In fact, he was taller than most of the coaches. He was as
> > tall as the head coach - I think that was his dad.
> >
> Are you sure you want to be saying this Jared? Be very careful here.
> Are you
> convinced about this? Would it help you if I told you I made this up?
Wow, you're very clever. You made this up all by yourself, right?
http://www.littleleague.org/series/divisions/llbb/teams/usgreatlakes/tjbaumet.
htm
Well, I can't take credit for the link. Someone else posted it, however,
I'm not sure what you're claiming you made up? TJ Baumet exists. He's
6 feet tall. He's currently 13 years old.
I watched him pitch one of the first games in the LL World Series - or one
of the regional qualifiers. He was very impressive. I think he struck
out about 12 batters and gave up only 2 hits.
> I
> totally made this made out of my own head - I knew I'd rook you with it.
What, that you "strongly suspect" TJ Baumet was over the age limit? OK.
So, you state, falsely, that you suspect he's over the age. I state that
I "don't disagree." Of course, neither has evidence that he is over the
age limit. In fact, he appears to be 13 years old.
Yet, you then claim that you "got me." You're right, I thought I was
dealing with an intelligent, honest person - apparently, I was wrong.
> I
> strongly suspect that you don't know what you are talking about and that you
> are simply being programmed once again by the sensationalistic news media.
No, apparently, I made the mistake of taking you at your word. I didn't
outright refute the possibility that TJ was over the age limit yet, some
how, you equate this with me BELIEVING that he is over the age limit.
Whew, that's quite a case you got there, Columbo.
> > That kid - who we both agree appears suspiciously old for a 12 year old -
> > throws in the high 60's. Almonte throws in the high 70's. You do the
> > math.
> >
> Putting aside the fact that you don't know what you are talking about
> because I made that shit up out of my head and you didn't know enough to
> catch it - this still makes no sense.
What did you make up? Your suspicions? Sorry, but I can't read your
mind. The player, TJ Baumet, exists - another person even posted the link
to his team's web-site.
Did they fall for it too? Really, I think you're trying too hard to
cleverly trick me into a contradiction. None exists.
I believe that it's VERY possible - if not probable - that Almonte was
over the age limit during the LL World Series. This is not because of
racism. Or sour grapes. Or falling prey o tabloid-style reporting.
This is about COMMON SENSE.
>You are saying that anyone who is
> athletically superior to his/her peers is a cheat. This smacks of sour
> grapes.
That is a gross misrepresentation of my comments. And you know that.
So, are you a liar or merely being disingenuous for the hell of it?
> >> It's that "win at all costs"
> >> mentality that is ultimately to blame - not the parents or coaches - and
> >> certainly not the kids.
> >
> > Bunk. The parents and coaches are responsible for that "win at all costs"
> > mentality. They're not merely victims of it. Come on, would YOU ever try
> > to manipulate the system in such a way? I really doubt it. I certainly
> > wouldn't do it.
> >
> I certainly hope I wouldn't but I haven't been put in that situation.
What? Be "put in that situation?" If you KNOWINGLY violated the league
rules - whether you're a parent or coach - you are guilty of dishonest
behavior. No if's, and's, or but's about it.
> > Thankfully, neither of my parents were (are) like that. Unfortunately,
> > they were probably the exception to the rule.
> >
> It is a self-propagating problem. BUt the root is not the inherent honesty
> or dishonesty of these people. It is the system that puts so much value on
> winning.
Bunk. This isn't about winning, it's about money.
In an article off the AP from today, in referring to the reaction in the
Dominican Republic, it states:
"The case has stirred a frenzy in this baseball-driven country, which has
produced such greats as Sammy Sosa and Pedro Martinez. But the Dominican
Republic also is known for its poor record keeping: Nearly 25 percent of
children over the age of 5 lack proper birth certificates, according to
UNICEF.
The lack of adequate records and prospect of lucrative baseball contracts
creates an atmosphere vulnerable to fraud."
The article, in its entirety, can be found at:
The article's entitled, "Little League Pitcher May Be 14."
> > Personally, I don't
> > think the coach of the Bronx team - if Almonte IS 14 - should EVER be
> > allowed to coach little league baseball again. He knew what he was doing.
> > He apparently valued winning (at all costs) over honesty and fair play.
> >
> And here you are speaking for others yet again. How do you know what that
> coach knew? Almonte's mother just yesterday went on national TV and claimed
> that her kid is only 12. The documents the coach was shown say the kid is
> only 12. But you, with your sour grapes and conservative-media programming,
> are willing to assign blame. Guilty until proven innocent?
No. However, unlike you, I'm not an apologist and excuse-maker. I look
at the merits of the case and - using COMMON SENSE - realize that it is
highly probable that Almonte was TOO OLD for the league.
Danny's mother doesn't live here. Danny's mother gave birth to him
when she was 14 or 16 years old - depending on which BC you believe.
Danny's mother probably doesn't have a great educational background.
Finally, there is a serious financial incentive for the Almonte family to
lie about Danny's age.
For you to discount all of this - by claiming that it's a result of
racism, or a "win at all costs" mentality, or a tabloid-style news media -
is amazing.
You, sir, are amazing.
Jared
bozak
"Jason Green" <chick_he...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9mjhls$2dg0h$1...@ID-80106.news.dfncis.de...
Jason Green
Apparently, they aren't as high on reporting births in the DR as they are
here. 7 years seems pretty excessive though.
>
> > To me, it sounds as if the SI reporter actually turned up BOTH Birth
> > Certificates. If this was some racist conspiracy, why would they bother
> > producing both?
> >
> I believe that some form of BC was presented to LL officials when Almonte
> first signed up.
The article said the reporter went to the Moca hall of records as well as
the one in the capital.
>
> >
> >> The only problem with that scenario is the fact that a private
> > investigator
> >> paid by 2 Staten Island LL coaches failed to turn up the 1987 BC.
However,
> >> he *did* turn up the 1989 BC - he found it in the DR - and it is signed
by
> >> the proper official.
> >
> > I couldn't find this information anywhere. Are you sure he found it in
the
> > DR? The only information I can find on the original BC is that it was
> > provided by the team. Maybe those parents should be trying to get their
10k
> > back from the PI.
> >
> I could be confusing 2 articles I've read. AIR, the PI turned up a BC in
the
> Dominican that was dated 1989 - but maybe I am thinking of the one
provided
> to LL officials.
Like I said, I couldn't find anything. But then, I didn't look very hard.
Skimmed 6 or 7 articles. Unfortunately, the Newark Star Ledger (who broke
the original story, according to SI) doesn't have archives on their website,
so you can't go back and read the original article.
>
> > [snip]
> >
> > One more thing: You claimed in another post that people are already
> > condemning this kid, the team, the father, etc. From whaty I've read in
the
> > past 45 minutes or so, not one person (except over excitable talk show
> > hosts) are taking this as gospel that the kid is cheated. Every single
> > quote I've read has been to the extent of "the main thing is to find out
> > which BC is the true one" and "if it turns out they were cheating, I
will be
> > angry".
> >
> Just read through this thread here, the one in asbnyy, the one rsbp, etc.
> Look at Jared Pecarelli. Plenty of people have already made up their
minds.
> Yestersay's Boston Globe featured a column by Dan Shaugnessy (usually a
> pretty good writer) who, while I will grant you he couched everything he
> said in these terms ("if" etc), nevertheless he compared this to several
> other scandals as if it were already proven. Last night on ESPN News they
> were bragging about how they "broke" this story and at no time did they
even
> suggest that they could be wrong. So I don't think I went "overboard".
I'm not claiming you went overboard. I'm just saying that for most people
involved, the jury is still out until the facts are proven. However, even
you have to admit (and have, I believe) that it is more likely that the kids
dad lied about him being 12 than it is that there was some SI and ESPN
racist conspiracy to discredit the kid by creating false documents. He's
innocent until proven guilty, but I'd say the odds are probably higher that
he cheated.
-Green
Your Name Here!
bozak
"Jared James Peccarelli" <jare...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu...
>
> > in article Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu,
> > Jared James Peccarelli at jare...@csd.uwm.edu wrote on 8/29/01 11:35 AM:
> >
> > >I won't accuse
> > you of being racist - but I do believe that this another example of you
> > being programmed by the sensationalistic news media.
>
> Nice one. Apparently, you don't have the guts - or you think you're being
> polite - to out and out call me a racist. Instead, you merely imply that
> I am. Well, you can think and believe whatever you like - I know that you
> do anyway.
first he reads my mind and now branden's...
care to tell us all where chandra levy is???
Jason Green
In this case, whoever it is that thinks the kid may not be 12. I'd say that
if there is a reasonable suspicion that he's not 12, then it should be
investigated. I'm sure the person in the LL office who accepted the
paperwork never saw the kid in person, much less him throwing high 70s
changeups. I'm going to stick to the fact that it was a reasonable
investigation in this instance.
Should the LL take your proposal above, and check every non-white LL player,
then I would claim it was racist. But not in this one instance.
-Green
Your Name Here!
-(Jeff Mayner)-
>
> bozak wrote in message ...
> >
> >>
> >> Jason Green wrote in message
> >>
> >> >I'm with Laurance here.
> >>
> >> Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I
> stole
> >> his boyfriend! lol....
> >
> >marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in
> somewhere...
>
>
> Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie
years
> later, definately my style!
>
> Incidently, Florence Henderson (Mrs, Brady) has a boat here called Big
Flo.
> I've met her. I am amazed at her beauty, for her age. A truly elegant lady
> and nice too.
Yeah, her doctor's are amazed too. The miracle of Plastics! (It's a 50's
thing). :-)
Jeff
>
> Laurance
>
>
-(Jeff Mayner)-
"JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:EZWi7.1432$G%4.72...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >
> > bozak wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:CNTi7.926$G%4.44...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> > >>
> > >> Jason Green wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> >I'm with Laurance here.
> > >>
> > >> Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I
> > stole
> > >> his boyfriend! lol....
> > >
> > >marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in
> > somewhere...
> >
> >
> > Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie
> years
> > later, definately my style!
>
>
the
> same almost.
Still watchin' those taped "Fudge" episodes? :-)
Jeff
>
> -JC
>
>
-(Jeff Mayner)-
"Tiberon" <we...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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>
> Laurance <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:EZWi7.1432$G%4.72...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >
> > bozak wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:CNTi7.926$G%4.44...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> > >>
> > >> Jason Green wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> >I'm with Laurance here.
> > >>
> > >> Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I
> > stole
> > >> his boyfriend! lol....
> > >
> > >marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in
> > somewhere...
> >
> >
> > Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie
> years
> > later, definately my style!
> >
> Flo.
> > I've met her. I am amazed at her beauty, for her age. A truly elegant
lady
> > and nice too.
>
Mary Anne. Easy...
Jeff
>
>
Jared James Peccarelli
> in article 9mj8n0$22jg$1...@agate.berkeley.edu, D. Gerasimatos at
> d...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU wrote on 8/29/01 1:28 PM:
>
> > In article <B7B27A1B.18E96%dewey_de...@netzero.net>,
> > Branden Wolner <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote:
> >>
> > [snip!]
> >>
> >> FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid *is* 14. But then, I strongly
> >> suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like he
> >> needed to shave every day was also overage. It's that "win at all costs"
> >> mentality that is ultimately to blame - not the parents or coaches - and
> >> certainly not the kids. But when you have a prezident who was willing to
> >> bastardize all his supposed morals just to get elected, what can you expect?
> >> Especially when he shows up to throw out the first pitch.
> >
> >
> > To bring this back to basketball, how big was Tyson Chandler at age 12? I
> > read that he was about 6'10" at age 14. I agree that the birth certificate
> > thing is fishy, but a player's physical appearance and skill level do not
> > tell much of a story by themselves.
> >
> Exactly. But Jared and others are perfectly happy to use just these criteria
> as "proof" - which they guise as "common sense."
No, however, unlike lefties - such as you - I don't spend my time making
apologies and excuses for the actions of others. In fact, you probably
deem yourself compassionate for defending Almonte's parents and coaches.
Danny Almonte's mother doesn't live in the US. She gave birth to Danny at
the age of 14 - or 16 if you believe the other BC - in a country
notoriously poor at accurately keeping such records. Danny's publicity -
for his outstanding performances - has brought him national recognition
and the possibility of endorsements. Not to mention, future MLB
considerations. Clearly, a FINANCIAL incentive for the Almonte family to
lie is quite evident.
Oh, there's also that fact that the kid is very big and throws the ball
very fast. Now, that's not enough to draw a conclusion from - in fact, my
dad was over 6' tall in the 6th grade (I'm only 5'8" and graduated from
the 6th grade over 10 years ago) - but, taken into account with the other
aspects of the case, it is reasonable to conclude that Danny Almonte was
too old for the league.
So, now that we've determined that, make your typical left-wing
apologist/excuse-filled comments.
Jared
-(Jeff Mayner)-
>
> > Nah dude, I'm just trying to come up with something as succinct and
stylish
> > as [g] that won't grow old. It takes time, man.
>
> Try this:
>
> The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
> http://www.members.home.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
LOL. Shameless! :-)
Jeff Mayner
Burger King-Have it Your Way!
-(Jeff Mayner)-
> in article 9mh0sp$22d38$1...@ID-80106.news.dfncis.de, Jason Green at
> chick_he...@yahoo.com wrote on 8/28/01 5:02 PM:> > news:TpTi7.863$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >>
> >> Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
> >>> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> >>> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> bozak wrote in message ...
> >>>>>
> >>
> >
> >>>> _ringer_1.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >>>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >>>>> unbelievable...
> >>>>
> >>>> This part also irks me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
> > Latino
> >>>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
> > she
> >>>> said."
> >>>>
> >>> Sadly - it is true.
> >>
> >> In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
> >
> > I'm with Laurance here. I wasn't really paying attention to the
controversy
> > (who really gives a damn about Little League?). But happened to be
flipping
> > channels when I landed on the US Championship game between the Bronx and
> > Florida. I left it on for a minute, and as they were showing players,
my
> > wife looked at the kid in question for about 2 seconds and said "I
thought
> > Little League was supposed to be little kids?". Unless people from the
DR
> > have been racially profiled as cheaters, I don't see what race has to do
> > with it.
> >
> The race issue has to do with the fact that there were dozens of other
kids
> who were taller, bigger, stronger and looked like they were shaving but
> since they were white you don't hear anything about it.
I watched several games. The kid from the Bronx stood out, perhaps more for
ability than stature, but he is a biggun. That being said, my best friend
was 6' 2" in the 6th grade. Couldn't throw 80+ though. :-)
Jeff
Jason Green
Jared James Peccarelli <jare...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu...
>
> No, however, unlike lefties - such as you - I don't spend my time making
> apologies and excuses for the actions of others. In fact, you probably
> deem yourself compassionate for defending Almonte's parents and coaches.
As a left-handed person, I take offense to the above statement. All my life
I have been forced to deal with life in a right-handed world. Remember
those desks in school when you were a kid? The ones with the desktop
attached, that you would sort of slide into? They were all made for right
handed kids. Let's see you write for several hours a day with no elbow
support! Ever since then, I've been discriminated against, and attitudes
like yours simply prolong my misery.
I demand an immediate retraction.
-(Jeff Mayner)-
> in article TpTi7.863$G%4.41...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 4:45 PM:
>
> >
> > Branden Wolner wrote in message ...
> >> in article 06Si7.562$G%4.31...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at
> >> lauran...@verizon.net wrote on 8/28/01 3:16 PM:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> bozak wrote in message ...
> >>>>
> >
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krnewyork/20010828/lo/all-stars_ace_might_be_a
> >>> _ringer_1.html
> >>>>
> >>>> the kids dominican republic birth certificate says the kid
> >>>> was 14... this kid and his dad are assholes...
> >>>> unbelievable...
> >>>
> >>> This part also irks me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Dalmau said the Baby Bombers are being picked on because they are
Latino
> >>> kids from the Bronx. "If we were white, this wouldn't have happened,"
she
> >>> said."
> >>>
> >> Sadly - it is true.
> >
> > In this case, I disagree Branden. See other post for reason.
> >
tall
> kid with 5 O'clock shadow who played for Indiana. You don't think the fact
> that that kids was white plays any role in that?
Maybe because his documentation was the real thing? Why question a big kid
if it's been demonstrated that he's really 12 years old, no matter what he
looks like? They found evidence that disputes the Bronx team's
documentation. The kid's a ringer, plain and simple.
-(Jeff Mayner)-
"Ironside" <MAPSONold...@NOSPAMhotmail.comMAPSON> wrote in message
news:ov8j7.186712$rV6.9...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com...
> are much higher than those born in 3rd world nations. Pretty difficult to
> perpetrate a fraud within the US.
Having had three kids play in organized little league, I find it to be true.
My kids were put under a microscope. They even asked to see the _original_
birth cert, not a "copy".
Jeff
>
>
>
Laurance
Jared James Peccarelli wrote in message ...
>(I'm only 5'8" and graduated from
>the 6th grade over 10 years ago) -
A real Jethro Bodine!
:-)
Laurance
-(Jeff Mayner)-
> in article XF8j7.187045$rV6.9...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com, Ironside
at
> MAPSONold...@NOSPAMhotmail.comMAPSON wrote on 8/29/01 12:28 PM:
>
> >
> > "Jared James Peccarelli" <jare...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.OSF.3.96.101082...@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu...
> >> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Branden Wolner wrote:
> >>
> >>> suspect that the 6 foot tall kid on the Indiana team who looked like
he
> >>> needed to shave every day was also overage.
> >>
> >> teammates. In fact, he was taller than most of the coaches. He was as
> >> tall as the head coach - I think that was his dad.
> >>
old -
> >> throws in the high 60's. Almonte throws in the high 70's. You do the
> >> math.
> >
> >
> >
http://www.littleleague.org/series/divisions/llbb/teams/usgreatlakes/team.ht
> > m
> >
> >
> > I think you guys are referring to T. J. Baumet. I don't see a shadow on
his
> > face, but I am sure that if he was older than 12 someone would have
turned
> > him in well before they got to Williamsport. He has probably lived in
> > Brownsburg and gone to school with most of the other kids for many
years.
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> Please - I made it up. Credit to you for not falling for it.
You lying troll, you. :-)
Jared James Peccarelli
I, Jared Peccarelli, hereby retract any statement I've made that in any
way, shape, or form, unfairly casts dispersions on my left-handed
brethren.
Now, those ambidextrous - bimanual for the PC community - freaks are an
entirely different matter...
Jared
Laurance
-(Jeff Mayner)- wrote in message ...
>
>"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:EZWi7.1432$G%4.72...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>>
>> bozak wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:CNTi7.926$G%4.44...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
>> >>
>> >> Jason Green wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> >I'm with Laurance here.
>> >>
>> >> Uh Jason, bad choice of words. Now Jedi's gonna get pissed, 'cause I
>> stole
>> >> his boyfriend! lol....
>> >
>> >marsha, marsha, marsha... i had to get that brady bunch line in
>> somewhere...
>>
>>
>> Growing up, I much prefered Jan. I saw her in a bit part in some movie
>years
>> later, definately my style!
>>
>> Incidently, Florence Henderson (Mrs, Brady) has a boat here called Big
>Flo.
>> I've met her. I am amazed at her beauty, for her age. A truly elegant
lady
>> and nice too.
>
>Yeah, her doctor's are amazed too. The miracle of Plastics! (It's a 50's
>thing). :-)
I knew that, but wasn't gonna trash her.....
I do see what little Greggy Brady saw in her though!
Oops, did I just talk some trash?
Laurance
JC Martin
news:9mjha3$2jdbu$1...@ID-80106.news.dfncis.de...
>
The thing I don't get about ol' Iron is that he likes to dish it out (a
self-admitted troll at one time), but as soon as it comes back two-fold he
all of a sudden gets real respectful. Will the real Ironside please stand
up?
-JC
Laurance
-(Jeff Mayner)- wrote in message ...
>
>
>You lying troll, you. :-)
Yea, he tried to troll me first. Shame, shame, shame, And from a Doctor, no
less.
Branden, your credibility just dropped to your email addy.
lol
Laurance
bozak
"Laurance" <lauran...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Qqcj7.1041$X02.5...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
beat me to it... :-(