Jalen Rose "I don't believe in war"
s_knight8
With the Raptors heading to Washington to face the Wizards tonight, Rose was
asked whether he planned to attend any U.S. presidential inauguration
parties.
"Nope. Politricks is not for me. I don't believe in war," Rose said.
However, Rose donated money to John Edwards' campaign for the presidential
primary.
"Maybe I just didn't want Bush to win," Rose said. "I would have voted for
you (a reporter) if you were running. Can't be any worse than what we've
got."
bryguy
Another guy (along with Nash) who I now respect.
Douglas
> was
> asked whether he planned to attend any U.S. presidential inauguration
> parties.
>
> "Nope. Politricks is not for me. I don't believe in war," Rose said.
>
> However, Rose donated money to John Edwards' campaign for the presidential
> primary.
>
> "Maybe I just didn't want Bush to win," Rose said. "I would have voted for
> you (a reporter) if you were running. Can't be any worse than what we've
> got."
It's always nice when you can live in a country where you are filthy rich
and could give two shits less
about any Iraqi who sits year in and year out in missery in some forsaken
country with an evil tyrant
at the helm.. Thats one of the things I love about America.. While some rich
fuck name Jalen Rose
is enjoying his love fest of baller chasing ass, nice hotels, fame and
fortune.. he would rather us just
not free anyone for his sake.. phew...
Douglas
"bryguy" <bryg...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> s_knight8 wrote:
>> http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2005/01/21/905630-sun.html
> Another guy (along with Nash) who I now respect.
People who are against liberating people get my support.. I wish
we could just pull out and put Saddam back in power so he can
continue starving the Shiite Muslims to death...
Unabogie
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Gee, and I thought he was just against shredding tiny children with
daisy-cutter bombs so even richer, more pampered people could enjoy a partay
in DC while soldiers get their arms blown off in ill equipped humvees so oil
companies can get rich and the US can build bases in the Middle East.
Silly me.
Or maybe he is just against the idea that you liberate people by killing
them?
Douglas
"Unabogie" <unab...@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> daisy-cutter bombs so even richer, more pampered people could enjoy a
> partay in DC while soldiers get their arms blown off in ill equipped
> humvees so oil companies can get rich and the US can build bases in the
> Middle East.
>
> Silly me.
>
> Or maybe he is just against the idea that you liberate people by killing
> them?
Liberation comes at a cost.. 20 thousand Shiite Muslim Children were dying
of starvation alone each year in Iraq.
Many people speculated it was oil for food that was causing it.. but the
Sunnis had enough food to stock pile for 90 days
and we found warehouses full of molding food upon entering heavily populate
Shiite areas. I should know because I was there.
As for oil.. sure the resources played a roll... They would be stupid not
too..
All of that is entirely beside the point. Jalen Rose is a privelaged man who
simply knows that by history he is a Democrat and that evil country bumpkin
Bush just must be stopped because someone convinced him that Bush was
Hitler. I find it amusing mostly... Then again most people don't deal in
logic...Let's be thankful for one thing. Jalen Rose has had the privelage to
get in violent fights in College.. one in the NBA.. and too take money
illegaly while in College... and thats what the American dream is all
about.. Damn "the man" at the top.. cause I am "bad as I wanna be".. yawn!
The Blue
>Gee, and I thought he was just against shredding tiny children with
>daisy-cutter bombs so even richer, more pampered people could enjoy a partay
>in DC while soldiers get their arms blown off in ill equipped humvees so oil
>companies can get rich and the US can build bases in the Middle East.
>
>Silly me.
>
>Or maybe he is just against the idea that you liberate people by killing
>them?
>
>
the whole world can just hold hand like cola commercial. We need a
military base in the middle east. our allies over there hate us plain
and simple. they just don't want to piss off their biggest customer. We
have iran getting nukes and god know what other country may land a black
market nuke or two. We need to be able to take them out before they do
anything crazy. WELL since jalen rose does not believe in war let's just
become france; let which ever country wants to just march in and take us
over.
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Sharing is caring Screw the RIAA
Unabogie
--
"Douglas" <do...@anon.com> wrote in message
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What are you talking about? You have no issue with fighting. You love
violence. It's your preferred method of conflict resolution. And your boy
Bush has killed more people than Saddam Hussein ever did. But what could be
different? Why would you care if Rose got in fights in College? Did he
brand human beings like Bush? Harm animals like Bush?
Oh, I know. Jalen Rose is black, and Bush is white. Hence, your
attribution to him as using "ebonics". I forgot that Bush was the paragon
of grammer.
aluckyguess
high price to pay for peace. It worked in Germany hopefully it will work in
Iraq.news:hvydnUhGVLp...@comcast.com...
Blazer Fan Dan
> "bryguy" <bryg...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:zl9Id.1002$ne2...@fe04.lga...
>> s_knight8 wrote:
>>> http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2005/01/21/905630-
>>> sun.html Another guy (along with Nash) who I now respect.
>
> People who are against liberating people get my support.. I wish
> we could just pull out and put Saddam back in power so he can
> continue starving the Shiite Muslims to death...
because god knows thats the only other option..
--
Can't talk, eating fried pie. Experiencing nirvana.
Douglas
Douglas
> What are you talking about? You have no issue with fighting. You love
> violence. It's your preferred method of conflict resolution. And your
> boy Bush has killed more people than Saddam Hussein ever did. But what
> could be different? Why would you care if Rose got in fights in College?
> Did he brand human beings like Bush? Harm animals like Bush?
My boy Bush? Need I remind you that I agreed whole heartedly with President
Clintons bombing
of Iraq and when he signed the Iraqi Liberation Act calling for the removal
of the Baath Party?
Need I remind you that I agreed with John Kerry when in 2001 he said "Iraq
may not be the war
on terror itself but is crucial to the outcome on the war on terror?"
> Oh, I know. Jalen Rose is black, and Bush is white. Hence, your
> attribution to him as using "ebonics". I forgot that Bush was the paragon
> of grammer.
I am half white and half black, and your point? Also Bush would know how to
spell grammar!
Douglas
"Douglas" <do...@anon.com> wrote in message
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Douglas
> It must be nice to think if we just, leave the middle east people alone
> the whole world can just hold hand like cola commercial. We need a
> military base in the middle east. our allies over there hate us plain and
> simple. they just don't want to piss off their biggest customer. We have
> iran getting nukes and god know what other country may land a black market
> nuke or two. We need to be able to take them out before they do anything
> crazy. WELL since jalen rose does not believe in war let's just become
> france; let which ever country wants to just march in and take us over.
>
> --
> Sharing is caring Screw the RIAA
Exactly
Douglas
"aluckyguess" <n...@no.com> wrote in message
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>I guess he thinks if we hold there hands peace will come. There is always a
>high price to pay for peace. It worked in Germany hopefully it will work in
>Iraq.
Some people believe that years of resolutions and the UN watching 20
thousand shiite Muslim Children die a year of starvation was the way.. but
that ideal is fueled by their liberal thoughts and feelings... I agree with
you entirely... It also worked in South Korea, Japan, Phillipines, and many
European countries...
Granville Waiters' Ghost
The Blue <mari...@monmouth.com> wrote:
> It must be nice to think if we just, leave the middle east people alone
> the whole world can just hold hand like cola commercial. We need a
> military base in the middle east.
And why weren't the ones in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar,
etc etc etc not enough?
Jeremey Wilson
> Exactly
So what unit are you guys in?
--
Jeremey
Sébastien Poitras
"The Blue" <mari...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
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You're a funny one! If you must know, France has waged much more wars,
killed much more brown people and done much more horrible things in other
countries, than America will probably ever do. Of course, Americans only
know about the wars they were involved in. What was I thinking?
The Blue
igor eduardo küpfer
<mari...@monmouth.com> wrote:
>Did you read what i wrote "they hate us" refers to the saudis, every
>time we plan on attacking any nation over there they give us some much
>grief.
Yeah, it's a pain. I know how you feel: there's this guy, a convicted
pedophile, and every time he goes down to the park -- you know, just to play
on the swings -- the parents of the kids there always give him grief. Can't
they just see that he only wants what's best for the kids?
--
all the best,
ed
Epitome:
Nice kid, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.
NBA Stats:
http://members.rogers.com/edkupfer/nba/nba_2005.htm
Email:
edkupfer. It's a gmail addy.
Red Schism
I hope this isn't another one of those "If you support the war, you
have to go to the front line" BS arguments.
Jeremey Wilson
"Red Schism" <reds...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I hope this isn't another one of those "If you support the war, you
> have to go to the front line" BS arguments.
Of course not. If you support the war, all you have to do is smile cruelly, and
cheer.
--
Jeremey
Jeremey Wilson
"igor eduardo küpfer" <edku...@example.com> wrote in message
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> In rec.sport.basketball.pro on Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:57:16 -0500 The Blue
> <mari...@monmouth.com> wrote:
>
> >Did you read what i wrote "they hate us" refers to the saudis, every
> >time we plan on attacking any nation over there they give us some much
> >grief.
>
> Yeah, it's a pain. I know how you feel: there's this guy, a convicted
> pedophile, and every time he goes down to the park -- you know, just to play
> on the swings -- the parents of the kids there always give him grief. Can't
> they just see that he only wants what's best for the kids?
If we make the pervert the warden of the juvie where all the parents work, I
think we're 3/4 of the way through having a parable written.
--
Jeremey
igor eduardo küpfer
Wilson" <noaddre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hell, it's my imagination -- consider it done!
But we're still missing something: France. How do they fit in?
Jeremey Wilson
> In rec.sport.basketball.pro on Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:47:37 GMT "Jeremey
> Wilson" <noaddre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >If we make the pervert the warden of the juvie where all the parents work, I
> >think we're 3/4 of the way through having a parable written.
>
> Hell, it's my imagination -- consider it done!
>
> But we're still missing something: France. How do they fit in?
They can be Cardinal Richelieu. You should write it in verse.
--
Jeremey
igor eduardo küpfer
Wilson" <noaddre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"igor eduardo küpfer" <edku...@example.com> wrote in message
>news:jpq2v0ljjpn9o6n4o...@4ax.com...
>> In rec.sport.basketball.pro on Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:47:37 GMT "Jeremey
>> Wilson" <noaddre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >If we make the pervert the warden of the juvie where all the parents work, I
>> >think we're 3/4 of the way through having a parable written.
>>
>> Hell, it's my imagination -- consider it done!
>>
>> But we're still missing something: France. How do they fit in?
>
>They can be Cardinal Richelieu. You should write it in verse.
I did, but accidentally deleted it before I got the chance to post it. The
only fragment I have left is the final lines:
...A three hour tour.
A three hour tour.
The world has lost a masterpiece, I tell you.
Douglas
"Red Schism" <reds...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
Hmm, well I spent 8 months in Iraq. I supported the war befor, during, and
after.
mirak
The problem is not what, but how.
mirak
> "Unabogie" <unab...@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>"Douglas" <do...@anon.com> wrote in message
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>>Gee, and I thought he was just against shredding tiny children with
>>daisy-cutter bombs so even richer, more pampered people could enjoy a
>>partay in DC while soldiers get their arms blown off in ill equipped
>>humvees so oil companies can get rich and the US can build bases in the
>>Middle East.
>>
>>Silly me.
>>
>>Or maybe he is just against the idea that you liberate people by killing
>>them?
>
>
> Liberation comes at a cost.. 20 thousand Shiite Muslim Children were dying
> of starvation alone each year in Iraq.
Yes, because of the embargo.
They did and embargo on Irak in hope that the people would rebel against
Sadam.
They couldn't.
Embargo was useless and killed more people than war did.
mirak
You are just insulting the resistance.
Some people though they could win something by joining the nazis. That's
human nature.
I remind you germany is frontier to france and both countries are the
size of a US state. You seem to just not figure out that an invasion
from a frontier country is really fast.
You are pretexting that you have afraid of iran nukes.
They could blast countries near them but could not reach the US.
Stop believe what you see on TV.
Really.
From outside the US what we can see is two class of people, the one
that believe what TV says and the ones who don't or doubt.
Douglas
"mirak" <mirak.sp...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> Douglas wrote:
> Yes, because of the embargo.
> They did and embargo on Irak in hope that the people would rebel against
> Sadam.
> They couldn't.
> Embargo was useless and killed more people than war did.
Actually that was proven to be mostly false and alot of people don't know
that. Oil for Food was working fine. We found warehouses of food upon
entering Iraq that had food stocked in them from all the way back to 1998
just sitting their full of mold. Sunni Muslims (Saddams largest supporters)
were stock piling some 90 days worth of food before the war. Plus before the
embargo was ever put in place Saddam was basically doing the same thing by
cutting off water supplies and food supplies to Kurdish and Shiite areas.
The UN failed Iraqis and should have just let the coalition take out the
remaining guard in Iraq in 91... We would even be having these problems
today if the UN wouldnt have told Bush 41 to pull out.
mirak
By the way the french governement didn't surrendered.
Douglas
> By the way the french governement didn't surrendered.
Technically, they didn't even put up a fight to have to surrender...
http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/hitler-eiffel-tower.jpg Ask Hitler in
this picture!
One of Frances most treasured pictures of all time... Just imagine Hitler
standing infront of
the statue of liberty posing with his buddies!
Douglas
http://members.aol.com/nfrari/frenchhistory.jpg
"mirak" <mirak.sp...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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Granville Waiters' Ghost
wrote:
> Technically, they didn't even put up a fight to have to surrender...
> http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/hitler-eiffel-tower.jpg Ask Hitler in
> this picture!
> One of Frances most treasured pictures of all time... Just imagine Hitler
> standing infront of
> the statue of liberty posing with his buddies!
Yeah, it sure pissed of the thousands that joined the resistance
and were horribly tortured and murdered by the Gestapo. Pretty
funny, eh?
Capt Jim
RIGHT...They fight with their feet and fuck with their face!!
Douglas
"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> Yeah, it sure pissed of the thousands that joined the resistance
> and were horribly tortured and murdered by the Gestapo. Pretty
> funny, eh?
I don't think you are smart enough to understand sarcasim but it's okay.
Hitler thought your kind should have been wiped out and I strongly disagreed
with him. Too bad we couldnt try him at Nuernberg with the rest of the
Gestapo and Nazi Scum...
Douglas
"Capt Jim" <nt...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>Technically, they didn't even put up a fight to have to surrender...
>
> RIGHT...They fight with their feet and fuck with their face!!
There is a French ww2 gun on Ebay right now. Says "Good condition, only
Dropped Once".
Granville Waiters' Ghost
wrote:
Too bad we were busy working with and protecting from arrest the
Butcher of Lyon, Klaus Barbie, who murdered one of the leading
figures of the French Resistance, while simultaneously making
pompous statements about crimes against humanity and individual
accountability.
It gets a little more gray when you look at the details, don't it?
Douglas
"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x@x.x> wrote in message
This is true. America and Britisih did use him for information and did let
him escape to South America to hide. I will not doubt that. Who let him get
away with that was wrong. Flat out wrong. If anything the man should have
suffered as much as his victims... He spent a total of four years in
prison... Hopefully he will spend an eternity in damnation.
mirak
I guess french or us companies and many other had interest there.
Nobody deny that. That's really the obscure parts that us simple
citizens don't know.
mirak
That's a fascinating picture in fact.
Because right now, I just look at the window and see ... the Eiffel
tower ...
mirak
You should write a thesis.
Huang GAng
Your line of argument would have worked if Saddam wasn't put into power
and fully supported by the very same group of people that cries freedom
and democracy now.
The whole world knows the whole fiasco is for oil and from my point of
view, a very shrew transfer of wealth from the people of US to the big
corporation. The oil merely pays for the whole operation, the profit
comes from US tax payers.
Along the way, who cares about children, women, familes, relics that
recorded the birth of western human civilization? Not you, obviously.
You think dropping daisy cutters into sleeping families are justifiable
costs. You buy into the bullshit propaganda of freedom and democracy.
What freedom do the Iraqi have when Foreign soliders answerable to no
one can burst into their households, humiliate their family and destroy
their possessions?
What democracy do the Iraqi have when their overlords are uninvited
invaders from overseas?
What is the difference between US occupation and the rule of Saddam?
Other than more lawlessness, other than more insecurity, other than the
degradation of a whole civilization?
There are massacres against civilians by the US forces, just look at
Fullajah the city in ruin.
There are tortures or maybe you missed the pictures?
There are arrests without evidence or orders or the rule of law or due
process, as we well known that civilian prisoners were taken off the
streets and just jailed for indefinite time.
What do you say to all these? Justifiable costs of liberation?
Liberation from what?
>From fear of a tyrant of their own? So they can enjoy the fear of many
tyrants not of their own?
Huang GAng
the Nazi before you give the French a hard time. At least the worst of
them worked with the Nazi under the gun.
Douglas
"Huang GAng" <kongwong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Your line of argument would have worked if Saddam wasn't put into power
> and fully supported by the very same group of people that cries freedom
> and democracy now.
He wasn't put into power by anyone but himself. He worked his way up to
eventually take over by way of terror. He was armed by the world. 5
countries in general. Russia, France, Germany, America, and Belgium in order
to fight off the Iranians which the world viewed as a greater threat at the
time. Essentially the world was picking what they considered the lesser of
two evils. Unfortunately I hear your argument alot which is a partisan
argument.
> The whole world knows the whole fiasco is for oil and from my point of
> view, a very shrew transfer of wealth from the people of US to the big
> corporation. The oil merely pays for the whole operation, the profit
> comes from US tax payers.
It isn't all for oil but it's resource does play a roll in rebuilding Iraq
and helping to pay for war long term.
> Along the way, who cares about children, women, familes, relics that
> recorded the birth of western human civilization? Not you, obviously.
Actually I do care about those people and the facts are lesser people are
dying today in Iraq than did in the past. It seems you are simply getting
your liberal talking points memo and rolling with it though.
> You think dropping daisy cutters into sleeping families are justifiable
> costs. You buy into the bullshit propaganda of freedom and democracy.
Here goes the peace rhetoric as if people who are for liberalization somehow
want to see people die.
Sorry bud your argument is standard talking points memo from point A to
point B.
Douglas
> You should check out what your president's grand daddy were doing for
> the Nazi before you give the French a hard time. At least the worst of
> them worked with the Nazi under the gun.
Yeah, I guess thats why Bush is helping Israel. <rolls eyes>
Conspiracy theories and democratic talking points.
Get a brain of your own!
mirak
Israel is just a strategic position, get real.
Douglas
> Douglas wrote:
>> "Huang GAng" <kongwong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1106538544.0...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Israel is just a strategic position, get real
Yes the conspiracy lives on. Bush is using the Jews to push any german nazi
ambitions his great grandfather might have had...
YAWN.....
Douglas
> Israel is just a strategic position, get real.
Unfortunately the nazi rumors have long been labeled politically motivated
with nof act to back them up... ever
War seizures controversy
Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and
the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early
financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled
Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't
illegal until Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after Pearl
Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act. On
October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German
banking operations in New York City.
Prescott Bush's business interests seized under the act in October and
November 1942 included:
a.. Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers
Harriman)
b.. Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
c.. the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
d.. Silesian-American Corporation (with Walker)
Bush's interest in UBC consisted of one share. For it, he was reimbursed
$1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments
in the Texas energy industry.
Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to the Silesian-American
Corporation makes him complicit him with the corporation's mining operations
in Poland which used slave labor out of Oswiecim, where the Auschwitz
concentration camp was later constructed. Allegations that Prescott Bush
profited from slave labor or the Auschwitz concentration camp remain
unsubstantiated.
There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations
with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about
the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of
President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in
recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." [1]
(http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm) The rumors began with
extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential
run and were renewed during his 1988 run.
The New York Herald-Tribune never referred to Prescott Bush as "Hitler's
Financial Angel". The Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz
Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush only as an employee of the
investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since
by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and
imprisoned him. There has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers,
apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush
himself was known as "Hitler's Angel".
Huang GAng
Douglas wrote:
> "Huang GAng" <kongwong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1106538052....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Your line of argument would have worked if Saddam wasn't put into
power
> > and fully supported by the very same group of people that cries
freedom
> > and democracy now.
>
> He wasn't put into power by anyone but himself. He worked his way up
to
> eventually take over by way of terror. He was armed by the world. 5
> countries in general. Russia, France, Germany, America, and Belgium
in order
> to fight off the Iranians which the world viewed as a greater threat
at the
> time. Essentially the world was picking what they considered the
lesser of
> two evils. Unfortunately I hear your argument alot which is a
partisan
> argument.
>
Give me a break. Thats a load of bullshit. Rummie was there shaking
hands with Saddam. Didn't you see the picture?
>
> > The whole world knows the whole fiasco is for oil and from my point
of
> > view, a very shrew transfer of wealth from the people of US to the
big
> > corporation. The oil merely pays for the whole operation, the
profit
> > comes from US tax payers.
>
> It isn't all for oil but it's resource does play a roll in rebuilding
Iraq
> and helping to pay for war long term.
>
Yeah, it helps to pay for the occupation so US can have control of the
oil supplies. That is called colonial exploitation, did you know that?
>
> > Along the way, who cares about children, women, familes, relics
that
> > recorded the birth of western human civilization? Not you,
obviously.
>
> Actually I do care about those people and the facts are lesser people
are
> dying today in Iraq than did in the past. It seems you are simply
getting
> your liberal talking points memo and rolling with it though.
>
What fact you talking about? Show me the last time before US coming
in, that rape/murder is at the same level as it is right now? Just
because the US occupation force doesn't count the civilian dead doesn't
mean no one else is counting. You expect anyone to believe this
propaganda?
>
>
> > You think dropping daisy cutters into sleeping families are
justifiable
> > costs. You buy into the bullshit propaganda of freedom and
democracy.
>
> Here goes the peace rhetoric as if people who are for liberalization
somehow
> want to see people die.
> Sorry bud your argument is standard talking points memo from point A
to
> point B.
>
The fact is, PEOPLE DIED for your little "LIBERATION" thingie. Do you
liberate people by putting them in jail and torture them? Do you
liberate people by dropping bombs into traditional family wedding? Do
you liberate people by razing their home to the ground? Shut up with
your liberation when it is pure exploitation.
And I see you just can't answer the questions because YOU CAN'T HANDLE
THE TRUTH.
Check the facts, Douglas. The Iraqi want you gone. Got it? Leave.
Thats what the Sunni PM candidate is saying, and he is supposed the
oppressed body you come to liberate.
Dave Zero
"People die every day." - O.J. Simpson
--
Dave Zero
"And I don't care about making an ass out of myself because most people
already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
"I criticize by creation" - Cicero
"I'm not here to make people happy. I prefer to piss people off." - Liam
Gallagher
Huang GAng
Read. It is fundamental.
Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed
Documents in National Archives Prove
George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded
with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
By John Buchanan
Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette
10-10-3
WASHINGTON -- After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S.
media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives
and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of
President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S.
banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine
from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush
and his "enemy national" partners.
The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to
reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal
their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a
steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded
Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle
and German law.
Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his
associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of
American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President
Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the
German industrial tycoon for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the
war.
No Story?
For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the
mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the
Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the
media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also
escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential
historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II
and its aftermath.
The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.
The Summer of '42
The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises,
all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway
in New York under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story
that ran simultaneously in the New York Herald-Tribune and Washington
Post on July 31, 1941. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany
for nearly eight months.
"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the front-page
Herald-Tribune headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen
as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel
and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since
October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In
that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships
with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.
The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's
U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels,
Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.
Business is Business
The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen
and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union
Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government
documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of
Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen
individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold,
steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury bonds. The company's activities were
administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S.
citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland
Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.
The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as
executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were
partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that
period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that
politically prominent individuals were about to come under official
U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued
unabated.
After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made
no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial
alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in
fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.
Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased
their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of
their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war.
The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal
appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor
Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly
denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership
of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it. Brown Brothers
Harriman sent letters to the government seeking reconsideration of the
seizures by using false information.
UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert
Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, who had a
relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922,
Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German
branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely
based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.
The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included
partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise,
Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust
that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and
his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort,
Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to prison.
The Family Business
In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy,
Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and
investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush
became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman
and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush
became a director of and stockholder in UBC.
However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense
and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom
shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted
at the direct behest of their German client.
Seized
On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act,
the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war.
The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of
the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property
Custodian Leo T. Crowley.
In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of
the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line,
under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after
the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act
again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses -
Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless
Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).
The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans
shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S.
Treasury bonds, to their foreign clients overseas between 1931-33, as
Hitler engineered his rise to power.
Still No Story?
Since 1942, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage
of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the
major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in
George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and
Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s
for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.
The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long
Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or
even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the
authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was
dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors
struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book
was published by Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it
easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.
The essence of the story has been posted for years on various Internet
sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online
media seem to have independently confirmed it.
In the 1990s, former U.S. Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor
John Loftus, now honorary president of the Florida Holocaust Museum,
wrote a book and launched a web site (<>www.john-loftus.com) which did
breakthrough reporting, including establishing the link between
Prescott Bush, Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and forced labor
at Auschwitz. Although the widely-respected Loftus established a
successful international speaking career with his information, no U.S.
newspaper or major TV news program acknowledged his decade of work, nor
did he ever see many of the recently released documents.
Meanwhile, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since
World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi
collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to
dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books
without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.
Loyal Defenders
The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House
correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins
mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush -
indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's
Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the
way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to
discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi
connection.
The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason
magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the
Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's
alleged Nazi connections."
Poles Tackle the Topic
Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece
on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported
that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in
the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted
English-language translation from Scoop Media (<>www.scoop.co.nz). The
story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen
businesses.
Still Not Interested
Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, CNN, The New
York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and
Miami Herald, as well as Knight-Ridder Newspapers, have repeatedly
declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery
of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29.
Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting
of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s,
declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from
the archives.
Aftermath
In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press
accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any
U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political
campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George
W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in
the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate
account in The Boston Globe in 2001.
---
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journalist and investigative reporter with 33 years of experience in
New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in
more than 50 newspapers, magazines and books. He can be reached by
e-mail at: jt...@bellsouth.net.
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Huang GAng
where the busness were siezed.
Simple fact.
Hitler's Angel or not, he got rich from dealing with the devil.
BTW, 1,500,000 is a lot of money today, and is even a bigger lot of
money back in 1942.
You want to pretend that was clean money, fine. Makes me wonder how
much did you take from your trip to Iraq? Did you help yourself to
some national treasures?
Huang GAng
with Saddam.
Douglas
> Hopefully those who committed war crimes in Iraq will be tried along
> with Saddam.
We have his minions in custody and they will go to trial with him.
Douglas
didnt happen.. and this idiot john buchanan has an agenda.. yet doesnt show
the info... go figure... just like a liberal
While liberals try to find a way to like financial dealings with nazi
germany .. they have a man in a senate seat who hung blacks in the south
named Robert Byrd... The Hypocrisy is nothing new.. Huang as I said you are
ignored.. I can't talk to ignorance!
"Huang GAng" <kongwong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Douglas
>
> Douglas wrote:
>> "Huang GAng" <kongwong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1106538052....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Your line of argument would have worked if Saddam wasn't put into
> power
>> > and fully supported by the very same group of people that cries
> freedom
>> > and democracy now.
>>
>> He wasn't put into power by anyone but himself. He worked his way up
> to
>> eventually take over by way of terror. He was armed by the world. 5
>> countries in general. Russia, France, Germany, America, and Belgium
> in order
>> to fight off the Iranians which the world viewed as a greater threat
> at the
>> time. Essentially the world was picking what they considered the
> lesser of
>> two evils. Unfortunately I hear your argument alot which is a
> partisan
>> argument.
>>
>
> Give me a break. Thats a load of bullshit. Rummie was there shaking
> hands with Saddam. Didn't you see the picture?
Yes, I have pictures of UN officals shaking hands with him that same year.
We had picked the lesser of two evils. It was either him or the Iranians.
Obviously you are fueled by liberal talking points... This is going no
where.
Douglas
Actually the law put in place was for several and even US business... The US
tried to pretend that no one would be effected by it and therefor didnt comp
business's... so many many kept their business's going. He wasn't doing
business with Hitler or nazi scum. It is being used by trash like you to
tarnish reputations.
Also your final questions show the true nature of who you are a disgrace and
now ignored.
Douglas
1) Prescott Bush owned 1 share of stock in UBC.
2) In 1939 "notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen" came out against the
Nazi regime and was labelled an enemy of the regime. He fled Germany but was
eventually captured in France by the Nazis and spent 4+ years in prison
until the Allied victory.
3) Many U.S. businesses had dealings with Nazi Germany right up U.S.
involvement in the war. Prescott Bush's ties are extremely weak at best.
There are many others, e.g. JFK, whose families had ties at least as strong.
Do some searches on the web. As usual the left only present carefully
selected facts that support their claims and ignores any "inconvenient"
information entirely.
"Huang GAng" <kongwong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Unabogie
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"Douglas" <do...@anon.com> wrote in message
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How could we be choosing the lesser of two evils when we were, in fact,
choosing both evils? You do understand that Reagan was giving weapons to
both sides, right? At the same time as we were choosing that lesser, we
were selling arms to the greater of the evils and skimming money off of that
(minus a tidy profit that still has not been returned) to give to a group
that was far worse than Saddam Hussein ever was. The Contras chosen method
of fighting the Sandanistas was to go into remote towns and slaughter
innocent families as a warning to all that no one may support the popularly
supported government. Reagan had his hands full, I guess, and couldn't
decide which evil murdering thugs he would give our hard earned money to.
So he gave it to ALL the horrible, murdering thugs.
Thanks, but I'll go with the other poster's talking points. Yours are
silly.
Douglas
"Unabogie" <unab...@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How could we be choosing the lesser of two evils when we were, in fact,
> choosing both evils? You do understand that Reagan was giving weapons to
> both sides, right? At the same time as we were choosing that lesser, we
> were selling arms to the greater of the evils and skimming money off of
> that (minus a tidy profit that still has not been returned) to give to a
> group that was far worse than Saddam Hussein ever was. The Contras chosen
> method of fighting the Sandanistas was to go into remote towns and
> slaughter innocent families as a warning to all that no one may support
> the popularly supported government. Reagan had his hands full, I guess,
> and couldn't decide which evil murdering thugs he would give our hard
> earned money to. So he gave it to ALL the horrible, murdering thugs.
>
> Thanks, but I'll go with the other poster's talking points. Yours are
> silly.
It is all deeper than that. You cannot sum it up so easily. Flawed logic!
Sébastien Poitras
> Bush continue dealing with Germany after Pearl Harbour, up to the point
> where the busness were siezed.
>
> Simple fact.
>
> Hitler's Angel or not, he got rich from dealing with the devil.
Like IBM and Coca-Cola and several others. Do you boycot them?
Douglas
"Sébastien Poitras" <sebastien.poi...@videotron.ca> wrote in
message news:35lr2oF...@individual.net...
It doesnt matter to them... They only hear and see Bush in their heads..
doing business with a man who later became a sworn enemy to the Third Reich.
As if it even matters if he did some how. I am sure my grandfather did alot
of things he wasnt proud of.. anyway just ignore them and let them have
their conspiracy theories...
Jackie Hugan
wrote:
>s_knight8 wrote:
>> http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2005/01/21/905630-sun.html
>>
>> With the Raptors heading to Washington to face the Wizards tonight,
>> Rose was asked whether he planned to attend any U.S. presidential
>> inauguration parties.
>>
>> "Nope. Politricks is not for me. I don't believe in war," Rose said.
>>
>> However, Rose donated money to John Edwards' campaign for the
>> presidential primary.
>>
>> "Maybe I just didn't want Bush to win," Rose said. "I would have
>> voted for you (a reporter) if you were running. Can't be any worse
>> than what we've got."
>
>Another guy (along with Nash) who I now respect.
>
>
You respect an NBA player because of their political beliefs? What
an idiot you are!
Huang GAng
Douglas wrote:
> A few points:
> 1) Prescott Bush owned 1 share of stock in UBC.
>
Number of shares means jackshit. He got compensated for $1,500,000 for
that one share. Get that figure into your head. He was also
management. Got that?
> 3) Many U.S. businesses had dealings with Nazi Germany right up U.S.
> involvement in the war. Prescott Bush's ties are extremely weak at
best.
> There are many others, e.g. JFK, whose families had ties at least as
strong.
>
Except UBC is so unique, that it didn't stop even after Pearl Harbor.
Now that is interesting, isn't it? It took a court order to stop them.
Huang GAng
Huang GAng
systematic torture on the civilian prisoners held without charge?
Or maybe dropping daisy cutters to civilian wedding doesn't constitute
war crime in your world.
Perhaps continue shooting injuried disabled personel doesn't consititue
war crime for the US army.
Maybe Geneva convention doesn't apply to the US force because it is
their freedom and US is a democracy... ANd you wonder why the 17
saudis and non-iraqis flew the planes into the twin towers?
Huang GAng
What, you think it is such a secret that US armed forces robs, rapes,
pilliages, tortures and murders civilians wherever they go? You want
to pretend these thing didn't happen? After all, the US Army
turns a blind eye on these kind of things.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33733-2005Jan24?language=printer
Oh I sure you didn't steal anything, or rob anyone, you just helped to
relieve the Iraqi people from their burden of wealth.
Huang GAng
Douglas
"Jackie Hugan" <jack...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Especially Rose of all people. Most people you talk to will go right down
the list of talking memo points. They arent educated themselves about the
history, just the rumors of histery like that little Huang... It's actually
sad because they live a lie their entire lives based on what hippy mommy or
daddy taught them to believe, or the prophet Muhamed...
Marcus Kwan
wrote:
>http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2005/01/21/905630-sun.html
>
>With the Raptors heading to Washington to face the Wizards tonight, Rose was
>asked whether he planned to attend any U.S. presidential inauguration
>parties.
>
>"Nope. Politricks is not for me. I don't believe in war," Rose said.
>
>However, Rose donated money to John Edwards' campaign for the presidential
>primary.
>
>"Maybe I just didn't want Bush to win," Rose said. "I would have voted for
>you (a reporter) if you were running. Can't be any worse than what we've
>got."
>
>
The blanket statement "I don't believe in war' is idiotic. And if
that earns instant credibility points with some, they are knee jerk
reacting. To say "I don't believe the reasons for this particular war
are justified, considering the cost in both money and lives", that I
could say would make a person more credible. But anyone who smugly
sits in America, enjoying the benefits of this country (particularily
the financial benefits of being an athlete, etc) and makes the blanket
comment :"I don't believe in war" is a hypocrite and a fool.