OT Howard Zinn (RIP)
RMJon23
Activist, historian Howard Zinn dies at 87
By Ros Krasny Ros Krasny – Thu Jan 28, 3:11 pm ET
BOSTON (Reuters) – Historian and activist Howard Zinn, whose 1980 book
"A People's History of the United States" was a rallying cry for the
American left in a conservative era, has died aged 87.
Family members said Zinn, who for decades was a fixture in the U.S.
civil rights and anti-war movements and lived in Auburndale,
Massachusetts, died of a heart attack on Wednesday while traveling in
California.
He was a professor emeritus in the political science department at
Boston University and taught there from 1964 to 1988.
"He had a deep sense of fairness and justice for the underdog. But he
always kept his sense of humor. He was a happy warrior," said Caryl
Rivers, journalism professor at Boston University.
Rivers and Zinn were among a group of faculty members who in 1979
defended the right of the school's clerical workers to strike and were
threatened with dismissal after refusing to cross a picket line.
"A People's History of the United States" chronicled the nation's
development through voices of women, minorities and the working class,
telling the U.S. story as series of episodes where the state and big
business colluded to crush socialism.
American leftists celebrated the work at a time when conservatism as
embodied by U.S. President Ronald Reagan was ascendant. More than one
million copies have been sold.
Zinn was born in Brooklyn, New York, in 1922 into a Jewish immigrant
family. During World War Two he enlisted in the U.S. Army and flew in
planes that bombed targets in Germany, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.
He wrote in the magazine "The Progressive" in 2006 that his military
service had informed his anti-war views.
"Once we decided, at the start, that our side was the good side and
the other side was evil ... we did not have to think any more. Then we
could commit unspeakable acts and it was all right," Zinn said.
Zinn earned a bachelor's degree from New York University in 1951 and
later a master's and a doctorate in history from Columbia University
in New York.
Weeks before his death Zinn wrote in "The Nation" magazine of his
disappointment with President Barack Obama.
"I think people are dazzled by Obama's rhetoric, and that people ought
to begin to understand that Obama is going to be a mediocre president
-- which means, in our time, a dangerous president -- unless there is
some national movement to push him in a better direction."
Zinn is survived by two children and five grandchildren.
(Reporting by Ros Krasny; Editing by Daniel Trotta and David Storey)
Gary Collard
RMJon23 wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100128/people_nm/us_zinn
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> Activist, historian Howard Zinn dies at 87
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> By Ros Krasny Ros Krasny � Thu Jan 28, 3:11 pm ET
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> BOSTON (Reuters) � Historian and activist Howard Zinn, whose 1980 book
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RMJon23
> He'll be missed on this board, where he posted via his "Skeptic" alias.
Wow. When thinking about political issues you truly seem retarded to
me.
bozak
seem???
RMJon23
Yes, "seem." But I won't go into it here. Far too OT, and it wd bore
the crap out of most anyone who tried to read my explanation anyway.
bozak
> On Feb 1, 4:47?pm, bozak <boz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 5:42?pm, RMJon23 <rmjo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 1, 1:25 pm, Gary Collard <garycoll...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> He'll be missed on this board, where he posted via his "Skeptic"
>>>> alias.
>>
>>> Wow. When thinking about political issues you truly seem retarded to
>>> me.
>>
>> seem???
>
> Yes, "seem." But I won't go into it here. Far too OT, and it wd bore
> the crap out of most anyone who tried to read my explanation anyway.
the only way it would seem that way is if he was trolling... he aint trolling,
just peep his blog if you dont think he is serious... that fucker is one of the
dirtiest of dirt bags that post here... the only thing that might be worse is
sports moron and his sock puppet political views because he is to much of
a coward to do it under his regular nick...
RMJon23
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I understand where you're coming from re: Gary. When I wrote "seem" I
was "JOOTSING," as Douglas Hofstadter said: Jumping Outside Of The
System (ing) of generally accepted use of language in a forum like
this.
It has to do with some problems in the sociology of knowledge, which
sez that any one of our perspectives has occlusions built-in to it,
and most people are almost totally blind (a pun-ish-ment?) to these
occlusions. Along with all this are problems of epistemology - how
"knowledge" is constituted, what is taken for knowledge and what is
not (we may have noticed there are lots of disagreements here), and
then, probably deeper: there are all kinds of problems with words and
language and semantics, and, in the 20th century, even arithmetic was
found to not be a perfectly "provable" system (see: Godel's
Incompleteness Theorem).
See? I told you it would be boring.
So to cut a lot of jit out: the disagreements over...let's say:
political ideas seem to me, in my present state of ignorance, to be
largely a problem of your axiomatic values about how people should be
treated, what's fair, etc. Axioms seem like self-evident "proofs." But
what a drag: they probably are not: they reflect our genetics, happy
and sad accidents, learning, conditioning, schooling, overall
environments, and other aspects.
I hope at least a little bit of this makes sense, even if the reader
disagrees with it.
Now: we DO have our values. (And I fervently wish our values were
truly "ours;" i.e, they were not handed down to you by Big Daddy or
Mom Always Said...: Think For Yourself! and always be open to
divergent POVs!) And it makes sense to think a lot about our values
and act in accordance with them, allow them to be a bit flexible to
allow for more learning, but by all means act in accordance with your
political values and don't be a hypocrite.
This has been one of the weirdest posts to asbnll ever, brought to you
by,
-rmjon23 da Berkeley, CA
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
reality."
Albert Einstein, "Geometry and Experience", January 27, 1921
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
"You think my fallacy is all wrong?"
-Marshall McLuhan, a typical response to all hecklers
bozak
> On Feb 1, 10:21?pm, " bozak" <________bo...@gmail.com________>
i understand your thinking on the matter and i believe it to be a major
cop out for society as a whole... and i sincerely understand the thought that
dad was a racist, so there is a huge tendency to understand that that is the same
reason son and daughters are racist... but i dont believe that to be the case, what
i do believe and have seen with my own eyes is that the search for cool is an even
bigger intoxicant when it comes to who you are going to be... hence our current
tat generation...
when i was growing up the only guys in the neighborhoods i lived in and where
surrounded by that wore ear rings were crips and bloods... if you wore an ear ring
you were bangin, no doubt about it... there were a lot of wannabes that if you can
believe it, ended up in gangs just so they could where an ear ring... it was really
stooooopid if you asked me, and the guys i fought with that had ear rings from
the time i was in the 7th grade until highschool really found out how stooopid
it was because when the fight was over they had blood soaked shirts from
me ripping their ear rings out of their ears meat intact... trust me, i grew up
in a really rough neighborhood and if not for the fights i had with crips and
bloods and carrying a pistol at the age of 14 i probably wouldnt be here
today...
but what im getting at and i think you probably know by now is people
will do anything to be cool and belong to something... i live in an area of the
country that flies the biggest confederate flag in the world... white kids from
this area trash the place on the regular... fortunately no longer do kids think it
is cool to be racist... it is now cool to point out how ass backwards their parents
thinking is... so in other words this kids like most would rather belong to their
generation more so than their parents... the ideology of their parents most of the
time can no longer taint them... is it because kids have finally let go of the paternal
grip??? i would hope so, but i think just want to fit in and be cool...
in life their comes a time where you have to break the chains of your influences and
many are not brave enough to do so... many dont have enough brain power to do
so and function as nothing more than clones (see moronic birthers and tea party
shouters)... ive met a lot of followers in my life time... the followers out number
the critical thinkers probably 100 to 1... critical thinking is a very rare trait and for
most its just easier to follow what we have been told as the "gods" honest truth...
so when someone comes and interrupts the production line of bullshit, you get
shouting and moronics... i think that is because people arent taught to think on
their own... with that you get people like goldberg, sportsmoron, kkkollard,
chim chim, and aluckymess who beleive with all their heart that they are telling
you the "gods" honest truth of how things really should be... is it that daddy made
them bigots and shills for the government, or is it their choice... i honestly think
it is their choice because you dont have to be the people they are, you choose
to be... who knows, maybe there is some three titty chick down and the county
fair that they secretly get to bang and we dont know about and thats why its
worthwhile for them to be cretins... but it is a choice they make and apparently
they think its pretty cool... :-(
mayner
<garyc...@netscape.net> wrote:
>He'll be missed on this board, where he posted via his "Skeptic" alias.
>
>RMJon23 wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100128/people_nm/us_zinn
>>
>> Activist, historian Howard Zinn dies at 87
Oh fuck-off, you turd.
mayner
Oh goodness... A three titty chick?
lol...
Just made my day, you did. ;-)
bozak
:-) this rant brought to mind all of the drug makers out there making drugs for everything...
the first company to make a drug to make people have high self esteem will be even better
than a drug to cure cancer... these shitheads wouldnt want the worst for everyone else if
they didnt think so little of themselves... seriously, have you ever met one of these right
winged loopers that wasnt an insecure fucking twit???
BaSSiStiSt
wrote:
> the first company to make a drug to make people have high self esteem will be even better
> than a drug to cure cancer...
Well, I've never done it, but I've heard blow is good for that?
(<---stops, imagines herds of coked-up Republicans, shudders)
Gary Collard
Okay, maybe dishonest anti-American Marxist A not precisely equal to
dishonest anti-American Marxist B, but the similarities are undeniable.
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RMJon23
> RMJon23 wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 1:25 pm, Gary Collard <garycoll...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> He'll be missed on this board, where he posted via his "Skeptic" alias.
>
> > Wow. When thinking about political issues you truly seem retarded to
> > me.
>
> Okay, maybe dishonest anti-American Marxist A not precisely equal to
> dishonest anti-American Marxist B, but the similarities are undeniable.
Apart from this At Night All Cows Are Black dippy failure to make a
distinction when there is one to be made (there are very many
distinctions to be made), what, pray tell, is "dishonest" about Zinn?
You've never read him, right?
bozak
are you really expecting an honest answer???
Johnny
The most important discovery in the history of psychology is that by
changing our attitude we can change our life.