I Guess I Don't Understand The "Clear Path" Rule
M B
kongw...@gmail.com
> Why didn't that qualify?
Happened in the back court, not front court.
David Farber
This is what I found in the NBA rule book:
"6) one free throw attempt and possession of the ball on the sideline
nearest the spot where play was interrupted if an offensive player, or a
teammate, is fouled while having a clear-path-to-the-basket. The ball and an
offen-sive player must be positioned between the tip-of-circle extended in
the backcourt and the basket in the frontcourt, with no defender between the
ball and the basket when the personal foul occurs. There must be team
control and the new play must originate in the backcourt, including
throw-ins, and the offended team must be deprived of an opportunity to score
an uncontested basket."
So it appears you can be in the backcourt. I think the refs missed it.
Sports Fan
"M B" <Mik...@o.com> wrote:
>Why didn't that qualify?
You beat me to it.
I guess I don't understand it either.
M B
<kongw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 24, 11:23 am, "M B" <MikB...@o.com> wrote:
>> Why didn't that qualify?
>
> Happened in the back court, not front court.
Except that it didn't happen in the backcourt. I'm pretty sure you're
just being the messenger here. I mean, I guess that WAS the rationale, but
the replay showed that 'Melo grabbed him just after he crossed the line.
Gary Collard
> Why didn't that qualify?
They blew that one, simple as that
Ariza was clearly in the front court, and I've seen it called in the
backcourt before too. That's dictionary definition of clear path.
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David Farber
I should add that was the rule in 2004. Now two free throws are awarded
insted of one. Correct?
kongw...@gmail.com
> M B wrote:
> > Why didn't that qualify?
>
> They blew that one, simple as that
>
> Ariza was clearly in the front court, and I've seen it called in the
> backcourt before too. That's dictionary definition of clear path.
>
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> Gary Collard
> SABR-L Moderator
>
> "It's the playoffs. If you're scared, get a dog."
> -- Allen Iverson
Its not the only one they blew tonight thats for sure. How about the
play before that where Melo bumps away Kobe for a noncall then gets a
call on Ariza for the same bump?
$Bill
I don't think Trev had control yet.
Terraholm
> M B wrote:
>> Why didn't that qualify?
>
> They blew that one, simple as that
>
> Ariza was clearly in the front court, and I've seen it called in the
> backcourt before too. That's dictionary definition of clear path.
Was not the place... the rule says "There must be team control"
"A team is in possession when a player is holding, dribbling or passing
the ball."
Ariza had just batted the ball away into the front court and was
chasing it. That is not officially having possession Not having not
caught or dribbled it..
So it was ruled a loose ball foul.
http://www.nba.com/games/20090523/LALDEN/playbyplay.html
00:36.5 Anthony Foul : Loose Ball (6 PF)
HS
>
> So it was ruled a loose ball foul.
>
> http://www.nba.com/games/20090523/LALDEN/playbyplay.html
>
> 00:36.5 Anthony Foul : Loose Ball (6 PF)
And apparently it wasn't ruled as a steal. Which is lame.
Terraholm
You can not steal the ball from a player if he does not yet by rule have
possession. Melo never came close to having possession, it barely
touched his outstretched finger tips.
And in this case ariza did not gain possession. Touching/deflecting the
ball is not 'possession'.
"A team is in possession when a player is holding, dribbling or passing
the ball."
Neither player had possession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv7JXGslhYQ
Hence no steal, no clear path foul. Loose Ball Foul is the Correct call
no matter what the announcers are calling..
paul...@yahoo.com
> the ball."
Martin had the ball and was passing it - how is that Not Possession?
From your explaination, steals are impossible if someone is passing
the ball.
>
> Neither player had possession.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv7JXGslhYQ
>
> Hence no steal, no clear path foul. Loose Ball Foul is the Correct call
> no matter what the announcers are calling..
Martin had possession - clearly a steal and a clear path foul. If it
had happened in any other quarter than the 4th with just a couple
minutes remaining, it would have been called that way.
Terraholm
>> "A team is in possession when a player is holding, dribbling or passing
>> the ball."
>
> Martin had the ball and was passing it - how is that Not Possession?
> From your explaination, steals are impossible if someone is passing
> the ball.
>
>> Neither player had possession.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv7JXGslhYQ
>>
>> Hence no steal, no clear path foul. Loose Ball Foul is the Correct call
>> no matter what the announcers are calling..
>
> Martin had possession -
When he passed it. Once it touched Melo the clock started and it was no
longer Martin's inbounds pass... and Melo did not have control of the
ball. Ariza tipped it away. Ariza never had possession as defined in the
rules.
The clear path foul states the team has control of the ball. Tipped away
down court does not fit that.
>clearly a steal and a clear path foul.
Was neither.
> If it
> had happened in any other quarter than the 4th with just a couple
> minutes remaining, it would have been called that way.
I doubt that. It is rarely called because of the criteria needed.
Gary Collard
Ariza was fouled in the frontcourt (left foot in, right foot floating
over backcourt), depends on what "originate" means. The "play"
originated in the backcourt, but the foul did not, but it looks like
they blew it by the rule.
Gary Collard
He did until grabbed.
$Bill
> $Bill wrote:
>> David Farber wrote:
>>> kongw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On May 24, 11:23 am, "M B" <MikB...@o.com> wrote:
>>>>> Why didn't that qualify?
>>>> Happened in the back court, not front court.
>>>
>>> This is what I found in the NBA rule book:
>>>
>>> "6) one free throw attempt and possession of the ball on the sideline
>>> nearest the spot where play was interrupted if an offensive player,
>>> or a teammate, is fouled while having a clear-path-to-the-basket. The
>>> ball and an offen-sive player must be positioned between the
>>> tip-of-circle extended in the backcourt and the basket in the
>>> frontcourt, with no defender between the ball and the basket when the
>>> personal foul occurs. There must be team control and the new play
>>> must originate in the backcourt, including throw-ins, and the
>>> offended team must be deprived of an opportunity to score an
>>> uncontested basket."
>>
>> I don't think Trev had control yet.
>
> He did until grabbed.
The wording is 'team control' - DEN had control, Trev tipped the ball
but did not get control of the ball ever (due to the foul).