The best coach of all time with the numbers to prove it
eichler4
any coach in NBA history
25 consecutive playoff series wins. Unequalled by any coach in NBA history
9 titles, only equaled by one coach in NBA history
162 playoff games won- Unequalled by any coach in NBA history
41 playoff series won-Unequalled by any coach in NBA history
Highest post season winning percentage of all time
Took a Laker team that was swept out of the playoffs in consecutive years to
3 straight titles the year he arrived.
Took a Bulls team that got killed in the playoffs every year and got them 6
titles in 8 years.
All you haters out there keep drinking the haterade and ignoring the facts.
It's amazing how success breeds jealousy. Small minded people love to tear
apart a winner. For most of you reading this, your team would have more
titles if he was your coach.
Phil Jackson, the greatest coach ever.
Gary S. Simon
"eichler4" <eich...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Took a Bulls team that got killed in the playoffs every year and got them 6
> titles in 8 years.
The Bulls were not "killed" in the 1989 playoffs. They upset the
Cavs and Knicks before losing the ECF to the Pistons.
And, for "6 titles in 8 years" to be accurate, one must exclude
Jackson's first season as head coach, when the Bulls lost Game 7 of the
ECF.
El Duderino
Rapist) Bryant because of the media worship and arrogance. They are good
players that handle themselves poorly and hurt the NBA with their image
problems. It's just basketball. Get over yourselves. Phil Jackson is an
opportunist who goes where he thinks he can succeed. I would too. Let him
turn around the Clippers if he wants a real challenge.
Non-Laker Fan
"eichler4" <eich...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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cc0136481
and Worthy...No, not Auerbach yet he had Russell, Cousy, and Havlicek...all
the great coaches have great teams and that means great players...Phil
Jackson was hired as a coach so why is he an opportunist ???...you're the
biggest jealous mofo who can't stand the Lakers winning year in and year
out...the Lakers tradition is too much for you to take, so why don't you
take your bitter pills and get over it...Lakers are America's Team, much
like the Yankees are in baseball...TELL ME another basketball team out there
who has consistently contended for the championship, year in and year out,
since the NBA started...yep, we all know...Phil Jackson is NOT stupid, he's
a winner and he wants to showcase his skillz with winners, now what's so
wrong with that, ese?
Duderino blows....
"El Duderino" <duder...@holonet.com> wrote in message
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Jared476
lame stats snipped.
He's a fraud, he only coaches teams with two of the Top 50 players of all time
on them, because he knows if he had to coach a "regular" team he'd fall flat on
his dorky face.
Larry Brown coaching the Clippers to the playoffs (twice) is more impressive
then anything Phil Jackson has ever done.
Jackson wouldn't have the balls to accept a job with the Clippers in the first
place, and if he did, he'd fail miserably.
Phil Jackass is a conman, an opportunist, and a complete jerk.
Brian Tung
> He's a fraud, he only coaches teams with two of the Top 50 players of
> all time on them, because he knows if he had to coach a "regular" team
> he'd fall flat on his dorky face.
There's some truth to that, but I don't think that makes him a fraud.
It would only be a fraud if he claimed to take a bunch of journeymen
to the title. I don't believe he has once claimed that.
> Larry Brown coaching the Clippers to the playoffs (twice) is more
> impressive then anything Phil Jackson has ever done.
Actually, they're both impressive tasks, albeit for different reasons.
I've always felt that the least impressive positive transition is from
a middle-of-the-road non-playoff team (think 2003-2004 Clippers) to a
middle-of-the-road playoff team (think 2003-2004 Hornets). Teams in
that region of aptitude are so tightly bunched that any random jiggling
back and forth can make one team a winner and another a loser. People
tend to attribute to coaching/talent/whatever what is better attributed,
essentially, to Brownian Motion, Sports Version.
It's the transitions on either end that are the toughies: taking the
worst team in the league and making them a playoff team, and taking a
middle-of-the-road playoff team and making them a champion. In either
case, the step to be taken is a larger one, and a more definite one--you
can hardly credit random jiggling for either one.
Even so, I think the latter is the tougher one, for there's more than one
playoff spot that a formerly poor team can vie for, but only one title.
The competition must be fiercer for the title. Hardly anyone talks about
missing their "window of opportunity" for making the playoffs.
That being said, just because it might be easier to take a bottom feeder
and make a respectable team out of it doesn't mean that just anyone can
do it. I have a gut feeling that Jackson would be merely mediocre at it,
he would have next to no interest in it, and those two reasons are why he
simply doesn't bother with run-of-the-mill teams. I'm sure he views
himself as primarily a "finisher," so to speak.
It is inconsistent to argue against Jackson by way of his talent pool,
yet neglect to explain how it is that that same talent failed to win
before he arrived. Not to put too fine a point on it, one *also* cannot
conclude from that pattern that he *is* the greatest coach ever, either.
Results are hard to judge by, in my opinion. There's just too much that
is open to different explanations--depending on which axe you want to
grind. The best way to evaluate a coach ought to be to judge them by how
they actually coach...but I suspect that would be expecting too much of
Usenet.
My own off-the-cuff opinion is that Jackson is very good indeed at what
he does--finish the job. Couldn't possibly venture an opinion about how
he ranks with other greats, and I'm not sure how meaningful any such
opinion would be, really.
Brian Tung <br...@isi.edu>
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Chris Smith
<eich...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Phil Jackson, the greatest coach ever.
Yeah, but Red Auerbach won titles even before Bill Russell! At least that's
what Prince Albert is claiming.
Viker 44
Been saying that for years.... funny how those who dog him every year are now
kissing his ass.....
Chainsaw
eichler4 wrote:
Word.
Chris Smith
<old_ir...@SPAMREALLYSUXhotmail.com.REMOVECAPSTOREPLY> wrote:
> This statement only proves what a fucking idiot you are.
>
> Brown had Danny Manning, Ron Harper, Mark Jackson and Ken Norman in their
> primes and won only 41 games in 1992-93 and went 2-3 in the playoffs. What
> is so impressive about that? He vented publicly about his inability to get
> that team to just focus on basketball. He quit out of frustration after less
> than 2 seasons at the helm. I doubt that Brown would likely consider his
> tenure in LA a success.
Not to mention that the Lakers took the 8th seed that season with only 39
wins. Does that put Randy Pfund's coaching performance that year on par
with Brown's?
Gary S. Simon
jare...@aol.com (Jared476) wrote:
> >From: "eichler4" eich...@comcast.net
>
> lame stats snipped.
>
> He's a fraud, he only coaches teams with two of the Top 50 players of all
> time
> on them, because he knows if he had to coach a "regular" team he'd fall flat
> on
> his dorky face.
Like when he coached a CBA to the championship of that league.
Perhaps more importantly, the Scottie Pippen and Kobe Bryant that
Jackson "inherited" were nowhere close to the stars on both ends of the
court that they developed into _after_ Jackson started coaching their
teams.
Majaluk
"eichler4" <eich...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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news:garscosi-3A4D14...@news03.east.earthlink.net:
http://dir.salon.com/people/bc/2001/05/29/jackson/index.html
The CBA is where Jackson earned his stripes. Not only did Jackson coach, he
drove the van. Late at night he took his band of malcontents and might-
have-beens from one basketball outpost to the next, each light-years away
from the NBA and anybody who might care about their accomplishments.
While at Albany Jackson persuaded his team to divide salaries and playing
time equally. Married guys got a $25-a-week bonus. This type of
egalitarianism is without precedent in professional sports -- you find it
on a few scattered T-ball teams. Generally speaking, these are the teams
that sink to the bottom of the standings and a parent-inspired mutiny
follows. Not so with Jackson's Patroons. In 1984, they took the CBA title.
JC Martin
"Ironside" <old_ir...@SPAMREALLYSUXhotmail.com.REMOVECAPSTOREPLY> wrote
in message news:lLDqc.50721$a%3.3...@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Jared476" <jare...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040519020318...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > >From: "eichler4" eich...@comcast.net
> >
> > lame stats snipped.
> >
> > He's a fraud, he only coaches teams with two of the Top 50 players of
all
> time
> > on them, because he knows if he had to coach a "regular" team he'd fall
> flat on
> > his dorky face.
> >
> > Larry Brown coaching the Clippers to the playoffs (twice) is more
> impressive
> > then anything Phil Jackson has ever done.
>
>
> Brown had Danny Manning, Ron Harper, Mark Jackson and Ken Norman in their
> primes
Manning and Norman were lightweights. No coach can work with that. Their
careers went nowhere for good reason.
-JC
Jeff Mayner
This statement proves what a lightweight you are.
Jeff
>
> -JC
princealbertinacan
wrote:
Rode the coat-tails of more grat players than any other coach in
history. *Jackson, the most overrated coach ever!
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princealbertinacan
Why must you exclude his first season in Chacago? If he's the
"greatest coach ever" he should have won the championship every year.
After all, there was no other coach who could out-coach him, right?
princealbertinacan
<duder...@holonet.com> wrote:
> Let him
>turn around the Clippers if he wants a real challenge.
>
Yeah, like he's really going to take a job where he as to *prove* he's
a great coach. Don't hold your breath.
princealbertinacan
<bertv...@comcast.net> wrote:
>What a moron...you don't say that about Pat Riley yet he had Kareem, Magic,
>and Worthy...
Pay Riley's already proven his worth. Not much outside of a stacked
L.A. franchise.
princealbertinacan
>http://dir.salon.com/people/bc/2001/05/29/jackson/index.html
>
>The CBA is where Jackson earned his stripes. Not only did Jackson coach, he
>drove the van. Late at night he took his band of malcontents and might-
>have-beens from one basketball outpost to the next, each light-years away
>from the NBA and anybody who might care about their accomplishments.
>
>While at Albany Jackson persuaded his team to divide salaries and playing
>time equally. Married guys got a $25-a-week bonus. This type of
>egalitarianism is without precedent in professional sports -- you find it
>on a few scattered T-ball teams. Generally speaking, these are the teams
>that sink to the bottom of the standings and a parent-inspired mutiny
>follows. Not so with Jackson's Patroons. In 1984, they took the CBA title.
>
Hell, in the CBA if you've got one semi-decent NBA caliber player
who's between gigs, you've got a championship. I'm not impressed.
That's like saying a little league coach is the best baseball manager
ever. Stupid shit.
princealbertinacan
>Word.
Actually, lack thereof. A vocabulary would be a great improvement in
your search for some job that doesn't require you to say "Would you
like fried with that?"
Dave Zero
> Phil Jackass is a conman, an opportunist, and a complete jerk.
These all may be true statements, but he's also the best coach in the
NBA.
--
Dave Zero
"And I don't care about making an ass out of myself because most people
already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
"I criticize by creation" - Cicero
"I'm not here to make people happy. I prefer to piss people off." - Liam
Gallagher
Peter L
<Prince Albert in a Can> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 May 2004 03:42:16 GMT, "Gary S. Simon"
> <gars...@thisisatypo.pipeline.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <IkAqc.77378$iF6.6508494@attbi_s02>,
> > "eichler4" <eich...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Took a Bulls team that got killed in the playoffs every year and got
them 6
> >> titles in 8 years.
> >
> >
> > The Bulls were not "killed" in the 1989 playoffs. They upset the
> >Cavs and Knicks before losing the ECF to the Pistons.
> >
> > And, for "6 titles in 8 years" to be accurate, one must exclude
> >Jackson's first season as head coach, when the Bulls lost Game 7 of the
> >ECF.
>
> Why must you exclude his first season in Chacago? If he's the
> "greatest coach ever" he should have won the championship every year.
> After all, there was no other coach who could out-coach him, right?
>
Your reading skill needs to be upgraded (say, from grade 2 to grade 3).
I think Red Auerbach can out coach Jackson. After all, according to you,
Red won a couple before he got Russell, right?
Back to the can you go.
Peter L
<Prince Albert in a Can> wrote in message
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 01:31:06 -0400, "cc0136481"
> <bertv...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >What a moron...you don't say that about Pat Riley yet he had Kareem,
Magic,
> >and Worthy...
>
> Pay Riley's already proven his worth. Not much outside of a stacked
> L.A. franchise.
>
Didn't you claim Auerbach won a couple before he had Russell? How's your
credibility these days?
Peter L
<Prince Albert in a Can> wrote in message
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:00:56 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm...@mywitsend.net> wrote:
>
> >Word.
>
> Actually, lack thereof. A vocabulary would be a great improvement in
> your search for some job that doesn't require you to say "Would you
> like fried with that?"
>
This is hilarious. "Would you like **fried** with that"??!! This from the
same guy who thinks Auerbach won rings before he got Russell.
Peter L
<Prince Albert in a Can> wrote in message
Unlike Auerbach, who won before he had Russell.
princealbertinacan
wrote:
>
>How's your
>credibility these days?
>
Quite good, actually. It's a been noted in several Courts of record.
How about you?
Alson Wong
> Pay Riley's already proven his worth. Not much outside of a stacked
> L.A. franchise.
In 1991, Riley took over a Knicks team that was 39-41 the previous season
and was swept by the Bulls in the first round of the playoffs. In his first
season, the Knicks were 51-31 and took the Bulls to six games in the second
round of the playoffs. Two years later, he took the Knicks within one basket
of the NBA title.
In 1995, Riley took over a Heat team that was 32-50 and missed the playoffs
the previous season. In his first season, the Heat was 42-40 and made the
playoffs. The next season, they were 61-21 and advanced to the ECF, where
they lost to the Bulls.
If this record is "not much," what is? Can you give us examples of other
coaches who were able take losing teams to the NBA Finals within three
years, or to the conference finals in two years with a 29-game improvement,
without getting lucky in the draft?
S. Smith
>On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:38:11 -0700, "Peter L" <pete...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>How's your
>>credibility these days?
>>
>
>Quite good, actually. It's a been noted in several Courts of record.
>How about you?
No, he wrote credibility, not *culpability*. ;-)
Chainsaw
Prince wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:00:56 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm...@mywitsend.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Word.
>
>
> Actually, lack thereof. A vocabulary would be a great improvement in
> your search for some job that doesn't require you to say "Would you
> like fried with that?"
Hey princess,
How does it feel to be bent over in front of EVER other
poster on this list?? You backside must be getting a bit
sore by now. But don't worry - I suspect you'll soon find
your way into pretty much everyone's killfile. Better
get used to the echo.
Chainsaw
Peter L wrote:
> <Prince Albert in a Can> wrote in message
> news:12cna0p5kgl98scaj...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:00:56 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm...@mywitsend.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Word.
>>
>>Actually, lack thereof. A vocabulary would be a great improvement in
>>your search for some job that doesn't require you to say "Would you
>>like fried with that?"
>>
>
>
> This is hilarious. "Would you like **fried** with that"??!! This from the
> same guy who thinks Auerbach won rings before he got Russell.
*lol* I didn't even notice that. princess is rapidly making
a case for ASBNLL Moron Of The Year. :-)
Exhibitionist
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:25:26 -0500, Prince Albert in a Can wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:38:11 -0700, "Peter L" <pete...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>How's your
>>>credibility these days?
>>>
>>
>>Quite good, actually. It's a been noted in several Courts of record.
>>How about you?
>
>No, he wrote credibility, not *culpability*. ;-)
>
>
I know the difference. Res Ipsa, motherfucker!
Exhibitionist
Which totals up to ZERO titles after the stacked L.A. team.
Same number *Jackson has when he doesn't have a stacked team.
...unless you want to count that laughable CBA thing others have
despirately cited as evidence of ability.
Exhibitionist
I suspect he'll only get used to the echo if he yells in your ear.
Alson Wong
news:e86oa0tvgdfkkv23m...@4ax.com...
Yes, it's zero titles, but taking a losing team from a losing record to
within one basket of a title in three years, and improving another team by
29 wins in two years, both without the benefit of getting lucky in the
draft, is a lot better than "not worth much." And the question I asked still
has yet to be answered.
Nate Burnett
right...which goes to shows, you kinda sorta need superstar players to win
championships
Sports Fan
>Rode the coat-tails of more grat players than any other coach in
>history. *Jackson, the most overrated coach ever!
Are you "dp"'s twin brother or something?
You sure are as annoying as him with your limited vocabulary and
whining.
KRUSTY@thereservation.com YAPAPI KRUSTY
"El Duderino" <duder...@holonet.com> wrote in message
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> We don't hate Phil Jackson, we hate Shaq (The Goon) O'Neil and Kobe
(the
> Rapist) Bryant
It's O'Neal, you hick moron.
Michael Fletcher
Peter L wrote:
>
> Didn't you claim Auerbach won a couple before he had Russell? How's your
> credibility these days?
Yep, that was him. Princess now -skirts- around the issue when it's
rubbed in her face.
--
MF
(-|8|-)
See L.A. for class
On March 21 in Los Angeles, former Celtics great (who broke the hearts
of many Lakers fans) Bill Russell had his picture on the scoreboard.
The fans gave him a long ovation.
The previous night, when it was announced that Shaq O'Neal scored his
20,000th point, the fans in Sacramento booed. Then, to make matters
worse, a the game ball was defaced, presumably by a Sacramento fan.
Clinton E. Parish
Sacramento
Rest in Peace, Francis Dayle "Chick" Hearn : 1916 - 2002
JC Martin
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Yeah, you're diggin' real deep....fool.
-JC
Chainsaw
Exhibitionist wrote:
Bad Chimpanzee! You've left a mess on the floor again. Back
to your cage.
Michael Fletcher
Jared476 wrote:
>>From: "eichler4" eich...@comcast.net
>
>
> lame stats snipped.
>
> He's a fraud, he only coaches teams with two of the Top 50 players of all time
> on them, because he knows if he had to coach a "regular" team he'd fall flat on
> his dorky face.
>
> Larry Brown coaching the Clippers to the playoffs (twice) is more impressive
> then anything Phil Jackson has ever done.
>
> Jackson wouldn't have the balls to accept a job with the Clippers in the first
> place, and if he did, he'd fail miserably.
>
> Phil Jackass is a conman, an opportunist, and a complete jerk.
I bet he could've taken the Queens past the Wolves.
Michael Fletcher
JC Martin wrote:
>>This statement only proves what a fucking idiot you are.
>>
>>Brown had Danny Manning, Ron Harper, Mark Jackson and Ken Norman in their
>>primes
>
>
> Manning and Norman were lightweights.
Huh?
Danny Manning put up 22.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.37 spg and 1.2 bpg in
92-93!!
Ken Norman put up 15.5 and 7.5 rebounds. Arguments about their
headspaces aside, they were putting up good numbers. That was a hell of
a roster, and there's no excuse for that team only winning 41 games.
http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=LAC&lg=N&yr=1992
Mark Jackson at 14.4 and 9 apg. Damn.
> No coach can work with that. Their
> careers went nowhere for good reason.
>
> -JC
Michael Fletcher
Brian Tung wrote:
> Jared wrote:
>
>>He's a fraud, he only coaches teams with two of the Top 50 players of
>>all time on them, because he knows if he had to coach a "regular" team
>>he'd fall flat on his dorky face.
>
>
> There's some truth to that,
How? On what do you base this?
>>Larry Brown coaching the Clippers to the playoffs (twice) is more
>>impressive then anything Phil Jackson has ever done.
>
>
> Actually, they're both impressive tasks, albeit for different reasons.
There was nothing overly impressive about coaching a team with this roster:
http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=LAC&lg=N&yr=1992
to 41 wins.
> It's the transitions on either end that are the toughies: taking the
> worst team in the league and making them a playoff team, and taking a
> middle-of-the-road playoff team and making them a champion. In either
> case, the step to be taken is a larger one, and a more definite one--you
> can hardly credit random jiggling for either one.
>
> Even so, I think the latter is the tougher one, for there's more than one
> playoff spot that a formerly poor team can vie for, but only one title.
> The competition must be fiercer for the title. Hardly anyone talks about
> missing their "window of opportunity" for making the playoffs.
Well said.
>
> That being said, just because it might be easier to take a bottom feeder
> and make a respectable team out of it doesn't mean that just anyone can
> do it. I have a gut feeling that Jackson would be merely mediocre at it,
> he would have next to no interest in it, and those two reasons are why he
> simply doesn't bother with run-of-the-mill teams. I'm sure he views
> himself as primarily a "finisher," so to speak.
I disagree. Whether or not he'd be enthused about the gig is another
thing -- but can you imagine a Jackson team that actually listened to
him? They'd play great defense and actually run his offense. They'd
probably be similar to today's Utah Jazz.
>
> It is inconsistent to argue against Jackson by way of his talent pool,
> yet neglect to explain how it is that that same talent failed to win
> before he arrived. Not to put too fine a point on it, one *also* cannot
> conclude from that pattern that he *is* the greatest coach ever, either.
Why not? He's always won when he was supposed to. The guy just doesn't
fail. When he's got a team that's supposed to win, that team always wins.
> Results are hard to judge by, in my opinion. There's just too much that
> is open to different explanations--depending on which axe you want to
> grind. The best way to evaluate a coach ought to be to judge them by how
> they actually coach...but I suspect that would be expecting too much of
> Usenet.
>
> My own off-the-cuff opinion is that Jackson is very good indeed at what
> he does--finish the job. Couldn't possibly venture an opinion about how
> he ranks with other greats, and I'm not sure how meaningful any such
> opinion would be, really.
I wonder how many coaches could lose Michael Jordan in his prime without
any compensation and then coach that same team to 55 wins and the
conference finals the very same season.
Michael Fletcher
Prince wrote:
>
> Hell, in the CBA if you've got one semi-decent NBA caliber player
> who's between gigs, you've got a championship. I'm not impressed.
No one cares. It takes Red Auerbach winning "several" titles before Bill
Russell arrives in Boston to impress you.
Michael Fletcher
Chris Smith wrote:
> In article <IkAqc.77378$iF6.6508494@attbi_s02>, "eichler4"
> <eich...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Phil Jackson, the greatest coach ever.
>
>
> Yeah, but Red Auerbach won titles even before Bill Russell! At least that's
> what Prince Albert is claiming.
Prince Albert said so!
Michael Fletcher
Prince wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:00:56 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm...@mywitsend.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Word.
>
>
> Actually, lack thereof. A vocabulary would be a great improvement in
> your search for some job that doesn't require you to say "Would you
> like fried with that?"
LOL!!!
This prince guy embarrasses himself before any of us get the chance to
do it for him.
>
>
>
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Michael Fletcher
Exhibitionist wrote:
>>How does it feel to be bent over in front of EVER other
>>poster on this list?? You backside must be getting a bit
>>sore by now. But don't worry - I suspect you'll soon find
>>your way into pretty much everyone's killfile. Better
>>get used to the echo.
>
> I suspect he'll only get used to the echo if he yells in your ear.
Will he be yelling about all of Red Auerbach's pre-Bill Russell titles?
Michael Fletcher
Prince wrote:
>
> Rode the coat-tails of more grat players than any other coach in
> history. *Jackson, the most overrated coach ever!
Unlike Red Auerbach who never had any talent on any of his teams. And he
_still_ managed to win numerous titles -- several before Bill Russell
arrived, in fact.
Michael Fletcher
Majaluk wrote:
> Ahhhhhhhh. Nothing like the sound of an ignorant, bitter fan.
Bitter?
>
> "eichler4" <eich...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>831-317 in the regular season for a .724 winning percentage. Unequalled
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> by
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>>any coach in NBA history
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>>25 consecutive playoff series wins. Unequalled by any coach in NBA
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> history
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>>9 titles, only equaled by one coach in NBA history
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>>162 playoff games won- Unequalled by any coach in NBA history
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>>41 playoff series won-Unequalled by any coach in NBA history
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>>Highest post season winning percentage of all time
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>>Took a Laker team that was swept out of the playoffs in consecutive years
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> to
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>>3 straight titles the year he arrived.
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>>Took a Bulls team that got killed in the playoffs every year and got them
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> 6
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>>titles in 8 years.
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>>All you haters out there keep drinking the haterade and ignoring the
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> facts.
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>>It's amazing how success breeds jealousy. Small minded people love to
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> tear
>
>>apart a winner. For most of you reading this, your team would have more
>>titles if he was your coach.
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>>Phil Jackson, the greatest coach ever.
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Michael Fletcher
Peter L wrote:
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> Your reading skill needs to be upgraded (say, from grade 2 to grade 3).
>
> I think Red Auerbach can out coach Jackson. After all, according to you,
> Red won a couple before he got Russell, right?
-BEFORE- he got Bill Russell, yes.
>
> Back to the can you go.
Michael Fletcher
Prince wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:03:36 -0700, "El Duderino"
> <duder...@holonet.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Let him
>>turn around the Clippers if he wants a real challenge.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, like he's really going to take a job where he as to *prove* he's
> a great coach. Don't hold your breath.
Most coaches don't have to *prove* they're great coaches. It's mostly
just luck. Now Red Auerbach on the other hand, that wasn't any luck.
Even before Bill Russell arrived, Auerbach had already won several titles.
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Brian Tung
> I disagree. Whether or not he'd be enthused about the gig is another
> thing -- but can you imagine a Jackson team that actually listened to
> him? They'd play great defense and actually run his offense. They'd
> probably be similar to today's Utah Jazz.
Well, OK, I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't think
they would be able to play great defense without a great one-on-one
defender. Today's Utah Jazz has, for example, Kirilenko. He doesn't
happen to be a great offensive player--good, but not great--but that's
enough.
However, the task I'm talking about is different--take a bunch of stiffs
and coach them to respectability. The Utah Jazz players are not a bunch
of stiffs. Not a great player among them, I don't think, but they're
not a bunch of stiffs.
> > It is inconsistent to argue against Jackson by way of his talent pool,
> > yet neglect to explain how it is that that same talent failed to win
> > before he arrived. Not to put too fine a point on it, one *also* cannot
> > conclude from that pattern that he *is* the greatest coach ever, either.
>
> Why not? He's always won when he was supposed to. The guy just doesn't
> fail. When he's got a team that's supposed to win, that team always wins.
Because winning is complicated. No one can look at a season and somehow
quantify: OK, coaching was 42 percent of that, the players were 58 percent,
and so on. It's not a science in that way. And especially when great
coaches are combined with great players, I just don't think you can easily
identify who's responsible for what success.
> I wonder how many coaches could lose Michael Jordan in his prime without
> any compensation and then coach that same team to 55 wins and the
> conference finals the very same season.
Did they make it to the conference finals? I thought they didn't make it
past the conference semifinals. If they did, that was a pretty good job.
Brian Tung <br...@isi.edu>
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Nate Burnett
"Peter L" <pete...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <Prince Albert in a Can> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:00:56 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm...@mywitsend.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Word.
> >
> > Actually, lack thereof. A vocabulary would be a great improvement in
> > your search for some job that doesn't require you to say "Would you
> > like fried with that?"
> >
>
the
> same guy who thinks Auerbach won rings before he got Russell.
>
no, wait! you're not getting it, he's being IRONIC... ;-)
Alson Wong
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> Did they make it to the conference finals? I thought they didn't make it
> past the conference semifinals. If they did, that was a pretty good job.
They lost in the conference semifinals to the Knicks in seven games. The
series turned on a Hue Hollins foul call on Pippen at the end of Game 5.
Brian Tung
> They lost in the conference semifinals to the Knicks in seven games. The
> series turned on a Hue Hollins foul call on Pippen at the end of Game 5.
Was that the series with the famous "Pippen Pout"? Or was that the next
year?
Alson Wong
> Was that the series with the famous "Pippen Pout"? Or was that the next
> year?
That was the series, in 1994.
JC Martin
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>
>
> JC Martin wrote:
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> >>This statement only proves what a fucking idiot you are.
> >>
> >>Brown had Danny Manning, Ron Harper, Mark Jackson and Ken Norman in
their
> >>primes
> >
> >
> > Manning and Norman were lightweights.
>
> Huh?
>
> Danny Manning put up 22.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.37 spg and 1.2 bpg in
> 92-93!!
>
> Ken Norman put up 15.5 and 7.5 rebounds. Arguments about their
> headspaces aside, they were putting up good numbers.
What did they do post-Clippers? Look, Joe Barry Carroll had good 'numbers'
years for the Warriors. Was he not a lightweight? If you play on a shitty
team, individual statistics can be inflated.
-JC
Jeff Mayner
Yeah, and every once in a while, a quarterback should just zing the ball
downfield, just to keep the defense "honest".
Right.
You _still_ make no sense.
Jeff
>
> -JC
Michael Fletcher
My bad, Brian.
Chainsaw
El Duderino wrote:
> We don't hate Phil Jackson, we hate Shaq (The Goon) O'Neil and Kobe (the
> Rapist) Bryant because of the media worship and arrogance. They are good
> players that handle themselves poorly and hurt the NBA with their image
> problems. It's just basketball. Get over yourselves. Phil Jackson is an
> opportunist who goes where he thinks he can succeed. I would too. Let him
> turn around the Clippers if he wants a real challenge.
Translation: we hate the Lakers because they win so much
of the time and are so popular, and we don't want anyone to
know that we're really just whining about it.
JC Martin
Happens all the time dumb shit. Did you play football? I did. And I can
still run your ass over. So step back son.
-JC
Jeff Mayner
Nope.
>Did you play football?
Sure.
I did. And
> I can still run your ass over.
Ya think?
>So step back son.
No.
>
> -JC
JC Martin
Yeah, sure is right.
> I did. And
> > I can still run your ass over.
>
> Ya think?
Yup.
> >So step back son.
>
> No.
I said now bitch!
-JC
*LOL*
Deep.
-JC