in article oYwj7.990$W97.505...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at laurance.k...@verizon.net wrote on 8/30/01 4:01 PM:
> Branden used a shill in our discusion. He made up a story about a big white > kid from Indiana that nobody questioned about his age. Turns out, there > really was a big white kid from Indiana in LL. Point is that he made it up, > to make his point. TROLLLLL....
> That's alright. I'll just have to take everything he says with a grain of > salt, until he redeems himself. That might take awhile though!
Never take anything I say at face value. I am a pathological liar. Everything I say is a lie. I am lying right now. -- Branden Wolner dewey_de...@netzero.net UMass Medical Center Worcester, Mass. -- Go Yankees!! 26 and Counting!!! On the Back-to-Back World Championship Lakers Basketball Network Go Giants!!! Thanks for the Ride!!!! Go Rangers! There's always next year!
> > > And maybe they already investigated him as well. But then, since he's > not > > > white, it wouldn't really support your "racist conspiracy" theory > > anyway... > > > You guys implied I had a hand in discovering the Baumet kid, which is > > > completely false, btw.
> > Jason. I'm not sure if you have any kids or not? If you do, do you enroll > > them into any you th programs? I first signed my son up for baseball in > 1997 > > when he was 7 years old. I have watched him and many of his peers develop > > physically and as ball players over these past several years. Why would I > > question a kid who I know attends the same school and is in the same grade > > as my own son?
> Right, but if it wasn't someone like that, would you perhaps question it, if > his skills stood out dramatically against what you were accustomed to.
> Let me ask you this: all else aside, would you have questioned Almonte's > age?
I didn't question it while I saw him pitching. If anything I questioned how his coaches could advocate him throwing sliders at that young an age. I know more than one 11-12 year-old kids who are 5'6" to 5'9" and weigh as much as Almonte. In a previous post I mentioned that my 2000 all-star team was dominated by a 6'1" 12 yr-old. I didn't question it then because I believe (and still do) that little league baseball does an outstanding job of verifying the eligibity of each player. As a manger I went through the process and was satisfied with the stringent standards. Besides a birth certificate, each players residence must also be validated with a utilty bill that contains the name of at least one parent. If the child is living with a gurdian, the guardian must present legal proof of custody.
Branden Wolner wrote in message ... >in article wHwj7.965$W97.486...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at >laurance.k...@verizon.net wrote on 8/30/01 3:43 PM:
>> bozak wrote in message >> <8Dwj7.7722$Fv3.617...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>>>>> Jared James Peccarelli at jared...@csd.uwm.edu wrote on 8/29/01 4:22 PM:
>>>>> Hey putz - why did you need to change the subject heading again? Are you >>>> too >>>>> ignorant to address the substance, so you change the surface?
>>>> Whoa... look who's talking about change ups!
>>>> You da man, there!
>>> man this is the second post in a row that ive opened up and you >>> are throwing down smack at branden... >>> sup wit dat??? not that i mind... >>> btw, your republican tendencies are showing... :-)
>> Branden tried to troll me yesterday. He's gotta pay the piper a bit.
>I trolled Jared - you just got caught up in the wake. When I troll, I troll >big. Sorry. Now bite me.
Not so fast. Go back and take a look. You posted that shill to me first.
Apology accepted and deserved! Now, bite a stem cell or somethin', Doctor!
Branden Wolner wrote in message ... >in article oYwj7.990$W97.505...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at >laurance.k...@verizon.net wrote on 8/30/01 4:01 PM:
>> Branden used a shill in our discusion. He made up a story about a big white >> kid from Indiana that nobody questioned about his age. Turns out, there >> really was a big white kid from Indiana in LL. Point is that he made it up, >> to make his point. TROLLLLL....
>> That's alright. I'll just have to take everything he says with a grain of >> salt, until he redeems himself. That might take awhile though!
>Never take anything I say at face value. I am a pathological liar. >Everything I say is a lie. I am lying right now.
lol, so you didn't get that mil+ research grant? Steven will be happy!
> > > > And maybe they already investigated him as well. But then, since he's > > not > > > > white, it wouldn't really support your "racist conspiracy" theory > > > anyway... > > > > You guys implied I had a hand in discovering the Baumet kid, which is > > > > completely false, btw.
> > > Jason. I'm not sure if you have any kids or not? If you do, do you > enroll > > > them into any you th programs? I first signed my son up for baseball in > > 1997 > > > when he was 7 years old. I have watched him and many of his peers > develop > > > physically and as ball players over these past several years. Why would > I > > > question a kid who I know attends the same school and is in the same > grade > > > as my own son?
> > Right, but if it wasn't someone like that, would you perhaps question it, > if > > his skills stood out dramatically against what you were accustomed to.
> > Let me ask you this: all else aside, would you have questioned Almonte's > > age?
> I didn't question it while I saw him pitching. If anything I questioned how > his coaches could advocate him throwing sliders at that young an age. I know > more than one 11-12 year-old kids who are 5'6" to 5'9" and weigh as much as > Almonte. In a previous post I mentioned that my 2000 all-star team was > dominated by a 6'1" 12 yr-old. I didn't question it then because I believe > (and still do) that little league baseball does an outstanding job of > verifying the eligibity of each player. As a manger I went through the > process and was satisfied with the stringent standards. Besides a birth > certificate, each players residence must also be validated with a utilty > bill that contains the name of at least one parent. If the child is living > with a gurdian, the guardian must present legal proof of custody.
Aside from the dangers of throwing sliders at that age, didn't you find it the least bit odd that he was able to throw that hard? In all your years of involvement with LL, have you ever seen a kid throw that hard?
> > > > > And maybe they already investigated him as well. But then, since > he's > > > not > > > > > white, it wouldn't really support your "racist conspiracy" theory > > > > anyway... > > > > > You guys implied I had a hand in discovering the Baumet kid, which > is > > > > > completely false, btw.
> > > > Jason. I'm not sure if you have any kids or not? If you do, do you > > enroll > > > > them into any you th programs? I first signed my son up for baseball > in > > > 1997 > > > > when he was 7 years old. I have watched him and many of his peers > > develop > > > > physically and as ball players over these past several years. Why > would > > I > > > > question a kid who I know attends the same school and is in the same > > grade > > > > as my own son?
> > > Right, but if it wasn't someone like that, would you perhaps question > it, > > if > > > his skills stood out dramatically against what you were accustomed to.
> > > Let me ask you this: all else aside, would you have questioned > Almonte's > > > age?
> > I didn't question it while I saw him pitching. If anything I questioned > how > > his coaches could advocate him throwing sliders at that young an age. I > know > > more than one 11-12 year-old kids who are 5'6" to 5'9" and weigh as much > as > > Almonte. In a previous post I mentioned that my 2000 all-star team was > > dominated by a 6'1" 12 yr-old. I didn't question it then because I believe > > (and still do) that little league baseball does an outstanding job of > > verifying the eligibity of each player. As a manger I went through the > > process and was satisfied with the stringent standards. Besides a birth > > certificate, each players residence must also be validated with a utilty > > bill that contains the name of at least one parent. If the child is living > > with a gurdian, the guardian must present legal proof of custody.
> Aside from the dangers of throwing sliders at that age, didn't you find it > the least bit odd that he was able to throw that hard? In all your years of > involvement with LL, have you ever seen a kid throw that hard?
Yes, I think. The 12 year old that struck out 15 of my hitters (only allowed one hit - a blooper over second base) last year threw at least 70 mph. Unfortunatetly, I did not have have access to a pitching machine. The local batting cages will not crank their 46 foot cages higher than 60 mph for insurance reasons. Another league cranked their pitching machine to 75 mph for batting practice the day before they faced him. They knocked out 3 homers in the first two innings and the kid was relieved during the 3rd inning. That pitcher (from Bellflower btw) only threw fastballs though. I did not see Almonte in person, so I can't say for sure that he was significantly faster than any other 12 year old I've seen. It wasn't so much his speed, but more the command of multiple pitches that amazed me about him. His breaking stuff was awesome. Never seen anything like it in little league before. Most kids at that age hang their breaking balls. Almonte didn't. I just assumed he was an American born kid with an American BC until the story broke.
> > > > > > And maybe they already investigated him as well. But then, since > > he's > > > > not > > > > > > white, it wouldn't really support your "racist conspiracy" theory > > > > > anyway... > > > > > > You guys implied I had a hand in discovering the Baumet kid, which > > is > > > > > > completely false, btw.
> > > > > Jason. I'm not sure if you have any kids or not? If you do, do you > > > enroll > > > > > them into any you th programs? I first signed my son up for baseball > > in > > > > 1997 > > > > > when he was 7 years old. I have watched him and many of his peers > > > develop > > > > > physically and as ball players over these past several years. Why > > would > > > I > > > > > question a kid who I know attends the same school and is in the same > > > grade > > > > > as my own son?
> > > > Right, but if it wasn't someone like that, would you perhaps question > > it, > > > if > > > > his skills stood out dramatically against what you were accustomed to.
> > > > Let me ask you this: all else aside, would you have questioned > > Almonte's > > > > age?
> > > I didn't question it while I saw him pitching. If anything I questioned > > how > > > his coaches could advocate him throwing sliders at that young an age. I > > know > > > more than one 11-12 year-old kids who are 5'6" to 5'9" and weigh as > much > > as > > > Almonte. In a previous post I mentioned that my 2000 all-star team was > > > dominated by a 6'1" 12 yr-old. I didn't question it then because I > believe > > > (and still do) that little league baseball does an outstanding job of > > > verifying the eligibity of each player. As a manger I went through the > > > process and was satisfied with the stringent standards. Besides a birth > > > certificate, each players residence must also be validated with a utilty > > > bill that contains the name of at least one parent. If the child is > living > > > with a gurdian, the guardian must present legal proof of custody.
> > Aside from the dangers of throwing sliders at that age, didn't you find it > > the least bit odd that he was able to throw that hard? In all your years > of > > involvement with LL, have you ever seen a kid throw that hard?
> Yes, I think. The 12 year old that struck out 15 of my hitters (only allowed > one hit - a blooper over second base) last year threw at least 70 mph. > Unfortunatetly, I did not have have access to a pitching machine. The local > batting cages will not crank their 46 foot cages higher than 60 mph for > insurance reasons. Another league cranked their pitching machine to 75 mph > for batting practice the day before they faced him. They knocked out 3 > homers in the first two innings and the kid was relieved during the 3rd > inning. That pitcher (from Bellflower btw) only threw fastballs though. I > did not see Almonte in person, so I can't say for sure that he was > significantly faster than any other 12 year old I've seen. It wasn't so much > his speed, but more the command of multiple pitches that amazed me about > him. His breaking stuff was awesome. Never seen anything like it in little > league before. Most kids at that age hang their breaking balls. Almonte > didn't. I just assumed he was an American born kid with an American BC until > the story broke.
"Never seen anything like it in little league before."
I think this is why there was an investigation to begin with.
in article ocxj7.1044$W97.523...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at laurance.k...@verizon.net wrote on 8/30/01 4:18 PM:
> Not so fast. Go back and take a look. You posted that shill to me first.
> Apology accepted and deserved! Now, bite a stem cell or somethin', Doctor!
I'll buy you a beer at the next ng party I can make. -- Branden Wolner dewey_de...@netzero.net UMass Medical Center Worcester, Mass. -- Go Yankees!! 26 and Counting!!! On the Back-to-Back World Championship Lakers Basketball Network Go Giants!!! Thanks for the Ride!!!! Go Rangers! There's always next year!
> Branden Wolner wrote in message ... >> in article oYwj7.990$W97.505...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at >> laurance.k...@verizon.net wrote on 8/30/01 4:01 PM:
>>> Branden used a shill in our discusion. He made up a story about a big > white >>> kid from Indiana that nobody questioned about his age. Turns out, there >>> really was a big white kid from Indiana in LL. Point is that he made it > up, >>> to make his point. TROLLLLL....
>>> That's alright. I'll just have to take everything he says with a grain of >>> salt, until he redeems himself. That might take awhile though!
>> Never take anything I say at face value. I am a pathological liar. >> Everything I say is a lie. I am lying right now.
> lol, so you didn't get that mil+ research grant? Steven will be happy!
LOL - I wish. It's 3 years, 105K. -- Branden Wolner dewey_de...@netzero.net UMass Medical Center Worcester, Mass. -- Go Yankees!! 26 and Counting!!! On the Back-to-Back World Championship Lakers Basketball Network Go Giants!!! Thanks for the Ride!!!! Go Rangers! There's always next year!
Branden Wolner wrote in message ... >in article ocxj7.1044$W97.523...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net, Laurance at >laurance.k...@verizon.net wrote on 8/30/01 4:18 PM:
>> Not so fast. Go back and take a look. You posted that shill to me first.
>> Apology accepted and deserved! Now, bite a stem cell or somethin', Doctor!
>I'll buy you a beer at the next ng party I can make.
>-- >Branden Wolner >dewey_de...@netzero.net >UMass Medical Center >Worcester, Mass. >-- >Go Yankees!! 26 and Counting!!! >On the Back-to-Back World Championship Lakers Basketball Network >Go Giants!!! Thanks for the Ride!!!! >Go Rangers! There's always next year!
> "Branden Wolner" <dewey_deweyNOS...@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:B7B3F8CE.190B8%dewey_deweyNOSPAM@netzero.net... > > in article 68vj7.198482$rV6.9666...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com, Ironside > at > > old_irons...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX wrote on 8/30/01 2:02 PM:
> > > "Branden Wolner" <dewey_deweyNOS...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > > news:B7B3EE1B.19090%dewey_deweyNOSPAM@netzero.net... > > >> in article xUjj7.194494$rV6.9403...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com, > Ironside > > > at > > >> MAPSONold_irons...@NOSPAMhotmail.comMAPSON wrote on 8/30/01 1:15 AM:
> > >>> "Branden Wolner" <dewey_deweyNOS...@netzero.net> wrote in message > > >>> news:B7B2C133.18FBC%dewey_deweyNOSPAM@netzero.net... > > >>>> So here's the real question. We know the 1987 BC was filed in 1994. > > > When > > >>> was > > >>>> the 1989 BC filed and why would anyone wait 7 years to file any BC?
> > >>> The 1989 BC was filed late last year just before Danny and his father > > > left > > >>> the country.
> > >>> Here's an official statement from Little League baseball:
> > >> So do you think that LL, Inc should be punished for being duped? The > > > team's > > >> coach? The R. Paulino league? Who is to blame here other than the > father? > > >> --
> > > I'm still not sure if Almonte is a ringer. But if he is then the father > is > > > certainly to blame. I'll tell you what might happen, though. If it is > proven > > > that Almonte is too old, I wouldn't be surprised if the other leagues > in > > > the same district as R. Paulino band together and threaten to boycott > their > > > district all-star tournament if R. Paulino is allowed to participate. If > all > > > the leagues stuck together, they could get R. Paulino blackballed from > the > > > post season.
> > But is that fair?
> It's not a matter of being fair. It's a matter of the parents (who run the > leagues) saying to the R. Paulino league "we won't participate if you do". > That would force the district administrator and the regional LL officers to > either 1) give the district title to R. Paulino or 2) dismiss the entire > district from the post season or 3) blackball R. Paulino. My gues is that #3 > would be the course.
> > I'd be willing to bet that every league in NYC (or any > > other bog city for that matter) has at least a couple of overage kids. > It's > > just ridiculous - take away the corporate sponsorship and network coverage > > and the pressure to "win at all costs" would drop a lot.
> Bullshit, win at all cost is the result of out of control egos, not sponsor > money.
And what causes out of control egos? Money and power. It takes a principled (there's that word again) man to react differently. Unfortunately, even those who think they are principled aren't really. A principled man does not just look out for themselves and their clan. They look out for the good of all...they are progressive people, not ones who use race or stereotypes to make points.
> And what causes out of control egos? Money and power.
They don't call you just clueless for nothing. I've seen wealthy men use their money to buy influence in other leagues. But they did it for the glory.
> It takes a > principled (there's that word again) man to react differently. > Unfortunately, even those who think they are principled aren't really. A > principled man does not just look out for themselves and their clan. They > look out for the good of all...they are progressive people, not ones who use > race or stereotypes to make points.
You da man JC. But you're still clueless. I'm not surprised you missed the point. Just a little advice, though. If you should ever pass on those tainted genes of yours, and if you happen to have a son, If you live in a diverse area and sign your son up in a league that is completely dominated by people of a singular nationality, find another league. Your son will not be treated fairly.
> "Ironside" <old_irons...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message > Funny > thing is, once I started doing those things, my teams have won a lot > > more.
> So how did your ego become inflated? Insecurity? Bad marriage? Poor > upbringing? Money? What?
Not sure. How did you become such a fucking moron? Besides the obvious dyslexia, did your mom drop you too?
> They don't call you just clueless for nothing. I've seen wealthy men use > their money to buy influence in other leagues. But they did it for the > glory.
> > It takes a > > principled (there's that word again) man to react differently. > > Unfortunately, even those who think they are principled aren't really. A > > principled man does not just look out for themselves and their clan. They > > look out for the good of all...they are progressive people, not ones who > use > > race or stereotypes to make points.
> You da man JC. But you're still clueless. I'm not surprised you missed the > point. Just a little advice, though. If you should ever pass on those > tainted genes of yours, and if you happen to have a son, If you live in a > diverse area and sign your son up in a league that is completely dominated > by people of a singular nationality, find another league. Your son will not > be treated fairly.
No shit Shirley. Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why that is buddy.
> > "Ironside" <old_irons...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message > Funny > > thing is, once I started doing those things, my teams have won a lot > > > more.
> > So how did your ego become inflated? Insecurity? Bad marriage? Poor > > upbringing? Money? What?
> Not sure. How did you become such a fucking moron?
The idea of you calling me a moron or clueless carries little weight given your utter stupidity about most subjects known to man. You're easily one of the most narrow-minded people I've ever seen on Usenet.
>Besides the obvious > dyslexia, did your mom drop you too?
> > > "Ironside" <old_irons...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message > > Funny > > > thing is, once I started doing those things, my teams have won a lot > > > > more.
> > > So how did your ego become inflated? Insecurity? Bad marriage? Poor > > > upbringing? Money? What?
> > Not sure. How did you become such a fucking moron?
> The idea of you calling me a moron or clueless carries little weight given > your utter stupidity about most subjects known to man. You're easily one of > the most narrow-minded people I've ever seen on Usenet.
Uh, JC... just about everyone in here has called you a moron at least once.
> >Besides the obvious > > dyslexia, did your mom drop you too?
> > They don't call you just clueless for nothing. I've seen wealthy men use > > their money to buy influence in other leagues. But they did it for the > > glory.
> > > It takes a > > > principled (there's that word again) man to react differently. > > > Unfortunately, even those who think they are principled aren't really. > A > > > principled man does not just look out for themselves and their clan. > They > > > look out for the good of all...they are progressive people, not ones who > > use > > > race or stereotypes to make points.
> > You da man JC. But you're still clueless. I'm not surprised you missed the > > point. Just a little advice, though. If you should ever pass on those > > tainted genes of yours, and if you happen to have a son, If you live in a > > diverse area and sign your son up in a league that is completely dominated > > by people of a singular nationality, find another league. Your son will > not > > be treated fairly.
> No shit Shirley. Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why that is > buddy.
Like I said before JC, the league which I ran sent all-star teams to tournaments that represented my community ethnically and economically. I didn't need to pull a quota on my coaches. You see, if you drive to the kids home and get them to practice, they all have an equal chance to become ballplayers. So regardless of what you think of me, I've developed baseball and basketball players of multi-ethnicities. So go fuck yourself JC.
---------- I respect a KKK member more than I respect the likes of Ironfool. At least the KKK folks are honest with themselves.
-JC Moron
I even have a few friends who are right-wing Christian conservative types.
-JC Moron
You'll have to talk to my wife about that. There's more than one way to milk a cow.
> > > > "Ironside" <old_irons...@NOSPAMhotmal.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message > > > Funny > > > > thing is, once I started doing those things, my teams have won a lot > > > > > more.
> > > > So how did your ego become inflated? Insecurity? Bad marriage? Poor > > > > upbringing? Money? What?
> > > Not sure. How did you become such a fucking moron?
> > The idea of you calling me a moron or clueless carries little weight given > > your utter stupidity about most subjects known to man. You're easily one > of > > the most narrow-minded people I've ever seen on Usenet.
> Uh, JC... just about everyone in here has called you a moron at least
once.
Prove it lardy. I think you take the cake for making a fool out of yourself on Usenet.
> > >Besides the obvious > > > dyslexia, did your mom drop you too?
> > Would Mr. Wooden approve porn-lard?
> Do you think I really care?
Then why don't you spare us your hypocritical idealogy?
> You're easily one of > the most narrow-minded people I've ever seen on Usenet.
... and if it wasn't for me, what reason would you have to even post to Usenet dickhead. It's a fact that 90% of your posts are either in response to me or about me. Even when I don't post for weeks, you still can't take your mind off me. You know I don't like homos, so forget it JC, you've got no chance.
I hope Bry keeps you in mind the next time names the stupidest following bitch of the year.
> Then why don't you spare us your hypocritical idealogy?
No one forces you to read it. Why don't you admit it, you can't wait for my next post. You live for my next post. Poor Jenifer. She really married quite a loser, didn't she?
> > > They don't call you just clueless for nothing. I've seen wealthy men > use > > > their money to buy influence in other leagues. But they did it for the > > > glory.
> > > > It takes a > > > > principled (there's that word again) man to react differently. > > > > Unfortunately, even those who think they are principled aren't really. > > A > > > > principled man does not just look out for themselves and their clan. > > They > > > > look out for the good of all...they are progressive people, not ones > who > > > use > > > > race or stereotypes to make points.
> > > You da man JC. But you're still clueless. I'm not surprised you missed > the > > > point. Just a little advice, though. If you should ever pass on those > > > tainted genes of yours, and if you happen to have a son, If you live in > a > > > diverse area and sign your son up in a league that is completely > dominated > > > by people of a singular nationality, find another league. Your son will > > not > > > be treated fairly.
> > No shit Shirley. Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why that is > > buddy.
> Like I said before JC, the league which I ran sent all-star teams to > tournaments that represented my community ethnically and economically. I > didn't need to pull a quota on my coaches. You see, if you drive to the kids > home and get them to practice, they all have an equal chance to become > ballplayers. So regardless of what you think of me, I've developed baseball > and basketball players of multi-ethnicities. So go fuck yourself JC.
Oh, you're so fucking special. Like this is supposed to excuse your ignorance. You act like you're so special. There's 15 Dads involved in Little League on my block. And you're telling me they are tolerant because of such participation? Gimme a break!
> ---------- > I respect a KKK member more than I respect the likes of Ironfool. At least > the KKK folks are honest with themselves.
> -JC Moron
> I even have a few friends who are right-wing Christian conservative types.
> -JC Moron
> You'll have to talk to my wife about that. There's more than one way to > milk a cow.
*LMAO*
Is that all you got? How pathetic.
I'll spare you your own ignorant posts. Even in context, your posts approach highest form of stupidity and ignorance known to man.
-JC
PS: I must really get under your skin that you've saved the same lines for well over a year now.
> ... and if it wasn't for me, what reason would you have to even post to > Usenet dickhead. It's a fact that 90% of your posts are either in response > to me or about me. Even when I don't post for weeks, you still can't take > your mind off me. You know I don't like homos, so forget it JC, you've got > no chance.
What an outstanding citizen your are. *L*
> I hope Bry keeps you in mind the next time names the stupidest following > bitch of the year.
I enjoy calling you on your foolishness and stupidity. What can I say? I'm weak! *L* One thing I know for sure...I've definitely bitched your ass.
