Legal expert says info helps defense
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Another friend of the accuser, identified as Lindsey McKinney, said
she believes the overdose was intentional, the Orange County Register
reported Sunday. But Scriver said that's not the case.
"She's not suicidal," the 19-year- old told The Denver Post on Sunday.
"I know that she's a happy person. It's not a cry for help."
Regardless of whether the overdose was intentional, the revelation is
a big advantage for Bryant's defense team, said Craig Silverman, a
Denver trial lawyer.
"This is a dream come true for Kobe Bryant. It equips the defense with
a weapon of mass destruction," said the former Denver chief deputy
district attorney. "Most people who take pills do it intentionally. If
there's somebody who's forcing the pills down your throat, it's a
different story."
Silverman said the fact that the woman reportedly took pills after a
romantic relationship failed will also work to the defense's advantage
because it shows she can respond irrationally to problems with men.
Added to that is the fact that the woman didn't report the incident
until later the next day, Silverman said.
"Normally, the defense would get nowhere arguing that a victim injured
herself," he said, "but when you have an alleged suicide attempt two
months prior, that argument becomes viable."
Another of the alleged victim's close friends, who asked not to be
identified, said Bryant's accuser was disgusted by the basketball
star's tearful public address hours after he was charged with sexually
assaulting her.
"It made her sick to her stomach," said the 18-year-old friend,
neighbor and former classmate. "Especially after coming out and saying
he was so sure that nothing would happen."
"She watches all of it," the friend said. "There is not much else she
can do."
The friend said Bryant's accuser was on duty at work when he arrived
at Cordillera on June 30. A concierge at the upscale lodge, she showed
Bryant to his room and led him on a tour of the lodge, the friend
said. Bryant acted "really cool" during the tour, the friend said the
alleged victim told her.
Scriver said she talks to her friend regularly and the two have
discussed the incident, but she did not give many details. She did
say, however, that she heard that Bryant invited the alleged victim up
to his hotel room.
"She doesn't just put herself in tough situations. Any girl would have
gone up there; I would have gone," Scriver said. "She probably
thought, 'Wow, I'm going to meet this famous guy, talk to him, tell my
friends about it.' I don't think she had intentions of anything else."
"If she's guilty of anything, I think it's just being too trusting.
Kobe is very charming and handsome, and it's easy for a 19-year- old
to get swept away by that," Renee Scriver said. "I hear my daughter
say, 'I would have gone up to his room,' and I think, 'I thought I
taught you better."'
Matt
> romantic relationship failed will also work to the defense's advantage
> because it shows she can respond irrationally to problems with men.
> Added to that is the fact that the woman didn't report the incident
> until later the next day, Silverman said.
She does irrational things when rejected by men...hmmmmmm
> "Normally, the defense would get nowhere arguing that a victim injured
> herself," he said, "but when you have an alleged suicide attempt two
> months prior, that argument becomes viable."
Definately leaves some reasonable doubt
> Another of the alleged victim's close friends, who asked not to be
> identified, said Bryant's accuser was disgusted by the basketball
> star's tearful public address hours after he was charged with sexually
> assaulting her.
Enough to pop some more pills??
> "It made her sick to her stomach," said the 18-year-old friend,
> neighbor and former classmate. "Especially after coming out and saying
> he was so sure that nothing would happen."
Ohh, not because she was raped but because he denied being with
her....Well, OK now we all know you had sex with an All-Star NBA
player...Happy?
> "She watches all of it," the friend said. "There is not much else she
> can do."
Of course she does..'If only 'American Idol' could see some
potential..' Cry me a river.
> "She doesn't just put herself in tough situations. Any girl would have
> gone up there; I would have gone," Scriver said. "She probably
> thought, 'Wow, I'm going to meet this famous guy, talk to him, tell my
> friends about it.'
And alot of girls would have consensual sex with Kobe too...
> "If she's guilty of anything, I think it's just being too trusting.
> Kobe is very charming and handsome, and it's easy for a 19-year- old
> to get swept away by that,"
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEELLLLOOOO!!!!! Swept away by a charming and
handsome guy!!!!
Marcus Kwan
<Bush...@Bigtime.com> wrote:
>On 21 Jul 2003 11:40:50 -0700, mmorg...@earthlink.net (Matt) wrote:
>
>>> Silverman said the fact that the woman reportedly took pills after a
>>> romantic relationship failed will also work to the defense's advantage
>>> because it shows she can respond irrationally to problems with men.
>>> Added to that is the fact that the woman didn't report the incident
>>> until later the next day, Silverman said.
>>
>>She does irrational things when rejected by men...hmmmmmm
>>
>
>I find it a bit disingenuous that people keep conveniently leaving out
>that the pill episode was not solely a result of a bad relationship.
>That in fact in the same week she had also lost a very close friend in
>an automobile accident. But then by being honest you'd have to admit
>that the pills might not have a damned thing to do with the boyfriend,
>and more to do with the loss of the friend. After all, boyfriends can
>be replaced, a dead friend can't.
Some reports indicate the OD episode occurred before the friends
death.
JWC
is ripe with illicit drugs.
Primate
news:88johvoeb65mtnph6...@4ax.com...
> >> romantic relationship failed will also work to the defense's advantage
> >> because it shows she can respond irrationally to problems with men.
> >> Added to that is the fact that the woman didn't report the incident
> >> until later the next day, Silverman said.
> >
> >She does irrational things when rejected by men...hmmmmmm
> >
>
> that the pill episode was not solely a result of a bad relationship.
> That in fact in the same week she had also lost a very close friend in
> an automobile accident. But then by being honest you'd have to admit
> that the pills might not have a damned thing to do with the boyfriend,
> and more to do with the loss of the friend. After all, boyfriends can
> be replaced, a dead friend can't.
Except that it was pointed out earlier that she overdosed several weeks
before her friend died in the car accident.
-P
Gary Collard
> >> romantic relationship failed will also work to the defense's advantage
> >> because it shows she can respond irrationally to problems with men.
> >> Added to that is the fact that the woman didn't report the incident
> >> until later the next day, Silverman said.
> >
> >She does irrational things when rejected by men...hmmmmmm
> >
>
> that the pill episode was not solely a result of a bad relationship.
> That in fact in the same week she had also lost a very close friend in
> an automobile accident. But then by being honest you'd have to admit
> that the pills might not have a damned thing to do with the boyfriend,
> and more to do with the loss of the friend. After all, boyfriends can
> be replaced, a dead friend can't.
The pill episode was BEFORE the death of the friend, see the article posted
earlier today.
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Gary Collard
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coll...@earthlink.net
"I finally stopped asking 'What Would Jesus Do?' when I realized the
answers were coming in first-century Aramaic. Fat lot of good *that*
did me!" -- Mark Spence
Gary Collard
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:05:33 GMT, Gary Collard
> <garyc...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >Laughing at Bush wrote:
> >>
> >> On 21 Jul 2003 11:40:50 -0700, mmorg...@earthlink.net (Matt) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Silverman said the fact that the woman reportedly took pills after a
> >> >> romantic relationship failed will also work to the defense's advantage
> >> >> because it shows she can respond irrationally to problems with men.
> >> >> Added to that is the fact that the woman didn't report the incident
> >> >> until later the next day, Silverman said.
> >> >
> >> >She does irrational things when rejected by men...hmmmmmm
> >> >
> >>
> >> I find it a bit disingenuous that people keep conveniently leaving out
> >> that the pill episode was not solely a result of a bad relationship.
> >> That in fact in the same week she had also lost a very close friend in
> >> an automobile accident. But then by being honest you'd have to admit
> >> that the pills might not have a damned thing to do with the boyfriend,
> >> and more to do with the loss of the friend. After all, boyfriends can
> >> be replaced, a dead friend can't.
> >
> >
> >The pill episode was BEFORE the death of the friend, see the article posted
> >earlier today.
>
> it, and every one of them say it wasn't. That two days after the pill
> incident (Tylenol PM's) she sang at her friends funeral.
More conflicting info then, who knows.
Shaquille111
held on 5 June (see below). We can't tell when the suicide attempt was because
Sheriff Buford Doofus won't release the tapes.
Nicole Lia Clements, 1985-2003
Daily staff report
Nicole Lia Clements went to heaven on Sunday, June 1 at the tender young age of
18 years.
Her interests included drawing, painting, dancing, dance instructing, playing
the flute, theatrics as both a performer and musician, traveling and a genuine
love for life.
She was involved with such organizations as the Vail Valley Academy of Dance,
Eagle Valley Dance Academy, Summit School of Dance, Eagle Valley High School
performing arts, band and choir, Eagle Valley High School art teachers
assistance, and the Anointed Christian Fellowship.
Surviving family members include parents John and Debra Clements, brothers Nate
and Ross and sister Kendra of Eagle; grandparents Tom and Marion Clements of
Mankato, Minnesota and Arnie and Eileen Wadekamper also of Mankato; aunts and
uncles Terry Clements of Seattle, Washington; Paul and Chris Clements of
Cincinnati, Ohio; Tom and Molly Clements of Houston, Texas; Bob and Trudi
Clements of Mankato; Mark and Jodi Wadekamper of Mankato, and Blaine "Woody"
Wadekamper of Edwards. She also has 11 cousins and many great aunts and uncles.
Memorial services will be held at the Eagle Pavilion on Thursday, June 5 for a
5 p.m. gathering with a 6 p.m. celebration.
In lieu of flowers, a memorial fund has been established. Please send
contributions to the Nicole Clements Memorial Fund care of the First Bank of
Avon, P.O. Box 5270, Avon, Co 81620
Gary Collard
to hear the bogus argument that her suicide attempt was related to the
death of her friend, at least here. The media might still get it wrong,
however.
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