Text of Bryant statement
s_knight8
N0bQ--?slug=ap-bryantcase-statement&prov=ap&type=lgns
Text of Kobe Bryant's statement read in court by his attorney, Pamela
Mackey:
``I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been
incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has
had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members,
and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle,
Colo.
Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I
recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way
I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and
even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did
not consent to this encounter.
I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case
ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me
will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the
parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial
or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.''
tjab
saved92
"s_knight8" > wrote in message >
> ``I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
> consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has
been
> incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she
has
> had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members,
> and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle,
> Colo.
>
> Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I
> recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same
way
> I did.
If this is truly his statement, then he is a fool.....He should have simply
stated "I have said I was innocent all along". Now he recognizes she views
it different? All she wants is your money Kobe....THINK!!!
Sports Fan
Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face, and
on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
Aluckyguess
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Osama Bin Bush
asap against the state of colorado. If you really did rape her, then
dont sue.
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and neither do we," President george bush (AKA president dumb dumb)
tjab
Aluckyguess <no...@lakers.com> wrote:
>Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in jail.
He'd look pretty stupid doing that after he apologized to her.
Nexus
It was agreed that Bryant's statement could not be used in any civil suit.
Chas
> Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face, and
> on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
He admitted it.
He apologized for it.
He knows the civil case goes forward on the evidence.
Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
Chas
Don Tiberone
news:Sb2dnQhXtOu...@comcast.com...
What evidence? Even the prosecution's own HIRED expert said their evidence
was weak. Meanwhile, the prosecution's own CBI is testifying for the
defense. Basically TWO experts from the prosecution switched sides.
He refused to plea to a lesser charge. However, a simple statement, written
by his lawyers was enough to get the case tossed.
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Offshore Eddie
He obviously just said that as part of the agreement to drop the criminal
case. And his statement says that he did NOT know the sex was NOT
consensual. He just said that he has now realized she didn't think it was
consensual, meaning she probably didn't like him ejaculating on her face.
Who cares. Never should have been a case at all.
agakhan
wrote:
>It was agreed that Bryant's statement could not be used in any civil suit.
>
how do you know this?
Nexus
You are a sad pathetic deluded dumbass aren't you...
Chas: "the civil case goes forward on the evidence"
Thanks for the laugh loser.
Miguel M
Chas wrote:
He admitted what? He maintained that the encounter was consentual.
VicXnews
news:ja4dj0h7equ471d00...@4ax.com:
I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.
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Chas
>> He admitted it.
>> He apologized for it.
>> He knows the civil case goes forward on the evidence.
>> Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
> He obviously just said that as part of the agreement to drop the criminal
> case.
Sure.
He had to apologize.
> And his statement says that he did NOT know the sex was NOT
> consensual.
But now he knows that she thought it wasn't, and since it was her consent in
question, he's just sorry as he can be.
yeah.
> He just said that he has now realized she didn't think it was
> consensual, meaning she probably didn't like him ejaculating on her face.
Gee; and you'd think that it would have to be pretty obvious for someone to
give consent to that- degradation being so appealing and all.
Chas
Chas
>> He admitted it.
>> He apologized for it.
>> He knows the civil case goes forward on the evidence.
>> Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
> He admitted what? He maintained that the encounter was consentual.
He maintained that he never formed the mens rea for the crime; he thought
she consented and then realized that she had not.
He confirmed her sincerity in the charge; thanked Jesus for getting the hell
out of there and looked forward to settling the civil case.
Good plan.
Chas
Chas
> I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
> young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
> this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.
The civil case will be quietly settled with a large check for the
'misunderstanding', and Kobe will be $40M lighter, between the Defense, his
old lady, and the settlement.
Chas
Nexus
A good plan would be for you to crawl back under the rock you came from
before you look any more pathetic and deluded...
Don Tiberone
He hasn't confirmed anything. His lawyers just said his statements were a
condition for her dropping out of the case. And now Jim Gray, who has
covered Kobe since he was in high school, is saying that Kobe won't settle
with her.
agakhan
is that "de post facto", cheezy? dream on, loser.
Viker 44
>Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in jail.
Zero chance he does that..... didn't you read his statement??? He's a sell
out and he's going to pay her off....... bottom line is he now resides in the
"punk" category of NBA stars..... end of discussion........
Viker 44
>Kobe, if you are really innocent, your fans will expect you to file suit
>asap against the state of colorado. If you really did rape her, then
>dont sue.
Methinks you need to reread his apology... no way on earth can he sue her
now..... face it, he's pulled a Michael Jackson sell out/buy off........
Don Tiberone
news:20040902001656...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >From: "Aluckyguess"
>
> >Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in jail.
>
> Zero chance he does that..... didn't you read his statement??? He's a
sell
> out and he's going to pay her off.......
According to Jim Gray, he's not going to pay her.
Viker 44
>> >From: "Aluckyguess"
>> >Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in jail.
>> Zero chance he does that..... didn't you read his statement??? He's a
>sell
>> out and he's going to pay her off.......
>According to Jim Gray, he's not going to pay her.
Come on Knight..... Gray??? give me a break, we've been here too long for
that to fly.....
Cyclonejane
"Don Tiberone" <DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote in message
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> Viker 44 <vik...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040902001656...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> > >From: "Aluckyguess"
> >
> > >Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in
jail.
> >
> > Zero chance he does that..... didn't you read his statement??? He's
a
> sell
> > out and he's going to pay her off.......
>
> According to Jim Gray, he's not going to pay her.
>
He can arrange his cover story with Jim Gray however he chooses. He's on
record with the public as respectfully acknowledging her integrity and
remorsefully acknowledging her suffering. Now that she's gotten his apology,
I'm certain she will be more than happy to allow him to pay up quietly.
Your hero is no martyr, and he is certainly no champion of virtue. Let's
just hope he never repeats this sort of behavior.
Jane
Osama Bin Bush
wrote:
> agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:ja4dj0h7equ471d00...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:45:50 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>It was agreed that Bryant's statement could not be used in any civil
> >>suit.
> >>
> > how do you know this?
>
> I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
> young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
> this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.
She has received both money for lost wages and money for services.
Colorado law stipulates that as a part of her getting that money she has
to co operate with the DA. She has not done so. What is the mechanism
to make her pay back the ~ $20,000 she has gotten?
PS: could someone again give the url to the victims funds? Specifically
what happens when victim takes funds but then refuses to co operate with
the state?
Jason Bowen
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpYTg2ZTBwBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
> N0bQ--?slug=ap-bryantcase-statement&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> Text of Kobe Bryant's statement read in court by his attorney, Pamela
> Mackey:
>
> consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been
> incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has
> had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members,
> and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle,
> Colo.
Why would he believe she's endured pain if he in fact doesn't believe he
raped her? Any pain would be of her own doing, and nothing he did.
This just doesn't wash logically.
>
> Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I
> recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way
> I did.
There really isn't any question in consenual sex.
> After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and
> even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did
> not consent to this encounter.
>
> I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case
> ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me
> will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the
> parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial
> or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.''
>
So he's saying he can't tell when a women doesn't want to have sex with
him? It seems to me that Kobe is admitting to rape and pleading
ignorance that he just couldn't tell that she didn't want to.
>
>
>
Jason Bowen
>
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpYTg2ZTBwBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
>>N0bQ--?slug=ap-bryantcase-statement&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>
>>Text of Kobe Bryant's statement read in court by his attorney, Pamela
>>Mackey:
>>
>>``I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
>>consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been
>>incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has
>>had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members,
>>and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle,
>>Colo.
>>
>>recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way
>>even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did
>>not consent to this encounter.
>>
>>I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case
>>ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me
>>will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the
>>parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial
>>or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.''
>
>
Sounds like he is basically doing the equivalent of pleading no contest
and getting ready to throw some cash her way instead of jail time.
Unabogie
"Jason Bowen" <n...@spam.net> wrote in message
news:10jdcgf...@corp.supernews.com...
He had his lawyers read a letter prepared by John Clune while he was home
with his family.
Sounds like they pleaded with him to take the deal. Have your lawyer read
this letter, and we'll drop out.
Face, it, Kate Faber refused to be cross examined. Dr. Baden has become a
defense witness (now for the civil trial) CBI says Kate Faber had sex after
Kobe and lied about it, and Kate Faber is willing to take a letter in
exchange for being "raped".
She's a liar, and she got exposed.
Next step, expose her in civil court where there is no rape shield law.
Finally, we can find out which man left semen on her neck.
Cyclonejane
"Osama Bin Bush" <Bushi...@bush.com> wrote in message
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> In article <wrwZc.33358$A91.27516@okepread02>, VicXnews <ne...@news.com>
> wrote:
>
> > agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:ja4dj0h7equ471d00...@4ax.com:
> >
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:45:50 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>It was agreed that Bryant's statement could not be used in any civil
> > >>suit.
> > >>
> > > how do you know this?
> >
> > I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
> > young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
> > this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.
>
> She has received both money for lost wages and money for services.
> Colorado law stipulates that as a part of her getting that money she has
> to co operate with the DA. She has not done so. What is the mechanism
> to make her pay back the ~ $20,000 she has gotten?
>
Kobe's pocket, obviously.
Jane
Miguel M
Chas wrote:
> "Miguel M" <Poet...@iwon.com> wrote
>
>>>He admitted it.
>>>He apologized for it.
>>>He knows the civil case goes forward on the evidence.
>>>Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
>>
>>He admitted what? He maintained that the encounter was consentual.
>
>
> He maintained that he never formed the mens rea for the crime; he thought
> she consented and then realized that she had not.
He thought that she had consented, and now realizes that she thinks she
did not.
Tim May
<Poet...@iwon.com> wrote:
He realizes now that she thought he was a big NBA star who would make
her famous with her friends, and make four of her former fuckbuddies
jealous, but then he realized she was angling for a role as a Laker
Girl and a chance at the cover of the special issue "Girls of the NBA."
He realizes now that he was in no position to promise either of these
things to her and he understands why she is using Jew shysters to try
to get some bling bling.
--Tim May
Polk
> In article <wrwZc.33358$A91.27516@okepread02>, VicXnews <ne...@news.com>
> wrote:
>
>> agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:ja4dj0h7equ471d00...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:45:50 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>It was agreed that Bryant's statement could not be used in any civil
>> >>suit.
>> >>
>> > how do you know this?
>>
>> I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
>> young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
>> this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.
>
> She has received both money for lost wages and money for services.
> Colorado law stipulates that as a part of her getting that money she has
> to co operate with the DA. She has not done so. What is the mechanism
> to make her pay back the ~ $20,000 she has gotten?
>
> PS: could someone again give the url to the victims funds? Specifically
> what happens when victim takes funds but then refuses to co operate with
> the state?
>
That is why K's lawyers filed the lawsuit in Federal Court. Not to worry,
Laker's insurance will cover any settlement since Kobe was not convicted
of a crime. Look for a quick settlement by all parties involved.
spammy
> Chas wrote:
>> He maintained that he never formed the mens rea for the crime; he
>> thought she consented and then realized that she had not.
>
> He thought that she had consented, and now realizes that she thinks
> she did not.
Either way it doesn't matter, since intent is not an element of
the crime of rape, as defined in the 21st century US.
Osama Bin Bush
spammy <spa...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Either way it doesn't matter, since intent is not an element of
> the crime of rape, as defined in the 21st century US.
It matters to wacky feminists.
Osama Bin Bush
"Unabogie" <unab...@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> He had his lawyers read a letter prepared by John Clune while he was home
> with his family.
>
> Sounds like they pleaded with him to take the deal. Have your lawyer read
> this letter, and we'll drop out.
>
> Face, it, Kate Faber refused to be cross examined. Dr. Baden has become a
> defense witness (now for the civil trial) CBI says Kate Faber had sex after
> Kobe and lied about it, and Kate Faber is willing to take a letter in
> exchange for being "raped".
>
> She's a liar, and she got exposed.
If that is the case, kobe, you are ONE STUPID MOTHERMFUC*er. Kobe
WANTED TO GO TO TRIAL!!! THEY WERE GOING TO EAT HER UP FOR LUNCH!! THE
JUDGE WAS GOING TO STOP THE CASE AFTER KF TESTIFIED BECAUSE THEIR WOULD
BE NO NEED FOR A CASE. You are a dumbf*** kobe.
George Evans
chasclem...@comcast.net wrote on 9/1/04 8:01 PM:
> "Sports Fan" <spo...@fan.home> wrote
>
>> Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face, and
>> on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>
> He admitted it. He apologized for it. He knows the civil case goes forward on
> the evidence. Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
What did he admit? Poor behavior. He sees it as consensual, he knows that
she sees it as non-consensual, and he now understands her feeling that way.
He's a gentleman.
George Evans
George Evans
cyclo...@mchsi.com wrote on 9/1/04 10:25 PM:
>
> "Don Tiberone" <DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote in message
> news:ch676b$9...@dispatch.concentric.net...
>
>> Viker 44 <vik...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20040902001656...@mb-m02.aol.com...
>>
>>>> From: "Aluckyguess"
>>>
>>>> Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in jail.
>>>
>>> Zero chance he does that..... didn't you read his statement??? He's a
>>> sell out and he's going to pay her off.......
>>
>> According to Jim Gray, he's not going to pay her.
>>
>
> He can arrange his cover story with Jim Gray however he chooses. He's on
> record with the public as respectfully acknowledging her integrity and
> remorsefully acknowledging her suffering. Now that she's gotten his apology,
> I'm certain she will be more than happy to allow him to pay up quietly.
I didn't read any acknowledgment of her integrity. He validated her
feelings, maybe. Her integrity won't recover until she matches Kobe's
magnanimity with an admission of her own.
George Evans
George Evans
wrote on 9/1/04 10:36 PM:
> s_knight8 wrote:
>
>> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpYTg2ZTBwBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
>> N0bQ--?slug=ap-bryantcase-statement&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>
>> Text of Kobe Bryant's statement read in court by his attorney, Pamela
>> Mackey:
>>
>> ``I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
>> consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been
>> incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has
>> had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members,
>> and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle,
>> Colo.
>
> Why would he believe she's endured pain if he in fact doesn't believe he
> raped her? Any pain would be of her own doing, and nothing he did.
> This just doesn't wash logically.
He's be polite.
>> Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I
>> recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way
>> I did.
>
> There really isn't any question in consenual sex.
>
>> After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and
>> even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did
>> not consent to this encounter.
>>
>> I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case
>> ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me
>> will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the
>> parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial
>> or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.''
>
> So he's saying he can't tell when a women doesn't want to have sex with
> him? It seems to me that Kobe is admitting to rape and pleading
> ignorance that he just couldn't tell that she didn't want to.
I take it you haven't been around a woman much if you think a woman's
signals are always clear. Take this test. A woman sneaks into your hotel
room late at night. After some conversation she lifts her dress to shows you
her tatoo on her lower back just above her thong. Then she starts making out
with you, with tongue, with her arms draped around your neck.
What's your expert assessment so far?
George Evans
George Evans
wrote on 9/1/04 10:39 PM:
Sounds like your confused. There is no more case. He's not pleading
anything. Jail time for what?
George Evans
Charlie Board
s_knight8 wrote:
> I now understand how she feels that she did
> not consent to this encounter.
Since her consent was the only element of rape
left open to question, isn't this essentially
a confession of guilt?
Cyclonejane
"George Evans" <geo...@pe.net> wrote in message
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> in article A9yZc.274777$eM2.23533@attbi_s51, Cyclonejane at
> cyclo...@mchsi.com wrote on 9/1/04 10:25 PM:
> >
> > "Don Tiberone" <DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote in message
> > news:ch676b$9...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> >
> >> Viker 44 <vik...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:20040902001656...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >>
> >>>> From: "Aluckyguess"
> >>>
> >>>> Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in
jail.
> >>>
> >>> Zero chance he does that..... didn't you read his statement???
He's a
> >>> sell out and he's going to pay her off.......
> >>
> >> According to Jim Gray, he's not going to pay her.
> >>
> >
> > He can arrange his cover story with Jim Gray however he chooses. He's on
> > record with the public as respectfully acknowledging her integrity and
> > remorsefully acknowledging her suffering. Now that she's gotten his
apology,
> > I'm certain she will be more than happy to allow him to pay up quietly.
>
> I didn't read any acknowledgment of her integrity.
Either you didn't read the statement or you don't want to face what it
means. He's officially saying that her accusation was sincere and her
suffering real. Maybe he's not sincere (while he allowed the statement to be
made in his name, he wouldn't read it himself), but if so, that undermines
his integrity, not the woman's.
Jane
JJ
<snip>
> What did he admit? Poor behavior. He sees it as consensual, he knows
that
> she sees it as non-consensual, and he now understands her feeling
that way.
> He's a gentleman.
>
> George Evans
>
"Gentleman"?
I wouldn't exactly call a man who cheats on his wife a gentleman.
From Webster's:
(2) : a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or
correct behavior
JJ
Kennisha Crawford
I AM SOOO HAPPY FOR KOBE AND HIS FAMILY! I KNOW HE IS PRAISING GOD
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE DESERVES ALL THE GLORY AND HONOR11 GOD IS JUST
AWESOME. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW OR DON'T BELIEVE YOU BETTER ASK SOMEBODY.
KOBE IS MOST LIKLY GOING TO GIVE THAT WOMAN MONEY AND THAT'S ALRIGHT
BECAUSE HIS BIGGEST STORM OF HIS LIFE IS OVER AND NOW HE CAN SEE THE
SUN. WEEPING MAY ENDURE FOR A NIGHT BUT JOY COMES IN THE MORNING . KOBE
WILL PROBABLY GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY.. I WOULD :)
I AM GOING TO HAVE A TERRIFIC DAY TODAY. HAVE A BLESSED DAY ALL WHO
READS THIS.. :)
tjab
I think given all that's happened you're going a little overboard with your
[almost said something rude], but in this particular instance at least,
Bryant has shown himself to be a bigger man than many who defend him here.
If he weasels on his apology later, of course, consider the above void.
bozak
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so are you saying she isnt a skank???
bozak
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>>
>
>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face,
and
>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
Sounds like there is an admission of rape.
--
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number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really
don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
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Jason Bowen
Yeah, curious isn't it that he says he understands her feelings and says
he's sorry for the pain he caused? If you're innocent, you're innocent,
there is no gray area there.
Jason Bowen
I know Colorado law. Pleading no contest is the same as pleding guilty
but not saying you are guilty. I'm speaking metaphorically, not
literally. Sounds like he is apologizing(but wait he didn't do
anything) and there is a deal in the works. His statement doesn't wash.
The whole thing is sordid and all involved are shitty people. I doubt
it was the first time Kobe cheated. It is not like he knew this girl
for a long period of time and developed some relationship and then slept
with her, he took it pretty casual which suggests he was comfortable
with it. A lot of people don't seem to want to acknowledge that.
> George Evans
>
Nexus
news:7rfej0tnssjfh0sja...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:22:22 -0700, Sports Fan <spo...@fan.home>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face,
> and
>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>
> Sounds like there is an admission of rape.
Sounds like you are a poor deluded idiot...
E-Man
So what are you saying, that Kobe's cavalier attitude toward casual sex and
marital indiscretion is justification for a criminal proceding? OK, let's
have criminal trials for ALL Americans who have casual extramarital sex.
You make no sense.
E-Man
OK, he's innocent. No gray.
Jason Bowen
She wants to make out? If you start having sex with that woman and her
head is turned and she's detatched, what is your assessment? Sorry, if
a persons self control is so bad that they can't read non-verbal signs
or even verbals signs they are pathetic. How poory do you know your
partner to not know their intent? If you want to take the macho road
about how I must not have been with many women you are about as
intellectual as your little assessment self test. One time I was as far
as fingers in panties, breasts out, but she was stiff as a board. I
stopped, the next morning I told her I was sorry and she said that it
was ok, most guys weren't so nice. She never did say no but the lack of
much lubrication plus a seeming detatchment told me something was up and
up to the point before then she was happy with the situation. She
didn't tell me to not put my fingers in her panties but I could tell
that she wasn't comfortable. Unfourtunately I was dealing with somebody
that had more than once been taken against her will and went into
survival mode and was just going to let me do as I would. If you can't
figure out real enthusiasm I'm sorry for you.
> George Evans
>
Scorpi...@attnospam.net
wrote:
He admitted to raping her, can't you read? Just because he thought it
was o.k. doesn't make it o.k.
Jason Bowen
Wow, you have quite the rapier wit. If you could've responded point by
point, I'm sure you would have.
Jason Bowen
No, I didn't say that. I'm saying all the Kobe defenders that act like
he is some sort of saint and that want to disavow his actions are sure
willing to call the purported victim a slut. Kobe isn't a good person.
It does say something about his moral attitude and what he might be
capable of. I do find it odd that he is willing to call his culpability
in to question now that he can't be tried on the charge.
Cyclonejane
" bozak" <bo...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:2ponqaF...@uni-berlin.de...
I am saying that KB vouched for her integrity. I don't know her.
Jane
Jason Bowen
What pain did he cause her then? How can a man innocent of rape say he
understand how the woman thought it was rape and he understands the pain
he caused. It's bullshit is what it is. Personally I thought the girl
was going for attention and money(believe it or not I have 3 degrees of
seperation from her) but this statement from him makes me go hmmm.
Jason Bowen
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:00:38 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>><Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>news:7rfej0tnssjfh0sja...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:22:22 -0700, Sports Fan <spo...@fan.home>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s
>
> face,
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>>>
>>>Sounds like there is an admission of rape.
>>
>>Sounds like you are a poor deluded idiot...
>>
>
>
> He admitted to raping her, can't you read? Just because he thought it
> was o.k. doesn't make it o.k.
I think that is the case. He's nearly admitting guilt publicly now that
he is free from going to jail. Now he'll give her a nice chunk of
change and think he is absolved of his actions. Once again, money and
celebrity status win out.
Paul Schneider
> with his family.
I agree that it was probably co-written by Clune and Kobe's attorneys.
Probably was written a couple months ago when the DA was offering to
drop the sexual assault charge for Kobe to plead guilty to a
misdameaner, pay a fine and give her an apology.
>
> Sounds like they pleaded with him to take the deal. Have your lawyer read
> this letter, and we'll drop out.
I am disappointed a bit in Kobe for not going to trial. This case was
incredibly weak and with the latest DA misconduct all the microscopic
injury bullshit would have been disallowed in the trial leaving just
her testimony. But facing life in prison vs getting the case to go
away from an apology is a hard decision for anyone.
>
> Face, it, Kate Faber refused to be cross examined. Dr. Baden has become a
> defense witness (now for the civil trial) CBI says Kate Faber had sex after
> Kobe and lied about it, and Kate Faber is willing to take a letter in
> exchange for being "raped".
>
> She's a liar, and she got exposed.
>
> Next step, expose her in civil court where there is no rape shield law.
> Finally, we can find out which man left semen on her neck.
She will probably settle for the 20K she has to pay back Colorado.
The only thing the case proved is the Colorado rape laws need to be
heavily revised to require some sort of evidence besides the accusers
word. In California, we have the same feminist laws where no evidence
is required. The LA Times a couple months ago ran an article about
rape trials in California. In the vast majority of cases, the juries
are refusing to convict people unless there is evidence that a rape
occurred - just the victims word is not enough. All the new rape laws
have done is waste huge amounts of taxpayer money on cases that can't
be won.
Paul Schneider
> him? It seems to me that Kobe is admitting to rape and pleading
> ignorance that he just couldn't tell that she didn't want to.
Or he is saying she is a WACKO but saying it much more nicely.
Nexus
news:6pjej05rn8fui5gi4...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:00:38 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>><Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>news:7rfej0tnssjfh0sja...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:22:22 -0700, Sports Fan <spo...@fan.home>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s
> face,
>>> and
>>>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>>>
>>> Sounds like there is an admission of rape.
>>
>>Sounds like you are a poor deluded idiot...
>>
>
> He admitted to raping her, can't you read? Just because he thought it
> was o.k. doesn't make it o.k.
> --
Apparently it is you who has a reading problem.
Please include with your response an exact quote that shows Bryant's
admission of rape.
I won't hold my breath.
Nexus
Hypocritical douchebags like yourself make me sick. Kobe isn't a "good
person" but the alleged victim that admitted to sneaking up to Bryant's room
for consensual kissing and touching with a married man is a pure and
innocent saint.
Please explain to me why it is so clear in your mind that the alleged victim
who knowingly seeked out a MARRIED man at her workplace to consensually
fondle and kiss should have her story of the encounter held in higher regard
than Bryant who admitted to consensual sex and not rape.
In his statement Bryant admitted absolutely no wrongdoing and under the
condition that nothing in his statement could be used in civil lawsuit he
acquiesced to the most minimal of requests from the alleged victim and
prosecution with his apology so that they could try and save some face after
this farce of a case was dismissed.
Of course your biased hypocritical views make you no better than any "Kobe
defenders" that have called the alleged victim a slut. Don't worry about her
though she will get her justice...oops I mean money.
Jason Bowen
Take off the rose colored Kobe loving glasses. If he had any
convictions that he was telling the truth he'd have fought for it.
Jason Bowen
> <Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:6pjej05rn8fui5gi4...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:00:38 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>><Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>>news:7rfej0tnssjfh0sja...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:22:22 -0700, Sports Fan <spo...@fan.home>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s
>>
>>face,
>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like there is an admission of rape.
>>>
>>>Sounds like you are a poor deluded idiot...
>>>
>>
>>He admitted to raping her, can't you read? Just because he thought it
>>was o.k. doesn't make it o.k.
>>--
>
>
> Apparently it is you who has a reading problem.
>
> Please include with your response an exact quote that shows Bryant's
> admission of rape.
>
> I won't hold my breath.
>
>
He said that she believe that she was raped, and he understands. I
wouldn't understand it if I in fact knew that I didn't rape her. I'd
come out and say she was deluded. If he is innocent, he has NOTHING to
apologize for. His apology for causing pain(wait a minute he didn't do
anything...) says a lot. He's a scumbag, just like she is if she is
lying. Kobe doesn't come out good at all in this, even if it was
consensual.
Jason Bowen
I didn't say she was, you can't fucking read. I said there were no good
people. LEARN TO FUCKING READ!.
>
> Please explain to me why it is so clear in your mind that the alleged victim
> who knowingly seeked out a MARRIED man at her workplace to consensually
> fondle and kiss should have her story of the encounter held in higher regard
> than Bryant who admitted to consensual sex and not rape.
>
I'd suggest you find where I claim anything good about her. You can't
but you are too blindsided by your love for a celebrity to admit that
he's just as much of a shit as her.
> In his statement Bryant admitted absolutely no wrongdoing and under the
> condition that nothing in his statement could be used in civil lawsuit he
> acquiesced to the most minimal of requests from the alleged victim and
> prosecution with his apology so that they could try and save some face after
> this farce of a case was dismissed.
>
I didn't say he outright admitted any wrongdoing. You parse how he
undertands that she believes she was raped and he's sorry for her pain.
I'd like to hear his explination for that illogic. If he's innocent,
he didn't cause her any damn pain.
> Of course your biased hypocritical views make you no better than any "Kobe
> defenders" that have called the alleged victim a slut. Don't worry about her
> though she will get her justice...oops I mean money.
>
You're a fucking idiot that can't read and write past a 9th grade level.
>
bozak
>
> "Osama Bin Bush" <Bushi...@bush.com> wrote in message
> news:Bushin2004-2F111...@newssvr23-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <wrwZc.33358$A91.27516@okepread02>, VicXnews <ne...@news.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > > news:ja4dj0h7equ471d00...@4ax.com:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:45:50 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>It was agreed that Bryant's statement could not be used in any civil
> > > >>suit.
> > > >>
> > > > how do you know this?
> > >
> > > I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
> > > young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
> > > this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.
> >
> > She has received both money for lost wages and money for services.
> > Colorado law stipulates that as a part of her getting that money she has
> > to co operate with the DA. She has not done so. What is the mechanism
> > to make her pay back the ~ $20,000 she has gotten?
> >
>
> Kobe's pocket, obviously.
or the book she writes about it...
she will probably be the first skank ever to write about being allegedly raped
and make a huge profit on it...
bozak
so you dont think he was following advice he got from his attorneys???
E-Man
"Jason Bowen" <n...@spam.net> wrote
>
> I didn't say he outright admitted any wrongdoing. You parse how he
> undertands that she believes she was raped and he's sorry for her pain.
> I'd like to hear his explination for that illogic. If he's innocent,
> he didn't cause her any damn pain.
>
So he's an empathetic person, he understands her pain. In his statement
Kobe never took responsibility for her pain.
Jason Bowen
Of course he's not going to. He had no reason to feel empathy for her,
look at what she did to him. I wouldn't feel a damn bit of empathy for
somebody that lied about what I did. Kobe alludes to understanding her
beliefs and feeling sorry for her pain. I don't have any personal stake
in this whatsover, I don't want Kobe to go to jail unless he did
something wrong. I'm not on anybody's side but I thought she was going
for money from what I personally knew until his statement.
Chas
> So he's an empathetic person, he understands her pain. In his statement
> Kobe never took responsibility for her pain.
That's in the nature of an Apology; accepting guilt.
That's why they had to keep it out of the civil suit (to protect him from
accepting the responsibility), and he had to admit her position.
The State screwed up so badly that she was in constant danger. No need for
her to sacrifice herself to their incompetence.
Chas
Nexus
BUSTED.
Thank you for proving yourself to be a liar and an ass.
You clearly stated that "He admitted to raping her" and accused me of having
a reading problem.
I put forth a challenge to back up what you posted. Now where in your
response is that Bryant quote? NOWHERE.
You can try and spin your response away from what you claimed before but you
only end up looking more and more like the lying sack of shi* you obviously
are.
Game. Set. Match.
Nexus
Actually you did say that in this very thread:
"He admitted to raping her, can't you read?"
You must really want me to make you look like a complete idiot again in the
same thread.
Maybe you should take some reading lessons and attend to your amnesia
dumbass.
Jason Bowen
Prove where I said those words. Shouldn't be too hard. By the way, you
need to learn how to use a newsreader, while that statement is above, it
wasn't posted by me.
> I put forth a challenge to back up what you posted. Now where in your
> response is that Bryant quote? NOWHERE.
>
Put your cock back in your pants. I don't have to take your challenges
and his statement is widely available. Damn simpleton.
> You can try and spin your response away from what you claimed before but you
> only end up looking more and more like the lying sack of shi* you obviously
> are.
>
> Game. Set. Match.
>
LOL, you won nothing, there was no game between us. Somebody else did
that quote above, learn to use a newsreader. Enjoy looking like an ass?
>
Jason Bowen
I can read, you can't follow attributions. Somebody else posted the
quote you are using. I can follow attribution along with being able to
read and form logical suppositions.
deepblue
wrote:
>I now understand how she feels that she did
>not consent to this encounter.
You just lost the civil suit, pal.
Scorpi...@attnospam.net
wrote:
In your dreams.
Let me ask you this? Let's say you have a daughter, sister, or
mother. She and I meet at an elevator. She's dressed kinda skimpy
and she looks at me and smiles. The elevator door opens, she gets in
and then looks back at me. She then asks "coming"? I hear cumming?
and run in, bend her over and fuck her silly. She's scared to death
and doesn't utter a word. She is caught off guard and can not speak.
When I leave, I'm nice to her and offer to call her a cab, she says no
thanks. She is thinking "what the fuck is wrong with this sex freak",
but she doesn't say a word.
Did I rape her or was it consensual?
Michael Snyder
> In article <ch5rmo$9...@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> s_knight8 <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpYTg2ZTBwBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
>>N0bQ--?slug=ap-bryantcase-statement&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>
>>Text of Kobe Bryant's statement read in court by his attorney, Pamela
>>Mackey:
>>
>>``I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the
>>consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been
>>incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has
>>had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members,
>>and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle,
>>Colo.
>>
>>Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I
>>recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way
>>I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and
>>not consent to this encounter.
>>
>>ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me
>>will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the
>>parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial
>>or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.''
>
>
> Sounds like a settlement is in the works.
Maybe -- maybe not. You'll notice he hasn't actually admitted
to any wrong-doing or crime.
Michael Snyder
> In article <BD5C2BAF.135E%geo...@pe.net>,
> George Evans <geo...@pe.net> wrote:
>
>>in article Sb2dnQhXtOu...@comcast.com, Chas at
>>chasclem...@comcast.net wrote on 9/1/04 8:01 PM:
>>
>>
>>>"Sports Fan" <spo...@fan.home> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face, and
>>>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>>>
>>>the evidence. Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
>>
>>What did he admit? Poor behavior. He sees it as consensual, he knows that
>>she sees it as non-consensual, and he now understands her feeling that way.
>>He's a gentleman.
>
>
> I think given all that's happened you're going a little overboard with your
> [almost said something rude], but in this particular instance at least,
> Bryant has shown himself to be a bigger man than many who defend him here.
>
> If he weasels on his apology later, of course, consider the above void.
Appology does not equal confession, and refusal to pay
does not equal "weaseling". He basically said he's sorry
her feelings were hurt.
Michael Snyder
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:22:22 -0700, Sports Fan <spo...@fan.home>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face,
>
> and
>
>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>
>
Seriously dude -- where are you getting that? He said he
*still* believes the encounter was consensual.
Michael Snyder
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:00:38 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>><Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>news:7rfej0tnssjfh0sja...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s
>
> face,
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
>>>
>>>Sounds like there is an admission of rape.
>>
>>
>
>
> He admitted to raping her, can't you read?
I can. I see nothing in his statement that even remotely
resembles an admission of rape, or any other crime or misdeed.
> Just because he thought it
> was o.k. doesn't make it o.k.
But just because he thought it was CONSENSUAL *does* mean
that he's not admitting to rape.
Michael Snyder
He also says that HE BELIEVES IT WAS CONSENSUAL. I can tell you
that I "understand" your belief that you are the Emperor of Guam --
it doesn't mean that *I* believe you are.
Michael Snyder
> In article <10jd2j5...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Aluckyguess <no...@lakers.com> wrote:
>
>>Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the ho in jail.
>
>
The state could still do it.
Alex
"George Evans" <geo...@pe.net> schreef in bericht news:BD5C2BAF.135E%geo...@pe.net...
> >
> >> Sounds like lots of eggs on your face, or chas's face, "vox"'s face, and
> >> on the face of other retarded feminists like you.
> >
> > the evidence. Yeppers; big money coming, after big money gone.
>
> What did he admit? Poor behavior. He sees it as consensual, he knows that
> she sees it as non-consensual, and he now understands her feeling that way.
> He's a gentleman.
Actually if you read the statement, all that Kobe admits to
is that _he agrees to disagree_ over their different perceptions
of the event.
http://www.courttv.com/trials/bryant/090104-statement.html
Read it.
Alex
Scorpi...@attnospam.net
Wrong! It doesn't matter if he "thought" it was consensual. It only
matters if SHE "said" it was consensual, and she didn't.
That's why it's called rape.
Scorpi...@attnospam.net
He can believe what ever he wants. but he's been told he's wrong and
he admits that he now knows he was wrong. He consented, she didn't so
from his point of view it's consensual. According the victim and the
law it's rape.
Jason Bowen
Kobe's statement:
"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this
incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for
the consequences she has suffered in the past year.
What behavior is he apologizing for? Consensual sex?
Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I
can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to
apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and
friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.
Why is he apologizing to those people? Did he wrong them?
I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this
young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that
this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I
truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now
that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.
After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even
her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not
consent to this encounter."
Hmmm it would be nice if he could flesh it out wouldn't it? I'd like
him to explain how they have differing viewpoints.
Jason Bowen
I did, posted it too. He apologizes for his behavior that night. He's
apologizing for doing nothing?
> Alex
>
>
Fred
apologizing for tossing her over the back of a chair, which he thought was
consentual?
Larry Coon
> Take off the rose colored Kobe loving glasses. If he had any
> convictions that he was telling the truth he'd have fought for it.
That's extremely easy for you to say when it isn't
your freedom in the hands of 12 people whom you've
never met. There are innocent people who plead
guilty to lesser crimes all the time, in order to
avoid risking the sentence associated with a
greater charge.
I posted this earlier -- it's from an attorney
acquaintence (posted with permission). Also it's
interesting to note that he wrote this about a month
ago, but a lot of what he wrote about is exactly what
happened:
Hate to say this, but as a defense attorney, I'd advise Kobe
to do this in a second. I'd prefer that the criminal charges
be dropped altogether (and while [the accusor] can't guarantee
that, she could more or less force it if she tells [Hurlbert]
she will *not* testify), but I'd even consider a plea if it
meant 1) probation only, and 2) not requiring sexual offender
registration (which of course is a pre-requisite to this
entire process).
Why? Well, there are a whole litany of reasons.
1) Certainty of outcome. Even though everything has come up
great for the defense so far, there is still a lot we don't
know about the case, like what [the prosecution's] experts
are going to say, how they will hold up under cross-exam by
Pam/Hal, and what precisely Kobe said to the police. We like
everything we have heard so far, but we are also Kobe
supporters, so we interpret all evidence in the light most
favorable to the defense. Head over to the CourtTV boards,
and you'll see that - unbelievably - there are still quite
a few people who think Kobe did it.
There is *always* a risk at trial, even with the best
lawyers in the country. If I can do anything to prevent it,
I'd try at all costs to keep 12 people from deciding
whether my client goes to jail. Yes, it's a compromise,
and yes, Kobe may regret doing it later on. But I guarantee
you that he won't feel as much regret as he would if he
didn't do the deal and somehow (unfathomable as it may seem
to us) was convicted. Now that would be regret.
2) Cost of defense. Rumors are that Kobe has spent more
than $3 million on his defense so far. I don't know how
valid those rumors are, but given the amount of paperwork
generated in this case, and the amount of investigation the
defense has apparently done, it wouldn't surprise me. If
this case goes to trial, that cost doubles, easily.
Now add in the cost of paying his lawyers to defend a civil
suit, and you can add several more million to that tab.
3) Cost certainty. Even assuming that Kobe prevails at
trial and is acquitted, he will still face a civil suit.
Clune has all but guaranteed that, and I've suspected all
along that a civil suit was [the accusor's] ultimate
endgame - it's the only thing explains why she would
perpetuate this lie this long. So, just because a jury
does not find Kobe guilty of rape beyond a reasonable
doubt, does not mean that another jury could not find
Kobe liable for tortious battery and intentional/
negligent infliction of emotional distress based on the
preponderance of the evidence and award [the accusor]
millions.
Remember, the rules of evidence and discovery are
markedly more relaxed in civil cases as compared to
criminal ones. Kobe cannnot avoid having his deposition
taken in a civil case, and cannot avoid testifying.
[The accusor's] character evidence is coming in, but so
will Kobe's. His name will continue to be in the news
for negative reasons not associated with his play on the
court. He will still be mostly off-limits for endorsers.
Plus, he will likely have to make even more appearances
in Colorado (though not necessarily for court) during
the season.
I represent large companies and corporations for a
living, and these are their main concerns, with the last
one being paramount. I've participated in more than my
share of unjustified settlements because the corporation
wanted to cap their risk and their cost, even if it meant
paying more than I felt the case was worth.
If Kobe can 1) avoid trial and any other negative
repercussions from the criminal case, 2) cut off his
rapidly escalating attorney's fees in the criminal case,
and 3) pay off [the accusor] for substantially less than
it would cost to pay his attorneys in the civil suit and
pay some sort of reasonable judgment to LLT, then I think
he has to strongly consider it.
As his attorney, I would advise him to, because that's
how these types of decisions are made. But if it were me,
and I were innocent, I don't know if I would be that
rational...
Larry Coon
University of California
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Jason Bowen
> Jason Bowen wrote:
>
>
>>Take off the rose colored Kobe loving glasses. If he had any
>>convictions that he was telling the truth he'd have fought for it.
>
>
> That's extremely easy for you to say when it isn't
> your freedom in the hands of 12 people whom you've
> never met. There are innocent people who plead
> guilty to lesser crimes all the time, in order to
> avoid risking the sentence associated with a
> greater charge.
>
If there really was no impropriety, there'd be none to find. The case
was going to be dismissed because she wasn't going to testify. He
definently had the advantage. I believed that she was lying due to the
dna results that were leaked and a little personal knowledge. With his
apology for his "behavior that night" I go hmmm now. I believe Kobe
had the money to completely clear himself, the truth is worth more than
any amount of money.
Nexus
My bad. You did not say that. Although you still did infer that Bryant is
admiting wrongdoing through the carefully crafted statement that the alleged
victim demanded as a condition for her to drop out of this sham of a trial.
And no actually I don't like looking like an ass...
tjab
"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want
to apologize want to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has
suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me
personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize
to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to
the citizens of Eagle, Colo.
I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No
money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used
against me in the civil case.
Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that
she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing
discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand
how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today,
tjab
Nexus
>news:s70fj0hqtl72lii4p...@4ax.com...
It was agreed that his statement cannot be used in any civil suit.
George Evans
Osama Bin Bush at Bushi...@bush.com wrote on 9/2/04 12:16 AM:
<snip>
> If that is the case, kobe, you are ONE STUPID MOTHERMFUC*er. Kobe
> WANTED TO GO TO TRIAL!!! THEY WERE GOING TO EAT HER UP FOR LUNCH!! THE
> JUDGE WAS GOING TO STOP THE CASE AFTER KF TESTIFIED BECAUSE THEIR WOULD
> BE NO NEED FOR A CASE. You are a dumbf*** kobe.
Maybe Kobe didn't want to drag her through the mud. This way he won by
getting the case dismissed. And she keeps some dignity.
George Evans
Cyclonejane
" bozak" <bo...@mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cyclonejane" <cyclo...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:tAIZc.21895$_g7.15587@attbi_s52...
> >
> > " bozak" <bo...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2ponqaF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "Cyclonejane" <cyclo...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:y7EZc.103217$Fg5.37231@attbi_s53...
> > > >
> > > > "George Evans" <geo...@pe.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:BD5C3438.135F%geo...@pe.net...
> > > > > in article A9yZc.274777$eM2.23533@attbi_s51, Cyclonejane at
> > > > > cyclo...@mchsi.com wrote on 9/1/04 10:25 PM:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Don Tiberone" <DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:ch676b$9...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Viker 44 <vik...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> news:20040902001656...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>> From: "Aluckyguess"
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Now he should sue her and the state should sue also. Put the
ho
> > in
> > > > jail.
> > > > > >>>
statement???
> > > > He's a
> > > > > >>> sell out and he's going to pay her off.......
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> According to Jim Gray, he's not going to pay her.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He can arrange his cover story with Jim Gray however he chooses.
> > He's on
> > > > > > record with the public as respectfully acknowledging her
integrity
> > and
> > > > > > remorsefully acknowledging her suffering. Now that she's gotten
his
> > > > apology,
> > > > > > I'm certain she will be more than happy to allow him to pay up
> > quietly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't read any acknowledgment of her integrity.
> > > >
> > > > Either you didn't read the statement or you don't want to face what
it
> > > > means. He's officially saying that her accusation was sincere and
her
> > > > suffering real. Maybe he's not sincere (while he allowed the
statement
> > to be
> > > > made in his name, he wouldn't read it himself), but if so, that
> > undermines
> > > > his integrity, not the woman's.
> > >
> > > so are you saying she isnt a skank???
> >
> >
> > I am saying that KB vouched for her integrity. I don't know her.
>
> so you dont think he was following advice he got from his attorneys???
Of course he was. I am sure they wrote it the aplogy (after consultation
with the accuser's attorneys), then told him to sign it. In a legal sense,
it's his statement, and the statement vouches for her integrity.
Do you honestly think his attorneys would have him sign it if it didn't
represent the best he could hope for? Why do YOU think his attorneys had him
apologize?
Janie
>
George Evans
charlieDIES...@nc.rr.com wrote on 9/2/04 4:58 AM:
>
> s_knight8 wrote:
>
>> I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
>>
> this essentially a confession of guilt?
No, he's saying he understands why she feels (incorrectly) that she did not
consent. In other words he believes she is confused but he understands how
she got that way.
George Evans