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Allen
May 15, 2013, 1:31:11 PM5/15/13
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Harrison Barnes huge for Golden State Warriors yet again
By Marcus Thompson II
mtho...@bayareanewsgroup.com
Posted: 05/14/2013 08:21:34 PM PDT
Updated: 05/14/2013 11:48:39 PM PDT
http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_23244816/warriors-notebook-stephen-curry-looks-healthy-game-5
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SAN ANTONIO, TX - MAY 14: Stephen Curry #30 of the Golden State Warriors
dribbles the ball against Tony Parker #9 of the San Antonio Spurs during
Game Five of the Western Conference Semifinals of the 2013 NBA Playoffs
at AT&T Center on May 14, 2013 in San Antonio, Texas. (Photo by Ronald
Martinez/Getty Images)
SAN ANTONIO -- Warriors forward Harrison Barnes was named to the NBA
All-Rookie first team, the league announced Tuesday. Then in Game 5 of
the Western Conference semifinals, he went on to look like an All-NBA
selection.
Barnes led the Warriors with 25 points on 10-of-18 shooting to go with
seven rebounds in a 109-91 loss to the San Antonio Spurs. He had his
3-pointer and his midrange shot going, and his post game looked
unstoppable at times.
"I didn't realize he could put the ball on the floor as much as he
could," TNT analyst Kenny Smith said. "I didn't realize he had
individual one-on-one moves. ... The NBA style of play and the way Mark
Jackson has implemented him, the playoffs are a coming-out party for him."
Barnes has scored 25 points in back-to-back playoff games. The last
rookie to do that was the Spurs' Tim Duncan in 1998. He is the third
player under 21 since 1979 to score 20 points or more four times in a
single postseason. The other two: Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson.
"Hard to celebrate after getting pounded like we did," Barnes said.
He joined Portland guard Damian Lillard, Washington guard Bradley Beal,
New Orleans forward Anthony Davis and Cleveland guard Dion Waiters on
the first team.
"He was very excited," coach Mark Jackson said. "Told all of the guys in
our first huddle. Everybody high-fived and hugged and dapped and acted
as if it was them who got the recognition. This is a total team thing."
While Jackson welcomed the news of Barnes' first-team selection, it does
require an adjustment on his part. He has talked nonstop about the
Warriors getting snubbed from honors and recognition. But with Barnes
being honored, his beef is mitigated.
"Yeah," said Jackson, who finished seventh in Coach of the Year voting,
"I've got to work on another angle."
Point guard Stephen Curry acknowledged playing terribly. But he said it
had nothing to do with his sprained left ankle.
"Not really," said Curry, who scored nine points on 4-for-14 shooting.
"I mean, it's sore, but I came in feeling good and was pretty optimistic
about how I could play tonight. But it didn't go that way."
Curry, who sprained the ankle in Game 2 against Denver and again late in
Game 3 against San Antonio, was limited in his movement in Game 4. He
needed an anti-inflammatory shot before Sunday's game.
But Curry said he didn't need a shot this time because his ankle had
responded well.
Curry said his ankle probably won't be 100 percent for the "foreseeable
future." But he dismissed talk of offseason surgery.
"As of right now, no," Curry said. "I don't think it's been too much of
a recurring issue, yet. Obviously, I've had two minor sprains in the
last two or three weeks, but I'm not really in that mind frame. And the
doctors don't think that's a situation we need to talk about now or
hopefully ever."
David Lee made his third consecutive appearance, his first on the road.
He played 12, the most action he has seen since tearing his right hip
flexor. He made all three of his shots and added a rebound, an assist
and a steal.
"I think every time I've gone to him he's given us great minutes and has
given us a boost," Jackson said. "I'm staying in contact with him,
talking to him, seeing how he's feeling. And he's feeling better and
better every day."
By Marcus Thompson II
mtho...@bayareanewsgroup.com
Posted: 05/14/2013 08:21:34 PM PDT
Updated: 05/14/2013 11:48:39 PM PDT
http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_23244816/warriors-notebook-stephen-curry-looks-healthy-game-5
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SAN ANTONIO, TX - MAY 14: Stephen Curry #30 of the Golden State Warriors
dribbles the ball against Tony Parker #9 of the San Antonio Spurs during
Game Five of the Western Conference Semifinals of the 2013 NBA Playoffs
at AT&T Center on May 14, 2013 in San Antonio, Texas. (Photo by Ronald
Martinez/Getty Images)
SAN ANTONIO -- Warriors forward Harrison Barnes was named to the NBA
All-Rookie first team, the league announced Tuesday. Then in Game 5 of
the Western Conference semifinals, he went on to look like an All-NBA
selection.
Barnes led the Warriors with 25 points on 10-of-18 shooting to go with
seven rebounds in a 109-91 loss to the San Antonio Spurs. He had his
3-pointer and his midrange shot going, and his post game looked
unstoppable at times.
"I didn't realize he could put the ball on the floor as much as he
could," TNT analyst Kenny Smith said. "I didn't realize he had
individual one-on-one moves. ... The NBA style of play and the way Mark
Jackson has implemented him, the playoffs are a coming-out party for him."
Barnes has scored 25 points in back-to-back playoff games. The last
rookie to do that was the Spurs' Tim Duncan in 1998. He is the third
player under 21 since 1979 to score 20 points or more four times in a
single postseason. The other two: Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson.
"Hard to celebrate after getting pounded like we did," Barnes said.
He joined Portland guard Damian Lillard, Washington guard Bradley Beal,
New Orleans forward Anthony Davis and Cleveland guard Dion Waiters on
the first team.
"He was very excited," coach Mark Jackson said. "Told all of the guys in
our first huddle. Everybody high-fived and hugged and dapped and acted
as if it was them who got the recognition. This is a total team thing."
While Jackson welcomed the news of Barnes' first-team selection, it does
require an adjustment on his part. He has talked nonstop about the
Warriors getting snubbed from honors and recognition. But with Barnes
being honored, his beef is mitigated.
"Yeah," said Jackson, who finished seventh in Coach of the Year voting,
"I've got to work on another angle."
Point guard Stephen Curry acknowledged playing terribly. But he said it
had nothing to do with his sprained left ankle.
"Not really," said Curry, who scored nine points on 4-for-14 shooting.
"I mean, it's sore, but I came in feeling good and was pretty optimistic
about how I could play tonight. But it didn't go that way."
Curry, who sprained the ankle in Game 2 against Denver and again late in
Game 3 against San Antonio, was limited in his movement in Game 4. He
needed an anti-inflammatory shot before Sunday's game.
But Curry said he didn't need a shot this time because his ankle had
responded well.
Curry said his ankle probably won't be 100 percent for the "foreseeable
future." But he dismissed talk of offseason surgery.
"As of right now, no," Curry said. "I don't think it's been too much of
a recurring issue, yet. Obviously, I've had two minor sprains in the
last two or three weeks, but I'm not really in that mind frame. And the
doctors don't think that's a situation we need to talk about now or
hopefully ever."
David Lee made his third consecutive appearance, his first on the road.
He played 12, the most action he has seen since tearing his right hip
flexor. He made all three of his shots and added a rebound, an assist
and a steal.
"I think every time I've gone to him he's given us great minutes and has
given us a boost," Jackson said. "I'm staying in contact with him,
talking to him, seeing how he's feeling. And he's feeling better and
better every day."
poldy
May 15, 2013, 4:51:12 PM5/15/13
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In article <kn0ghp$fau$1...@dont-email.me>, Allen <lonewo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Warriors forward Harrison Barnes was named to the NBA
> All-Rookie first team, the league announced Tuesday. Then in Game 5 of
> the Western Conference semifinals, he went on to look like an All-NBA
> selection.
>
> Barnes led the Warriors with 25 points on 10-of-18 shooting to go with
> seven rebounds in a 109-91 loss to the San Antonio Spurs. He had his
> 3-pointer and his midrange shot going, and his post game looked
> unstoppable at times.
>
> "I didn't realize he could put the ball on the floor as much as he
> could," TNT analyst Kenny Smith said. "I didn't realize he had
> individual one-on-one moves. ... The NBA style of play and the way Mark
> Jackson has implemented him, the playoffs are a coming-out party for him."
>
> Barnes has scored 25 points in back-to-back playoff games. The last
> rookie to do that was the Spurs' Tim Duncan in 1998. He is the third
> player under 21 since 1979 to score 20 points or more four times in a
> single postseason. The other two: Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson.
Barnes scored against bigger and smaller defenders when switched up one
on one.
He knows how to back down and shoot over little guys or use his
quickness against bigger guys.
Klay Thompson has no such game. He's little more than a 3-point
specialist. KT works hard on defense and is more athletic than someone
like Morrow was. But he can't exploit smaller defenders any better than
Mike Dunleavy did.
Unless KT expands his game a lot next year, I think Barnes is a much
better complement to Curry to sign for an extension.
HB's scoring and shooting percentages are up in the playoffs. Pretty
sure the opposite is the case with KT, despite the monster game 2 he had.
wrote:
> Warriors forward Harrison Barnes was named to the NBA
> All-Rookie first team, the league announced Tuesday. Then in Game 5 of
> the Western Conference semifinals, he went on to look like an All-NBA
> selection.
>
> Barnes led the Warriors with 25 points on 10-of-18 shooting to go with
> seven rebounds in a 109-91 loss to the San Antonio Spurs. He had his
> 3-pointer and his midrange shot going, and his post game looked
> unstoppable at times.
>
> "I didn't realize he could put the ball on the floor as much as he
> could," TNT analyst Kenny Smith said. "I didn't realize he had
> individual one-on-one moves. ... The NBA style of play and the way Mark
> Jackson has implemented him, the playoffs are a coming-out party for him."
>
> Barnes has scored 25 points in back-to-back playoff games. The last
> rookie to do that was the Spurs' Tim Duncan in 1998. He is the third
> player under 21 since 1979 to score 20 points or more four times in a
> single postseason. The other two: Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson.
on one.
He knows how to back down and shoot over little guys or use his
quickness against bigger guys.
Klay Thompson has no such game. He's little more than a 3-point
specialist. KT works hard on defense and is more athletic than someone
like Morrow was. But he can't exploit smaller defenders any better than
Mike Dunleavy did.
Unless KT expands his game a lot next year, I think Barnes is a much
better complement to Curry to sign for an extension.
HB's scoring and shooting percentages are up in the playoffs. Pretty
sure the opposite is the case with KT, despite the monster game 2 he had.
Peter Lawrence
May 15, 2013, 5:22:19 PM5/15/13
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On 5/15/13 1:51 PM, poldy wrote:
>
> Barnes scored against bigger and smaller defenders when switched up one
> on one.
>
> He knows how to back down and shoot over little guys or use his
> quickness against bigger guys.
>
> Klay Thompson has no such game. He's little more than a 3-point
> specialist. KT works hard on defense and is more athletic than someone
> like Morrow was. But he can't exploit smaller defenders any better than
> Mike Dunleavy did.
>
> Unless KT expands his game a lot next year, I think Barnes is a much
> better complement to Curry to sign for an extension.
>
> HB's scoring and shooting percentages are up in the playoffs. Pretty
> sure the opposite is the case with KT, despite the monster game 2 he had.
Thompson is one of the Warriors best defenders. He can defend well without
>
> Barnes scored against bigger and smaller defenders when switched up one
> on one.
>
> He knows how to back down and shoot over little guys or use his
> quickness against bigger guys.
>
> Klay Thompson has no such game. He's little more than a 3-point
> specialist. KT works hard on defense and is more athletic than someone
> like Morrow was. But he can't exploit smaller defenders any better than
> Mike Dunleavy did.
>
> Unless KT expands his game a lot next year, I think Barnes is a much
> better complement to Curry to sign for an extension.
>
> HB's scoring and shooting percentages are up in the playoffs. Pretty
> sure the opposite is the case with KT, despite the monster game 2 he had.
drawing fouls. (Yes, it would be nice if he was more consistent with his
layups (and his 3-point shots)).
It would be best for the Warriors to keep BOTH Barnes and Thompson.
The Warriors best starting lineup next year (if everyone is healthy and
having time to practice together in the off-season) should be Curry,
Thompson, Barnes, Lee and Bogut.
- Peter
Don
May 15, 2013, 5:53:09 PM5/15/13
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On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:51:12 PM UTC-7, poldy wrote:
>
>
> Klay Thompson has no such game. He's little more than a 3-point
>
> specialist. KT works hard on defense and is more athletic than someone
>
> like Morrow was. But he can't exploit smaller defenders any better than
>
> Mike Dunleavy did.
>
>
>
> Unless KT expands his game a lot next year, I think Barnes is a much
>
> better complement to Curry to sign for an extension.
>
>
>
> HB's scoring and shooting percentages are up in the playoffs. Pretty
>
> sure the opposite is the case with KT, despite the monster game 2 he had.
Let's look at it from this perspective. Barnes was fairly passive during the season. Most likely he was deferring to Lee, Curry and Thompson. With Lee and Curry hurting and Thompson struggling, Barnes has really stepped it up.
>
>
> Klay Thompson has no such game. He's little more than a 3-point
>
> specialist. KT works hard on defense and is more athletic than someone
>
> like Morrow was. But he can't exploit smaller defenders any better than
>
> Mike Dunleavy did.
>
>
>
> Unless KT expands his game a lot next year, I think Barnes is a much
>
> better complement to Curry to sign for an extension.
>
>
>
> HB's scoring and shooting percentages are up in the playoffs. Pretty
>
> sure the opposite is the case with KT, despite the monster game 2 he had.
Next season, I can see the top three scorers being Curry, Lee and Barnes (not necessarily in that order either). If Thompson can still play defense like he has recently, then he's exactly what we wanted when we got rid of Monta. Thompson's a big shooting guard he can stay in front of smaller guys and bang against the bigger guys.
Thompson doesn't need to be a big scorer, but he needs to develop consistency on his shot. He may be better as just a catch and shoot player rather than trying to drive. Barnes has shown the ability to shoot and drive and he will be given free reign to do so.
DL
poldy
May 15, 2013, 6:14:51 PM5/15/13
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In article <774bc16e-9ea4-4ef0...@googlegroups.com>,
It's not just in this series. He scored more in the Denver series too
and increased his shooting percentage.
He was the most coveted recruit coming out of high school but didn't
dominate at North Carolina. Kenny Smith was saying in pickup games
during the offseason at NC, Barnes was showing these one on one skills.
and increased his shooting percentage.
He was the most coveted recruit coming out of high school but didn't
dominate at North Carolina. Kenny Smith was saying in pickup games
during the offseason at NC, Barnes was showing these one on one skills.
poldy
May 15, 2013, 6:19:59 PM5/15/13
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In article <kn0u36$dc$1...@dont-email.me>,
Barnes will never have the form that Thompson has. Hell Curry doesn't
have that form either but shoots a higher percentage than Thompson.
My point is, when it comes extension time, do you hand out $10 million
plus per year contracts to both KT and HB?
They're really playing the same position in a way, both 2 or 3. You
already gave the big contract to Curry. I don't know if you can give
big contracts to two more guards.
You can but then you end up with a Run TMC type of team, small ball
which is fun to watch but limited in how far you can go.
have that form either but shoots a higher percentage than Thompson.
My point is, when it comes extension time, do you hand out $10 million
plus per year contracts to both KT and HB?
They're really playing the same position in a way, both 2 or 3. You
already gave the big contract to Curry. I don't know if you can give
big contracts to two more guards.
You can but then you end up with a Run TMC type of team, small ball
which is fun to watch but limited in how far you can go.
Peter Lawrence
May 16, 2013, 3:48:52 AM5/16/13
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a small ball line up.
Thompson is a shooting guard that can also move over to small forward. But
I've never seen him play in the power forward spot.
And yes, you sign them both because one is the Warriors' shooting guard of
the future while the other is the Warriors' small forward of the future.
- Peter
poldy
May 17, 2013, 1:32:06 AM5/17/13
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In article <kn22pt$jg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
If you sign both of them, you'd be spending 1/2 to 2/3 of your cap on 3
perimeter players, 2 of which can't go to the hole -- that is why Jack
is overdribbling and trying to create a shot for himself, while Curry
and Thompson go to opposite corners acting as decoys.
Shots weren't falling tonight and they weren't working that hard.
Honestly, after the first two games, Leonard and Green outplayed both
Curry and Thompson, which is why the series is over.
If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
wont' improve the team.
perimeter players, 2 of which can't go to the hole -- that is why Jack
is overdribbling and trying to create a shot for himself, while Curry
and Thompson go to opposite corners acting as decoys.
Shots weren't falling tonight and they weren't working that hard.
Honestly, after the first two games, Leonard and Green outplayed both
Curry and Thompson, which is why the series is over.
If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
wont' improve the team.
Greg Lentz
May 17, 2013, 2:10:31 AM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 22:32:06 -0700, poldy <po...@kfu.com> wrote:
>In article <kn22pt$jg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> > They're really playing the same position in a way, both 2 or 3. You
>> > already gave the big contract to Curry. I don't know if you can give
>> > big contracts to two more guards.
>>
>>
>> Barnes is not a guard. He's a small forward that can play power forward in
>> a small ball line up.
>>
>> Thompson is a shooting guard that can also move over to small forward. But
>> I've never seen him play in the power forward spot.
>>
>> And yes, you sign them both because one is the Warriors' shooting guard of
>> the future while the other is the Warriors' small forward of the future.
>
>If you sign both of them, you'd be spending 1/2 to 2/3 of your cap on 3
>perimeter players, 2 of which can't go to the hole
If Thompson doesn't get better at finishing inside, he's not going to be a
>In article <kn22pt$jg4$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> > They're really playing the same position in a way, both 2 or 3. You
>> > already gave the big contract to Curry. I don't know if you can give
>> > big contracts to two more guards.
>>
>>
>> Barnes is not a guard. He's a small forward that can play power forward in
>> a small ball line up.
>>
>> Thompson is a shooting guard that can also move over to small forward. But
>> I've never seen him play in the power forward spot.
>>
>> And yes, you sign them both because one is the Warriors' shooting guard of
>> the future while the other is the Warriors' small forward of the future.
>
>If you sign both of them, you'd be spending 1/2 to 2/3 of your cap on 3
>perimeter players, 2 of which can't go to the hole
large part of anyone's cap. Barnes, who knows at this point. He showed a
lot more than I'd have expected this playoffs. I'm interested to see if
he adds to his game next year.
>Shots weren't falling tonight and they weren't working that hard.
>Honestly, after the first two games, Leonard and Green outplayed both
>Curry and Thompson, which is why the series is over.
making a lot of threes, we can't keep up with them. We were lucky to win
2.
>If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
>happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
>is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
>not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
>because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
>wont' improve the team.
or not. That will greatly affect the decisions over the next few years.
--
Greg Lentz
poldy
May 17, 2013, 11:19:26 AM5/17/13
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In article <9aibp8hq9o52711c6...@4ax.com>,
able to keep Landry or Jack.
Forget about improving, I think they may have problems matching what
they did this year.
Not that Jack is great but he gets a lot of minutes including in crunch
time because of the inadequacies of the splash brothers.
Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
> >happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
> >is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
> >not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
> >because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
> >wont' improve the team.
>
> Well, they need to find out next year whether Bogut will ever get healthy
> or not. That will greatly affect the decisions over the next few years.
> --
Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
> >If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
> >happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
> >is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
> >not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
> >because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
> >wont' improve the team.
>
> Well, they need to find out next year whether Bogut will ever get healthy
> or not. That will greatly affect the decisions over the next few years.
> --
able to keep Landry or Jack.
Forget about improving, I think they may have problems matching what
they did this year.
Not that Jack is great but he gets a lot of minutes including in crunch
time because of the inadequacies of the splash brothers.
Phantom Post
May 17, 2013, 2:12:50 PM5/17/13
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poldy <po...@kfu.com> wrote in news:poldy-2159F2.08192517052013
@news.eternal-september.org:
> Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
> able to keep Landry or Jack.
I'm pretty sure they can go over the cap to sign their own FAs but
they're right up there flirting with the luxury tax and not sure how far
into that they might want to go for those guys.
>
> Forget about improving, I think they may have problems matching what
> they did this year.
>
> Not that Jack is great but he gets a lot of minutes including in crunch
> time because of the inadequacies of the splash brothers.
>
This will be an interesting off season. What will the Myers regime do to
improve the team? At least they got to "showcase" Biedrins a bit the
last couple of games. Maybe they can trade that big contract. Can they
somehow move Jefferson? Will they bring Rush back or is he a good trade
piece. (I'd imagine folks will need to see him work after the injury.)
I'm hopin' Myers can pull off some tricks and trades.
From the internal development standpoint Bogut, Lee, and Curry need to
get their health issues healed/stabilized. Thompson and Barnes need to
work on their overall games and consistency. That's a pretty good
nucleus if the youngsters improve and everybody gets healthy.
I'm looking forward to watching Barnes develop. He's not afraid.
Thompson I worry about with the shot inconsistency. He drained a picture
perfect three - after the whistle - last night but couldn't hit crap
when it mattered. Will he continue to come up big against the Suns and
the Raptors in regular season but disappear in big games? Glad he
stepped up the defense. That's what will keep him in the league. Maybe
it's just a matter of experience and maturity?
--
Pat
email: valid would be net
@news.eternal-september.org:
> Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
> able to keep Landry or Jack.
they're right up there flirting with the luxury tax and not sure how far
into that they might want to go for those guys.
>
> Forget about improving, I think they may have problems matching what
> they did this year.
>
> Not that Jack is great but he gets a lot of minutes including in crunch
> time because of the inadequacies of the splash brothers.
>
improve the team? At least they got to "showcase" Biedrins a bit the
last couple of games. Maybe they can trade that big contract. Can they
somehow move Jefferson? Will they bring Rush back or is he a good trade
piece. (I'd imagine folks will need to see him work after the injury.)
I'm hopin' Myers can pull off some tricks and trades.
From the internal development standpoint Bogut, Lee, and Curry need to
get their health issues healed/stabilized. Thompson and Barnes need to
work on their overall games and consistency. That's a pretty good
nucleus if the youngsters improve and everybody gets healthy.
I'm looking forward to watching Barnes develop. He's not afraid.
Thompson I worry about with the shot inconsistency. He drained a picture
perfect three - after the whistle - last night but couldn't hit crap
when it mattered. Will he continue to come up big against the Suns and
the Raptors in regular season but disappear in big games? Glad he
stepped up the defense. That's what will keep him in the league. Maybe
it's just a matter of experience and maturity?
--
Pat
email: valid would be net
Phantom Post
May 17, 2013, 2:17:47 PM5/17/13
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Phantom Post <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:XnsA1C372964FCEEpa...@78.46.70.116:
>> Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
>> able to keep Landry or Jack.
>
> I'm pretty sure they can go over the cap to sign their own FAs but
> they're right up there flirting with the luxury tax and not sure how far
> into that they might want to go for those guys.
>
>
Just this second, saw on ESPN: Landry has a player option on his contract
for next year - so he could stay. Jack is a FA.
news:XnsA1C372964FCEEpa...@78.46.70.116:
>> Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
>> able to keep Landry or Jack.
>
> I'm pretty sure they can go over the cap to sign their own FAs but
> they're right up there flirting with the luxury tax and not sure how far
> into that they might want to go for those guys.
>
>
for next year - so he could stay. Jack is a FA.
NFN Smith
May 18, 2013, 11:05:04 AM5/18/13
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Phantom Post wrote:
> poldy <po...@kfu.com> wrote in news:poldy-2159F2.08192517052013
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
>> able to keep Landry or Jack.
>
> I'm pretty sure they can go over the cap to sign their own FAs but
> they're right up there flirting with the luxury tax and not sure how far
> into that they might want to go for those guys.
That's my understanding. The Warriors are way over the cap. They have
> poldy <po...@kfu.com> wrote in news:poldy-2159F2.08192517052013
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
>> able to keep Landry or Jack.
>
> I'm pretty sure they can go over the cap to sign their own FAs but
> they're right up there flirting with the luxury tax and not sure how far
> into that they might want to go for those guys.
a little room to resign their own guys, but it's likely to take going
into luxury tax territory to do it. I believe that the primary reason
the Warriors moved Jeremy Tyler and Charles Jenkins at the trade
deadline was to get away from the luxury tax threshold. Before that,
they were slightly over.
>>
>> Forget about improving, I think they may have problems matching what
>> they did this year.
>>
>> Not that Jack is great but he gets a lot of minutes including in crunch
>> time because of the inadequacies of the splash brothers.
>>
>
> This will be an interesting off season. What will the Myers regime do to
> improve the team? At least they got to "showcase" Biedrins a bit the
> last couple of games. Maybe they can trade that big contract. Can they
> somehow move Jefferson? Will they bring Rush back or is he a good trade
> piece. (I'd imagine folks will need to see him work after the injury.)
> I'm hopin' Myers can pull off some tricks and trades.
>
in regards to salary cap. A lot of dead weight from Biedrens and
Jefferson. The good news is, as far as I'm aware, that both are
contracts that expire at the end of 2014. Thus, they have some value as
trade bat, but I'm guessing that if they get moved, it will be at the
trade deadline, and not in the off-season.
My suspicion is that the Warriors may be quiet in this off-season,
unless Myers can pull off a multi-player (and possibly multi-team) deal
that moves either Jefferson or Biedrens to a team that's looking for
expiring contracts. Beyond that, mostly tinkering at the edges, to
manage the cap. I think Jack stays only if he's willing to accept the
mid-level exception. At that point, it's up to Jack, whether he's
content enough with being a part of this team at that salary level (and
likely reduced playing time), or he thinks he can get more money and
starter's minutes somewhere else.
Perhaps it's good that the Warriors don't have a first-round draft pick
this year.
> From the internal development standpoint Bogut, Lee, and Curry need to
> get their health issues healed/stabilized. Thompson and Barnes need to
> work on their overall games and consistency. That's a pretty good
> nucleus if the youngsters improve and everybody gets healthy.
for Bogut, Lee and Curry, and maturity from Thompson and Barnes (and for
that matter, Bazemore, Ezeli and Green, as the primary focus for
improving the team. Remember, there's also the European player drafted
last year, but I'll bet that they don't make any moves to put him on the
roster this year.
Smith
poldy
May 18, 2013, 2:41:07 PM5/18/13
to
In article <kn85b0$dhi$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>
> > From the internal development standpoint Bogut, Lee, and Curry need to
> > get their health issues healed/stabilized. Thompson and Barnes need to
> > work on their overall games and consistency. That's a pretty good
> > nucleus if the youngsters improve and everybody gets healthy.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors might bet on rest/recuperation
> for Bogut, Lee and Curry, and maturity from Thompson and Barnes (and for
> that matter, Bazemore, Ezeli and Green, as the primary focus for
> improving the team. Remember, there's also the European player drafted
> last year, but I'll bet that they don't make any moves to put him on the
> roster this year.
All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
and it won't be from Lee.
I'm hoping Brandon Rush comes back to his form before being injured and
can take some of Thompson's minutes and shots.
NFN Smith <worldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps it's good that the Warriors don't have a first-round draft pick
> this year.
That makes me feel better that they're out of the lottery.
> Perhaps it's good that the Warriors don't have a first-round draft pick
> this year.
>
> > From the internal development standpoint Bogut, Lee, and Curry need to
> > get their health issues healed/stabilized. Thompson and Barnes need to
> > work on their overall games and consistency. That's a pretty good
> > nucleus if the youngsters improve and everybody gets healthy.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors might bet on rest/recuperation
> for Bogut, Lee and Curry, and maturity from Thompson and Barnes (and for
> that matter, Bazemore, Ezeli and Green, as the primary focus for
> improving the team. Remember, there's also the European player drafted
> last year, but I'll bet that they don't make any moves to put him on the
> roster this year.
and it won't be from Lee.
I'm hoping Brandon Rush comes back to his form before being injured and
can take some of Thompson's minutes and shots.
Greg Lentz
May 19, 2013, 1:27:28 AM5/19/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:19:26 -0700, poldy <po...@kfu.com> wrote:
>In article <9aibp8hq9o52711c6...@4ax.com>,
> Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> >If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
>> >happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
>> >is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
>> >not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
>> >because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
>> >wont' improve the team.
>>
>> Well, they need to find out next year whether Bogut will ever get healthy
>> or not. That will greatly affect the decisions over the next few years.
>
>In article <9aibp8hq9o52711c6...@4ax.com>,
> Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> >If they devote that much of the cap to 3 perimeter players, what
>> >happened this year is about the best the Warriors could hope for, that
>> >is make some noise in the playoffs, like the Run TMC teams did, but then
>> >not take the next step up. Eventually, they'll recede into mediocrity
>> >because they will be just good enough to get a low draft pick and that
>> >wont' improve the team.
>>
>> Well, they need to find out next year whether Bogut will ever get healthy
>> or not. That will greatly affect the decisions over the next few years.
>
>Bill Simmons said they have no cap room next year. So they won't be
>able to keep Landry or Jack.
They have no cap room, regardless of whether Bill Simmons says it or not.
>able to keep Landry or Jack.
--
Greg Lentz
Peter Lawrence
May 19, 2013, 2:21:18 AM5/19/13
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On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>
> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
> and it won't be from Lee.
A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring. Don't know if it would be
>
> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
> and it won't be from Lee.
enough. Also, can Bogut stay healthy throughout a season?
- Peter
Greg Lentz
May 19, 2013, 2:23:16 AM5/19/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 23:21:18 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
wrote:
>On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>>
>> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
>> and it won't be from Lee.
>
>A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring.
That part of his career may be over.
>Don't know if it would be enough. Also, can Bogut stay healthy throughout
>a season?
Next year is make or break for him in that department.
--
Greg Lentz
wrote:
>On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>>
>> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
>> and it won't be from Lee.
>
>A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring.
>Don't know if it would be enough. Also, can Bogut stay healthy throughout
>a season?
--
Greg Lentz
Peter Lawrence
May 20, 2013, 1:07:18 AM5/20/13
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On 5/18/13 11:23 PM, Greg Lentz wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 23:21:18 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>> On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>>>
>>> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
>>> and it won't be from Lee.
>>
>> A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring.
>
> That part of his career may be over.
Maybe Jerry West can convince Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to teach Bogut his sky hook.
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 23:21:18 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>> On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>>>
>>> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
>>> and it won't be from Lee.
>>
>> A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring.
>
> That part of his career may be over.
;)
Greg Lentz
May 20, 2013, 1:28:43 AM5/20/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 22:07:18 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
from what the commentators were saying about it.
--
Greg Lentz
wrote:
>On 5/18/13 11:23 PM, Greg Lentz wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 23:21:18 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
>>>> and it won't be from Lee.
>>>
>>> A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring.
>>
>> That part of his career may be over.
>
>Maybe Jerry West can convince Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to teach Bogut his sky hook.
>
>;)
Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at least
>On 5/18/13 11:23 PM, Greg Lentz wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 23:21:18 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 5/18/13 11:41 AM, poldy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All the pundits said ultimately, the Warriors need more inside scoring
>>>> and it won't be from Lee.
>>>
>>> A healthy Bogut will provide more inside scoring.
>>
>> That part of his career may be over.
>
>Maybe Jerry West can convince Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to teach Bogut his sky hook.
>
>;)
from what the commentators were saying about it.
--
Greg Lentz
Phantom Post
May 20, 2013, 11:36:12 AM5/20/13
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Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
news:e3djp89ahd37r64i3...@4ax.com:
> Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at
> least from what the commentators were saying about it.
>
He just looks to be in major discomfort lumbering around the court. He
needs lots of rehab.
--
Pat
email: phartzATcoxDOTnet
news:e3djp89ahd37r64i3...@4ax.com:
> Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at
> least from what the commentators were saying about it.
>
needs lots of rehab.
--
Pat
email: phartzATcoxDOTnet
poldy
May 20, 2013, 2:09:34 PM5/20/13
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In article <XnsA1C658101881Epa...@78.46.70.116>,
Bogut can't hit the shot from the elbow.
So really they need to work on him slipping the screens and the PGs
delivering him the ball in a position to catch and dunk.
They did that effectively against the Nuggets in one of the home playoff
games but the Spurs were smart, not only having their big men get in
Curry's face but for the primary defender -- Green or Leonard -- to
continue to pursue Curry rather than switch on Bogut. They'd challenge
the shots or the trailing defender would knock the ball out from behind.
They would make it difficult for Curry to pass to Bogut by crowding him
with both defenders and as it is, Curry is often sloppy in making those
passes, having them batted or stolen outright.
Some PGs will just split the double-team with a crossover and get into
the lane and cause all kinds of havoc -- either a short tear drop for
himself or pass for a dunk or kick out for a wide-open 3.
Curry is obviously not that kind of a playmaker. Doesn't have the
strength or the quickness for it. I've seen Jack split double teams but
not consistently. He's too much of a shoot-first (though once he gets
into the lane, he was very effective with the tear drops and short
fadeaways) player.
Phantom Post <pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
> Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
> news:e3djp89ahd37r64i3...@4ax.com:
>
> > Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at
> > least from what the commentators were saying about it.
> >
>
> He just looks to be in major discomfort lumbering around the court. He
> needs lots of rehab.
One thing the team could do is work more on a pick and roll game but
> Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
> news:e3djp89ahd37r64i3...@4ax.com:
>
> > Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at
> > least from what the commentators were saying about it.
> >
>
> He just looks to be in major discomfort lumbering around the court. He
> needs lots of rehab.
Bogut can't hit the shot from the elbow.
So really they need to work on him slipping the screens and the PGs
delivering him the ball in a position to catch and dunk.
They did that effectively against the Nuggets in one of the home playoff
games but the Spurs were smart, not only having their big men get in
Curry's face but for the primary defender -- Green or Leonard -- to
continue to pursue Curry rather than switch on Bogut. They'd challenge
the shots or the trailing defender would knock the ball out from behind.
They would make it difficult for Curry to pass to Bogut by crowding him
with both defenders and as it is, Curry is often sloppy in making those
passes, having them batted or stolen outright.
Some PGs will just split the double-team with a crossover and get into
the lane and cause all kinds of havoc -- either a short tear drop for
himself or pass for a dunk or kick out for a wide-open 3.
Curry is obviously not that kind of a playmaker. Doesn't have the
strength or the quickness for it. I've seen Jack split double teams but
not consistently. He's too much of a shoot-first (though once he gets
into the lane, he was very effective with the tear drops and short
fadeaways) player.
Greg Lentz
May 21, 2013, 1:32:54 AM5/21/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:09:34 -0700, poldy <po...@kfu.com> wrote:
>In article <XnsA1C658101881Epa...@78.46.70.116>,
> Phantom Post <pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
>> news:e3djp89ahd37r64i3...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at
>> > least from what the commentators were saying about it.
>> >
>>
>> He just looks to be in major discomfort lumbering around the court. He
>> needs lots of rehab.
>
>One thing the team could do is work more on a pick and roll game but
>Bogut can't hit the shot from the elbow.
So roll all the way to the hoop. Problem is, he's got to be more mobile
>In article <XnsA1C658101881Epa...@78.46.70.116>,
> Phantom Post <pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
>> news:e3djp89ahd37r64i3...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > Bogut's arm appears to be an impediment in his capacity to score, at
>> > least from what the commentators were saying about it.
>> >
>>
>> He just looks to be in major discomfort lumbering around the court. He
>> needs lots of rehab.
>
>One thing the team could do is work more on a pick and roll game but
>Bogut can't hit the shot from the elbow.
to do that.
>They did that effectively against the Nuggets in one of the home playoff
>games but the Spurs were smart, not only having their big men get in
>Curry's face but for the primary defender -- Green or Leonard -- to
>continue to pursue Curry rather than switch on Bogut. They'd challenge
>the shots or the trailing defender would knock the ball out from behind.
Nuggets have Javale McGee and Kosta Koufos.
--
Greg Lentz
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