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May 19, 2013, 11:09:38 AM5/19/13
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with Tim Kawakami
Where do the Warriors go from here? A short list for the next hard journey
Posted by Tim Kawakami on May 17th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/05/17/where-do-the-warriors-go-from-here-a-short-list-for-the-next-hard-journey/#more-18432
* Straight from tonight�s Merc website (MY VERSION)/
The Warriors have earned their optimism fair and fervently this time.
So when I asked Stephen Curry on Friday if this franchise has the
players to win a championship soon, he didn�t need to offer any bit of
massaged truth.
�I think so�I mean, we�re young and we have a great core,� Curry said a
day after the Warriors� second-round exit.
�Obviously it takes a lot of things going right for anybody to win a
championship. But I feel like we have the pieces to do it.�
Curry said this with the pride and experience of just having taken the
Spurs to six games.
But as the players trickled into Warriors headquarters for their exit
interviews with coach Mark Jackson and general manager Bob Myers, there
was an obvious larger truth, too.
As much as it took to lift the Warriors to 47 victories and that
first-round conquering of Denver, it will take more to push them into
true title-contention.
Here are five central issues for the Warriors, in the order they�ll
probably have to deal with them�
1. When and how will they extend Jackson�s contract past 2013-2014,
currently his final guaranteed season?
After this stirring run, picking up Jackson�s option for 2014-2015 is a
no-brainer for Lacob, and probably will happen in the next month or so.
But the Warriors probably should look into signing Jackson for the
long-term�to assure the current core that their leader is staying around
and to attract free agents who like what they saw and heard this playoff
season.
2. What happens this summer with Jarrett Jack (unrestricted free agent)
and Carl Landry (can choose to become an unrestricted free agent)?
Andrew Bogut offered a logical opinion Friday: It�s probably financially
impossible for the Warriors to keep both.
Jack�s value to the Warriors exceeds Landry�s at this point, and I think
he�s far more likely to remain here.
3. Can the Warriors pull off a major trade to shore up their front court
or offensive play-making?
With Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green growing up during the playoffs,
David Lee is theoretically expendable, but in reality, actually not.
Lacob probably will not allow any serious trade discussions involving
his favorite player, and Lee�s salary doesn�t invite attractive offers,
anyway.
So, given their budget restraints and lack of a first-round pick, how
could the Warriors land a difference-maker such as Andre Iguodala or key
piece such as Eric Bledsoe?
Only by offering Barnes or Klay Thompson in trade talks, and I don�t
believe the Warriors will consider moving either young player this summer.
It�s more likely that the Warriors pick up moderate help here and
there�the way they picked up Jack and Landry last summer.
4. Can Curry and Bogut use the off-season to make sure their recurring
ankle issues are mostly gone by the time training camp starts?
For Curry, it�s not a major red flag any more�he got through the regular
season and 12 playoff games without missing a long stretch.
This summer he can focus on strengthening his game�literally, to absorb
the contact and help him power to the lane and draw more fouls.
For Bogut, the Warriors� most important player in the postseason� it�s
the whole deal and there will be no real answer until he shows up at
camp healthy (or not) and gets through an entire season (or not).
5. How much of the Warriors� hopes for contention depends on how good
Barnes can be and how fast he can get there?
�I know it�s a lot, I guess,� Barnes, 20, said. �I can either work on my
game, improve a lot, take some pressure off Steph, off Klay, those guys,
not only find the shot but also create for others. If I improve I can
obviously help.
�And if not, I guess, be in the exact same situation we were in this year.�
The future is bright. The key players are there. But so is the
responsibility: You don�t win championships by standing still; you win
them by constantly making the smartest decisions.
with Tim Kawakami
Where do the Warriors go from here? A short list for the next hard journey
Posted by Tim Kawakami on May 17th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/05/17/where-do-the-warriors-go-from-here-a-short-list-for-the-next-hard-journey/#more-18432
* Straight from tonight�s Merc website (MY VERSION)/
The Warriors have earned their optimism fair and fervently this time.
So when I asked Stephen Curry on Friday if this franchise has the
players to win a championship soon, he didn�t need to offer any bit of
massaged truth.
�I think so�I mean, we�re young and we have a great core,� Curry said a
day after the Warriors� second-round exit.
�Obviously it takes a lot of things going right for anybody to win a
championship. But I feel like we have the pieces to do it.�
Curry said this with the pride and experience of just having taken the
Spurs to six games.
But as the players trickled into Warriors headquarters for their exit
interviews with coach Mark Jackson and general manager Bob Myers, there
was an obvious larger truth, too.
As much as it took to lift the Warriors to 47 victories and that
first-round conquering of Denver, it will take more to push them into
true title-contention.
Here are five central issues for the Warriors, in the order they�ll
probably have to deal with them�
1. When and how will they extend Jackson�s contract past 2013-2014,
currently his final guaranteed season?
After this stirring run, picking up Jackson�s option for 2014-2015 is a
no-brainer for Lacob, and probably will happen in the next month or so.
But the Warriors probably should look into signing Jackson for the
long-term�to assure the current core that their leader is staying around
and to attract free agents who like what they saw and heard this playoff
season.
2. What happens this summer with Jarrett Jack (unrestricted free agent)
and Carl Landry (can choose to become an unrestricted free agent)?
Andrew Bogut offered a logical opinion Friday: It�s probably financially
impossible for the Warriors to keep both.
Jack�s value to the Warriors exceeds Landry�s at this point, and I think
he�s far more likely to remain here.
3. Can the Warriors pull off a major trade to shore up their front court
or offensive play-making?
With Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green growing up during the playoffs,
David Lee is theoretically expendable, but in reality, actually not.
Lacob probably will not allow any serious trade discussions involving
his favorite player, and Lee�s salary doesn�t invite attractive offers,
anyway.
So, given their budget restraints and lack of a first-round pick, how
could the Warriors land a difference-maker such as Andre Iguodala or key
piece such as Eric Bledsoe?
Only by offering Barnes or Klay Thompson in trade talks, and I don�t
believe the Warriors will consider moving either young player this summer.
It�s more likely that the Warriors pick up moderate help here and
there�the way they picked up Jack and Landry last summer.
4. Can Curry and Bogut use the off-season to make sure their recurring
ankle issues are mostly gone by the time training camp starts?
For Curry, it�s not a major red flag any more�he got through the regular
season and 12 playoff games without missing a long stretch.
This summer he can focus on strengthening his game�literally, to absorb
the contact and help him power to the lane and draw more fouls.
For Bogut, the Warriors� most important player in the postseason� it�s
the whole deal and there will be no real answer until he shows up at
camp healthy (or not) and gets through an entire season (or not).
5. How much of the Warriors� hopes for contention depends on how good
Barnes can be and how fast he can get there?
�I know it�s a lot, I guess,� Barnes, 20, said. �I can either work on my
game, improve a lot, take some pressure off Steph, off Klay, those guys,
not only find the shot but also create for others. If I improve I can
obviously help.
�And if not, I guess, be in the exact same situation we were in this year.�
The future is bright. The key players are there. But so is the
responsibility: You don�t win championships by standing still; you win
them by constantly making the smartest decisions.
Claude V. Lucas
May 19, 2013, 5:09:30 PM5/19/13
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In article <knapo3$j2s$4...@dont-email.me>, Allen <lonewo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Talking Points
>with Tim Kawakami
>Where do the Warriors go from here? A short list for the next hard journey
>Posted by Tim Kawakami on May 17th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
>http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/05/17/where-do-the-warriors-go-from-here-a-short-list-for-the-next-hard-journey/#more-18432
>
>
>* Straight from tonight�s Merc website (MY VERSION)/
>Talking Points
>with Tim Kawakami
>Where do the Warriors go from here? A short list for the next hard journey
>Posted by Tim Kawakami on May 17th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
>http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/05/17/where-do-the-warriors-go-from-here-a-short-list-for-the-next-hard-journey/#more-18432
>
>
>
>The Warriors have earned their optimism fair and fervently this time.
>
>So when I asked Stephen Curry on Friday if this franchise has the
>players to win a championship soon, he didn�t need to offer any bit of
>The Warriors have earned their optimism fair and fervently this time.
>
>So when I asked Stephen Curry on Friday if this franchise has the
>massaged truth.
>
>�I think so�I mean, we�re young and we have a great core,� Curry said a
>day after the Warriors� second-round exit.
>
>�Obviously it takes a lot of things going right for anybody to win a
>championship. But I feel like we have the pieces to do it.�
>
>Curry said this with the pride and experience of just having taken the
>Spurs to six games.
>
>
>But as the players trickled into Warriors headquarters for their exit
>interviews with coach Mark Jackson and general manager Bob Myers, there
>was an obvious larger truth, too.
>
>As much as it took to lift the Warriors to 47 victories and that
>first-round conquering of Denver, it will take more to push them into
>true title-contention.
>
>Here are five central issues for the Warriors, in the order they�ll
>Curry said this with the pride and experience of just having taken the
>Spurs to six games.
>
>
>But as the players trickled into Warriors headquarters for their exit
>interviews with coach Mark Jackson and general manager Bob Myers, there
>was an obvious larger truth, too.
>
>As much as it took to lift the Warriors to 47 victories and that
>first-round conquering of Denver, it will take more to push them into
>true title-contention.
>
>probably have to deal with them�
>
>1. When and how will they extend Jackson�s contract past 2013-2014,
>currently his final guaranteed season?
>
>After this stirring run, picking up Jackson�s option for 2014-2015 is a
>
>no-brainer for Lacob, and probably will happen in the next month or so.
>
>But the Warriors probably should look into signing Jackson for the
>long-term�to assure the current core that their leader is staying around
>
>But the Warriors probably should look into signing Jackson for the
>and to attract free agents who like what they saw and heard this playoff
>season.
>
>2. What happens this summer with Jarrett Jack (unrestricted free agent)
>and Carl Landry (can choose to become an unrestricted free agent)?
>
>Andrew Bogut offered a logical opinion Friday: It�s probably financially
>season.
>
>2. What happens this summer with Jarrett Jack (unrestricted free agent)
>and Carl Landry (can choose to become an unrestricted free agent)?
>
>impossible for the Warriors to keep both.
>
>Jack�s value to the Warriors exceeds Landry�s at this point, and I think
>
>he�s far more likely to remain here.
>
>3. Can the Warriors pull off a major trade to shore up their front court
>or offensive play-making?
>
>With Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green growing up during the playoffs,
>David Lee is theoretically expendable, but in reality, actually not.
>
>Lacob probably will not allow any serious trade discussions involving
>his favorite player, and Lee�s salary doesn�t invite attractive offers,
>3. Can the Warriors pull off a major trade to shore up their front court
>or offensive play-making?
>
>With Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green growing up during the playoffs,
>David Lee is theoretically expendable, but in reality, actually not.
>
>Lacob probably will not allow any serious trade discussions involving
>anyway.
>
>So, given their budget restraints and lack of a first-round pick, how
>could the Warriors land a difference-maker such as Andre Iguodala or key
>piece such as Eric Bledsoe?
>
>Only by offering Barnes or Klay Thompson in trade talks, and I don�t
>
>So, given their budget restraints and lack of a first-round pick, how
>could the Warriors land a difference-maker such as Andre Iguodala or key
>piece such as Eric Bledsoe?
>
>believe the Warriors will consider moving either young player this summer.
>
>It�s more likely that the Warriors pick up moderate help here and
>
>there�the way they picked up Jack and Landry last summer.
>
>4. Can Curry and Bogut use the off-season to make sure their recurring
>ankle issues are mostly gone by the time training camp starts?
>
>For Curry, it�s not a major red flag any more�he got through the regular
>4. Can Curry and Bogut use the off-season to make sure their recurring
>ankle issues are mostly gone by the time training camp starts?
>
>season and 12 playoff games without missing a long stretch.
>
>This summer he can focus on strengthening his game�literally, to absorb
>
>the contact and help him power to the lane and draw more fouls.
>
>For Bogut, the Warriors� most important player in the postseason� it�s
>
>the whole deal and there will be no real answer until he shows up at
>camp healthy (or not) and gets through an entire season (or not).
>
>5. How much of the Warriors� hopes for contention depends on how good
>camp healthy (or not) and gets through an entire season (or not).
>
>Barnes can be and how fast he can get there?
>
>�I know it�s a lot, I guess,� Barnes, 20, said. �I can either work on my
>
>game, improve a lot, take some pressure off Steph, off Klay, those guys,
>not only find the shot but also create for others. If I improve I can
>obviously help.
>
>�And if not, I guess, be in the exact same situation we were in this year.�
>not only find the shot but also create for others. If I improve I can
>obviously help.
>
>
>The future is bright. The key players are there. But so is the
>responsibility: You don�t win championships by standing still; you win
>The future is bright. The key players are there. But so is the
>them by constantly making the smartest decisions.
6. Conditioning.
IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short
around the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
A few less injuries and there wouldn't have been so many
minutes needed from the stars, but that's what happens.
Hopefully next year Curry, Thompson, Bogut, Barnes & Lee
and the others will be ready to play 50 minutes a game but
only need to play 35 or so instead of running dry.
I really don't think they need to trade anyone. There's
a great bunch in Oakland right now. They just need to
work more together and get in a bit better shape.
Greg Lentz
May 20, 2013, 1:27:01 AM5/20/13
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>Hopefully next year Curry, Thompson, Bogut, Barnes & Lee
>and the others will be ready to play 50 minutes a game but
>only need to play 35 or so instead of running dry.
>I really don't think they need to trade anyone. There's
>a great bunch in Oakland right now. They just need to
>work more together and get in a bit better shape.
better or you have to get better players.
--
Greg Lentz
Claude V. Lucas
May 20, 2013, 6:59:37 AM5/20/13
to
In article <ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com>,
OK.
>
>>Hopefully next year Curry, Thompson, Bogut, Barnes & Lee
>>and the others will be ready to play 50 minutes a game but
>>only need to play 35 or so instead of running dry.
>
>That doesn't exist in the NBA.
>
What doesn't exist in the NBA?
Adequate conditioning for the required effort?
>>I really don't think they need to trade anyone. There's
>>a great bunch in Oakland right now. They just need to
>>work more together and get in a bit better shape.
>
>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>better or you have to get better players.
Thanks for the insight.
>
>>Hopefully next year Curry, Thompson, Bogut, Barnes & Lee
>>and the others will be ready to play 50 minutes a game but
>>only need to play 35 or so instead of running dry.
>
>That doesn't exist in the NBA.
>
Adequate conditioning for the required effort?
>>I really don't think they need to trade anyone. There's
>>a great bunch in Oakland right now. They just need to
>>work more together and get in a bit better shape.
>
>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>better or you have to get better players.
Greg Lentz
May 20, 2013, 11:29:30 AM5/20/13
to
so dependent on Curry is part of why he keeps hurting his ankles because
we abused his minutes in the playoffs.
>>>I really don't think they need to trade anyone. There's
>>>a great bunch in Oakland right now. They just need to
>>>work more together and get in a bit better shape.
>>
>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>better or you have to get better players.
>
>Thanks for the insight.
than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
--
Greg Lentz
Phantom Post
May 20, 2013, 11:34:33 AM5/20/13
to
Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
news:ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com:
>>6. Conditioning.
>>
>>IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
>>gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short around
>>the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
>
> I don't see this as an issue at all.
>
>
Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue. Bogut, Lee, Curry.
Jack was Jack. Barnes hit his head. Nothing wrong with his conditioning
before that. Klay was just being Klank Thompson. Was that a conditioning
issue? I doubt it. He's a kid.
Injury luck is a major factor in advancing in the playoffs or winning it
all.
--
Pat
email: phartzATcoxDOTnet
news:ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com:
>>6. Conditioning.
>>
>>IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
>>gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short around
>>the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
>
> I don't see this as an issue at all.
>
>
Jack was Jack. Barnes hit his head. Nothing wrong with his conditioning
before that. Klay was just being Klank Thompson. Was that a conditioning
issue? I doubt it. He's a kid.
Injury luck is a major factor in advancing in the playoffs or winning it
all.
--
Pat
email: phartzATcoxDOTnet
Claude V. Lucas
May 20, 2013, 11:54:57 AM5/20/13
to
In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
I don't see why not, if they can take this year as
a lesson to be learned and get in better shape
overall, plus have a bit of luck regarding injuries.
IMO, if they hadn't blown game #1 and if they hadn't
run out of gas they'd have whipped the Spurs...
Lessons to be learned by a young team.
a lesson to be learned and get in better shape
overall, plus have a bit of luck regarding injuries.
IMO, if they hadn't blown game #1 and if they hadn't
run out of gas they'd have whipped the Spurs...
Lessons to be learned by a young team.
poldy
May 20, 2013, 2:01:40 PM5/20/13
to
In article <XnsA1C657C8EE4E7pa...@78.46.70.116>,
I think it's mroe about roster depth. When your starters go down, as
they will over the course of a long season, the backups have to be
productive.
Teams like the Spurs can manage without players like Parker and Ginobli
for long periods and still pile up wins. So that by the end of the
season, their older key players are recovered from injuries and they
still have a strong playoff position.
For teams like the Warriors, the dropoff wasn't so steep when Curry was
out because Jack had a good offensive season.
they will over the course of a long season, the backups have to be
productive.
Teams like the Spurs can manage without players like Parker and Ginobli
for long periods and still pile up wins. So that by the end of the
season, their older key players are recovered from injuries and they
still have a strong playoff position.
For teams like the Warriors, the dropoff wasn't so steep when Curry was
out because Jack had a good offensive season.
Greg Lentz
May 21, 2013, 1:20:11 AM5/21/13
to
On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:34:33 +0000 (UTC), Phantom Post
<pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
>news:ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com:
>
>>>6. Conditioning.
>>>
>>>IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
>>>gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short around
>>>the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
>>
>> I don't see this as an issue at all.
>>
>>
>
>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
<pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
>news:ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com:
>
>>>6. Conditioning.
>>>
>>>IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
>>>gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short around
>>>the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
>>
>> I don't see this as an issue at all.
>>
>>
>
>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
--
Greg Lentz
Greg Lentz
May 21, 2013, 1:31:17 AM5/21/13
to
On 20 May 2013 15:54:57 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>On 20 May 2013 10:59:37 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>>>better or you have to get better players.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the insight.
>>
>>So I presume you think that the players they have will grow to be better
>>than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
>
>I don't see why not
Is Curry going to be better than Durant? Unlikely. Curry can pass
>In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>On 20 May 2013 10:59:37 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>>>better or you have to get better players.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the insight.
>>
>>So I presume you think that the players they have will grow to be better
>>than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
>
>I don't see why not
better, but Durant is an excellent all-around talent and more durable.
Also a better defender. Probaly already about as good as Parker and
Memphis doesn't really have any star players per se (Gasol is the
closest).
Is somebody on the Warriors going to be better than Westbrook or Gasol?
Heck, is anybody on the Warriors going to be as good as Duncan is right
now at an advanced age? Bogut's health is fragile, Thompson has some
holes in his game offensively, and Lee doesn't provide much defense. The
wild card would be Barnes, who is athletic and looks like he could
eventually be a guy who can post, drive, and shoot (how efficiently
remains to be seen - he underachieved in college), but he'll probably
never be much of a passer.
>if they can take this year as a lesson to be learned
by having one of the 2-3 most elite players in the league on your team.
>and get in better shape
>plus have a bit of luck regarding injuries.
than luck to avoid injuries. Both of those guys need to heal and show
they can play 70 plus games healthy in a year. Curry played in 78 games
this year, but many of them were nights after he re-tweaked that ankle.
He's got to show it can be more durable if he wants to be an All-Star.
>IMO, if they hadn't blown game #1 and if they hadn't
>run out of gas they'd have whipped the Spurs...
deserve. In the other four games, the Spurs outplayed the Warriors most
of the time, mostly because they didn't make critical mistakes. This is
why most of the Warriors mentioned how they need to execute better after
that series - they witnessed the best team in the league at it dice them
up.
--
Greg Lentz
Claude V. Lucas
May 21, 2013, 7:09:13 AM5/21/13
to
In article <511mp85f87l2ukvr9...@4ax.com>,
be a better Steph Curry next year.
Being in better shape to cope with playoff stress would, IMO be
somethng to strive for.
He's mentioned in interviews that his legs ( not just the ankles )
were getting a bit tired and he was having trouble recovering
his strenght for the next game towards the end of the run.
>
>Is somebody on the Warriors going to be better than Westbrook or Gasol?
>Heck, is anybody on the Warriors going to be as good as Duncan is right
>now at an advanced age? Bogut's health is fragile, Thompson has some
>holes in his game offensively, and Lee doesn't provide much defense. The
>wild card would be Barnes, who is athletic and looks like he could
>eventually be a guy who can post, drive, and shoot (how efficiently
>remains to be seen - he underachieved in college), but he'll probably
>never be much of a passer.
Thompson has room to improve, but he just finished his second year
by running out of gas in the playoffs. Hopefully he'll take the hint.
Bogut can improve his health at least partially by improving his conditioning
as well. He was talking about that in one of the recently posted interviews.
Barnes just finished his first season. He'll do better as he plays more.
Lee seems like a smart and talented guy who'll fit in with
the system as they all grow with it.
>
>>if they can take this year as a lesson to be learned
>
>Lessons are nice, but the NBA, moreso than any other league, is won mostly
>by having one of the 2-3 most elite players in the league on your team.
>
>>and get in better shape
>
>This still isn't true. Conditioning is the least of the Warriors worries.
>
I disagree. Improving the conditioning of those who are already
there and seem to want to be there for the "new" Warriors will
provide much more of a boost than thrashing the roster with
different players without noticeably better skills who may
or may not be with the Plan.
There's a good bunch of players in Oakland already who need
to improve in some areas but they already seem to have a team
consciousness and respect for their teammates as well as
a cluey management that isn't very common in the Association
these days. ( cough, Lakers, cough )
>>plus have a bit of luck regarding injuries.
>
>They are built around two fragile players. They're going to need more
>than luck to avoid injuries. Both of those guys need to heal and show
>they can play 70 plus games healthy in a year. Curry played in 78 games
>this year, but many of them were nights after he re-tweaked that ankle.
>He's got to show it can be more durable if he wants to be an All-Star.
>
>>IMO, if they hadn't blown game #1 and if they hadn't
>>run out of gas they'd have whipped the Spurs...
>
>They blew game 1, but they also won Game 4, a game they didn't really
>deserve. In the other four games, the Spurs outplayed the Warriors most
>of the time, mostly because they didn't make critical mistakes. This is
>why most of the Warriors mentioned how they need to execute better after
>that series - they witnessed the best team in the league at it dice them
>up.
Another year with the core together, hopefully healthy enough to
all play a full season plus playoffs together, and they'll have
both enough free money and an attractive place to play for the
premium free agents.
Hopefully they wont blow it on some diva who wrecks the chemistry...
Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>On 20 May 2013 15:54:57 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>>In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>On 20 May 2013 10:59:37 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>>>>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>>>>better or you have to get better players.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the insight.
>>>
>>>So I presume you think that the players they have will grow to be better
>>>than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
>>
>>I don't see why not
>
>Is Curry going to be better than Durant? Unlikely. Curry can pass
>better, but Durant is an excellent all-around talent and more durable.
>Also a better defender. Probaly already about as good as Parker and
>Memphis doesn't really have any star players per se (Gasol is the
>closest).
Curry doesn't need to be "better" than Durant, he just needs to
>On 20 May 2013 15:54:57 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>>In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>On 20 May 2013 10:59:37 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>>>>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>>>>better or you have to get better players.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the insight.
>>>
>>>So I presume you think that the players they have will grow to be better
>>>than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
>>
>>I don't see why not
>
>Is Curry going to be better than Durant? Unlikely. Curry can pass
>better, but Durant is an excellent all-around talent and more durable.
>Also a better defender. Probaly already about as good as Parker and
>Memphis doesn't really have any star players per se (Gasol is the
>closest).
be a better Steph Curry next year.
Being in better shape to cope with playoff stress would, IMO be
somethng to strive for.
He's mentioned in interviews that his legs ( not just the ankles )
were getting a bit tired and he was having trouble recovering
his strenght for the next game towards the end of the run.
>
>Is somebody on the Warriors going to be better than Westbrook or Gasol?
>Heck, is anybody on the Warriors going to be as good as Duncan is right
>now at an advanced age? Bogut's health is fragile, Thompson has some
>holes in his game offensively, and Lee doesn't provide much defense. The
>wild card would be Barnes, who is athletic and looks like he could
>eventually be a guy who can post, drive, and shoot (how efficiently
>remains to be seen - he underachieved in college), but he'll probably
>never be much of a passer.
by running out of gas in the playoffs. Hopefully he'll take the hint.
Bogut can improve his health at least partially by improving his conditioning
as well. He was talking about that in one of the recently posted interviews.
Barnes just finished his first season. He'll do better as he plays more.
Lee seems like a smart and talented guy who'll fit in with
the system as they all grow with it.
>
>>if they can take this year as a lesson to be learned
>
>Lessons are nice, but the NBA, moreso than any other league, is won mostly
>by having one of the 2-3 most elite players in the league on your team.
>
>>and get in better shape
>
>This still isn't true. Conditioning is the least of the Warriors worries.
>
there and seem to want to be there for the "new" Warriors will
provide much more of a boost than thrashing the roster with
different players without noticeably better skills who may
or may not be with the Plan.
There's a good bunch of players in Oakland already who need
to improve in some areas but they already seem to have a team
consciousness and respect for their teammates as well as
a cluey management that isn't very common in the Association
these days. ( cough, Lakers, cough )
>>plus have a bit of luck regarding injuries.
>
>They are built around two fragile players. They're going to need more
>than luck to avoid injuries. Both of those guys need to heal and show
>they can play 70 plus games healthy in a year. Curry played in 78 games
>this year, but many of them were nights after he re-tweaked that ankle.
>He's got to show it can be more durable if he wants to be an All-Star.
>
>>IMO, if they hadn't blown game #1 and if they hadn't
>>run out of gas they'd have whipped the Spurs...
>
>They blew game 1, but they also won Game 4, a game they didn't really
>deserve. In the other four games, the Spurs outplayed the Warriors most
>of the time, mostly because they didn't make critical mistakes. This is
>why most of the Warriors mentioned how they need to execute better after
>that series - they witnessed the best team in the league at it dice them
>up.
all play a full season plus playoffs together, and they'll have
both enough free money and an attractive place to play for the
premium free agents.
Hopefully they wont blow it on some diva who wrecks the chemistry...
Claude V. Lucas
May 21, 2013, 7:10:34 AM5/21/13
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In article <iv0mp85fibh71mcvn...@4ax.com>,
Ah.
Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
Phantom Post
May 21, 2013, 12:02:38 PM5/21/13
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cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote in news:519b562a$0$52754
$742e...@news.sonic.net:
>>>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
>>
>>Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
>>--
>
> Ah.
>
> Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
>
> What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
>
Don't construe this as me being one of Mr. Diplomacy's sock puppets but,
Bogut has had an ankle/foot/leg injury for a couple of years now. It's a
no brainer that his conditioning would suffer because of that. It's hard
to work out and he's not been playing much. Much the same for Curry.
With constant ankle injuries you can bet he's cut down on extra
conditioning work plus anything that he does do on the court is that much
harder.
Lee's injury was from a hard/awkward fall. Nothing to do with
conditioning. Barnes seemed to have lot of spring in his step right up
until he hit his head, and even after, in that last game. Thompson
probably did learn something about the amount of effort it takes to
defend the other teams best perimeter player and be a top flight 2 guard.
I don't think conditioning was the crux of this though. Thompson's got
plenty do deal with to improve his game.
I think somewhat reduce minutes throughout the season for the core
players would be of the most benefit. Everybody watched Pop rest his
guys during the season. Even though hurt the Warriors just couldn't
afford to rest Curry at any point. There is the marathon aspect of an
NBA season to be considered.
--
Pat
email: phartzATcoxDOTnet
$742e...@news.sonic.net:
>>>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
>>
>>Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
>>--
>
> Ah.
>
> Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
>
> What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
>
Bogut has had an ankle/foot/leg injury for a couple of years now. It's a
no brainer that his conditioning would suffer because of that. It's hard
to work out and he's not been playing much. Much the same for Curry.
With constant ankle injuries you can bet he's cut down on extra
conditioning work plus anything that he does do on the court is that much
harder.
Lee's injury was from a hard/awkward fall. Nothing to do with
conditioning. Barnes seemed to have lot of spring in his step right up
until he hit his head, and even after, in that last game. Thompson
probably did learn something about the amount of effort it takes to
defend the other teams best perimeter player and be a top flight 2 guard.
I don't think conditioning was the crux of this though. Thompson's got
plenty do deal with to improve his game.
I think somewhat reduce minutes throughout the season for the core
players would be of the most benefit. Everybody watched Pop rest his
guys during the season. Even though hurt the Warriors just couldn't
afford to rest Curry at any point. There is the marathon aspect of an
NBA season to be considered.
--
Pat
email: phartzATcoxDOTnet
Claude V. Lucas
May 21, 2013, 2:00:47 PM5/21/13
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In article <XnsA1C75C8E42633pa...@78.46.70.116>,
in this off season. They were so close this year, but not close
enough, conditioning-wise, for the reasons you mentioned.
I'm fairly certain that few of the Warriors, staff or players
other than maybe Jerry West and/or Mark Jackson had any
idea of the physical demands of playoff success.
>
>Lee's injury was from a hard/awkward fall. Nothing to do with
>conditioning. Barnes seemed to have lot of spring in his step right up
>until he hit his head, and even after, in that last game. Thompson
>probably did learn something about the amount of effort it takes to
>defend the other teams best perimeter player and be a top flight 2 guard.
>I don't think conditioning was the crux of this though. Thompson's got
>plenty do deal with to improve his game.
Lee's injury was unfortunate, we really didn't get to see how
he would do in the playoffs when healthy. IMO, none of the young
( first and second year ) guys were ready for the intensity and
demands on their bodies. It's impossible to do so without being
there at least once unless the player is exceptionally gifted.
>
>I think somewhat reduce minutes throughout the season for the core
>players would be of the most benefit. Everybody watched Pop rest his
>guys during the season. Even though hurt the Warriors just couldn't
>afford to rest Curry at any point. There is the marathon aspect of an
>NBA season to be considered.
>
Yep, if one is to successfully run a marathon they best
be in adequate condition to do so.
I'm having trouble seeing how the W's could change their
roster for the better this offseason considering their
cap issues and considering the quality of the players
they already have.
It seems as if they already have a good group that
enjoys being around one another and is willing to
make each other better. I'd hate to see them screw
that up for the sake of getting a diva "superstar"
unless the one with initials of an ex-president
somehow decides he wishes to enjoy California life.
Not likely...
Phantom Post <pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote in news:519b562a$0$52754
>$742e...@news.sonic.net:
>
>>>>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
>>>
>>>Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
>>>--
>>
>> Ah.
>>
>> Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
>>
>> What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
>>
>
>Don't construe this as me being one of Mr. Diplomacy's sock puppets but,
>Bogut has had an ankle/foot/leg injury for a couple of years now. It's a
>no brainer that his conditioning would suffer because of that. It's hard
>to work out and he's not been playing much. Much the same for Curry.
>With constant ankle injuries you can bet he's cut down on extra
>conditioning work plus anything that he does do on the court is that much
>harder.
Of course, but that's all the more reason to work on conditioning
>cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote in news:519b562a$0$52754
>$742e...@news.sonic.net:
>
>>>>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
>>>
>>>Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
>>>--
>>
>> Ah.
>>
>> Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
>>
>> What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
>>
>
>Don't construe this as me being one of Mr. Diplomacy's sock puppets but,
>Bogut has had an ankle/foot/leg injury for a couple of years now. It's a
>no brainer that his conditioning would suffer because of that. It's hard
>to work out and he's not been playing much. Much the same for Curry.
>With constant ankle injuries you can bet he's cut down on extra
>conditioning work plus anything that he does do on the court is that much
>harder.
in this off season. They were so close this year, but not close
enough, conditioning-wise, for the reasons you mentioned.
I'm fairly certain that few of the Warriors, staff or players
other than maybe Jerry West and/or Mark Jackson had any
idea of the physical demands of playoff success.
>
>Lee's injury was from a hard/awkward fall. Nothing to do with
>conditioning. Barnes seemed to have lot of spring in his step right up
>until he hit his head, and even after, in that last game. Thompson
>probably did learn something about the amount of effort it takes to
>defend the other teams best perimeter player and be a top flight 2 guard.
>I don't think conditioning was the crux of this though. Thompson's got
>plenty do deal with to improve his game.
he would do in the playoffs when healthy. IMO, none of the young
( first and second year ) guys were ready for the intensity and
demands on their bodies. It's impossible to do so without being
there at least once unless the player is exceptionally gifted.
>
>I think somewhat reduce minutes throughout the season for the core
>players would be of the most benefit. Everybody watched Pop rest his
>guys during the season. Even though hurt the Warriors just couldn't
>afford to rest Curry at any point. There is the marathon aspect of an
>NBA season to be considered.
>
be in adequate condition to do so.
I'm having trouble seeing how the W's could change their
roster for the better this offseason considering their
cap issues and considering the quality of the players
they already have.
It seems as if they already have a good group that
enjoys being around one another and is willing to
make each other better. I'd hate to see them screw
that up for the sake of getting a diva "superstar"
unless the one with initials of an ex-president
somehow decides he wishes to enjoy California life.
Not likely...
Greg Lentz
May 22, 2013, 12:20:22 AM5/22/13
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On 21 May 2013 11:09:13 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>In article <511mp85f87l2ukvr9...@4ax.com>,
>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>On 20 May 2013 15:54:57 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
>>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>On 20 May 2013 10:59:37 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>
>>>>>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>>>>>better or you have to get better players.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the insight.
>>>>
>>>>So I presume you think that the players they have will grow to be better
>>>>than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
>>>
>>>I don't see why not
>>
>>Is Curry going to be better than Durant? Unlikely. Curry can pass
>>better, but Durant is an excellent all-around talent and more durable.
>>Also a better defender. Probaly already about as good as Parker and
>>Memphis doesn't really have any star players per se (Gasol is the
>>closest).
>
>Curry doesn't need to be "better" than Durant, he just needs to
>be a better Steph Curry next year.
If you want to beat teams in the NBA, generally your best players have to
>In article <511mp85f87l2ukvr9...@4ax.com>,
>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>On 20 May 2013 15:54:57 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <a6gkp8h9dvn13d0mg...@4ax.com>,
>>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>On 20 May 2013 10:59:37 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>
>>>>>>In order to beat teams better than you, your players either have to get
>>>>>>better or you have to get better players.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the insight.
>>>>
>>>>So I presume you think that the players they have will grow to be better
>>>>than the Thunder (healthy), Grizzlies, and Spurs.
>>>
>>>I don't see why not
>>
>>Is Curry going to be better than Durant? Unlikely. Curry can pass
>>better, but Durant is an excellent all-around talent and more durable.
>>Also a better defender. Probaly already about as good as Parker and
>>Memphis doesn't really have any star players per se (Gasol is the
>>closest).
>
>Curry doesn't need to be "better" than Durant, he just needs to
>be a better Steph Curry next year.
be better than the other team's best players. Depth does not win
basketball games.
>Being in better shape to cope with playoff stress would, IMO be
>somethng to strive for.
game. Statements like that display a lack of understanding about how pro
basketball works.
>He's mentioned in interviews that his legs ( not just the ankles )
>were getting a bit tired and he was having trouble recovering
>his strenght for the next game towards the end of the run.
>>Is somebody on the Warriors going to be better than Westbrook or Gasol?
>>Heck, is anybody on the Warriors going to be as good as Duncan is right
>>now at an advanced age? Bogut's health is fragile, Thompson has some
>>holes in his game offensively, and Lee doesn't provide much defense. The
>>wild card would be Barnes, who is athletic and looks like he could
>>eventually be a guy who can post, drive, and shoot (how efficiently
>>remains to be seen - he underachieved in college), but he'll probably
>>never be much of a passer.
>
>Thompson has room to improve, but he just finished his second year
>by running out of gas in the playoffs. Hopefully he'll take the hint.
had to play more defense than most of the other guys.
>Bogut can improve his health at least partially by improving his conditioning
>as well.
>He was talking about that in one of the recently posted interviews.
>Barnes just finished his first season. He'll do better as he plays more.
much better. He has the physical talent. He has to show the initiative
to improve his skills. Some very physically talented players never
improve as much as they could because they don't work hard enough. We
don't know yet which guy Barnes is.
>Lee seems like a smart and talented guy who'll fit in with
>the system as they all grow with it.
doesn't play defense that well (many NBA players don't) is not quite as
crippling because he's not selfish on offense. If you're selfish on
offense and don't work on defense, well that's a problem. You just have
to make sure a guy like that either is so good offensively (say Steve
Nash) that you can find other guys to do the defensive work or that you
don't make that guy a higher offensive priority than he should be.
On a team that wants to conten for the conference finals, Lee has to be
your third best offensive player. Getting Lee the ball should never be
the priority over getting Curry the ball unless Curry needs to rest on the
court or Lee has an extreme mismatch in his favor.
>>>if they can take this year as a lesson to be learned
>>
>>Lessons are nice, but the NBA, moreso than any other league, is won mostly
>>by having one of the 2-3 most elite players in the league on your team.
>>
>>>and get in better shape
>>
>>This still isn't true. Conditioning is the least of the Warriors worries.
>
>I disagree.
--
Greg Lentz
Greg Lentz
May 22, 2013, 12:21:09 AM5/22/13
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>What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
--
Greg Lentz
Claude V. Lucas
May 22, 2013, 6:53:41 AM5/22/13
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In article <n9hop81efvbkfkpks...@4ax.com>,
LOL.
>
>>He's mentioned in interviews that his legs ( not just the ankles )
>>were getting a bit tired and he was having trouble recovering
>>his strenght for the next game towards the end of the run.
>
>Gee, I wonder why that was.
>
Maybe he needed better conditioning.
>>>Is somebody on the Warriors going to be better than Westbrook or Gasol?
>>>Heck, is anybody on the Warriors going to be as good as Duncan is right
>>>now at an advanced age? Bogut's health is fragile, Thompson has some
>>>holes in his game offensively, and Lee doesn't provide much defense. The
>>>wild card would be Barnes, who is athletic and looks like he could
>>>eventually be a guy who can post, drive, and shoot (how efficiently
>>>remains to be seen - he underachieved in college), but he'll probably
>>>never be much of a passer.
>>
>>Thompson has room to improve, but he just finished his second year
>>by running out of gas in the playoffs. Hopefully he'll take the hint.
>
>Thompson was probably the one guy who was least out of gas, even though he
>had to play more defense than most of the other guys.
>
>>Bogut can improve his health at least partially by improving his conditioning
>>as well.
>
>Hard to get in shape for basketball when you can't run.
>
>>He was talking about that in one of the recently posted interviews.
>
>I'm sure you'll find it for us.
I'm sure.
We?
>
>>He's mentioned in interviews that his legs ( not just the ankles )
>>were getting a bit tired and he was having trouble recovering
>>his strenght for the next game towards the end of the run.
>
>Gee, I wonder why that was.
>
>>>Is somebody on the Warriors going to be better than Westbrook or Gasol?
>>>Heck, is anybody on the Warriors going to be as good as Duncan is right
>>>now at an advanced age? Bogut's health is fragile, Thompson has some
>>>holes in his game offensively, and Lee doesn't provide much defense. The
>>>wild card would be Barnes, who is athletic and looks like he could
>>>eventually be a guy who can post, drive, and shoot (how efficiently
>>>remains to be seen - he underachieved in college), but he'll probably
>>>never be much of a passer.
>>
>>Thompson has room to improve, but he just finished his second year
>>by running out of gas in the playoffs. Hopefully he'll take the hint.
>
>Thompson was probably the one guy who was least out of gas, even though he
>had to play more defense than most of the other guys.
>
>>Bogut can improve his health at least partially by improving his conditioning
>>as well.
>
>Hard to get in shape for basketball when you can't run.
>
>>He was talking about that in one of the recently posted interviews.
>
>I'm sure you'll find it for us.
Claude V. Lucas
May 22, 2013, 6:58:18 AM5/22/13
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In article <fshop8tpo5dkh6sos...@4ax.com>,
WTF are you nattering about?
You probably shouldn't post when you are not sober.
Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>On 21 May 2013 11:10:34 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>>In article <iv0mp85fibh71mcvn...@4ax.com>,
>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:34:33 +0000 (UTC), Phantom Post
>>><pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
>>>>news:ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>>>6. Conditioning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
>>>>>>gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short around
>>>>>>the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see this as an issue at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
>>>
>>>Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
>>>--
>>
>>Ah.
>>
>>Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
>
>No. You're pretending because you're pretending.
>
>>What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
>
>You probably shouldn't expose your motives so transparently.
"Motives"? "Transparently"?
>On 21 May 2013 11:10:34 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>
>>In article <iv0mp85fibh71mcvn...@4ax.com>,
>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:34:33 +0000 (UTC), Phantom Post
>>><pha...@cox.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Greg Lentz <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
>>>>news:ktcjp8tughhj9p8hu...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>>>6. Conditioning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMO, the W's would have beat the Spurs if they (all) hadn't
>>>>>>gassed out. Those pretty jumpers started to fall a bit short around
>>>>>>the middle of the fourth game and that was it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see this as an issue at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not so much a conditioning issue as an injury issue.
>>>
>>>Of course it is. Claude just decided to pretend it wasn't.
>>>--
>>
>>Ah.
>>
>>Now I'm "pretending" because I have a differing opinion?
>
>No. You're pretending because you're pretending.
>
>>What's next, the legion of sock puppets to "agree" with you?
>
>You probably shouldn't expose your motives so transparently.
WTF are you nattering about?
You probably shouldn't post when you are not sober.
Don
May 23, 2013, 2:45:13 AM5/23/13
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Claude,
While being in "shape" is important for ANY sport, it doesn't necessarily mean you will be better than the other team. Plus who says that other team's aren't going to be in shape? These guys are professional after all. So if you ASSUME all teams conditionally equally, then winning teams boil down to which team is ultimately better.
This also doesn't take into account a million other variables. No matter how in shape you are, everybody recovers differently. Being in shape may be good for me (a rec league player playing against other rec league players) but professionals have a lot of other things to take into consideration (travel, back to back games, injuries, etc, etc).
Note being in shape doesn't mean you're free from injury (see Michael Crabtree today).
The one biggest factor that WILL HELP the Warriors next season is that they played in the playoffs. I believe that the playoff experience will benefit them in the regular season. The Warriors know they have another gear they can shift to if needed. No more losing to the lower level teams like the Kings / Magic / etc. The Warriors can turn on the intensity and finish teams instead of letting them hang around.
If the Warriors "win the games they should", this will help them rest the starters more and they will be more healthy entering the playoffs.
Conditioning is important. But all the conditioning in the world won't help if you're not healthy. Health is the #1 concern for the Warriors next season. If the Warriors are healthy, they will be in good condition and ready to make some noise next year.
DL
While being in "shape" is important for ANY sport, it doesn't necessarily mean you will be better than the other team. Plus who says that other team's aren't going to be in shape? These guys are professional after all. So if you ASSUME all teams conditionally equally, then winning teams boil down to which team is ultimately better.
This also doesn't take into account a million other variables. No matter how in shape you are, everybody recovers differently. Being in shape may be good for me (a rec league player playing against other rec league players) but professionals have a lot of other things to take into consideration (travel, back to back games, injuries, etc, etc).
Note being in shape doesn't mean you're free from injury (see Michael Crabtree today).
The one biggest factor that WILL HELP the Warriors next season is that they played in the playoffs. I believe that the playoff experience will benefit them in the regular season. The Warriors know they have another gear they can shift to if needed. No more losing to the lower level teams like the Kings / Magic / etc. The Warriors can turn on the intensity and finish teams instead of letting them hang around.
If the Warriors "win the games they should", this will help them rest the starters more and they will be more healthy entering the playoffs.
Conditioning is important. But all the conditioning in the world won't help if you're not healthy. Health is the #1 concern for the Warriors next season. If the Warriors are healthy, they will be in good condition and ready to make some noise next year.
DL
Don
May 23, 2013, 3:02:28 AM5/23/13
to
On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:58:18 AM UTC-7, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>
>
> "Motives"? "Transparently"?
>
> WTF are you nattering about?
>
> You probably shouldn't post when you are not sober.
On a side note, it's never good Usenet etiquette to throw insults around.
>
>
> "Motives"? "Transparently"?
>
> WTF are you nattering about?
>
> You probably shouldn't post when you are not sober.
Additionally, never good to argue with Greg. Greg's has a tendency to be very direct (call it critical if you wish) of people who post things he doesn't think are logical.
Greg's toned it down over the years but you may be turning back the clock. I've been around here since the mid 1990's so I know from experience.
:)
DL
Claude V. Lucas
May 23, 2013, 8:24:57 AM5/23/13
to
In article <d17633f5-1c6b-403f...@googlegroups.com>,
were apparently gassing out when they let the Spurs slip away.
Lots of jumpers that were hitting the bottom of the net started
falling an inch or two short the last couple of games.
If *they* were in better condition, perhaps they would
hav made it past mile 23 of the marathon.
I definitely do not believe all teams in pro sports
adequately emphasise the need for proper conditioning
to their young millionaires. I'm sure that some do.
>
>This also doesn't take into account a million other variables. No matter how in shape you are,
>everybody recovers differently. Being in shape may be good for me (a rec league player playing
>against other rec league players) but professionals have a lot of other things to take into
>consideration (travel, back to back games, injuries, etc, etc).
>
Of course, that's why the players and the staff are
extremely well paid.
>Note being in shape doesn't mean you're free from injury (see Michael Crabtree today).
>
I'll see your Crabtree and raise you a Jerry Rice, who would
be someone to point to as an example of superior conditioning
due to a superior work ethic...
IMO, JR turned himself into arguably one of the best football
players ever with a legendary conditioning routine.
Most everyone in sports gets injured at some point or another
unless they are extremely fortunate.
Better conditioning allows one to heal more rapidly, so I'm told.
>The one biggest factor that WILL HELP the Warriors next season is that they played in the
>playoffs. I believe that the playoff experience will benefit them in the regular season.
>The Warriors know they have another gear they can shift to if needed. No more losing to the
>lower level teams like the Kings / Magic / etc. The Warriors can turn on the intensity and
>finish teams instead of letting them hang around.
Sure. Experience is invaluable.
Now they know what they need to do to finish the marathon in the future.
Hopefully when they shift into that next gear they won't drain the tank.
>
>If the Warriors "win the games they should", this will help them rest the starters more and
>they will be more healthy entering the playoffs.
>
>Conditioning is important. But all the conditioning in the world won't help if you're not
>healthy. Health is the #1 concern for the Warriors next season. If the Warriors are healthy,
>they will be in good condition and ready to make some noise next year.
IMO, proper healing of various injuries is part of being in adequate condition.
If the W's train this offseason as if they *expect* that they will need to play
an extra 28 games in May and June instead of going home and wondering who their
new teammates will be then they'll be more likely to meet the physical and mental
challenges if they actually get that far again.
Don <coa...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Claude,
>
>While being in "shape" is important for ANY sport, it doesn't necessarily mean you will be
>better than the other team. Plus who says that other team's aren't going to be in shape?
>These guys are professional after all. So if you ASSUME all teams conditionally equally, then
>winning teams boil down to which team is ultimately better.
I didn't assume anything, I merely noticed the W's young stars
>Claude,
>
>While being in "shape" is important for ANY sport, it doesn't necessarily mean you will be
>better than the other team. Plus who says that other team's aren't going to be in shape?
>These guys are professional after all. So if you ASSUME all teams conditionally equally, then
>winning teams boil down to which team is ultimately better.
were apparently gassing out when they let the Spurs slip away.
Lots of jumpers that were hitting the bottom of the net started
falling an inch or two short the last couple of games.
If *they* were in better condition, perhaps they would
hav made it past mile 23 of the marathon.
I definitely do not believe all teams in pro sports
adequately emphasise the need for proper conditioning
to their young millionaires. I'm sure that some do.
>
>This also doesn't take into account a million other variables. No matter how in shape you are,
>everybody recovers differently. Being in shape may be good for me (a rec league player playing
>against other rec league players) but professionals have a lot of other things to take into
>consideration (travel, back to back games, injuries, etc, etc).
>
extremely well paid.
>Note being in shape doesn't mean you're free from injury (see Michael Crabtree today).
>
be someone to point to as an example of superior conditioning
due to a superior work ethic...
IMO, JR turned himself into arguably one of the best football
players ever with a legendary conditioning routine.
Most everyone in sports gets injured at some point or another
unless they are extremely fortunate.
Better conditioning allows one to heal more rapidly, so I'm told.
>The one biggest factor that WILL HELP the Warriors next season is that they played in the
>playoffs. I believe that the playoff experience will benefit them in the regular season.
>The Warriors know they have another gear they can shift to if needed. No more losing to the
>lower level teams like the Kings / Magic / etc. The Warriors can turn on the intensity and
>finish teams instead of letting them hang around.
Now they know what they need to do to finish the marathon in the future.
Hopefully when they shift into that next gear they won't drain the tank.
>
>If the Warriors "win the games they should", this will help them rest the starters more and
>they will be more healthy entering the playoffs.
>
>Conditioning is important. But all the conditioning in the world won't help if you're not
>healthy. Health is the #1 concern for the Warriors next season. If the Warriors are healthy,
>they will be in good condition and ready to make some noise next year.
If the W's train this offseason as if they *expect* that they will need to play
an extra 28 games in May and June instead of going home and wondering who their
new teammates will be then they'll be more likely to meet the physical and mental
challenges if they actually get that far again.
Claude V. Lucas
May 23, 2013, 8:36:49 AM5/23/13
to
In article <4c23606d-cdda-4cd4...@googlegroups.com>,
It'd be even nicer if you noticed exactly who started with the insults.
Cutting context also makes for an interesting conversation.
>
>Additionally, never good to argue with Greg. Greg's has a tendency to be very direct (call it
>critical if you wish) of people who post things he doesn't think are logical.
>
How special.
I'll be more mindful of Greg's fear of logic in the future.
>Greg's toned it down over the years but you may be turning back the clock. I've been around
>here since the mid 1990's so I know from experience.
I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
Many in here seem to be able to handle a difference of opinion
without "pretending" to have some sort of self-issued superior
insights. It'd be too much to expect of everyone, I've learned
over the decades, and I have no problem responding in kind.
Don <coa...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:58:18 AM UTC-7, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Motives"? "Transparently"?
>>
>> WTF are you nattering about?
>>
>> You probably shouldn't post when you are not sober.
>
>On a side note, it's never good Usenet etiquette to throw insults around.
That's nice.
>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:58:18 AM UTC-7, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Motives"? "Transparently"?
>>
>> WTF are you nattering about?
>>
>> You probably shouldn't post when you are not sober.
>
>On a side note, it's never good Usenet etiquette to throw insults around.
It'd be even nicer if you noticed exactly who started with the insults.
Cutting context also makes for an interesting conversation.
>
>Additionally, never good to argue with Greg. Greg's has a tendency to be very direct (call it
>critical if you wish) of people who post things he doesn't think are logical.
>
I'll be more mindful of Greg's fear of logic in the future.
>Greg's toned it down over the years but you may be turning back the clock. I've been around
>here since the mid 1990's so I know from experience.
At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
Many in here seem to be able to handle a difference of opinion
without "pretending" to have some sort of self-issued superior
insights. It'd be too much to expect of everyone, I've learned
over the decades, and I have no problem responding in kind.
coa...@gmail.com
May 23, 2013, 11:30:04 PM5/23/13
to
On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:36:49 AM UTC-7, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>
> I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
> At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
> a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
> a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
>
> Many in here seem to be able to handle a difference of opinion
> without "pretending" to have some sort of self-issued superior
> insights. It'd be too much to expect of everyone, I've learned
> over the decades, and I have no problem responding in kind.
I have no idea why you call people sock puppets. In any case, no one's a sock puppet in here. We all have our own opinions including Greg. We don't always agree with Greg. This group has been a mainstay for years even as other online discussion and message boards popped up (Golden State of Mind / Warriors World).
>
> I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
> At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
> a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
> a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
>
> Many in here seem to be able to handle a difference of opinion
> without "pretending" to have some sort of self-issued superior
> insights. It'd be too much to expect of everyone, I've learned
> over the decades, and I have no problem responding in kind.
I still don't 100% agree that being in shape will help the Warriors stay injury free. Heck, it may not help them not be gassed at the end of the season. The Warriors need to acquire more talent to give the team more depth so Curry and company don't have to pile on the minutes during the regular season / playoffs.
In any case, glad you have experience with Greg. I don't think I've seen you post before and assumed you may be new here. Though, not sure how many NEW people use Usenet these days.
DL
Greg Lentz
May 24, 2013, 1:22:44 AM5/24/13
to
On 23 May 2013 12:36:49 GMT, cla...@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) wrote:
>>Greg's toned it down over the years but you may be turning back the clock. I've been around
>>here since the mid 1990's so I know from experience.
>
>I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
>
>At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
>a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
>a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
Yeah, I was pretty postive this was you under a new psuedonym. Bingo.
>>Greg's toned it down over the years but you may be turning back the clock. I've been around
>>here since the mid 1990's so I know from experience.
>
>I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
>
>At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
>a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
>a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
By the way, feel free to produce this post of mine in the Raiders group.
Which of course, I know you can't, but just to completely expose your
complete dishonesty here.
--
Greg Lentz
Claude V. Lucas
May 24, 2013, 7:49:41 AM5/24/13
to
In article <a8615254-1a49-445b...@googlegroups.com>,
I'm just referring to a past experience I had with this particular
individual and the way that that conversation turned out.
>
>I still don't 100% agree that being in shape will help the Warriors stay injury free. Heck, it
>may not help them not be gassed at the end of the season. The Warriors need to acquire more
>talent to give the team more depth so Curry and company don't have to pile on the minutes
>during the regular season / playoffs.
>
Better different players are always nice, but it's also good to maximize
what's already there, especially if the people involved already seem
to have the quality of character that the W's are looking for.
Since there's no draft picks this year, and no cap space unless
somebody takes away the dead weight they probably have to do
the best they can with who's already there. It'd be great
if Carl Landry and/or Jarrett Jack stay but they can't
really count on that until/if it happens.
I'm not sure who they could realistically get for what
they have to offer that would be a noticable upgrade anywhere.
Conditioning won't prevent all injuries, but it can't hurt, and
can help someone recover more quickly.
In any case, they were a bit short on it this year, but I doubt
anybody believed they would be playing for this long...
Now they might have a clue.
>In any case, glad you have experience with Greg. I don't think I've seen you post before and
>assumed you may be new here. Though, not sure how many NEW people use Usenet these days.
>
>DL
First Internet access in 1989...
I mainly read the reposts, but felt like pitching in after the great year...
<coa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:36:49 AM UTC-7, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>>
>> I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
>> At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
>> a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
>> a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
>>
>> Many in here seem to be able to handle a difference of opinion
>> without "pretending" to have some sort of self-issued superior
>> insights. It'd be too much to expect of everyone, I've learned
>> over the decades, and I have no problem responding in kind.
>
>I have no idea why you call people sock puppets. In any case, no one's a sock puppet in here.
>We all have our own opinions including Greg. We don't always agree with Greg. This group has
>been a mainstay for years even as other online discussion and message boards popped up (Golden
>State of Mind / Warriors World).
I'm not "calling" anyone anything.
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:36:49 AM UTC-7, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>>
>> I've had the "pleasure" of "arguing" with Greg in the past.
>> At one point in the Raiders NG a while back he unleashed
>> a virtual army of sock puppets to back up his version of
>> a similar difference of opinion in a similar discussion.
>>
>> Many in here seem to be able to handle a difference of opinion
>> without "pretending" to have some sort of self-issued superior
>> insights. It'd be too much to expect of everyone, I've learned
>> over the decades, and I have no problem responding in kind.
>
>I have no idea why you call people sock puppets. In any case, no one's a sock puppet in here.
>We all have our own opinions including Greg. We don't always agree with Greg. This group has
>been a mainstay for years even as other online discussion and message boards popped up (Golden
>State of Mind / Warriors World).
I'm just referring to a past experience I had with this particular
individual and the way that that conversation turned out.
>
>I still don't 100% agree that being in shape will help the Warriors stay injury free. Heck, it
>may not help them not be gassed at the end of the season. The Warriors need to acquire more
>talent to give the team more depth so Curry and company don't have to pile on the minutes
>during the regular season / playoffs.
>
what's already there, especially if the people involved already seem
to have the quality of character that the W's are looking for.
Since there's no draft picks this year, and no cap space unless
somebody takes away the dead weight they probably have to do
the best they can with who's already there. It'd be great
if Carl Landry and/or Jarrett Jack stay but they can't
really count on that until/if it happens.
I'm not sure who they could realistically get for what
they have to offer that would be a noticable upgrade anywhere.
Conditioning won't prevent all injuries, but it can't hurt, and
can help someone recover more quickly.
In any case, they were a bit short on it this year, but I doubt
anybody believed they would be playing for this long...
Now they might have a clue.
>In any case, glad you have experience with Greg. I don't think I've seen you post before and
>assumed you may be new here. Though, not sure how many NEW people use Usenet these days.
>
>DL
I mainly read the reposts, but felt like pitching in after the great year...
Claude V. Lucas
May 24, 2013, 7:53:24 AM5/24/13
to
In article <65utp8dbj7or5kpb2...@4ax.com>,
Feel free to dig up *one* post I've ever made under a different "psuedonym"
Or keep slinging bullshit...
I'm guessing the regulars have seen your act before.
I know I have.
Or keep slinging bullshit...
I'm guessing the regulars have seen your act before.
I know I have.
Greg Lentz
May 24, 2013, 11:24:07 AM5/24/13
to
perfect clarity, but can't produce from a google search?
--
Greg Lentz
Claude V. Lucas
May 24, 2013, 12:08:08 PM5/24/13
to
In article <lf1vp89rpm70a3gbu...@4ax.com>,
In google groups somewhere, perhaps. Perhaps not.
Feel free to do your own research, while you're at it
be sure to dig up something I posted using a "psuedonym",
whatever that might be.
Or else, feel free to keep humping my ankle.
I really don't care one way or the other...
>>I'm guessing the regulars have seen your act before.
>>
>>I know I have.
Whine on...
Feel free to do your own research, while you're at it
be sure to dig up something I posted using a "psuedonym",
whatever that might be.
Or else, feel free to keep humping my ankle.
I really don't care one way or the other...
>>I'm guessing the regulars have seen your act before.
>>
>>I know I have.
Greg Lentz
May 24, 2013, 12:37:01 PM5/24/13
to
Enjoy your offseason delusions.
--
Greg Lentz
Claude V. Lucas
May 24, 2013, 1:29:25 PM5/24/13
to
In article <oo5vp8hd911hfnclt...@4ax.com>,
"As usual"?
>
>Enjoy your offseason delusions.
I'm certainly enjoying *yours*.
Laugh of the day, so far.
>
>Enjoy your offseason delusions.
I'm certainly enjoying *yours*.
Laugh of the day, so far.
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