hate to say this....

[Bill McGarrity]

To: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
With today's outcome... the season is over.

Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
Posey's choice of pitches?

Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?


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[ari...@bellsouth.net]

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:48:03 PM UTC-4, Bill McGarrity wrote:
> To: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
> With today's outcome... the season is over.
>
> Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
> Posey's choice of pitches?
>
> Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
>
>

> -- unfortunately pitchers always have the final say. why even pitch to arenado?

[Awesome Giants]

"Bill McGarrity"

<bill.mc...@tequilamockingbirdonline.net.remove-es3-this> wrote:

> To: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
> With today's outcome... the season is over.

Yup. I even thought that way back in early May, but I didn't want
to face reality and it seemed crazy to give up so early. But I just
don't see how this lame duck offense can win games.

> Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to
> override Posey's choice of pitches?

Maybe 1 or 2 times per year, wayne actually gave a correct answer.
:-)

> Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?

There might be a few trades, but I don't see a fire sale. Posey,
Crawford, and Bumgarner are untouchable. Panik at one point was
untouchable, but now he's struggled for a year and a half, so he's
not as safe as before. But as a 2B, he should still be fine.

I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd trade Pence either. This
team treats their past heros very well. I think he'll just ride out
his contract.

Cain and Samardzija are untradeable due to their salaries and
performance. If these 2 can be traded, the GM should get a raise.
Cain also belongs in Pence's past hero category.

Belt is an interesting case. Money wise, it makes perfect sense to
trade him. But he's very popular among fans and he's the team
leader in HR and RBI, things that seem to be hard to come by for
this team. Despite his uninspiring stats, he might be harder to
replace than you think. I'm neutral on this one.

Cueto, Moore, Nunez, and Span are the tradeable ones. I have no
guesses on which ones the Giants like to keep.

Melancn is another tough one. I have no idea what the Giants think
on him. Blach's and Law's job should be safe. The rest of the pen
is not, but not sure who would want them.

Slater should be safe too. If he continues to hit well, the Giants
no doubt would keep him. If he sucks in the next few weeks, I'm not
sure any team would want him. :-)

[Bill McGarrity]

To: ariess
-=> ariess wrote to alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants on 06-18-17 20:42 <=-

ar> From Newsgroup: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants

ar> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:48:03 PM UTC-4, Bill McGarrity wrote:
> To: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
> With today's outcome... the season is over.
>
> Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
> Posey's choice of pitches?
>
> Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
>
>

ar> unfortunately pitchers always have the final say. why even pitch to
renado
ar> ?

Understood... but here is the thing he and all pitchers needs to take into
consideration. The catcher is the field commander. Now I can understand a
pitcher not like one, maybe two called pitches per game, but I'm sure Posey
knew what and where he wanted the pitch to Arenado and the 3 batters before
him. I hope Buster had a sitdown with him after the game and reeled him in but
in hindsight now, I feel the season is over and a firesale will be coming soon.



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Posey
Crawford
Panik
Bumgarner
Blach

I would keep those 5 and unload the rest.

[John Walsh]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:38:20 -0400, "Bill McGarrity"
<bill.mc...@tequilamockingbirdonline.net.remove-es3-this> wrote:

> To: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
>With today's outcome... the season is over.
>
>Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
>Posey's choice of pitches?
>
>Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
>
>
>--

Who are they going to fire sale, Bill? Based on current performance,
I don't see anyone worth trading or giving away. Belt? Pence? Gorkys
"Mendoza" Hernandez? Span and his limited throwing arm, plus his
injury history? Other than the kid in left, they've got one of the
worst outfields in MLB.

They need to get rid of about 60% of the bullpen and raise standards
for relievers. There's ample evidence for that.

I don't think it was so much him overriding Buster's choices as it is,
Melancon can't hit the target. Pitchers often shake off the catcher's
calls, but they also hit the right areas that they choose in the
strike zone. All that money they gave Melancon and they can't pitch
the clown on consecutive days?

I don't think Blach shook off Buster, but the two home runs were fat
pitches that the hitter couldn't miss.

There's a football analogy here and it's called the Baalke Syndrome.
Hire suspect players and watch them implode.

[John Walsh]

That's a good start, ben. You can include the batting instructor and
Evans, the GM. Evans made some horrible signings for big money and the
Giants are paying for it with a losing season, an embarrassing losing
season.

[poldy]

On 6/19/17 7:13 AM, Awesome Giants wrote:
> There might be a few trades, but I don't see a fire sale. Posey,
> Crawford, and Bumgarner are untouchable. Panik at one point was
> untouchable, but now he's struggled for a year and a half, so he's
> not as safe as before. But as a 2B, he should still be fine.
>
> I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd trade Pence either. This
> team treats their past heros very well. I think he'll just ride out
> his contract.
>
> Cain and Samardzija are untradeable due to their salaries and
> performance. If these 2 can be traded, the GM should get a raise.
> Cain also belongs in Pence's past hero category.
>
> Belt is an interesting case. Money wise, it makes perfect sense to
> trade him. But he's very popular among fans and he's the team
> leader in HR and RBI, things that seem to be hard to come by for
> this team. Despite his uninspiring stats, he might be harder to
> replace than you think. I'm neutral on this one.
>
> Cueto, Moore, Nunez, and Span are the tradeable ones. I have no
> guesses on which ones the Giants like to keep.
>
> Melancn is another tough one. I have no idea what the Giants think
> on him. Blach's and Law's job should be safe. The rest of the pen
> is not, but not sure who would want them.
>
> Slater should be safe too. If he continues to hit well, the Giants
> no doubt would keep him. If he sucks in the next few weeks, I'm not
> sure any team would want him.:-)
>
>

It's almost as if every Giants hitter is falling off like Aubrey Huff
after that one season.

Just when you didn't think it could get worse, they're re-defining new
lows for June Swoon.

[ari...@bellsouth.net]

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 6:48:03 PM UTC-4, Bill McGarrity wrote:

> To: alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
> With today's outcome... the season is over.
>
> Can someone explain to me who gave Melancon the authority to override
> Posey's choice of pitches?
>
> Someone see a fire sale on the horizon?
>

> giants have made losing a new art form, they are playing like an expansion team.

[John Walsh]

It should be the 2017 Swoon, not the June Swoon. It's the whole damn
season with nothing good at the end.

[Awesome Giants]

Not just the hitters. The pitchers are too. Starters, bullpen,
almost everyone. I've never seen anything like it. Most of them
are performing *well* under their norm.

> Just when you didn't think it could get worse, they're re-defining
> new lows for June Swoon.

Right now they're on pace to lose around 104 games. That's worse
than the 1985 100-loss team. It's April swoon, May swoon, June
swoon, probably July swoon, August swoon, and September swoon.

Their best chance for a winning month is October. :-)

What is the Giants' worst franchise W/L record? This team has
potential to break it.

[Awesome Giants]

Just when you think wayne can't possibly get any dumber. Now his posts
are blending in with the previous poster's. What a dumbass. :-D

Well, wayne is kinda mirroring the Giants' season. It's an all-time
low. LOL.

[NFN Smith]

Awesome Giants wrote:
> Right now they're on pace to lose around 104 games. That's worse
> than the 1985 100-loss team. It's April swoon, May swoon, June
> swoon, probably July swoon, August swoon, and September swoon.
>
> Their best chance for a winning month is October. :-)
>
> What is the Giants' worst franchise W/L record? This team has
> potential to break it.

I'm guessing the 62-100 from 1985.

If I remember correctly, the Giants were the last franchise (e.g.,
everybody had done it before, not most recent) to lose 100 games in a
season.

I've never closely studied the pre-modern history of the team in New
York, and I also don't know when they standardized on a 154 game
schedule. It's possible that the Giants may have had a season with a
lower winning percentage in less games than the 1985 team...

Smith

[Awesome Giants]

Wow. When they lost 100 that season, I had no idea it was their first,
and was the last franchise to do it.

But this 2017 team really feels worse than that team. The way they're
scoring, it almost feels like watching soccer games.

But I guess we can't complain about 5 parades in 8 years. Maybe the
bay area is just not meant to have 2 dominant teams at the same time.
We almost had it with the 49ers, until York dismantled the team.