Life is Good
Steven Rubio
I'll be sitting in left field, 15 rows from the stage, when my fave of
faves, Bruce Springsteen, does Pac Bell Park.
Not that I'm counting, but this will be our 26th Bruce show.
Steven
Greg Lentz
>The day after Barry celebrates his birthday in style, I find out that
>I'll be sitting in left field, 15 rows from the stage, when my fave of
>faves, Bruce Springsteen, does Pac Bell Park.
Wow. He's a vital man. I think even Wilt Chamberlain would be impressed,
if he were alive.
Greg Lentz
Steven Rubio
Well, he *is* the greatest live performer in rock and roll!
Steven
DLew022
myself in that shit hole but $75!?! What happened to playing for the working
man? Sheesh. $75 is a ton of money...plus, you can't see shit at a stadium
show.
Color me depressed.
dlew
John Walsh
Perhaps he'd like to pitch for the Giants? He'd have one hell
of a windup and he could walk out to the mound to the sound
"Born in the USA!"
Douglas Berry
John Walsh <j1w...@lava.net> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>Perhaps he'd like to pitch for the Giants? He'd have one hell
>of a windup and he could walk out to the mound to the sound
>"Born in the USA!"
Feh. "Glory Days"
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
.sigs under construction, pardon our dust
Steven Rubio
>I was gonna see the Boss here at Dodger Stadium so I might actually enjoy
>myself in that shit hole but $75!?! What happened to playing for the working
>man? Sheesh. $75 is a ton of money...plus, you can't see shit at a stadium
>show.
>Color me depressed.
Yawn.
It is true that when I see Bruce Springsteen, the tickets are 6 times
as much as when I see Sleater-Kinney. And it's true that Bruce has a
LOT of money ... not like he needs more, etc. On the other hand, when
I see Sleater-Kinney, my money goes to three musicians and maybe one
roadie (if that). When I see Bruce, my money goes to a much larger
work crew, and a group of ten musicians.
Is $75 a lot of money? Yes. Is it too much? You could make that
argument. Is it reasonable in the current market? Well, if you compare
Bruce to Sleater-Kinney, his tix are too much, but his ticket prices
are [often significantly] lower than those for comparable boomer acts
like the Rolling Stones. Just looking at Ticketmaster, lower deck
seats for the Eagles at Arco are $125, $150 for the best seats in San
Jose. Mariah Carey down at the Universal Amphitheatre, best seats $85.
Neil Young in Irvine? Best seats $130. In that context, Bruce's tix
are nicely priced.
Steven
Douglas Berry
Rubio <sru...@sonic.net> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>On 25 Jul 2003 18:35:09 GMT, dle...@aol.commoncause (DLew022) wrote:
>
>>I was gonna see the Boss here at Dodger Stadium so I might actually enjoy
>>myself in that shit hole but $75!?! What happened to playing for the working
>>man? Sheesh. $75 is a ton of money...plus, you can't see shit at a stadium
>>show.
>>Color me depressed.
>It is true that when I see Bruce Springsteen, the tickets are 6 times
>as much as when I see Sleater-Kinney. And it's true that Bruce has a
>LOT of money ... not like he needs more, etc. On the other hand, when
>I see Sleater-Kinney, my money goes to three musicians and maybe one
>roadie (if that). When I see Bruce, my money goes to a much larger
>work crew, and a group of ten musicians.
>
>Is $75 a lot of money? Yes. Is it too much? You could make that
>argument. Is it reasonable in the current market? Well, if you compare
>Bruce to Sleater-Kinney, his tix are too much, but his ticket prices
>are [often significantly] lower than those for comparable boomer acts
>like the Rolling Stones. Just looking at Ticketmaster, lower deck
>seats for the Eagles at Arco are $125, $150 for the best seats in San
>Jose. Mariah Carey down at the Universal Amphitheatre, best seats $85.
>Neil Young in Irvine? Best seats $130. In that context, Bruce's tix
>are nicely priced.
Twent years ago, I went to the US '83 Festival. Check out the line
up:
Saturday May 28th:
Divinyls [11:20 - 11:50 am],
INXS [12:20 - 12:55 pm]
Wall of Voodoo [1:25 -2:40]
Oingo Boingo [2:40 - 3:40]
The English Beat [4:10 - 5:10]
Flock ofSeagulls [5:40 - 6:40]
Stray Cats [7:10 - 8:20]
Men At Work [8:50 -10:00]
The Clash [10:30 - midnight]
Sunday May 29th:
Quiet Riot [12:10 - 12:50 pm]
Motley Crue [1:20 - 2:20]
Ozzy Osbourne [2:50 - 4:00]
Judas Priest [4:30 - 5:40]
Triumph [6:10 - 7:20]
Scorpions [7:55 - 9:10]
Van Halen [10:00 - midnight]
Monday May 30th:
Little Steven & The Disciples of Soul [9:15 - 9:50 am]
Berlin [10:15 -10:50 am]
Quarterflash [11:15 - 11:50 am]
U2 [12:20 - 1:10 pm]
Missing Persons [1:40 - 2:40]
Pretenders [3:10 - 4:10]
Joe Walsh [4:40 - 5:50],
Stevie Nicks [6:20 - 7:30]
David Bowie [8:00 - 10:00 pm]
The tickets were $20 a day.
I got three sets free from The Woz himself, but that's another story.
Steven Rubio
<grid...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The tickets were $20 a day.
And the first time I saw Bruce Springsteen, I paid $5.50 for my
ticket.
But it's 2003.
Steven
MH
"Steven Rubio" <sru...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Uh, not.
I guess I'd like him if he didn't sing...That voice is like chalk on a
blackboard. Iron Maiden rules the world, AFAIC.
Martha
John Walsh
I'm with you on that one.
John Walsh
Iron Maiden sucks for baseball, Martha.
MH
"John Walsh" <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in message
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The beginning of "Run to the Hills" would be great for an intro.
Martha
Steven Rubio
wrote:
>"Steven Rubio" <sru...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>news:f1s2ivcb3qkobomi9...@4ax.com...
>> Well, he *is* the greatest live performer in rock and roll!
>>
>> Steven
>
>Uh, not.
>
>I guess I'd like him if he didn't sing...That voice is like chalk on a
>blackboard. Iron Maiden rules the world, AFAIC.
>
>Martha
I understand that you don't like his singing. I can imagine that would
lead you to hate his albums. But I stand by my statement: greatest
live performer in rock and roll. I'm guessing you never saw him.
But what do I know, I thought Pink was great in concert ...
Steven
Greg Lentz
wrote:
>"John Walsh" <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in message
>news:3F22537D...@lava.net...
>> Iron Maiden sucks for baseball, Martha.
>
>The beginning of "Run to the Hills" would be great for an intro.
It would be good. Especially when the Indians come to town.
Greg Lentz
DLew022
suck unless you're drunk, tripping or have great seats. Otherwise you're just
watching a monitor.
I DO like how Bruce is doing general admission on the floor, and you're right,
$75 is alot less than others. But why not do some $30 seats in the third deck?
I love Springsteen and I'm not bitching about *him* as much as I'm bitching
about Clear Channel and all these other people jacking up ticket prices to pay
themselves.
I read an article about this Denver company that was going to have a Bonnie
Raitt show and charge $15-$25. Bonnie was going to get X amount, a nice sized
chunk....like, $10,000 or something.
Clear Channel comes in and offers her $30,000 for the SAME SHOW! Thus ticket
prices went to $45!
It ain't fair I tell ya! And a hard rain is gonna fall on Clear Channel and
Viacom reaaal soon.
dlew
DLew022
dlew
MH
"DLew022" <dle...@aol.commoncause> wrote in message
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going out on his own.
Martha
Steven Rubio
>I love Springsteen and I'm not bitching about *him* as much as I'm bitching
>about Clear Channel and all these other people jacking up ticket prices to pay
>themselves.
That's fine ... I do my share of bitching about Clear Channel myself
... but since this started as a thread about Bruce Springsteen, it was
kinda hard to tell that you "weren't bitching about him."
Steven
Tommy
>>>Wow. He's a vital man. I think even
>>>Wilt Chamberlain would be impressed,
>>>if he were alive.
>>Well, he *is* the greatest live performer
>>in rock and roll!
>>Steven
>Uh, not.
>I guess I'd like him if he didn't sing...That
>voice is like chalk on a blackboard. Iron
>Maiden rules the world, AFAIC.
>Martha
I like Paul Whiteman and The Rhythm Boys.
Drew K.
John Walsh wrote:
> Douglas Berry wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:03:08 -1000, a wanderer, known to us only as
>>John Walsh <j1w...@lava.net> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>>
>>
>>>Perhaps he'd like to pitch for the Giants? He'd have one hell
>>>of a windup and he could walk out to the mound to the sound
>>>"Born in the USA!"
>>
>>Feh. "Glory Days"
>>
As a baseball fan, you gotta love that song. I know when I hear it I get
all....eh, you know, like I got to go out and play ball or at least go
see the G's.
....the other baseball song I like is "Centerfield"...no, I love it! I
get charged for baseball off that song! :)
humm-baby
--
Drew
JVV4sm
JVV4sm
The story behind surprise 'Boss' show
Bill Graham protege turns indie, scores coup
Joel Selvin, Chronicle Senior Pop Music Critic
Saturday, July 26, 2003
URL:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/07/26/MN199320.DTL
Five days after leaving his post as president of Bill Graham Presents, Gregg
Perloff landed the biggest rock show of the year -- Bruce Springsteen at
Pacific Bell Park -- as the first event by his new concert production firm.
After 27 years with the historic company the late rock impresario started in
1966, Perloff left the building with some cake and a commemorative poster a
week ago last Wednesday. The next day, he launched his own concert production
company, and his former bosses aren't welcoming the competition.
"I wasn't planning on doing anything this soon, but something fell in my lap,"
Perloff said.
More than a sensational entrance for his new concert production company,
Another Planet, Perloff's Springsteen coup is a gauntlet thrown at the feet of
his former employers, San Antonio media giant Clear Channel Communications.
Clear Channel responded, serving Perloff with correspondence Friday,
threatening to sue if he doesn't give up the Springsteen show. Tickets to the
Aug. 16 show will go on sale Monday morning. Clear Channel has another
Springsteen show the same weekend at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles.
"We trying to get to the bottom of what's right and wrong," said Clear
Channel's Lee Smith, named Thursday to fill Perloff's post. "Nobody wants the
show to implode, but everybody wants to protect their interests. Somewhere in
the middle is a road."
With Perloff's company entering the marketplace, some acts might become the
beneficiaries of bidding wars, which could mean increased ticket prices to the
public. Perloff's venture also sends a strong signal to other dissatisfied
concert industry executives across the country that there is life after Clear
Channel.
RETURNING AS COMPETITORS
Like Perloff, many promoters who sold out to Clear Channel's predecessor, SFX
-- such as Louis Messina of Texas -- are seeing their employment contracts near
expiration and are making noises about going back into business on their own
again.
"We are starting to see the rebirth of companies that were acquired in the
roll-up of SFX," said Gary Bongiovanni, editor of Pollstar, a Fresno magazine
that follows the concert industry.
"Some old-timers have found happiness working with Clear Channel," said booking
agent Paul Goldman, whose Monterey Peninsula Artists represents the Dave
Matthews Band, Bonnie Raitt and many others. "Some have found unhappiness.
The handwriting is on the wall. Some people are now free to do something else.
"
Perloff, who went directly from promoting Boz Scaggs concerts as a UC Berkeley
student to booking shows for Graham, is stepping out from under the lingering
shadow of the company's charismatic founder. He took the company's reins after
Graham's 1991 death in a helicopter crash and, with 14 other BGP executives,
bought the organization from Graham's estate for $5 million in 1995. Two years
later, Wall Street financier Robert Sillerman purchased the company from the
partnership for $65 million as he consolidated the nationwide network of wily,
maverick promoters that comprised the country's concert production industry
with his SFX Entertainment, which, in turn, was acquired shortly thereafter by
radio conglomerate Clear Channel.
At the heart of Perloff's departure is a David versus Goliath battle of
philosophies, with Perloff representing the kind of tough, independent
entrepreneur that corporate behemoth Clear Channel virtually eliminated in the
concert production business. Perloff said he expected to resolve their
differences after his contract expired in February and stay with the company.
But he returned from a rare Caribbean vacation two weeks ago and told Clear
Channel he had decided to leave and produce concerts on his own.
"I've never been considered a corporate type," Perloff said.
DRESSED FOR SUCCESS
Sitting poolside this week in the backyard of his Contra Costa hills home,
Perloff worked both his cell phone and land line in a pair of shorts and T-
shirt, unshaven. He rented offices in Berkeley but hasn't had time to set up
shop. His longtime colleague, Sherry Wasserman, a 31-year BGP veteran, joined
Perloff in his exodus. A third Clear Channel executive, Rick Mueller, the
firm's top talent buyer, initially announced his plans to leave with Perloff
and Wasserman but rescinded his resignation late Wednesday under pressure from
Clear Channel.
"In Clear Channel, we couldn't be the best at what we do," Wasserman said.
"Bill built it. We continued it. That environment didn't allow it to flourish."
New BGP president Smith, a former Concord Pavilion box office manager who first
went to work for Graham in 1988, has been most recently booking winery
entertainment schedules for this region from his home in Healdsburg.
In an industry where personal relations qualify as a business asset, Perloff
and Wasserman had been major players at the San Francisco concert production
firm since Peter Frampton was still selling records.
"Gregg Perloff and Sherry Wasserman are among the elite of concert producers in
the world today," said John Scher, whose New York firm, Metropolitan Talent,
handles artists such as Art Garfunkel and Bob Weir. "There are artists, agents
and managers who are clearly going to want to work with them."
Tony Demetriades, longtime manager of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, agreed
that their long-standing relationships would serve Perloff and Wasserman well.
"He was Clear Channel," he said. "Before that, he was BGP. He and Sherry are
the company."
A SUDDEN DEVELOPMENT
The Springsteen dates developed suddenly last week after the New Jersey rocker
decided to book two West Coast stadium shows on a weekend when he was
originally scheduled to be off.
"In the last few days, it came together," said Pat Gallagher, president of
Giants Enterprises, "coincidentally, when Gregg left the company. Our
relationship has really been with him." Springsteen also avoided working with
Clear Channel in his past two Bay Area appearances. Although Clear Channel owns
the Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View and the Sleep Train Amphitheatre in
Marysville (Yuba County) and retains a management contract with the Chronicle
Pavilion in Concord, other public auditoriums and arenas from Pac Bell Park and
the Cow Palace to HP Pavilion in San Jose and Network Associates Coliseum in
Oakland are available for concerts from outside promoters such as Another
Planet. Clear Channel also owns leases on the Fillmore Auditorium and the
Warfield Theater.
"There is a segment of the industry looking for an alternative, a different way
to do business," Perloff said. "Artists are independent by nature. They like to
be involved in their destiny, and a number of people are looking for a
different way to do business."
Perloff envisions a small company that produces as many as 100 concerts per
year (as opposed to the 1,500 he produced as regional head of Clear Channel)
with a small staff.
"What we'd like to do is put together a small boutique organization that isn't
just working to pay its overhead," said Perloff, who declined to discuss the
financing of his new operation.
During the past few years, Perloff presided over the building of the brand new
White River Amphitheater outside Seattle, with Mount Rainer serving as the
stage backdrop; the Fillmore Denver, a small but highly regarded concert hall;
a $2 million renovation of Los Angeles' Wiltern Theater; and the construction
of the Marysville amphitheater. According to Perloff, his region was
responsible for the most growth in the Clear Channel operations in the past two
years. Regardless, Perloff worries that his former employers will sue him.
"I've worked so hard for these guys the past six months just so they couldn't
do what they're going to do," he said.
AN ENTERTAINMENT BEHEMOTH
In addition to more than 1,250 radio stations, 39 TV stations and 775,000
billboards, Clear Channel owns more than 200 concert venues across the country.
With owners whose relations with President Bush stretch back many years, a
number of the company's radio stations hosted rallies supporting the war in
Iraq.
Clear Channel buys outright entire tours by artists such as Janet Jackson,
Madonna, Pearl Jam, 'N Sync and Aerosmith.
Concert attendance has dropped in three consecutive years, and only rising
ticket prices have kept revenues up. Clear Channel has also managed to increase
costs of ticket surcharges, parking and other ancillary income.
"It's starting to look like the model of the movie business," Metropolitan's
Scher said, "where theater owners make their money selling popcorn and soda."
With the departure of Perloff and Wasserman, only two of the original 15
partners remain at the former BGP offices. Perloff's co-president Nicholas
Clainos left in January 2001 over a dispute on Clear Channel's refusal to use
the name Bill Graham Presents. "That's the DNA of the company," Wasserman said.
"Our friends have gone across the street," said BGP Chief Operating Officer
David Mayeri, with newly appointed President Smith, the sole remaining
partners. "We wish them well. The reality is that BGP is made up of many
people. We have a great team, and we're looking forward to putting on shows as
we have in the past."
E-mail Joel Selvin at jse...@sfchronicle.com.
MH
"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> But he's a helluva fencer. No really.
>
with Dio and Motorhead, not a better show to be had this summer.
Martha
JVV4sm
And Halford is returning to Priest later. I'm officially mad at the Joke
Called KISS, so I'm rooting for the failure of Alive IV and their tour opening
for Aerosmith ($immon$ says they're not opening, but they are.)
MH
"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >news:20030726172957...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >> But he's a helluva fencer. No really.
> >>
> >Bruce is a class act. I can't wait for the Maiden shows in August.
Playing
> >with Dio and Motorhead, not a better show to be had this summer.
>
> And Halford is returning to Priest later.
I KNOW!!!!!!!!! Rob Halford ROCKS!
I'm officially mad at the Joke
> Called KISS, so I'm rooting for the failure of Alive IV and their tour
opening
> for Aerosmith ($immon$ says they're not opening, but they are.)
Oh man.....
I don't think VH1 has played the Aerosmith "Behind the Music" enough. They
should run it more often.
Martha
JVV4sm
I've been listening to KISS since 3rd grade, and every move they've made since
the reunion has sucked major ass. Gene Simmons is a fool who thinks he's a
genius.
I think KISS needs to release a compliation album. With "Rock and Roll All
Nite" on it.
MH
"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
I like KISS. There was never any confusion between what they were and what
their music was.
I interviewed Billy Milano (S.O.D., now M.O.D.) who always has a
controversial opinion a couple months ago. I likes to write songs making fun
of bands. He had never really listened to KISS, but wanted to write a song
making fun of them. He borrowed a few CDs of theirs from a friend and
suddenly understood KISS. He loved them. Yeah, they're the Disneyland of
rock bands, but they've never said differently and they're quite proud of
it, he told me.
Aerosmith, though...I like their first two albums but after that I was
bored.
I will say my favorite rock 'n roller is Iggy Pop. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY
rocks as hard as Iggy. Springsteen? Please. He would have a heart attack
doing what Iggy does.
Martha
John Walsh
I'm playing "Centerfield" right now. If there's one song
that reminds me of baseball and Willie Mays, it's that
song.
John Walsh
Hmmmmm ....
JVV4sm
$immon$ has gone nuts in recent years with the website and his books, basically
espousing misogymism as a lifestyle.
>I interviewed Billy Milano (S.O.D., now M.O.D.) who always has a
>controversial opinion a couple months ago.
SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE!
> I likes to write songs making fun
>of bands. He had never really listened to KISS, but wanted to write a song
>making fun of them. He borrowed a few CDs of theirs from a friend and
>suddenly understood KISS. He loved them. Yeah, they're the Disneyland of
>rock bands, but they've never said differently and they're quite proud of
>it, he told me.
They've lied their asses off since day one. Simmons says he owes the fans
truth, but that's just another lie.
>Aerosmith, though...I like their first two albums but after that I was
>bored.
>
>I will say my favorite rock 'n roller is Iggy Pop. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY
>rocks as hard as Iggy. Springsteen? Please. He would have a heart attack
>doing what Iggy does.
>
>Martha
gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
MH
Yeah, that's a cool song.
Martha
MH
> >> >> >news:20030726172957...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >> >
> >controversial opinion a couple months ago.
>
> SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE!
>
> > I likes to write songs making fun
> >of bands. He had never really listened to KISS, but wanted to write a
song
> >making fun of them. He borrowed a few CDs of theirs from a friend and
> >suddenly understood KISS. He loved them. Yeah, they're the Disneyland of
> >rock bands, but they've never said differently and they're quite proud of
> >it, he told me.
>
> They've lied their asses off since day one. Simmons says he owes the fans
> truth, but that's just another lie.
>
Yep
>
>
> >Aerosmith, though...I like their first two albums but after that I was
> >bored.
> >
> >I will say my favorite rock 'n roller is Iggy Pop. Nobody, and I mean
NOBODY
> >rocks as hard as Iggy. Springsteen? Please. He would have a heart attack
> >doing what Iggy does.
> >
> >Martha
>
>
> gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
You can't tell me "Lust for Life" wouldn't rock the baseball world.
OK, when I go to the plate, that will be my theme song. : )
Martha
John Walsh
Fogerty's still making good music, especially his Delta music.
MH
I'm not much of a fan of the San Francisco 60s stuff, but I'll always enjoy
the CCR and Fogerty tunes.
Martha
John Walsh
I didn't much care for the 60's stuff, but it's good to listen to it
later in life. It kind of gives a person a different perspective on
their earlier musical tastes. A lot of what I couldn't stand before
is perfectly acceptable today.
"Put me in coach, I'm ready to play!"
J.W.
Richard Booroojian
"MH" <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Just listening to you two makes me realize how much I have mellowed out over
the years. My favorite two bands these days are Radiohead and Cold Play,
with an occasional hit of REM. I guess maybe that's why my ears don't ring
as much as they used to.
rb
JVV4sm
>NOBODY
>> >rocks as hard as Iggy. Springsteen? Please. He would have a heart attack
>> >doing what Iggy does.
>> >
>> >Martha
>>
>>
>> gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
>
>You can't tell me "Lust for Life" wouldn't rock the baseball world.
It would. Trainspotting and a few well=placed commericials gave that song a
second life.
JVV4sm
>>
>> You can't tell me "Lust for Life" wouldn't rock the baseball world.
>>
>> OK, when I go to the plate, that will be my theme song. : )
>
>Just listening to you two makes me realize how much I have mellowed out over
>the years. My favorite two bands these days are Radiohead and Cold Play,
>with an occasional hit of REM. I guess maybe that's why my ears don't ring
>as much as they used to.
I'm totally out of touch with today's metal scene, and the new stuff I'm
exposed to confuses me, proving I'm an old fart. (Maybe I should read Martha's
magazine -- KUSF wasn't coming in at my apartment tonight, and KUSF.oRG
couldn't stream the show, so I missed "MoP")
A friend of mine was in town for JavaOne, and bought a couple CDs by a group
called Cattle Decapitation. Silly stuff -- mostly about blowing people up or
putting them in meat grinders.
I'm mostly amused by the band and album titles I don't recognize, and
distinctions in genres. Rasputins and Amoeba have sections like "dark ambient"
"gothic" "black metal" "extremely experimental" and "country." (I haven't seen
a separate "grindcore" section in a long time)
For no particular reason I was at Rasputins on Powell and decided to look up
the background of a band called Anal Cunt. At one point they put out an EP
with 5643 'songs' on it (most of their songs are about ten seconds long).They
pick intentionally offensive titles for their songs.
This lineup recorded Top 40 Hits and their infamous oi version of the Bee Gees'
"Stayin' Alive." This proved to be their biggest breakthrough as they were
embraced by the punk scene for their outrageous lyrics and actions. They also
began to brew up some serious controversy as they admitted that Screwdriver and
Vaginal Jesus, two racist hardcore bands, were their main point of reference
with the Bee Gees cover.
They even performed shows with the latter, bringing serious heat from many of
their fanzine supporters. National publications like Metal Maniacs refused to
interview them or review their albums, and even Earache began pulling their
support away. In this environment they released 40 More Reasons to Hate Us in
1996. Putnam put together another lineup for a tour with Incantation and the
albums I Like It When You Die and the acoustic Picnic of Love.
MH
"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >> > gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
> >>
> >> You can't tell me "Lust for Life" wouldn't rock the baseball world.
> >>
> >> OK, when I go to the plate, that will be my theme song. : )
> >
> >Just listening to you two makes me realize how much I have mellowed out
over
> >the years. My favorite two bands these days are Radiohead and Cold Play,
> >with an occasional hit of REM. I guess maybe that's why my ears don't
ring
> >as much as they used to.
>
> I'm totally out of touch with today's metal scene, and the new stuff I'm
> exposed to confuses me, proving I'm an old fart. (Maybe I should read
Martha's
> magazine -- KUSF wasn't coming in at my apartment tonight, and KUSF.oRG
> couldn't stream the show, so I missed "MoP")
The show didn't happen this morning...long horrible story I won't go into.
>
> A friend of mine was in town for JavaOne, and bought a couple CDs by a
group
> called Cattle Decapitation. Silly stuff -- mostly about blowing people up
or
> putting them in meat grinders.
>
They're not my favorite band. There are much better ones around. Impaled for
one in that style is a much better band. Plus, they're friends of mine.
Exhumed and Benumb are two other great grindcore bands.
> I'm mostly amused by the band and album titles I don't recognize, and
> distinctions in genres. Rasputins and Amoeba have sections like "dark
ambient"
> "gothic" "black metal" "extremely experimental" and "country." (I haven't
seen
> a separate "grindcore" section in a long time)
Amoeba has an excellent black metal section. Black is my favorite metal
genre. I love the Norwegian stuff. The Los Angeles Amoeba black metal
section is about 4 times as large. It's worth a trip to LA just to shop
there.
>
> For no particular reason I was at Rasputins on Powell and decided to look
up
> the background of a band called Anal Cunt. At one point they put out an
EP
> with 5643 'songs' on it (most of their songs are about ten seconds
long).They
> pick intentionally offensive titles for their songs.
>
AC is an interesting band. But, grindcore isn't my favorite style. Songs are
too short for me.
I'll take S.O.D. or Billy Milano's latest project M.O.D. over AC. I enjoy
Napalm Death and Carcass as well, if we're going for the old stuff.
Martha
Steven Rubio
>news:20030727060856...@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> >> > gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
I need to pay closer attention to these threads, esp. the ones I start
that wander into the ozone. GG Allin got mentioned?
Steven, who saw GG in concert once, and it was, shall we say,
unforgettable
dave yan
>The day after Barry celebrates his birthday in style, I find out that
>I'll be sitting in left field, 15 rows from the stage, when my fave of
>faves, Bruce Springsteen, does Pac Bell Park.
>
>Not that I'm counting, but this will be our 26th Bruce show.
>
>Steven
15 rows back! lucky bastard.
-dy
JVV4sm
>
>"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
>news:20030727060856...@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> >> > gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
>> >>
>> >> You can't tell me "Lust for Life" wouldn't rock the baseball world.
>> >>
>> >> OK, when I go to the plate, that will be my theme song. : )
>> >
>> >Just listening to you two makes me realize how much I have mellowed out
>over
>> >the years. My favorite two bands these days are Radiohead and Cold Play,
>> >with an occasional hit of REM. I guess maybe that's why my ears don't
>ring
>> >as much as they used to.
>>
>> I'm totally out of touch with today's metal scene, and the new stuff I'm
>> exposed to confuses me, proving I'm an old fart. (Maybe I should read
>Martha's
>> magazine -- KUSF wasn't coming in at my apartment tonight, and KUSF.oRG
>> couldn't stream the show, so I missed "MoP")
>
>The show didn't happen this morning...long horrible story I won't go into.
I bet you don't have an access card and the person who does the shift before
you didn't show up.
>> A friend of mine was in town for JavaOne, and bought a couple CDs by a
>group
>> called Cattle Decapitation. Silly stuff -- mostly about blowing people up
>or
>> putting them in meat grinders.
>>
>They're not my favorite band. There are much better ones around. Impaled for
>one in that style is a much better band. Plus, they're friends of mine.
>Exhumed and Benumb are two other great grindcore bands.
Unreadable logos are hilarious to me.
>> I'm mostly amused by the band and album titles I don't recognize, and
>> distinctions in genres. Rasputins and Amoeba have sections like "dark
>ambient"
>> "gothic" "black metal" "extremely experimental" and "country." (I haven't
>seen
>> a separate "grindcore" section in a long time)
>
>Amoeba has an excellent black metal section. Black is my favorite metal
>genre. I love the Norwegian stuff.
I have a hard time taking it seriously (especially ones like Mortiis with his
Spock ears and wings).
I do want to read "Lords of Chaos" at some point. I've gotten a lot of mileage
out of the stories about the guy in Mayhem who committed suicide with a shotgun
to the head, and his band member took a picture of his dead body for an album
cover, ate part of his brain and word a skull fragment on a necklace. (Then I
cap the story off with how the clown from Burzum killed him -- "pre-emptive
self-defense" was his losing defense.)
>The Los Angeles Amoeba black metal
>section is about 4 times as large. It's worth a trip to LA just to shop
>there.
>>
>> For no particular reason I was at Rasputins on Powell and decided to look
>up
>> the background of a band called Anal Cunt. At one point they put out an
>EP
>> with 5643 'songs' on it (most of their songs are about ten seconds
>long).They
>> pick intentionally offensive titles for their songs.
>>
>AC is an interesting band. But, grindcore isn't my favorite style. Songs are
>too short for me.
I only decided to look them up because it was early in the alphabet (i.e.,
before I got bored looking at the CDs), and the name and song titles were so
over-the-top.
MH
"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >"JVV4sm" <jvv...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >news:20030727060856...@mb-m15.aol.com...
> >> >> > gg allin put in a hard day's night at his shows.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can't tell me "Lust for Life" wouldn't rock the baseball world.
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, when I go to the plate, that will be my theme song. : )
> >> >
> >> >Just listening to you two makes me realize how much I have mellowed
out
> >over
> >> >the years. My favorite two bands these days are Radiohead and Cold
Play,
> >> >with an occasional hit of REM. I guess maybe that's why my ears don't
> >ring
> >> >as much as they used to.
> >>
> >> I'm totally out of touch with today's metal scene, and the new stuff
I'm
> >> exposed to confuses me, proving I'm an old fart. (Maybe I should read
> >Martha's
> >> magazine -- KUSF wasn't coming in at my apartment tonight, and KUSF.oRG
> >> couldn't stream the show, so I missed "MoP")
> >
> >The show didn't happen this morning...long horrible story I won't go
into.
>
> I bet you don't have an access card and the person who does the shift
before
> you didn't show up.
: )
>
>
> >> A friend of mine was in town for JavaOne, and bought a couple CDs by a
> >group
> >> called Cattle Decapitation. Silly stuff -- mostly about blowing people
up
> >or
> >> putting them in meat grinders.
> >>
> >They're not my favorite band. There are much better ones around. Impaled
for
> >one in that style is a much better band. Plus, they're friends of mine.
> >Exhumed and Benumb are two other great grindcore bands.
>
>
> Unreadable logos are hilarious to me.
>
The saying goes: if you can't read it, you wouldn't like the music anyway,
or something like that.
>
>
> >> I'm mostly amused by the band and album titles I don't recognize, and
> >> distinctions in genres. Rasputins and Amoeba have sections like "dark
> >ambient"
> >> "gothic" "black metal" "extremely experimental" and "country." (I
haven't
> >seen
> >> a separate "grindcore" section in a long time)
> >
> >Amoeba has an excellent black metal section. Black is my favorite metal
> >genre. I love the Norwegian stuff.
>
>
> I have a hard time taking it seriously (especially ones like Mortiis with
his
> Spock ears and wings).
Mortiis hasn't been black metal since he left Emperor.
>
> I do want to read "Lords of Chaos" at some point. I've gotten a lot of
mileage
> out of the stories about the guy in Mayhem who committed suicide with a
shotgun
> to the head, and his band member took a picture of his dead body for an
album
> cover, ate part of his brain and word a skull fragment on a necklace.
(Then I
> cap the story off with how the clown from Burzum killed him --
"pre-emptive
> self-defense" was his losing defense.)
"Lords of Chaos" is one of my favorite books. I love it. Black metal borrows
from classical, Scandinavian folk music, as well as the influences of
Bathory, Venom and Celtic Frost. Enslaved, Emperor, Marduk, Burzum,
Darkthrone and Borknagar are probably my favorites.
>
> >The Los Angeles Amoeba black metal
> >section is about 4 times as large. It's worth a trip to LA just to shop
> >there.
> >>
> >> For no particular reason I was at Rasputins on Powell and decided to
look
> >up
> >> the background of a band called Anal Cunt. At one point they put out
an
> >EP
> >> with 5643 'songs' on it (most of their songs are about ten seconds
> >long).They
> >> pick intentionally offensive titles for their songs.
> >>
> >AC is an interesting band. But, grindcore isn't my favorite style. Songs
are
> >too short for me.
>
>
> I only decided to look them up because it was early in the alphabet (i.e.,
> before I got bored looking at the CDs), and the name and song titles were
so
> over-the-top.
Yes, indeedy.
>
Martha
JVV4sm
>into.
>>
>> I bet you don't have an access card and the person who does the shift
>before
>> you didn't show up.
>
>: )
>>
>>
>> >> A friend of mine was in town for JavaOne, and bought a couple CDs by a
>> >group
>> >> called Cattle Decapitation. Silly stuff -- mostly about blowing people
>up
>> >or
>> >> putting them in meat grinders.
>> >>
>> >They're not my favorite band. There are much better ones around. Impaled
>for
>> >one in that style is a much better band. Plus, they're friends of mine.
>> >Exhumed and Benumb are two other great grindcore bands.
>>
>>
>> Unreadable logos are hilarious to me.
>>
>The saying goes: if you can't read it, you wouldn't like the music anyway,
>or something like that.
Doesn't really roll off the tongue, that motto.
>> >> I'm mostly amused by the band and album titles I don't recognize, and
>> >> distinctions in genres. Rasputins and Amoeba have sections like "dark
>> >ambient"
>> >> "gothic" "black metal" "extremely experimental" and "country." (I
>haven't
>> >seen
>> >> a separate "grindcore" section in a long time)
>> >
>> >Amoeba has an excellent black metal section. Black is my favorite metal
>> >genre. I love the Norwegian stuff.
>>
>>
>> I have a hard time taking it seriously (especially ones like Mortiis with
>his
>> Spock ears and wings).
>
>Mortiis hasn't been black metal since he left Emperor.
That's what I get for making fun of someone I only know from the pics on the
CDs and a couple interviews.
>> I do want to read "Lords of Chaos" at some point. I've gotten a lot of
>mileage
>> out of the stories about the guy in Mayhem who committed suicide with a
>shotgun
>> to the head, and his band member took a picture of his dead body for an
>album
>> cover, ate part of his brain and word a skull fragment on a necklace.
>(Then I
>> cap the story off with how the clown from Burzum killed him --
>"pre-emptive
>> self-defense" was his losing defense.)
>
>"Lords of Chaos" is one of my favorite books. I love it. Black metal borrows
>from classical, Scandinavian folk music, as well as the influences of
>Bathory, Venom and Celtic Frost. Enslaved, Emperor, Marduk, Burzum,
>Darkthrone and Borknagar are probably my favorites.
I've noticed a lot of 'heavy' bands on bills at the Pound over at Pier 96.
Have you seen a show there? What's it like?
>> I only decided to look them up because it was early in the alphabet (i.e.,
>> before I got bored looking at the CDs), and the name and song titles were
>so
>> over-the-top.
>
>Yes, indeedy.
In a direct slam at the RIAA, I recently downloaded "Hitler was a very
sensitive man" and "I just met the gayest guy in the world."
MH
> >>
> >>
> >> Unreadable logos are hilarious to me.
> >>
> >The saying goes: if you can't read it, you wouldn't like the music
anyway,
> >or something like that.
>
>
> Doesn't really roll off the tongue, that motto.
>
>
> >> I have a hard time taking it seriously (especially ones like Mortiis
with
> >his
> >> Spock ears and wings).
> >
> >Mortiis hasn't been black metal since he left Emperor.
>
> That's what I get for making fun of someone I only know from the pics on
the
> CDs and a couple interviews.
>
dweeb. I've been in metal since the mid-80s. I know or have met almost
everybody.
>
>
> >> I do want to read "Lords of Chaos" at some point. I've gotten a lot of
> >mileage
> >> out of the stories about the guy in Mayhem who committed suicide with a
> >shotgun
> >> to the head, and his band member took a picture of his dead body for an
> >album
> >> cover, ate part of his brain and word a skull fragment on a necklace.
> >(Then I
> >> cap the story off with how the clown from Burzum killed him --
> >"pre-emptive
> >> self-defense" was his losing defense.)
> >
> >"Lords of Chaos" is one of my favorite books. I love it. Black metal
borrows
> >from classical, Scandinavian folk music, as well as the influences of
> >Bathory, Venom and Celtic Frost. Enslaved, Emperor, Marduk, Burzum,
> >Darkthrone and Borknagar are probably my favorites.
>
> I've noticed a lot of 'heavy' bands on bills at the Pound over at Pier 96.
> Have you seen a show there? What's it like?
I've been to many shows there. Dying Fetus and Divine Empire are there
tonight. I'll be banging my head. D.E. is one of my current favorite death
metal bands. Others include: Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Deicide,
Immolation, Diabolic and Incantation. The Pound's a cool little place. It's
far away from everything, which is good in one way that it helps keep the
bitching yuppies from trying to close it down. I love it when yuppies move
into a 'hood. They know a club has been across the street for years and
years, yet when they move in they start complaining about the noise, and try
to shut the place down; all because they think they're so goddamed
important. I've known Tony, who owns the Pound, since he owned Cha Cha Cha
on Haight St.; we used to hang out at the Terminator on Mission. That was
the best club in SF, ever. (Now I'm going back a few years!)
>
> >> I only decided to look them up because it was early in the alphabet
(i.e.,
> >> before I got bored looking at the CDs), and the name and song titles
were
> >so
> >> over-the-top.
> >
> >Yes, indeedy.
>
> In a direct slam at the RIAA, I recently downloaded "Hitler was a very
> sensitive man" and "I just met the gayest guy in the world."
Most metal bands appreciate fans who download their music, it's the only way
someone can hear their music. It's not like there's any radio station
(except KUSF) that's going to be playing Dying Fetus anytime in the near
future.
My website is back up. Check out: www.bastmagazine.com
Martha
JVV4sm
>> >The saying goes: if you can't read it, you wouldn't like the music
>anyway,
>> >or something like that.
>> Doesn't really roll off the tongue, that motto.
>That's why I know I got it wrong. : )
"If it's too loud, you can't read it"?
No.........
"If you can read, you don't like music"?
No.......
>I have a few funny (not for Mortiis) stories about Mortiis. He's quite the
>dweeb. I've been in metal since the mid-80s. I know or have met almost
>everybody.
I slapped "OT" on my response just so I could feel good about asking you to
share a Mortiis story.
My college years (graduated in 1992) were the time I was most into metal. I
was picking up every European metal magazine I could get.
Tell me you've met the Great Kat, and she didn't act like a lunatic.
>> >"Lords of Chaos" is one of my favorite books. I love it. Black metal
>borrows
>> >from classical, Scandinavian folk music, as well as the influences of
>> >Bathory, Venom and Celtic Frost. Enslaved, Emperor, Marduk, Burzum,
>> >Darkthrone and Borknagar are probably my favorites.
>>
>> I've noticed a lot of 'heavy' bands on bills at the Pound over at Pier 96.
>> Have you seen a show there? What's it like?
>
>I've been to many shows there. Dying Fetus and Divine Empire are there
>tonight. I'll be banging my head. D.E. is one of my current favorite death
>metal bands. Others include: Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Deicide,
I'm still mad at Benton for breaking his promise and not killing himself when
he turned 30. Deicide was another band I got a lot of mileage out of,
retelling their interviews ("We don't fly in ariplane because it takes us too
close to Heaven").
>Immolation, Diabolic and Incantation. The Pound's a cool little place. It's
>far away from everything, which is good in one way that it helps keep the
>bitching yuppies from trying to close it down. I love it when yuppies move
>into a 'hood. They know a club has been across the street for years and
>years, yet when they move in they start complaining about the noise, and try
>to shut the place down; all because they think they're so goddamed
>important. I've known Tony, who owns the Pound, since he owned Cha Cha Cha
>on Haight St.; we used to hang out at the Terminator on Mission. That was
>the best club in SF, ever. (Now I'm going back a few years!)
Terminator used to be the club where I got my fetish fix, back in the day.
>> >> I only decided to look them up because it was early in the alphabet
>(i.e.,
>> >> before I got bored looking at the CDs), and the name and song titles
>were
>> >so
>> >> over-the-top.
>> >
>> >Yes, indeedy.
>>
>> In a direct slam at the RIAA, I recently downloaded "Hitler was a very
>> sensitive man" and "I just met the gayest guy in the world."
>
>Most metal bands appreciate fans who download their music, it's the only way
>someone can hear their music. It's not like there's any radio station
>(except KUSF) that's going to be playing Dying Fetus anytime in the near
>future.
>
>My website is back up. Check out: www.bastmagazine.com
Hee hee - will do. It'll be interesting to see what I've lost touch with and
what I recognize.
MH
> >> >> Unreadable logos are hilarious to me.
> >> >The saying goes: if you can't read it, you wouldn't like the music
> >anyway,
> >> >or something like that.
> >> Doesn't really roll off the tongue, that motto.
> >That's why I know I got it wrong. : )
>
> "If it's too loud, you can't read it"?
> No.........
> "If you can read, you don't like music"?
> No.......
>
>
> >I have a few funny (not for Mortiis) stories about Mortiis. He's quite
the
> >dweeb. I've been in metal since the mid-80s. I know or have met almost
> >everybody.
>
> I slapped "OT" on my response just so I could feel good about asking you
to
> share a Mortiis story.
>
Expo of the Extreme (add shit for a more precise understanding of the lame
event) in Chicago in '96 or '95. It was a terrible festival, apparently. The
guy putting it on was an ass and did a very bad job of it. My friend Boom of
the SF hardcore band The Idiots was there to play. They got shafted out of
some promised money, so Boom was ready for a little mischief. He heard that
Mortiis was staying in the same hotel and wanted to party with him. He went
to Mortiis' room where there was an ice chest full of beer. Mortiis, who
weighs about 90 pounds and is about 5 feet tall (side bar: there are two
types of Norwegians; those who are blond and very tall and those who are
light brown or dark haired and small) was partying with two extremely skanky
junkie-type bimbos and didn't even acknowlege Boom and his friend from the
Portland punk rock band Portrait of Poverty. Mortiis, who had never done
heroin before wound up OD'ing and going to the hospital. (He was released
the next day.) The dude from POP is an EMT and recesitated Mortiis and got
him to the hospital. Boom proceeded to take all Mortiis' beer and steal his
ears. So, when Mortiis performed in San Francisco a couplel days later, he
didn't have those stupid ears. : ) It was one of the most laughibly bad
shows I've ever seen. Thank god because of my magazine (now only done
online) BAST magazine, I get in to most shows for free. I would have hated
to pay for it.
> My college years (graduated in 1992) were the time I was most into metal.
I
> was picking up every European metal magazine I could get.
>
> Tell me you've met the Great Kat, and she didn't act like a lunatic.
>
I've never cared for her and thought she was rather silly. And no, I've
never met her. I went to see Opeth and Porcupine Tree Opeth is my very
favorite band on the planet. I've seen them 6 times now, both here in the US
and in Europe. Thursday night and got to meet the hired keyboardist for
Opeth, who also plays in one of my other fav. bands Spiritual Beggars. They
rock.
>
> >> >"Lords of Chaos" is one of my favorite books. I love it. Black metal
> >borrows
> >> >from classical, Scandinavian folk music, as well as the influences of
> >> >Bathory, Venom and Celtic Frost. Enslaved, Emperor, Marduk, Burzum,
> >> >Darkthrone and Borknagar are probably my favorites.
> >>
> >> I've noticed a lot of 'heavy' bands on bills at the Pound over at Pier
96.
> >> Have you seen a show there? What's it like?
> >
> >I've been to many shows there. Dying Fetus and Divine Empire are there
> >tonight. I'll be banging my head. D.E. is one of my current favorite
death
> >metal bands. Others include: Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Deicide,
>
> I'm still mad at Benton for breaking his promise and not killing himself
when
> he turned 30. Deicide was another band I got a lot of mileage out of,
> retelling their interviews ("We don't fly in ariplane because it takes us
too
> close to Heaven").
>
But live, they're great. And it's old school stuff. Glenn's a bit of a jerk
(har, har...) but I still like them. This is another funny story from me: I
make cookies for most of the extreme metal bands who play here in San
Francisco. I made chocolate upsidedown crosses for Deicide. : ) They loved
them.
>
> >Immolation, Diabolic and Incantation. The Pound's a cool little place.
It's
> >far away from everything, which is good in one way that it helps keep the
> >bitching yuppies from trying to close it down. I love it when yuppies
move
> >into a 'hood. They know a club has been across the street for years and
> >years, yet when they move in they start complaining about the noise, and
try
> >to shut the place down; all because they think they're so goddamed
> >important. I've known Tony, who owns the Pound, since he owned Cha Cha
Cha
> >on Haight St.; we used to hang out at the Terminator on Mission. That was
> >the best club in SF, ever. (Now I'm going back a few years!)
>
> Terminator used to be the club where I got my fetish fix, back in the day.
>
That was where I was every Friday night for as long as they were open. I was
always there.
>
> >> >> I only decided to look them up because it was early in the alphabet
> >(i.e.,
> >> >> before I got bored looking at the CDs), and the name and song titles
> >were
> >> >so
> >> >> over-the-top.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, indeedy.
> >>
> >> In a direct slam at the RIAA, I recently downloaded "Hitler was a very
> >> sensitive man" and "I just met the gayest guy in the world."
> >
> >Most metal bands appreciate fans who download their music, it's the only
way
> >someone can hear their music. It's not like there's any radio station
> >(except KUSF) that's going to be playing Dying Fetus anytime in the near
> >future.
> >
> >My website is back up. Check out: www.bastmagazine.com
>
> Hee hee - will do. It'll be interesting to see what I've lost touch with
and
> what I recognize.
Cool, let me know what you think.
Martha