OT: Scary picture
John Walsh
elaich
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> sco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Know what? I don't have a sympathetic bone in my body for this woman.
Drunken, moron A's fans (of the Raiders type) who bought seats behind the
dugout for the express purpose of making life miserable for the opposing
team. I've read that the abuse they heaped on the Rangers was unspeakable,
and got worse as they got drunker.
Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that buying a ticket to a
baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the
players on the opposing team. If you said the things these people said to
the Rangers players in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself. I
hope the judge throws it out of court.
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Greg Lentz
>John Walsh <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in news:427254AC...@lava.net:
>
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/28/rangers.franci
>> sco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
>
>Know what? I don't have a sympathetic bone in my body for this woman.
>Drunken, moron A's fans (of the Raiders type) who bought seats behind the
>dugout for the express purpose of making life miserable for the opposing
>team. I've read that the abuse they heaped on the Rangers was unspeakable,
>and got worse as they got drunker.
>
>Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that buying a ticket to a
>baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the
>players on the opposing team.
Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that being on a major league
field does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the paying
customers.
>If you said the things these people said to
>the Rangers players in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself. I
>hope the judge throws it out of court.
What things did the woman say exactly to merit getting hit with a chair?
Greg Lentz
Randy Heaton
> John Walsh <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in news:427254AC...@lava.net:
>
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/28/rangers.franci
>> sco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
>
> Know what? I don't have a sympathetic bone in my body for this woman.
> Drunken, moron A's fans (of the Raiders type) who bought seats behind the
> dugout for the express purpose of making life miserable for the opposing
> team. I've read that the abuse they heaped on the Rangers was unspeakable,
> and got worse as they got drunker.
I have sympathy for her, she is hideous looking. Are all A's fans that
ugly?
>
> Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that buying a ticket to a
> baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the
> players on the opposing team. If you said the things these people said to
> the Rangers players in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself. I
> hope the judge throws it out of court.
On the other hand, why would someone have the right to throw a chair at a
customer that did not lay a hand on them? The biggest problem here was
security? If you are going to let people drink and sit within 20-40ft of
players then you have to pay security to protect both customers and players.
The Dave©
> Are all A's fans
> that ugly?
Only the closet Giant fans that got priced out when their team made the
move from Candlestick.
mrbisco
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"John Walsh" <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in message
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> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/28/rangers.francisco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Jim Garaventa
> John Walsh <j1w...@lava.net> wrote:
>
>>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/28/rangers.franci
>>sco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
>
> Know what? I don't have a sympathetic bone in my body for this woman.
> Drunken, moron A's fans (of the Raiders type) who bought seats behind the
> dugout for the express purpose of making life miserable for the opposing
> team. I've read that the abuse they heaped on the Rangers was unspeakable,
> and got worse as they got drunker.
What did she do other than showing poor judgment in the man she married?
By the accounts, she did not participate in the verbal abuse of the
players.
> Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that buying a ticket to a
> baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the
> players on the opposing team.
The definition of mayhem is malicious injury that disfigures or disables
a person. The fans weren't doing this; if they had, they'd have been
arrested.
I don't think that fans should spent their time at the ballpark berating
opposing players (and I do think that something should be done to curb
that like ejecting abusive patrons), but to equate verbal abuse with
mayhem is ridiculous.
> If you said the things these people said to
> the Rangers players in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself.
Then there'd millions of lawsuits and our judicial system would stop
from the workload.
> I hope the judge throws it out of court.
The judge won't and shouldn't. Throwing objects at innocent people
without regard to who gets hit is stupid, criminal, and worthy of
punishment.
Jim
mozark
Samfromoz
"Greg Lentz" <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
Short of self defence against a woman who is yielding a deadly weapon, there
is never any excuse to hit a women - or anyone for that matter.
Elaichs statements are scary to say the least :-/
Samfromoz
"elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message
Hmmm............... why is it I feel the uncontrollable urge to sing Cyndi
Laupers hit "True Colors"??
Wookie
Really her husband has 1/2 the blame in this incident as well ..as he was
taunting the players .. was it justified .. no, but the ball players did not
just go out and start smashing people, there was extenuating circumstances.
And where was the husband when the chair was being swung .. probably ducking
out of the way .. what a big mouth chump he was.
"mozark" <moz...@ozark.net> wrote in message
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Samfromoz
"Randy Heaton" <randy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> "elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message > > Somebody, somewhere, has to send a
message that buying a ticket to a
> > baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the
> > players on the opposing team. If you said the things these people said
to
> > the Rangers players in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself. I
> > hope the judge throws it out of court.
>
> On the other hand, why would someone have the right to throw a chair at a
> customer that did not lay a hand on them?
The player in question needs some anger management course and the woman
could probably do with some alcohol rehab! Neither have a "right" to behave
as they did, but the player had no excuse to throw a chair.
Samfromoz
"Jim Garaventa" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
> elaich wrote:
> > Know what? I don't have a sympathetic bone in my body for this woman.
> > Drunken, moron A's fans (of the Raiders type) who bought seats behind
the
> > dugout for the express purpose of making life miserable for the opposing
> > team. I've read that the abuse they heaped on the Rangers was
unspeakable,
> > and got worse as they got drunker.
>
> What did she do other than showing poor judgment in the man she married?
> By the accounts, she did not participate in the verbal abuse of the
> players.
Really?? Well then this is a sorry state of affairs. Did he actually intend
to hit her? Of was he "aiming" for the husband? Not that it makes the
situation any better, just different.
> I don't think that fans should spent their time at the ballpark berating
> opposing players (and I do think that something should be done to curb
> that like ejecting abusive patrons), but to equate verbal abuse with
> mayhem is ridiculous.
I remember watching one game last year, cant even remember who it was
against but there was this one guy behind home plate who boomed in a deep
loud voice whenever Bonds came up to hit. I remember thinking what an idiot
and pitying the woman he was with. Then the commentators showed the guy in
close up and said he was a LAWYER!!! LOL. He never got up from his seat
whilst berating Bonds, wasnt racist, rude nor did he swear etc He just sat
there calmly booming his insults! I laughed thinking that this was probably
the guys "outlet" :-) Now if Bonds or anyone retaliated it would have been
totally unjustified.
> > I hope the judge throws it out of court.
>
> The judge won't and shouldn't. Throwing objects at innocent people
> without regard to who gets hit is stupid, criminal, and worthy of
> punishment.
I hope the judge throws the chair...... ooops I mean book at him ;-)
Samfromoz
"Wookie" <T...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> She has been hit with an UGLY stick before this happened !!!!
I fail to see how what she looked like before the incident should have any
bearing on anything.
> Really her husband has 1/2 the blame in this incident as well ..as he was
> taunting the players .. was it justified .. no, but the ball players did
not
> just go out and start smashing people, there was extenuating
circumstances.
The player in question probably hits his own wife for less.
> And where was the husband when the chair was being swung .. probably
ducking
> out of the way .. what a big mouth chump he was.
Yep probably, men are such cowards ;-)
Richard Booroojian
As I recall, the real idiot in the stands was her husband. I think the wife
really was a relatively innocent bystander. I notice her jackass of a
husband was not at the news conference yesterday.
rb
John Walsh
Ragging on the player is one thing, but even though her husband was
drunk,
he didn't threaten the Ranger pitchers in the bullpen. Even at that, she
wasn't the instigator for this fight, so what exactly did she deserve?
Aside from all of that, that bandage did help her looks. :)
Samfromoz
"John Walsh" <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in message
> elaich wrote:
> > Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that buying a ticket to a
> > baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem against the
> > players on the opposing team. If you said the things these people said
to
> > the Rangers players in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself. I
> > hope the judge throws it out of court.
>
> drunk,
> he didn't threaten the Ranger pitchers in the bullpen. Even at that, she
> wasn't the instigator for this fight, so what exactly did she deserve?
A night out with Elaich? ;-)
John Walsh
Thing is, she wasn't the target of the attack. Chairs are not easily
thrown articles and Francisco was likely aiming at her dumbass of a
husband.
John Walsh
No you can't! It's in the public domain and nobody forced you to look
at it.
Matter of fact, I posted it as "Scary picture" so you have only yourself
to
blame for what you saw. If it crushed your libido, there's always
baseball
to blot out that horrid image. :)
John Walsh
Here's how I see it. Francisco, rightly offended but not using good
judgement, picks up the chair. As he turns with the chair in hand
and whirls around to toss it at her husband, sees his wife and is
so shocked that he prematurely releases the chair and hits her by
accident.
Exiled
Trop in St Pete....
Very few fans.....
"Samfromoz" <cool...@MYOB.com> wrote in message
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elaich
Would be something you've never experienced in your life, since you need 3
men and still aren't happy.
Samfromoz
"John Walsh" <j1w...@lava.net> wrote in message
> Samfromoz wrote:
> > Short of self defence against a woman who is yielding a deadly weapon,
there
> > is never any excuse to hit a women - or anyone for that matter.
> > Elaichs statements are scary to say the least :-/
>
> Thing is, she wasn't the target of the attack. Chairs are not easily
> thrown articles and Francisco was likely aiming at her dumbass of a
> husband.
Which makes the player in question even more of an arse for lashing out as
he did. In such a confined area he must have been aware of the difficulty in
ensuring he hit his "target", obviously his view was tainted by aggression,
even more reason he needs anger management.
Samfromoz
"elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:3dgivuF...@individual.net...
> >> A night out with Elaich? ;-)
>
> Would be something you've never experienced in your life, since you need 3
> men and still aren't happy.
Not sure why I am bothering responding as you have me kilfiled anyway. And
even less sure why I need to explain myself to you, other than to show you
to be the arse and idiot you are -
1) Don't sleep with my husband - haven't for 5 years - hence the
separation - DUH!
2) Boyfriend isn't local - too far away - phone is useful, but not quite the
same thing (and he is aware of both my husband and my lover)
3) Lover is local and Goooooood!! he is aware of my husband and my
boyfriend - I keep no secrets from them (only from soon to be ex husband).
So technically I am not having 3 men at once (though I am not saying that
hasn't happened).
Don't judge me til you have walked a mile in my shoes.
Oh and BTW I doubt I am missing very much at all!
James Farrar
> elaich wrote:
>> I hope the judge throws it out of court.
>
>
> The judge won't and shouldn't. Throwing objects at innocent people
> without regard to who gets hit is stupid, criminal, and worthy of
> punishment.
If it's criminal, there should be a criminal prosecution.
Black Metal Martha
John Walsh wrote:
>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/28/rangers.francisco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
ACK! My god, that's a scary picture! She looks like she could take on a
baseball player and beat the sh&$ out of him!
And that hair. Someone has got to tell her to get a makeover, complete
with plastic surgery.
Martha
John Walsh
How did you know? :-)
John Walsh
She won't wash that hair, or take the bandage off before the judges
awards
her a nice settlement on her lawsuit.
JVV...@yahoo.com
You guys are pretty fucked up, for posting insults directed at someone who
got her nose broken by an athlete throwing a chair.
Where are you pretty pictures, assfucks?
JVV...@yahoo.com
"Samfromoz" <cool...@MYOB.com> wrote in message
I guess Australia has white trash too.
Jeanne Douglas
"Wookie" <T...@comcast.net> wrote:
> She has been hit with an UGLY stick before this happened !!!!
>
> Really her husband has 1/2 the blame in this incident as well ..as he was
> taunting the players .. was it justified .. no, but the ball players did not
> just go out and start smashing people, there was extenuating circumstances.
Verbal taunting is NOT an extenuating circumstance.
HTH.
--
JD
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game, the American game.
It will repair our losses and be a blessing to us."-- Walt Whitman
Samfromoz
"Jeanne Douglas" <hlw...@pacbell.net> wrote in message >
Maybe she had bad breath too? ;-)
A Jaunty One
> She has been hit with an UGLY stick before this happened !!!!
>
> Really her husband has 1/2 the blame in this incident as well ..
Only 1/2 the blame? Here's the 2 scenarios:
1) The husband is mentally disturbed from having such an ugly wife, and
he needed to vent off at players in ballparks as an outlet. He felt he
was the real victim.
2) This was really the husband's master plan to kill his ugly wife
without doing it himself. He was successful in taunting the players but
over-estimated the player's strength. Oh, and he worships Scott
Peterson.
OK, fine, bad jokes...
Black Metal Martha
A Jaunty One wrote:
> "Wookie" <T...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:m7ednUlyS45...@comcast.com...
> > She has been hit with an UGLY stick before this happened !!!!
> >
> > Really her husband has 1/2 the blame in this incident as well ..
>
> Only 1/2 the blame? Here's the 2 scenarios:
> 1) The husband is mentally disturbed from having such an ugly wife,
and
> he needed to vent off at players in ballparks as an outlet. He felt
he
> was the real victim.
Are we assuming that he's a handsome hunk? I'll bet the hubby is as
butt fugly as wifey.
>
> 2) This was really the husband's master plan to kill his ugly wife
> without doing it himself. He was successful in taunting the players
but
> over-estimated the player's strength. Oh, and he worships Scott
> Peterson.
Don't forget Robert Blake.
>
Martha
Greg Lentz
Oh, I know that. I'm just exposing elaich's lack of understanding of the
situation. But even her husband saying stupid things doesn't merit a
chair being thrown.
Greg Lentz
Greg Lentz
Which brings up a good question? Is there a criminal prosecution and if
not, why the hell not?
Greg Lentz
indifference
indifference
Peter Lawrence
> "Richard Booroojian" wrote:> > > > John Walsh <j1w...@lava.net> wrote:
> > > > >
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/28/rangers.francisco.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
> > > >
> > > > Know what? I don't have a sympathetic bone in my body for this
> > > > woman. Drunken, moron A's fans (of the Raiders type) who bought
> > > > seats behind the dugout for the express purpose of making life
> > > > miserable for the opposing team. I've read that the abuse they
> > > > heaped on the Rangers was unspeakable, and got worse as they
> > > > got drunker.
> > > >
> > > > Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that buying a ticket
> > > > to a baseball game does not give one the right to commit mayhem
> > > > against the players on the opposing team.
> > >
> > > Somebody, somewhere, has to send a message that being on a major
> > > league field does not give one the right to commit mayhem against
> > > the paying customers.
> > >
> > > > If you said the things these people said to the Rangers players
> > > > in public, you'd be liable for a lawsuit yourself. I hope the
> > > > judge throws it out of court.
> > >
> > > What things did the woman say exactly to merit getting hit with a
> > > chair?
> >
> > As I recall, the real idiot in the stands was her husband. I think
> > the wife really was a relatively innocent bystander. I notice her
> > jackass of a husband was not at the news conference yesterday.
>
> Oh, I know that. I'm just exposing elaich's lack of understanding of
> the situation. But even her husband saying stupid things doesn't
> merit a chair being thrown.
The one thing that bugs me with this type of lawsuit, is the money the
plaintiff tries to wring out of the defendants for "emotional
duress".
---
In the article, the following is written:
Jennifer Bueno said she has physically recovered from her injury,
pointing to a small scar on the bridge of her nose, but said she is
still affected emotionally by the incident.
"It's something that's going to stay with me for the rest of my life,"
Bueno said. "I never thought that I'd have to go to a game and be
fearful for players attacking me, but nobody can say that won't happen,
because we know now it can."
Bueno said she has not attended any baseball games since then and did
not anticipate going to any soon. She also said she is "apprehensive
and scared" of confrontations at her children's games.
---
Oh please! She is "apprehensive and scared" of confrontations at her
children's games??? Maybe if she attends the games with her loud mouth
husband she should be. But that's not the Ranger's fault.
I think she has every right to sue the Texas Rangers and the security
company for compensation for the physical injuries she suffered by
being hit by the chair (including loss of wages if she had to miss
work). But the long-term emotionally injured stuff is pure B.S. and I
hope the jury doesn't reward her even one penny for her emotional
sufferings.
- Peter
Peter Lawrence
> James Farrar wrote:
> > Jim Garaventa wrote:
> > > elaich wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hope the judge throws it out of court.
> > >
> > > The judge won't and shouldn't. Throwing objects at innocent
> > > people without regard to who gets hit is stupid, criminal, and
> > > worthy of punishment.
> >
> > If it's criminal, there should be a criminal prosecution.
>
> Which brings up a good question? Is there a criminal prosecution and
> if not, why the hell not?
Yes, there is.
The article states "The criminal trial against Francisco is still
pending, and was postponed Thursday by the judge until June 2."
- Peter
Greg Lentz
Thanks. To be honest, I didn't bother reading the article.
Greg Lentz
Greg Lentz
Agreed.
Greg Lentz
John Walsh
She's laying it on thick to get as much in her settlement as she
can milk out of the A's, Rangers and anyone else included in the
suit.