a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a C-level prospect b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a C-level prospect Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
He's going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard."
> a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > C-level prospect > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > C-level prospect > Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for > The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is > announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
Both are terrible trades; I would give up Karstens before I give up Marquez, but Gagne is NOT worth Karstens/Marquez AND Clippard. Nevermind throwing in a C-level prospect.
I'll go as far as to say that this blows up the theory that the pitchers in this organization are going to be protected. You cannot throw prospects like this away for an oft-injured two month rent-a- reliever.
> a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > C-level prospect > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > C-level prospect > Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for > The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is > announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
> He's going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard."
While I agree with your assessment of Gagne, the players we will ostensibly relinquish are hardly top, blue-chip prospects. This trade is consistent with George's wish to do something to strengthen the team and, perhaps, get the wild card spot.
>> a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a >> C-level prospect >> b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a >> C-level prospect >> Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for >> The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is >> announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
> Both are terrible trades; I would give up Karstens before I give up > Marquez, but Gagne is NOT worth Karstens/Marquez AND Clippard. > Nevermind throwing in a C-level prospect.
> I'll go as far as to say that this blows up the theory that the > pitchers in this organization are going to be protected. You cannot > throw prospects like this away for an oft-injured two month rent-a- > reliever.
> > a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > > C-level prospect > > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > > C-level prospect > > Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for > > The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is > > announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
> Both are terrible trades; I would give up Karstens before I give up > Marquez, but Gagne is NOT worth Karstens/Marquez AND Clippard. > Nevermind throwing in a C-level prospect.
> I'll go as far as to say that this blows up the theory that the > pitchers in this organization are going to be protected. You cannot > throw prospects like this away for an oft-injured two month rent-a- > reliever.
I'll wait for confirmation (as this Benton guy is the same clown who delivered us Conor Jackson last winter) in this case. If the trade is for T-Clip and Marquez, they better get Gagne to agree to some sort of extension (fat chance). He's probably not even going to be class A FA as they tend to go with 3yrs window prior to free agency.
I'll wait until something more tangible appears than Benton and his "source" at this point.
On Jul 30, 8:15 pm, "saxmaniac" <saxman...@cox.net> wrote:
> While I agree with your assessment of Gagne, the players we will ostensibly > relinquish are hardly top, blue-chip prospects.
They're not blue chippers but T-Clip and Marquez are talented young kids. If you give away two three B, B+ (Sickels standard) pitching prospects every time you make a trade, sooner or later you're going to make a disastrous one (catastrophic at times as Sabean found out). The Yanks are loaded up and down the system with good arms, but you have to price things correctly to stop from making these lopsided deals. Otherwise you end up sending Tippy and McGregor to Weaver so they end up tormenting the Yanks for years.
Tom K wrote: > Both are terrible trades; I would give up Karstens before I give up > Marquez, but Gagne is NOT worth Karstens/Marquez AND Clippard. > Nevermind throwing in a C-level prospect.
> I'll go as far as to say that this blows up the theory that the > pitchers in this organization are going to be protected. You cannot > throw prospects like this away for an oft-injured two month rent-a- > reliever.
> I'll wait for confirmation (as this Benton guy is the same clown who > delivered us Conor Jackson last winter) in this case. If the trade is > for T-Clip and Marquez, they better get Gagne to agree to some sort of > extension (fat chance). He's probably not even going to be class A FA > as they tend to go with 3yrs window prior to free agency.
> I'll wait until something more tangible appears than Benton and his > "source" at this point.
"Meanwhile, despite the unsourced and unconfirmed reports you may be seeing elsewhere, there is no deal yet for Eric Gagne. I'm not saying a deal isn't out there to be made, but team officials say there is nothing done. Lots of smoke, though.
> a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > C-level prospect > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > C-level prospect
On Jul 30, 11:15 pm, "saxmaniac" <saxman...@cox.net> wrote:
> While I agree with your assessment of Gagne, the players we will ostensibly > relinquish are hardly top, blue-chip prospects. This trade is consistent > with George's wish to do something to strengthen the team and, perhaps, get > the wild card spot.
I actually put Marquez on a top-prospect list within this organization....and yes, that is saying something given the pitching depth the organization has.
Teams will never learn that trading good prospects for relief pitchers is just bad practice - it's hardly ever justifiable in my book.
Trading a few of these pitchers is something that HAS to be done at some point, don't get me wrong. But wrong time, wrong player. And Gagne does little in my eyes to make them a stronger wild-card contender. He's more likely to blow out his arm on his first pitch in pinstripes, if the trade does happen.
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:38:40 -0400, "Zod" <j...@aow.com> wrote: >.....per Jim Johnson "the Bronx Block":
>"I've heard two versions:
> a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a >C-level prospect > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a >C-level prospect >Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for >The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is >announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
>He's going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard."
What year is this, 1985?
I hope Cashman has more sense than to make a deal like this one. Given that Joba has been tapped for a setup role, this deal would make even less sense.
> a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > C-level prospect > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > C-level prospect > Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for > The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is > announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
> He's going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard."
steadfast in his vow not to trade top righthanded pitching prospects Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy. There is a chance he might relent on Alan Horne, which might be enough to get Gagne."
> > a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > > C-level prospect > > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > > C-level prospect > > Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for > > The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is > > announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip.
> Both are terrible trades; I would give up Karstens before I give up > Marquez, but Gagne is NOT worth Karstens/Marquez AND Clippard. > Nevermind throwing in a C-level prospect.
> I'll go as far as to say that this blows up the theory that the > pitchers in this organization are going to be protected. You cannot > throw prospects like this away for an oft-injured two month rent-a- > reliever.
On Jul 30, 11:15 pm, "saxmaniac" <saxman...@cox.net> wrote:
> While I agree with your assessment of Gagne, the players we will ostensibly > relinquish are hardly top, blue-chip prospects. This trade is consistent > with George's wish to do something to strengthen the team and, perhaps, get > the wild card spot.
It strentgthens the team only a little. If they want to trade these guys, they could certainly put them to better use. If they want to keep them, they can also put them to better use.
> > a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > > C-level prospect > > b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > > C-level prospect
> Total panic move.
I don't think it's panic - it's just dumb. They ain't going anywhere and are just weakening the club for the future.
<oneilsprost...@aol.com> wrote: > On Jul 30, 11:36 pm, Throws like Mary <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Total panic move.
> I don't think it's panic - it's just dumb. They ain't going anywhere > and are just weakening the club for the future.
> Great deal. Do it. :)
The Yanks problems have been as much about starting pitching this year as about the bullpen. Closing the barn door after the horses have already been traded. (Gotta love Farm metaphors.)
news:EI2dnRYpPuwsPTPbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com... : .....per Jim Johnson "the Bronx Block": : : "I've heard two versions: : : a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a : C-level prospect : b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a : C-level prospect : Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for : The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is : announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip. : : He's going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard." : : : http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/ : Gagne was traded to the Red Sox. So much for Jim Johnson.
<hots...@mofo.com> wrote: > "Zod" <j...@aow.com> wrote in message
> news:EI2dnRYpPuwsPTPbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > : .....per Jim Johnson "the Bronx Block": > : > : "I've heard two versions: > : > : a.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, and a > : C-level prospect > : b.. Eric Gagne to the Yankees for Tyler Clippard, Jeff Marquez, and a > : C-level prospect > : Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for > : The Sandman. I will update this post when the exact information is > : announced. Thanks to Dan Benton for the tip. > : > : He's going to be unrecognizable without that billygoat beard." > : > : > :http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/ > : > Gagne was traded to the Red Sox. So much for Jim Johnson.
It's that Benton guy who also "broke" the story on Conor Jackson coming over for T-Clip this past winter.
news:1185862319.798106.314200@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... : On Jul 30, 11:15 pm, "saxmaniac" <saxman...@cox.net> wrote: : > While I agree with your assessment of Gagne, the players we will ostensibly : > relinquish are hardly top, blue-chip prospects. This trade is consistent : > with George's wish to do something to strengthen the team and, perhaps, get : > the wild card spot. : : I actually put Marquez on a top-prospect list within this : organization....and yes, that is saying something given the pitching : depth the organization has.
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