Maybe it was the players, not Torre?
t...@hiphipny.net
little self-pride. I totally agree with Torre in that he didn't need
any "motivation" in regards to the incentive clauses. Of course he
wanted to win, and after 12 years of loyal service, I would think that
would be obvious. People who think it was about the money have no
idea about what motivates people like Joe Torre. Typical Steinbrenner
thing, make it about the money. Anyone remember at all all the
overpriced, underacheiving people the Yankees had to endure before the
beginning of the Torre era? I could rattle off an ad nauseum list of
people who stunk it up that George wanted here, and overspent for. I
wonder why we never see any of those people at Old-Timers Day? Maybe
rthey aren't invited for the obvious embarassment amd reminder it
would be of how crappy the Yanks were under the "pay people tons of
money plan to get nothing." Sound familiar? Half of the people on
the Yankee teams in the last 5 years.
Late 80's- early 90's's regrettable contracts: Steve Balboni, Ken
Phelps, Jack Clark, Steve Trout, Dave La Pointe, Rick Rhoden, Tim
Leary, Pete Incaviglia, Andy Hawkins, Melido Perez, Kenny Rogers
late 90's: maybe Chuck Knoblach, was there even any other really bad
contracts? There were a ton of bad relievers, but they weren't paid
that much
2001-2007: Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Raul Mondesi, Roger Clemens
(this year), Tony Womack, Javier Vasquez, Jose Contreras, That
freaking guy from atlanta they signed for 4 years, 32 mill and pitched
for squat, Carl Pavano. Ditto again for the relievers.
I'm tempted to put Mussina and Gaimbi there too, but at least they
performed well for a while. And I'm sure I forget a bunch of others
too, but you get the idea.
Since 2001, the spendthrift fantasy league way the Yanks have been put
together is what has messed up the team, not Torre. You can pin it
some on Cashman, some on the fools in Tampa, and some on George. He
had a great group of TEAM players to work with in the 90's, and a
bunch of overpaid egos this decade.
Maybe it was time for Joe to go, since they might have just kept
spending even more on garbage for him to manage. But I find it
extremely unfair to pin everything on him,when there are so many hands
in the pot to blame.
BadgerBC
> The decision to leave wasn't about the money, it was about having a
> little self-pride. I totally agree with Torre in that he didn't need
> any "motivation" in regards to the incentive clauses. Of course he
> wanted to win, and after 12 years of loyal service, I would think that
> would be obvious. People who think it was about the money have no
> idea about what motivates people like Joe Torre. Typical Steinbrenner
> thing, make it about the money. Anyone remember at all all the
> overpriced, underacheiving people the Yankees had to endure before the
> beginning of the Torre era? I could rattle off an ad nauseum list of
> people who stunk it up that George wanted here, and overspent for. I
> wonder why we never see any of those people at Old-Timers Day? Maybe
> rthey aren't invited for the obvious embarassment amd reminder it
> would be of how crappy the Yanks were under the "pay people tons of
> money plan to get nothing." Sound familiar? Half of the people on
> the Yankee teams in the last 5 years.
>
> Late 80's- early 90's's regrettable contracts: Steve Balboni,
Bones was a Yankee farm hand
> Ken
> Phelps,
I guess you don't watch Seinfeld
>Jack Clark, Steve Trout, Dave La Pointe,
>Rick Rhoden,
You need to be more precise. Don't you recall "I just won you the
pennant. I got you Steve Trout"?
>Tim
> Leary, Pete Incaviglia, Andy Hawkins, Melido Perez,
Incaviglia cost 250k for a midseason pickup after Fielder went down.
They were just taking a shot at a RH bat in an emergency. Perez was a
a great pickup. Buck destroyed his arm, but how could you whine about
picking up Perez, Wickman and Jean for a washed up Sax?
D C
>> Ken Phelps
>
> I guess you don't watch Seinfeld
LOL.
O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - I 0wn j0000000
Pepe Papon
>late 90's: maybe Chuck Knoblach, was there even any other really bad
>contracts?
Knoblauch helped the team win 3 WS before he fell off a cliff. I
don't know if that can be counted as a bad contract.
Tom K
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Yep - and he "only" made $6M a season when he was on the Yankees.
The deal itself was also a very good one - nobody they gave up became
significant, other than MAYBE Eric Milton, who had a few useful seasons.
I think people overlook a lot of Knoblauch's contributions because of his
throwing issue. It's a mistake to overlook all of the positives he brought
the franchise; this was a franchise that needed a second baseman pretty darn
badly the year they dealt for him.