Which players will be rested next week?
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teams. Let's assume that NE won't rest players, for three reasons:
(1) they don't tend to do that; (2) they have a bye, and won't want to
rest them for an extra week; and (3) whether they admit it or not,
they want 16-0 really badly. As a bonus 4th reason, I think BB wants
individual records for guys like Brady and Moss. So let's look at the
prospective playoff teams:
AFC
1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
half with a 21 point lead.
2. Indianapolis. #2 seed all locked up, absolutely nothing to play
for. I think they play Peyton for about a quarter, maybe two
quarters, at most. Dungy's MO the past few years has been to rest his
guys in this situation. I think Peyton, Addai, and Wayne see 1/2 of
the game at most.
3. San Diego. #3 seed, most likely. I think they will look to rest
LT some, b/c they have a game the next week. I think only if the 3/4
seeding is up for grabs will they really go for it, which is entirely
possible.
4. Pittsburgh. #4 seed. I think they rest players, because they're
pretty banged up as it is. They cannot afford to lose Davenport, now
that Parker is out for the year. Ward has lots of bumps and bruises,
and Santonio Holmes has had an on-again, off-again ankle injury the
past few weeks.
5. Jacksonville. #5 seed, locked up. I wonder about this. I'm not
sure what to think. Right now, they're on such a roll that it seems
to make little sense to disturb that momentum by resting players.
Plus, Garrard missed several games this year with an injury, and has
really hit his stride the past few games. It would make sense to keep
him hot. However, they rested guys in the 2nd half of today's blowout
win, so perhaps we could see that.
6. Cleveland/Tennessee. Obviously, they won't be resting players
because the playoffs are on the line for them.
NFC
1. Dallas, #1 seed all locked up. I don't know what to think about
this either. Romo's banged up thumb is an issue, and it makes sense
to rest him, and I think he'll play a quarter or two at most, then
sit. TO is out. Terry Glenn...well, he's due to come back, and would
it make sense for him to get one retular-season game in before the
playoffs? I'd think so. I see Julius Jones playing a lot, but maybe
not so much for Marion Barber, who dishes out, and absorbs, a
tremendous amount of punishment.
2. Green Bay, #2 seed. I think they should rest Favre, because he's
still banged up. If for no other reason than his consecutive game
starting streak, he obviously won't sit the entire game. But I don't
see him playing a ton. I wonder about Ryan Grant though.
3. Seattle, #3 seed locked up because they are up one game on TB and
they have the head-to-head tiebreaker over them. Given that they have
a playoff game the first week, I think they rest key guys, especially
Hasselbeck and Alexander.
4. Tampa Bay, #4 seed. They rested a lot of guys today, so that
should show you how they'll handle it next week too.
5. NY Giants, #5 seed. If any team is going to rest guys next week,
it's the Giants. Burress has a bad ankle and back and desperately
needs a week off. Eli may rest as well. Jacobs hurt his leg today
too and needs some rest. I think we'll see the Giants "B" squad
against New England, which will allow Brady to get his TD passes to
Moss quickly, and then after NE builds up a huge lead early, to play
their "B" team as well. This has the look of the 2nd or 3rd game of
the preseason to me.
6. Minnesota or Washington. If Minnesota wins, they're in and they
will likely rest Adrian Peterson. If Washington wins, they hold a
tiebreaker over Minnesota (due to H2H tiebreaker), but they'll have
the same record going into the last game. In that case, nobody rests
and everyone is playing for their playoff lives.
This kind of thing, by the way, is what really makes fantasy football
kind of silly - at least the leagues where week 17 is the "Super
Bowl". A large percentage of really good players will be taking huge
chunks of time off next week as their real team prepares for the
playoffs...so that kills fantasy owners who have relied on these guys
all season long only to find them unavailable in their championship
game. (Note: I'm not in such a league, so it isn't sour grapes for
me)
John
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about that Roger Clemens character?
<sheepishly ducks out>
John
Vinnie S.
I've done that !
Vinnie S.
Zoolander
> AFC
> 1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
> they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
> hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
> two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
> half with a 21 point lead.
>
Brady will rest after Strahan knocks him out.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
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> I'm not just talking about for the Pats, but of all the playoff-bound
> teams. Let's assume that NE won't rest players, for three reasons:
> (1) they don't tend to do that; (2) they have a bye, and won't want to
> rest them for an extra week; and (3) whether they admit it or not,
> they want 16-0 really badly. As a bonus 4th reason, I think BB wants
> individual records for guys like Brady and Moss. So let's look at the
> prospective playoff teams:
>
> AFC
> 1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
> they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
> hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
> two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
> half with a 21 point lead.
>
If Brady and/or Moss is knocked out for the post-season, those "individual
records" will look pretty unimportant.
By the way, Rice caught his 22 TDs in 12 games.
Zoolander
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> <john.vampate...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Belicheck set the individual record for biggest fine in NFL history.
Too bad for him the NFL did not hire Mitchell to look into tapegate.
Dano
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Ah yes. You clowns are just brimming with that holiday spirit now aren't
you?
Pretty damn pathetic. How your proud sports city has fallen. That's all
you have left to root for...an injury to an opponent.
Very sad indeed.
Dano
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>
> <john.va...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I'm not just talking about for the Pats, but of all the playoff-bound
>> teams. Let's assume that NE won't rest players, for three reasons:
>> (1) they don't tend to do that; (2) they have a bye, and won't want to
>> rest them for an extra week; and (3) whether they admit it or not,
>> they want 16-0 really badly. As a bonus 4th reason, I think BB wants
>> individual records for guys like Brady and Moss. So let's look at the
>> prospective playoff teams:
>>
>> AFC
>> 1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
>> they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
>> hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
>> two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
>> half with a 21 point lead.
>>
> The Giants should triple-team Moss all day.
Now THERE'S a plan! Why hasn't anyone else thought of that one?
>
> If Brady and/or Moss is knocked out for the post-season, those "individual
> records" will look pretty unimportant.
> By the way, Rice caught his 22 TDs in 12 games.
>
So you wish the Pats would not bother to play the game? Yes...I'm sure you
would. Then the Gints might have a chance.
Dano
Only if he raises his arms around Tom.
Thermos
Does Strahan still play? I thought he was in the witness protection
program, from the NYG games I've watched this season. That's nice
that they still let him suit up.
Thermos
>
> news:df20c41d-4e27-4b3f...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...> I'm not just talking about for the Pats, but of all the playoff-bound
> > teams. Let's assume that NE won't rest players, for three reasons:
> > (1) they don't tend to do that; (2) they have a bye, and won't want to
> > rest them for an extra week; and (3) whether they admit it or not,
> > they want 16-0 really badly. As a bonus 4th reason, I think BB wants
> > individual records for guys like Brady and Moss. So let's look at the
> > prospective playoff teams:
>
> > AFC
> > 1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
> > they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
> > hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
> > two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
> > half with a 21 point lead.
>
> The Giants should triple-team Moss all day.
>
I suppose, if they don't care whether they win the game or not. That
hasn't worked well as a strategy this season.
> If Brady and/or Moss is knocked out for the post-season, those "individual
> records" will look pretty unimportant.
I don't think the records are a motivating factor for the team, but
they'll give them a chance to hit them if the chance presents
itself. Beyond that, I wouldn't expect them to go out of their way
just for the sake of records.
> By the way, Rice caught his 22 TDs in 12 games.
Still hard to imagine.
Thermos
I'm looking forward to the real story about this whole episode coming
to light. It will be interesting to see how Mangini managed to use
the same methods without any success yet convinced someone that it
merited punishment. Maybe the NFL figured the Jets were already
punished enough by their own incompetence.
Zoolander
> "Zoolander" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You should be proud of your team getting record fines and losing draft
picks. As part of the deal they talked the NFL into burning the tapes.
Another proud moment.
Thermos
You have to be kidding, Jon. We're Yankees fans. Our owner
blackmailed the team's star player.
john.va...@gmail.com
What I'm curious about is this: Mangini admitted that he (and many
other teams) videotape from the end zone, but "with permission".
Well, strictly speaking, two things:
1. The "Game Operations Manual" states that "no video recording
devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth,
on the field, or in the locker room during the game." The manual
states that "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all
sides with a roof overhead." The Patriots were in violation of both
these statutes; the Jets were in violation of the second statute - the
end zone is clearly not a location that is "enclosed on all sides with
a roof overhead." That is an unambiguous violation of league rules on
videotaping, just like the Patriots were.
2. The league decided that the Patriots' violation of specific league
rules merited a $500,000 fine for the coach, a $250,000 fine for the
team, and the loss of a first round draft pick. Apparently, the Jets
violation of the EXACT SAME RULE merits........no penalty whatsoever.
Not an investigation, not even a stern talking-to.
Now, Mangini said that they do it with permission. But it is
nevertheless a violation of the taping rule. I can no more give you
"permission" to go 75mph in a school zone. If the Patriots said to
the Jets, please, you can play with 12 men on the field, would the
referees OK that? I don't think so. One team cannot grant the other
team permission to violate league rules.
The facts are crystal clear here, by Mangini's own admission of what
they were doing and by the precise wording of the league rule. So why
haven't the Jets been punished at all?
John
Thermos
The Jets are what you'd call "judgment proof" in civil litigation. It
would be cruel and unusual to punish the franchise.
> Now, Mangini said that they do it with permission. But it is
> nevertheless a violation of the taping rule. I can no more give you
> "permission" to go 75mph in a school zone. If the Patriots said to
> the Jets, please, you can play with 12 men on the field, would the
> referees OK that? I don't think so. One team cannot grant the other
> team permission to violate league rules.
>
The Patriots denied that any "permission" was given. Even if it were,
the Patriots, as you suggest, cannot tell someone else how the rules
are enforced by the league.
> The facts are crystal clear here, by Mangini's own admission of what
> they were doing and by the precise wording of the league rule. So why
> haven't the Jets been punished at all?
>
They haven't been punished because the whole episode was about sending
a message to the league, not about what the Patriots specifically did,
so the actions of the Jets a year ago are irrlevant. Every team did
this. The league sent a memo saying they wanted it stopped. The Pats
were found to still be doing it, so the league made it clear they
meant it. The idea that the size of the penalty was indicative of the
value of the conduct or the "wrongfulness" of the conduct is clealry
wrong. The penalty was intended to enforce the message to all teams.
The Pats were just the scapegoat. As is usually the case, almost all
sportswriters and fans got the story wrong.
Sizzle
How many Giants games have you seen this year? Strahan has been
pretty good, especially for a guy who wasn't in training camp. I
think he's up to 9 sacks this year...not bad for an old guy.
Sizzle
Pats isn't a do-or-die situation. My heart wouldn't have been able to
take that. Now I can just enjoy next Saturday's game and hope that
Big Blue can knock off the undefeated team, and if they don't they're
still going to the postseason. I'm positive Plaxico will get the week
off, and possibly Jacobs, so I'm not too confident in a Giants
victory, but it'll be fun to watch nonetheless. Due to their great
pass rush I think the Giants actually have a shot. The only way the
Pats will go down is if Brady is running for his life the entire
game. Easier said than done considering the Pats O-line, but it's
certainly possible.
Zoolander
I went to high school with Howie Spira. I knew Howie Spira. You are no
Howie Spira!
Thermos
3 or 4. He's far from the best player they have rushing the passer.
If he's getting to the quarterback this season, it is likely because
the opposition is focusing on the better players on the NYG defense.
I'm no football expert, but that's certainly how it appears to me.
He's not washed up, but certainly a far cry from the player he was
when he was one of the top pass rushers in the game.
john.va...@gmail.com
> On Dec 24, 11:07 am, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 2. The league decided that the Patriots' violation of specific league
> > rules merited a $500,000 fine for the coach, a $250,000 fine for the
> > team, and the loss of a first round draft pick. Apparently, the Jets
> > violation of the EXACT SAME RULE merits........no penalty whatsoever.
> > Not an investigation, not even a stern talking-to.
>
> The Jets are what you'd call "judgment proof" in civil litigation. It
> would be cruel and unusual to punish the franchise.
LOL. Tough times to be a Jets fan, for sure.
> > Now, Mangini said that they do it with permission. But it is
> > nevertheless a violation of the taping rule. I can no more give you
> > "permission" to go 75mph in a school zone. If the Patriots said to
> > the Jets, please, you can play with 12 men on the field, would the
> > referees OK that? I don't think so. One team cannot grant the other
> > team permission to violate league rules.
>
> The Patriots denied that any "permission" was given. Even if it were,
> the Patriots, as you suggest, cannot tell someone else how the rules
> are enforced by the league.
Yep.
> > The facts are crystal clear here, by Mangini's own admission of what
> > they were doing and by the precise wording of the league rule. So why
> > haven't the Jets been punished at all?
>
> They haven't been punished because the whole episode was about sending
> a message to the league, not about what the Patriots specifically did,
> so the actions of the Jets a year ago are irrlevant. Every team did
> this. The league sent a memo saying they wanted it stopped. The Pats
> were found to still be doing it, so the league made it clear they
> meant it. The idea that the size of the penalty was indicative of the
> value of the conduct or the "wrongfulness" of the conduct is clealry
> wrong. The penalty was intended to enforce the message to all teams.
> The Pats were just the scapegoat. As is usually the case, almost all
> sportswriters and fans got the story wrong.-
I totally agree with this. Here's what bugs me - it isn't even the
loss of the 1st round pick (and the money...I could care less about
that). It's the idea that somehow the Patriots have been given the
label (by many) of "cheaters". It's abundantly clear from Mangini's
admission that every team tapes (or tries to anyway) the game, etc.
Every team has cameras of their own in the stadium taping who knows
what for whatever reason the team desires. Every single one. The
Patriots just happened to do it from the sidelines instead of behind
the end zone. And for that - the simple location of a camera - they
are called "cheaters" and some (see: Shula, Don) have suggested that
this entire season deserves an asterisk.
It's unbelievable.
John
john.va...@gmail.com
How much playing time does Eli get, in your opinion? I think the
Giants would be wise to give lots of their key guys the week off,
since they have a playoff game the following week.
And, for the record, I don't think the Giants "owe" anybody anything
in terms of trying to fend off the Patriots 16-0 season. They need to
do what's in the best interest of the Giants.
John
Sizzle
> On Dec 24, 11:32 am, Sizzle <sizzlet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm just happy that the G-Men got a win yesterday, so the game vs. the
> > Pats isn't a do-or-die situation. My heart wouldn't have been able to
> > take that. Now I can just enjoy next Saturday's game and hope that
> > Big Blue can knock off the undefeated team, and if they don't they're
> > still going to the postseason. I'm positive Plaxico will get the week
> > off, and possibly Jacobs, so I'm not too confident in a Giants
> > victory, but it'll be fun to watch nonetheless. Due to their great
> > pass rush I think the Giants actually have a shot. The only way the
> > Pats will go down is if Brady is running for his life the entire
> > game. Easier said than done considering the Pats O-line, but it's
> > certainly possible.
>
> How much playing time does Eli get, in your opinion? I think the
> Giants would be wise to give lots of their key guys the week off,
> since they have a playoff game the following week.
I think Eli should play at least the half, and probably the entire
game. In my opinion, the more work the better - especially against a
great team. Eli has also has also proven to be a pretty tough
(physically, at least) QB. I don't think he's missed a start in his
career due to injury, and the chances of him getting injured in the
final week are slim *knock on wood*.
>
> And, for the record, I don't think the Giants "owe" anybody anything
> in terms of trying to fend off the Patriots 16-0 season. They need to
> do what's in the best interest of the Giants.
I agree. Players who are a little banged up need to rest to be as
healthy as possible for the playoffs. Plaxico shouldn't even dress.
He's been limping since week 4-5. Maybe Jacobs plays a little, but I
hope not more than, say, 5 carries. He's battling hammy and ankle
issues, so I don't want to see him get injured (and he seems to be
injury-prone). Plus, after yesterday's performance, I think Ahmed
Bradshaw deserves the carries. Big Blue needs to think about getting
ready for Tampa - next week's game is basically meaningless from a
Giants standpoint.
Dano
<<<You should be proud of your team getting record fines and losing draft
picks. As part of the deal they talked the NFL into burning the tapes.
Another proud moment.>>>
Do YOU even believe the claptrap that spills out of that hideous pie-hole of
yours? LOL. You become more of a joke with each passing day. The only
reason you don't get killfiled by me is the sheer entertainment value of
your idiotic postings. You have become a true parody of a NY fan.
I'm enjoying every minute of this season. You better believe it. Teams
like this do not come along very often. A future HOF QB who may go down as
the greatest to ever play the game. The best damn coach in the history of
the sport...so good that his competitors thinks his assistants will make
them great too...only to learn....maybe this wasn't such a great idea. It's
looking more and more, with each passing season, that Belichick was more of
the key to the Tuna's success, than the other way around. And NOW...to add
Moss to this rolling team...it's almost not fair. Which do you REALLY think
made this team so much better...adding the likes of Moss and Adailius
Thomas...or some geek with a sideline camera (something the Jets themselves
used)? Seriously...without viewing it through your NY blinders?
Yeah. I'm proud of the Patriots. How HAVE they been able to have this
historic effort with the eyes of the world studying their every move and
trying to bring them down...find some dirt...anything? Because they are the
best. Period.
What is it you're proud of these days?
Thermos
It would bother me if it weren't such transparent bullshit. If
anything, I'm amused by how many fans and writers bought the whole line
of shit without any skepticism. It is no wonder I hold both groups in
such high esteem.
Thermos
>
> "Zoolander" <jk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> <<<You should be proud of your team getting record fines and losing draft
> picks. As part of the deal they talked the NFL into burning the tapes.
> Another proud moment.>>>
>
> Do YOU even believe the claptrap that spills out of that hideous
> pie-hole of yours?
Hideous Piehole was a great band.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
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John
**************
Good, take their pick too.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
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On Dec 23, 11:53 pm, "Erasmus \"The Mannequin\" Brown"
<ebrown2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <john.vampate...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:df20c41d-4e27-4b3f...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...>
> I'm not just talking about for the Pats, but of all the playoff-bound
> > teams. Let's assume that NE won't rest players, for three reasons:
> > (1) they don't tend to do that; (2) they have a bye, and won't want to
> > rest them for an extra week; and (3) whether they admit it or not,
> > they want 16-0 really badly. As a bonus 4th reason, I think BB wants
> > individual records for guys like Brady and Moss. So let's look at the
> > prospective playoff teams:
>
> > AFC
> > 1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
> > they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
> > hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
> > two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
> > half with a 21 point lead.
>
> The Giants should triple-team Moss all day.
>
I suppose, if they don't care whether they win the game or not. That
hasn't worked well as a strategy this season.
*****
I remember Jerry Rice's final game w/ SF, when the Bears triple-teamed him
(how lame is that?), anticipating that Garcia would try to throw as many
passes Jerry's way as possible.
Predictably, Garcia couldn't find Rice all day, so Terrell Owens set the
single-game reception record instead. Those Bears showed us, didn't they?
(On the last play of the game, Garcia pretended to kneel, then stood up &
threw one to Rice. Unfortunately Rice didn't get into the end zone, but it
was a cool idea.)
> If Brady and/or Moss is knocked out for the post-season, those "individual
> records" will look pretty unimportant.
I don't think the records are a motivating factor for the team, but
they'll give them a chance to hit them if the chance presents
itself. Beyond that, I wouldn't expect them to go out of their way
just for the sake of records.
> By the way, Rice caught his 22 TDs in 12 games.
Still hard to imagine.
**************
And he had a rushing TD to boot. His 1,848 receiving yards in 1995 was
pretty impressive too. Interestingly, the 49ers won neither in 1987 nor in
1995.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
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Bradshaw is one fast mofo.
Thermos
Well, if the intent was to punish behavior, they can just take
everyone's pick and go straight to the 2nd round.
Thermos
Did you know that Brady's whole family rooted for the 9ers also and had
season tickets until they passed on him in the draft?
Dano
No shit? Did you know they're from San Mateo, CA...a suburb of San
Francisco?
For the record, Tom Brady's favorite QB was Montana. Not exactly
surprising...
Thermos
I guess you're suggesting that's widely known. I've followed the Pats
since 1991 and didn't know that, so I thought it possible that EB, a big
9'ers fan, wouldn't know either. I didn't realize that was such an
absurd proposition.
Zoolander
Dano
> http://i-hate-the-new-england-patriots.blogspot.com/
Yaawwnnn........
Dano
> Dano wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Did you know that Brady's whole family rooted for the 9ers also and had
>>> season tickets until they passed on him in the draft?
>>
>> No shit? Did you know they're from San Mateo, CA...a suburb of San
>> Francisco?
>>
>> For the record, Tom Brady's favorite QB was Montana. Not exactly
>> surprising...
>
> I guess you're suggesting that's widely known. I've followed the Pats
> since 1991 and didn't know that, so I thought it possible that EB, a big
> 9'ers fan, wouldn't know either. I didn't realize that was such an absurd
> proposition.
Well excuse me if that sounded harsh...but it simply makes sense that most
players and their families come from somewhere other than the town in which
they end up playing for much or most of their careers. A simple Google
search would tell you where someone hailed from. Derek Jeter's full name is
Derek Sanderson Jeter...named for the famous (infamous if you weren't a
Boston Bruins fan) Bruin's center, because his mom loved Sanderson. Curt
Schilling's favorite football team is the Steelers because he grew up in
Pittsburgh. You might be delighted to know that Brady has long been
suspected (if not accused) of being a Yankee fan (the horror!) after being
spotted wearing a cap with that despised logo on multiple occasions...as has
Richard Seymour. I've also seen Seymour sporting a Brave's cap.
BadgerBC
>I've followed the Pats
> since 1991 and didn't know that, so I thought it possible that EB, a big
> 9'ers fan, wouldn't know either. I didn't realize that was such an
> absurd proposition.
Uggh. You're a glutton for punishment. ; ) You picked a pretty bad
year to start following the team. I had a season ticket in 1992 when
I used to live in Arlington. Those miserable metal seats were bad
enough, but the unpaved parking lot was the worst in late October/
early November games (after rain). I still haven't seen a game in the
new stadium but my friends rave about it as possibly the best in the
league. I still admire Coach Mac and Jon Vaughn (who was a really
nice kid) from those days.
BadgerBC
> "Thermos" <cfb...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> news:KWbcj.6958$yC6.67@trndny05...
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>
>
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> > Dano wrote:
>
> >>> Did you know that Brady's whole family rooted for the 9ers also and had
> >>> season tickets until they passed on him in the draft?
>
> >> No shit? Did you know they're from San Mateo, CA...a suburb of San
> >> Francisco?
>
> >> For the record, Tom Brady's favorite QB was Montana. Not exactly
> >> surprising...
>
> > I guess you're suggesting that's widely known. I've followed the Pats
> > since 1991 and didn't know that, so I thought it possible that EB, a big
> > 9'ers fan, wouldn't know either. I didn't realize that was such an absurd
> > proposition.
>
> Well excuse me if that sounded harsh...but it simply makes sense that most
> players and their families come from somewhere other than the town in which
> they end up playing for much or most of their careers. A simple Google
> search would tell you where someone hailed from. Derek Jeter's full name is
> Derek Sanderson Jeter...named for the famous (infamous if you weren't a
> Boston Bruins fan) Bruin's center, because his mom loved Sanderson.
That's incorrect. Dotty Jeter couldn't tell Sanderson apart from Gord
Kluzak even if her life depended on it. It's his father's first name
as he pointed out in his autobiography. (Dr. Sanderson Charles
Jeter) There is a lot of noise on this point (including Wiki as
usual) but it's wrong
BadgerBC
Hehehe. Did Spira really attend Bronx Sci?
Thermos
Yes, sounded a bit harsh. I never had any idea where Tom Brady was
from, apart from his going to college at Michigan. Maybe I lead a
sheltered life.
Thermos
Indeed, I did, but I became a professional football fan just a few years
prior and then moved here. I just read Charlie Pierce's book on Brady,
which was pretty good for a sports book, and there was some very funny
stuff in there about the early days of the franchise.
Thermos
So, as he said, his mom loved Sanderson. Just a different Sanderson.
Thermos
Thank goodness for that!
BadgerBC
Yeah. I don't think Dr. Jeter likes the name though. He usually goes
by S. Charles Jeter.
Dano
"BadgerBC" <neilricha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well I stand corrected...after poking around it appears you are right. I've
heard this SO many times, and repeated by a lot of folks who ought to know
better.
BadgerBC
> "BadgerBC" <neilrichardson3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Well I stand corrected...after poking around it appears you are right. I've
> heard this SO many times, and repeated by a lot of folks who ought to know
> better.
I'm not sure when it started, but IIRC it is still part of Wiki
entries for Jeter, Sanderson and IMDB entry for Jeter as well.
Dano
Couldn't say specifically where, but I know I've heard this repeated a
number of times by various media types...just goes to show you...oh
well...there are worse *urban legends* around.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
Rattay instead. That year they had to trade out of the #3 pick because they
were in such bad cap shape.
It wasn't a *bad* draft. They got Julian Peterson, Ahmed Plummer, John
Engleberger, Jason Webster, Jeff Ulbrich, and Brian Jennings (long-snapper).
As for Paul Smith, John Milem, and John Keith, I've never heard of them.
5)
Brady's pick in the 6th round was a compensatory selection.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
Brady's paying Joe a big tribute by playing exactly like him. Well, except
for that one INT in the SB vs. Carolina. :) Seriously, he minds me a hell of
a lot of Montana, and I watched Joe practically his entire 49ers career.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
Jeter's grandfather was named after a hockey player?
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
Judging by their performance this year I don't think that the 49ers have
been breaking any rules re: video recording.
Dano
"Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown" <ebrow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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thanks anyway for pointing that out again.
Dano
Certainly didn't help the Jets...and we KNOW for a fact that they did the
same...since Eric the Rat admitted to it.
Thermos
Maybe they are using the same film analysis techniques as Mangini.
Zoolander
> "Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown" <ebrown2...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4771dc3a$0$13909$607e...@cv.net...
No fines, lost draft picks or destroyed evidence for the Jets.
Dano
That's the point dipshit. The REAL fix was in. Where ARE those league
offices located?
Sort of kidding (of course...before you start foaming around the corners of
your mouth), but some of you clowns insist on making this into a much bigger
deal than it SHOULD have been...the Patriots biggest mistake was NOT
fighting this bullshit vehemently. I think that was because Kraft felt the
right thing was to take the hit (they can afford to) for the sake of the
league. This was a foolish over-reaction on the part of the new
commissioner, to being tweaked by Belichick. The team, at the direction of
the owner, probably felt it more important for the league to function under
this jackass at the helm, than to drag out a fight that could prove
immensely embarrassing to a lot of people.
Or...I could be wrong and it's simply a big league wide conspiracy due to
the hatred and jealousy the rest of the league has towards a team and coach
who may just go down as the greatest in the history of the NFL. I have
however heard that Robert Kraft himself is very popular and powerful in the
league...at least with his fellow owners...in large part based on respect
for his business acumen.
Zoolander
> <<<No fines, lost draft picks or destroyed evidence for the Jets.>>>
>
> That's the point dipshit. The REAL fix was in. Where ARE those league
> offices located?
> Or...I could be wrong and it's simply a big league wide conspiracy due
> to the hatred and jealousy the rest of the league has towards a team and
> coach who may just go down as the greatest in the history of the NFL.
I agree. If you exclude the fines for cheating, confiscated draft pick,
drug suspension of one of his players and adultery, he might be the
greatest coach of all time.
Dano
"Zoolander" <jk...@zoolander.com> wrote in message
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Yup...still braindead. Just checkin'...
Zoolander
>
>>> That's the point dipshit.
>
> Yup...still braindead.
Welcome to the killfile.
DONE!!!
Thermos
If you include them, he still is.
Dano
Hahaha! Good. I'm gonna miss you monkeyboy. You're such a source of
amusement.
Thermos
That's not fair. Jon is a monkey man, not a monkey boy. Have some respect.
Dano
"Thermos" <The...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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I'd say I was sorry...but what's the point...he'll never see it now.
Thermos
Gracious of you, Dan! Jon hasn't plonked me yet, so he will now see
your humble apology. Please refer to him as monkey man in the future.
Aaaaah, the Christmas F'ing Spirit!!!
Dano
Zoolander
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-top40sportsfigures122607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
The top 40 sports figures of 2007
By Jamie Mottram, Yahoo! Sports
December 26, 2007
12. Bill Belichick
"Turning 'cheaters never prosper' on its head one classless victory at a
time." – Chris' Sports Blog
Dano
What a pity...beaten out by:
2. Alex Rodriguez (second only to Mike Vick)
"When the best player in the game gets busted with a mystery blonde, his
wife shows up to Yankee Stadium with a shirt that says "(Screw) You" and
then lands a $275 million deal after opting out DURING THE WORLD SERIES, he
has to make this list." – Extra Mustard
Bill in Schenectady
"Sizzle" <sizzl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 24, 7:51 am, Thermos <cfb...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 11:43 pm, Zoolander <j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 23, 8:50 pm, john.vampate...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > AFC
> > > 1. New England. #1 seed all locked up, shooting for 16-0. I think
> > > they play everyone and only rest players once (a) the game is well in
> > > hand, and (b) they have achieved individual records. Get Brady his
> > > two TD passes to Moss in the first half, then rest them in the 2nd
> > > half with a 21 point lead.
>
>
> Does Strahan still play? I thought he was in the witness protection
> program, from the NYG games I've watched this season. That's nice
> that they still let him suit up.
How many Giants games have you seen this year? Strahan has been
pretty good, especially for a guy who wasn't in training camp. I
think he's up to 9 sacks this year...not bad for an old guy.
Not to mention that while the double team Strahan, others come in to get the
sacks.
Erasmus "The Mannequin" Brown
You think so? Better than Walsh, Lombardi, Noll, Landry, and Shula?
Pepe Papon
wrote:
>I totally agree with this. Here's what bugs me - it isn't even the
>loss of the 1st round pick (and the money...I could care less about
>that). It's the idea that somehow the Patriots have been given the
>label (by many) of "cheaters". It's abundantly clear from Mangini's
>admission that every team tapes (or tries to anyway) the game, etc.
Sorta like what happened in baseball with the Mitchell Report.
BadgerBC
<ebrown2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Thermos" <Ther...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>
> >> I agree. If you exclude the fines for cheating, confiscated draft pick,
> >> drug suspension of one of his players and adultery, he might be the
> >> greatest coach of all time.
>
> > If you include them, he still is.
>
> You think so? Better than Walsh, Lombardi, Noll, Landry, and Shula?
The book is still open on Belichick (and he's in his prime) so we may
have to come back to this question ten years from now. Right now he
hails behind all the coaches you mentioned. And Lombardi still leads
the pack IMHO (5 championships).
Thermos
> >>news:rGwcj.7006$yC6.3414@trndny05...
> >>> Dano wrote:
>
> >>>> "Zoolander" <j...@zoolander.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:fku09m$72l$1...@reader2.panix.com...
> >>>>> Dano wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> That's the point dipshit.
>
> >>>>>> Yup...still braindead.
>
> >>>>> Welcome to the killfile.
>
> >>>>> DONE!!!
>
> >>>> Hahaha! Good. I'm gonna miss you monkeyboy. You're such a source
> >>>> of amusement.
>
> >>> That's not fair. Jon is a monkey man, not a monkey boy. Have some
> >>> respect.
>
> >> I'd say I was sorry...but what's the point...he'll never see it now.
>
> > Gracious of you, Dan! Jon hasn't plonked me yet, so he will now see
> > your humble apology. Please refer to him as monkey man in the future.
> > Aaaaah, the Christmas F'ing Spirit!!!
>
>
> The top 40 sports figures of 2007
>
> By Jamie Mottram, Yahoo! Sports
> December 26, 2007
>
> 12. Bill Belichick
>
> "Turning 'cheaters never prosper' on its head one classless victory at a
Imagine his disappointment at losing the approval of such hallowed
experts as "Chris's Sports Blog"!
Thermos
> "Zoolander" <j...@zoolander.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > Thermos wrote:
> >> Dano wrote:
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> >>>news:rGwcj.7006$yC6.3414@trndny05...
> >>>> Dano wrote:
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> >>>>> "Zoolander" <j...@zoolander.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:fku09m$72l$1...@reader2.panix.com...
> >>>>>> Dano wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> That's the point dipshit.
>
> >>>>>>> Yup...still braindead.
>
> >>>>>> Welcome to the killfile.
>
> >>>>>> DONE!!!
>
> >>>>> Hahaha! Good. I'm gonna miss you monkeyboy. You're such a source of
> >>>>> amusement.
>
> >>>> That's not fair. Jon is a monkey man, not a monkey boy. Have some
> >>>> respect.
>
> >>> I'd say I was sorry...but what's the point...he'll never see it now.
>
> >> Gracious of you, Dan! Jon hasn't plonked me yet, so he will now see your
> >> humble apology. Please refer to him as monkey man in the future. Aaaaah,
> >> the Christmas F'ing Spirit!!!
>
>
> > The top 40 sports figures of 2007
>
> > By Jamie Mottram, Yahoo! Sports
> > December 26, 2007
>
> > 12. Bill Belichick
>
> > "Turning 'cheaters never prosper' on its head one classless victory at a
>
> What a pity...beaten out by:
>
> 2. Alex Rodriguez (second only to Mike Vick)
>
> "When the best player in the game gets busted with a mystery blonde, his
> wife shows up to Yankee Stadium with a shirt that says "(Screw) You" and
> then lands a $275 million deal after opting out DURING THE WORLD SERIES, he
THE "Extra Mustard"?!?
Thermos
<ebrown2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Thermos" <Ther...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > Zoolander wrote:
> >> Dano wrote:
>
>
> >>> <<<No fines, lost draft picks or destroyed evidence for the Jets.>>>
>
> >>> That's the point dipshit. The REAL fix was in. Where ARE those league
> >>> offices located?
>
> >>> Or...I could be wrong and it's simply a big league wide conspiracy due
> >>> to the hatred and jealousy the rest of the league has towards a team and
> >>> coach who may just go down as the greatest in the history of the NFL.
>
> >> I agree. If you exclude the fines for cheating, confiscated draft pick,
> >> drug suspension of one of his players and adultery, he might be the
> >> greatest coach of all time.
>
> > If you include them, he still is.
>
I meant to say "might be", as Jon did in his post, meaning that the
things he cited are entirely irrelevant to whether or not he's in that
discussion. I think comparing coaches across eras is even harder than
comparing players, but I certainly don't think the fine the NFL issued
has any bearing whatsoever on his status among the best coaches in the
history of the sport.
Zoolander
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/28/gal_back_12_28.jpg
john.va...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:22:06 -0800 (PST), john.vampate...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >I totally agree with this. Here's what bugs me - it isn't even the
> >loss of the 1st round pick (and the money...I could care less about
> >that). It's the idea that somehow the Patriots have been given the
> >label (by many) of "cheaters". It's abundantly clear from Mangini's
> >admission that every team tapes (or tries to anyway) the game, etc.
>
> Sorta like what happened in baseball with the Mitchell Report.
I agree - that was the big finding in the Mitchell Report - not the
number of Yankees or ex-Yankees.
John
Thermos
Zoolander
> "Zoolander" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
> Yaawwnnn........
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/28/gal_back_12_28.jpg
Zoolander
>>> Imagine his disappointment at losing the approval of such hallowed
>>> experts as "Chris's Sports Blog"!-
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/28/gal_back_12_28.jpg-
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2007/11/26/2007-11-26_eli_manning_throws_4_interceptions_3_ret-1.html?page=0
No loss for NY if NE knocks Eli out.