Mike Jacobs was release
Ruben
If the Mets need some thunder off the bech and a platoon for Murph (not to
mention a 3 back up catcher), the Royals released Jacobs.
Ruben
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Thunder off the "bech" Huh?
If you need some help writing, use your spell checker, or ask a webtv
user for some help.
Ruben
> Should have said, Mike Jacobs was released.
see the Subject .... dick
Jim
The name's Jim, not dick, asshole. Or, should I say you take it in the
asshole, asshole. ha ha ha.
Ruben
>
> The name's Jim, not dick, asshole. Or, should I say you take it in the
> asshole, asshole. ha ha ha.
..........
Jim
can understand.
Was anybody else release today?
Wait a minute. I get it now. Rueban say release instead of released
because he saves time by leaving out letters.
Maybe it's ghetto ebonics or ghetto pig latin.
Ruben
> Was anybody else released today?
Yeah - you were. But the women battering program isn't helping you
Jim
woods?
Another what the fuck does he mean comment by the village idiot.
My friends call me Jimbo. Your not my friend. I'd rather have you calll
me motherfucker.
I'd call you motherfucker, but queers don't fuck women.
Ha ha ha.
Jimmy
to mention a 3 back up catcher), the Royals released Jacobs."
Great idea, let's platoon two leftys at first.
jonathan
> If the Mets need some thunder off the bech and a platoon for Murph (not to
> mention a 3 back up catcher), the Royals released Jacobs.
>
> Ruben
>
Your obsession for Jacobs aside . . .
1. Jacobs has never caught an inning at the major league level,
primarily because he was SO BAD in the minors that nobody would even
attempt him there, even in an emergency situation.
2. I don't know if you've noticed this, but Jacobs can't hit. His
career OBP against RHP is .325. Let's not even talk about LHP. How
many players can the Mets possibly cram into this lineup who can't get
on base? They already have Francoeur, the Molina/Santos/Blanco/Coste
out machine, whatever happens in LF (my money's on Angel Pagan), and
now 1B. You're going to end up with 5 lineups spots (including the
pitcher) that can't get on base at all. Assuming Reyes/Beltran/Wright/
Castillo play all 162 games next year, the Mets may score 600 runs.
The saddest part is Castillo is actually good news in this lineup at
this point.
3. Jacobs makes Delgado look like a defensive whiz. He certainly
makes Murphy look like a defensive whiz. For someone who pines for
the days of Keith Hernandez, you couldn't find a more opposite player
then Jacobs both offensively and defensively. Maybe you're pining for
Dave Kingman instead and haven't realized it?
4. Jacobs and Murphy both hit LH. How does that work in a platoon?
Jim
At least he thinks so. ha ha ha.
Ruben Safir
1st baseman are LH. It works using Jacobs to hit RH pitchers and Murph
hitting the Left handed pitchers plus an occasional RH as the numbers
dictate. By platooning your hopefully covering up the weak points of
players using a judicious platoon. Unlike Francour, Jacobs actually has
actually power averaging a long ball every 19.3HR per at bat. His use as
a catcher would be emergency only, and he could do that for a few
innings, and would eliminate the need for that 3rd empty roster spot on
the 40 man and on the bench. Most importantly, I see perhaps his best
roll as a PH with thunder off the bench, and since he was released, he
would cost nothing.
FWIW - he averages 3.83 pitches per PA, which isn't that bad, and his
liefetime OPS+ versus RH pitchers is 110 and he's in his prime. Where
Jacobs gets really here is when he's behind in the count. Look at his
numbers when he is ahead in the count, and compare them to other
players. But he is useless even after an 0-1 count.
Ruben
black...@aol.com
The Royals of all teams released Jacobs. Even the Royals don't find
Jacobs useful.
Ruben Safir
> The Royals of all teams released Jacobs. Even the Royals don't find
> Jacobs useful.
Did you notice the Royals logjam of 1st base prospects .... nah - dead
people can't read
jonathan
> 1st baseman are LH. It works using Jacobs to hit RH pitchers and Murph
The advantage to a LH first baseman has to do with throwing the ball
across the diamond. Both Murphy and Jacobs throw RH. Again, both hit
LH so as a platoon it doesn't make much sense.
> hitting the Left handed pitchers plus an occasional RH as the numbers
But neither guy can actually hit LH pitching. Murphy is bad, and
Jacobs is atrocious.
> dictate. By platooning your hopefully covering up the weak points of
> players using a judicious platoon. Unlike Francour, Jacobs actually has
But again, neither guy can hit LH pitching, so you still only have one
half of a platoon.
> actually power averaging a long ball every 19.3HR per at bat. His use as
Well that's nice, but unfortunately he can't make contact or get on
base. Also, his career SLG is .476, and consider he's 29, which means
that he's at the tail end of his theoretical 'prime'. The more I look
at it, the more Kingman-esque this becomes. Jacobs is .254/.313/.476
career and Kingman was .236/.302/.478. Kingman gets about a 10% edge
in OPS+ because he played in a more pitching-dominated era, but the
case could be made these are very similar players.
If the Mets were the Boston Red Sox and had a lineup full of guys who
get on base, then that's one thing. But there are already too many
guys in this lineup who can't get on base for another out machine on
the roster.
> a catcher would be emergency only, and he could do that for a few
> innings, and would eliminate the need for that 3rd empty roster spot on
> the 40 man and on the bench. Most importantly, I see perhaps his best
> roll as a PH with thunder off the bench, and since he was released, he
> would cost nothing.
I'd rather take a chance on a player with some upside.
>
> FWIW - he averages 3.83 pitches per PA, which isn't that bad, and his
> liefetime OPS+ versus RH pitchers is 110 and he's in his prime. Where
> Jacobs gets really here is when he's behind in the count. Look at his
Half the guys in baseball can't hit behind in the count. That's why
strike one is so important. I doubt he's suddenly going to figure it
out at 29. I realize you're still pissed because they traded him for
Delgado in the first place. You had Jacobs pegged for superstardom
and you still think he can be. I think he's a freeswinging DH for a
bad team. If the Royals don't even want to pay him, what should that
tell you? The Royals will pay Willie Bloomquist, but they don't think
Jacobs has value.
Stewart
>
>
> If the Mets need some thunder off the bech and a platoon for Murph (not to
> mention a 3 back up catcher), the Royals released Jacobs.
>
> Ruben
>
The guy has more holes in his swing than the Carter has liver pills.
Stewart
They can make outs and not move up runners due to lack of contact on
different days.
Ruben Safir
> The advantage to a LH first baseman has to do with throwing the ball
> across the diamond. Both Murphy and Jacobs throw RH. Again, both hit
> LH so as a platoon it doesn't make much sense.
Jacobs is a right handed 1st baseman? I didn't know that. The advantage
of a left handed first baseman has to do with having the glove side on
the diamond, not throwing. But other than that, you make a good point.
Ruben
Ruben Safir
> You had Jacobs pegged for superstardom
> and you still think he can be. I think he's a freeswinging DH for a bad
> team. If the Royals don't even want to pay him, what should that tell
> you? The Royals will pay Willie Bloomquist, but they don't think Jacobs
> has value.
As for the Kingman analogy, Kingman had some damn good years in Chicago.
It was on the Mets, especially the second time around, that he went down
the tubes. A guy like Jacobs generally continue to produce late into
their prime, and I wouldn't be surprised for a minute to see him put up a
125 OPS for a couple of seasons, if he is happy, handled correctly
(Platooned) and motivated to cut down on his swing.
ORRR - he might be another Preston Wilson..which I think is a better
analogy. Its not that he hits worse behind in the count, even Piazza was
like a 20 OPS+ with an 0-2 count. He doesn't hit at ALL behind in the
count and he gets behind in the count often. The pitchers widen the
strike zone and he goes fishing. This is partly a lack of confidence, I
believe (please don't ask me how I know that, or if I've had a analytical
session with him :) ). It just seems some sluggers hit a confident
stride in their late twenties and early thirties.
But most importantly, he is likely better than what they got, he's cheap
because he's been released and KC is paying him, and he is short term.
As for KC releasing him, that has more to do with their budget and
prospects that Jacobs...although he had a lousy season.
Ruben
Ruben Safir
OR Gary Carter. He had to have more holes in his swing than anyone ever.
Ruben
Jim
The Gary Carter that played on the Mets was one of the best clutch
hitters I've seen.
Must be another Gary Carter your talking about.
Jimmy
jonathan
The glove is actually secondary to the ability to throw back across
the diamond without turning your body. The LH first baseman can
almost eliminate the bunt as an offensive weapon. It also makes the
3-6-3 DP a far easier play.
In addition it makes covering first on a pickoff play much quicker and
easier to get into a fielding position. Of course, that is the glove,
as you mention.
jonathan
> It was on the Mets, especially the second time around, that he went down
> the tubes. A guy like Jacobs generally continue to produce late into
> their prime, and I wouldn't be surprised for a minute to see him put up a
> 125 OPS for a couple of seasons, if he is happy, handled correctly
> (Platooned) and motivated to cut down on his swing.
Do you know that he is unhappy playing in Kansas City? Have you had a
heart-to-heart with Mike Jacobs recently? Believe me, I've had the
opportunity to sit down with Trey Hillman and have a conversation, and
from what I can tell of Jerry Manuel, I'd be much happier playing for
Hillman then Manuel. Kansas City seems to be a nice place with a
beautiful stadium. I'm not saying playing there is better then
playing in NY, but when you consider the Mets aren't exactly the model
organization in baseball, I don't see why Jacobs is so unhappy.
I think you underestimate how difficult a swing change is. I recently
saw this guy speak:
http://www.hitrunscore.com/ernie-rosseau-biography.html
Getting a major league hitter to 'cut down his swing' is really
difficult. This is how we condition hitters to think. I'm not saying
it's right, and there's a movement to go back to the idea of hitting
linedrives, but Jacobs is a prototype for the kind of hitter we've
been producing in this country that values hitting the longball over
actually hitting the ball. I will bet you Jacobs never sniffs a 125
OPS+. He's never done it in a platoon split.
>
> ORRR - he might be another Preston Wilson..which I think is a better
> analogy. Its not that he hits worse behind in the count, even Piazza was
> like a 20 OPS+ with an 0-2 count. He doesn't hit at ALL behind in the
> count and he gets behind in the count often. The pitchers widen the
Again, that's something that's very hard to fix in a 29 year old major
league hitter.
Stewart
Yes, just enough holes for the HOF.
Ruben Safir
> The glove is actually secondary to the ability to throw back across the
> diamond without turning your body. The LH first baseman can almost
> eliminate the bunt as an offensive weapon. It also makes the 3-6-3 DP a
> far easier play.
No way. Either way you throw you have to pivot and throw, and you always
throw across your body, or over hand if your stupid. And on the bunt you
have to turn around for the 3-6-3 double play. The critical difference
is that you don't have to literally spin around backwards to play a
grounder in the hole...you just reach or lurch..to your right on a
scorcher up the middle. BTW - this gives me some thoughts about catching
with a glove in general and human ability. Its weird how we can adapt to
catching with the wrong hand, but he have to throw with the dominant hand.
We seemed to be programmed be evolution to catch with our non-dominant
hand, although as is common with lefthanders I also catch like a right
hander, catching with my dominant hand and throwing woth my weak hand.
Ruben
Ruben
Ruben Safir
> Do you know that he is unhappy playing in Kansas City? Have you had a
> heart-to-heart with Mike Jacobs recently?
Yes I did and he said KC sucks...No Beer. No Women...no Baseball Fans.
Ruben
Ruben Safir
> OR Gary Carter. He had to have more holes in his swing than anyone
> ever.
>>
>> Ruben
>
> Yes, just enough holes for the HOF.
Not when he was with the Mets. He sucked. He put his arms way out over
the plate. standing erect like a statue, in the worse hitting position
I'd ever seen, forcing the longest back swing I'd ever witnessed, and
never made any adjustments, just begging the pitching to throw heat
inside. He was the complete opposite of John Orelrud and Rusty Staub who
were in complete hitting position as soon as the got into the batters
box, arms cocked in a very powerful but economical swing.
BTW - I would not have voted for Cater to be in the HoF.
Ruben
Ruben
jonathan
Olerud had the single slowest clocked bat speed nearly every season of
any player on the Blue Jays roster while he was there. Mark Grace
also had a very slow bat. It's amazing what a short swing can do to a
slow bat.
Ruben Safir
> Olerud had the single slowest clocked bat speed nearly every season of
> any player on the Blue Jays roster while he was there. Mark Grace also
> had a very slow bat. It's amazing what a short swing can do to a slow
> bat.
Don't know where you read that but that didn't prevent him from
slugging .465 lifetime and hitting 255 lifetime HR's. And Toronto had a
big park when he hit 54 doubles and 24 HRs.
One of things I immediately noticed which I saw Carlos Beltran and
Keyspan Park on his rehab is that there is a world of difference between
Beltran's bat speed and the rest of the Class A ballplayers. Beltran has
monumental bat speed.
Ruben
Ruben Safir
One of things I immediately noticed when I saw Carlos Beltran at
jonathan
A friend of mine who used to pitch in the Rangers organization was
telling me about it. Basically we were talking about how bat speed is
overrated against a short swing.
Olerud was really good. That was my point. A lot of people think bat
speed tells the whole story but it really doesn't.
Stewart
He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
(considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years
behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
Stewart
>>
>> 1st baseman are LH. It works using Jacobs to hit RH pitchers and Murph
>
> The advantage to a LH first baseman has to do with throwing the ball
> across the diamond. Both Murphy and Jacobs throw RH. Again, both hit
> LH so as a platoon it doesn't make much sense.
Yeah, but if you don't catch it first, you can't throw it.
Ruben Safir
> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years
> behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that.
>
>
> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
away, and never adjusting.
Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!
Yah!
Ruben
Ruben Safir
> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years
> behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that.
>
>
> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
Stewart
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>
>
>> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
>> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years
>> behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that.
>>
>>
>> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
>
> Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
> sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
IMO, while getting on base is needed, his job was turning opportunities
(men on base)into runs. For this, he had 2 good years and 1 so-so year.
> Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
> away, and never adjusting.
>
> Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!
Yeah, that is a decent site.
>
> Yah!
>
> Ruben
Ruben Safir
> On 12/16/2009 7:21 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>>
>>
>>> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
>>> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14
>>> years behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
>>
>> Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
>> sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
>
> IMO, while getting on base is needed, his job was turning opportunities
> (men on base)into runs. For this, he had 2 good years and 1 so-so year.
>
No - I was there. He sucked at this and thruth is, RBI's tell you
nothing about a player. In 1986 Dystra, Backman, and Hernadez put so
many runs on base infront of Carter that that Rey Ordonez would have
gotten 100 RBI's. He truly SUCKED, especially from June '86 onward.
>
>> Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
>> away, and never adjusting.
>>
>> Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!
>
> Yeah, that is a decent site.
>
I was joking with you and being cynical. Did you really think that I was
unaware of that website? I have emails going back about 6 years between
me and the development staff on errors in their database of code.
Everyone remotely involved with usenet and baseball is acutely aware of
baseball-reference.
Here is another good website you should look up one day
http://www.google.com
I'll tell you, they are really going to become something one day. There
going to make Yahoo look like baby players since Yahoo is now focusing on
making themselves a portal instead of a search engine.
Ruben
Stewart
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:20:52 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2009 7:21 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
>>>> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14
>>>> years behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
>>>
>>> Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
>>> sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
>>
>> IMO, while getting on base is needed, his job was turning opportunities
>> (men on base)into runs. For this, he had 2 good years and 1 so-so year.
>>
>
> No - I was there. He sucked at this and thruth is, RBI's tell you
> nothing about a player.
If you know the percent of opportunities that were successful, it would
be more meaningful. If player A has 80 RBI and converted 20% of his
opportunities and player B has 120 RBI but only converted 12% of his
opportunities, player A was more successful. Not sure if this stat is
actually tracked (BA with RISP is close, but it may not be 100% reliable).
> In 1986 Dystra, Backman, and Hernadez put so
> many runs on base infront of Carter that that Rey Ordonez would have
> gotten 100 RBI's. He truly SUCKED, especially from June '86 onward.
Again, opportunities converted.
>
>>
>>> Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
>>> away, and never adjusting.
>>>
>>> Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!
>>
>> Yeah, that is a decent site.
>>
>
>
> I was joking with you and being cynical. Did you really think that I was
> unaware of that website?
> I have emails going back about 6 years between
> me and the development staff on errors in their database of code.
> Everyone remotely involved with usenet and baseball is acutely aware of
> baseball-reference.
And how am I supposed to know that you knew of it? Read your mind?
Maybe do a Google search to review you past 6 years of postings?
>
>
> Here is another good website you should look up one day
> http://www.google.com
>
I already know of that site. Do you really think I was unaware of it,
considering my email is from google.com, and I have at least 8 years of
emails from that address? Anyone involved in usenet and the web is
acutely aware of Google.
> I'll tell you, they are really going to become something one day. There
> going to make Yahoo look like baby players since Yahoo is now focusing on
> making themselves a portal instead of a search engine.
One day? Currently would be the proper description.
>
> Ruben
Uncle Abogado�
spewed: :
>>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:43:57 -0500, Jim wrote:
>>> Should have said, Mike Jacobs was released.
>>see the Subject .... dick
>We looked up that subject in wikipedia.
No luck on Craig's List, eh?
>It has your picture
>prominently displayed alongside Abogado's.
So by your own admission, you spent your Saturday night trolling
around the web looking for pictures of dicks. NTTAWWT, but I'm sure
that revelation comes as a surprise to absolutely no one.
-- Uncle A�
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