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all that will happen. Prove me wrong, Wilpons.
Element
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> The Mets will be kicking the tires on the top FA's, as usual. And that is
> all that will happen. Prove me wrong, Wilpons.
>
I agree. They do it all the time. There's always an excuse. Bad back, bad
knees, too long a contract, too many questions.
It's the same old story. Until Fred unloads the team, we're in for more
years of being the team to beat.
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Ruben
> The Mets will be kicking the tires on the top FA's, as usual. And that is
> all that will happen. Prove me wrong, Wilpons.
Good because they need the draft picks.
Ruben
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"Element" <no...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Some people might want to save the draft picks. That would be O.K. for an
organization that can draft properly. This organization can't.
Ruben
>
> Some people might want to save the draft picks. That would be O.K. for an
> organization that can draft properly. This organization can't.
An organization that cant' draft and develop talent can't win.
tmp
Up to and including this past season, they really can't be criticized
for not spending. The primary reason the Mets were contenders for 3
years (2006 - 2008) is that they threw big money at enough good players
(Beltran, Santana, Delgado, Wagner), and were lucky enough to have
Wright and Reyes in the organization from the previous regime.
I'd prefer that they build by draft picks and improving their minor
league operations. I can wait, as long as there's some hope that they're
trying to do it the right way.
But Madoff or not, I don't see how that's going to happen with Omar's
job on the line. I think they have no choice but to spend. The question
is will they spend wisely enough to help the team (i.e no more Oliver
Perez type signings).
It's hard to be optimistic about that right now....
JK Coney
> all that will happen. Prove me wrong, Wilpons.
>
Because I hate the yanke$$ for spending all that money and buying their
team, I can't wish the Mets to do the same. $130m should be enough money to
field a really good team. Better management would be a good start.
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"JK Coney" <jkc...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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The Yanks are doing nothing wrong, by spending the money. There's no rule
against going over the luxury tax. And they spent it wisely, last year
(except for Burnett).
Wretch
> Because I hate the yanke$$ for spending all that money and buying their
> team, I can't wish the Mets to do the same. $130m should be enough money to
> field a really good team. Better management would be a good start.
The Muts already do that, you dunce. Highest payroll in the NL and
they still suck.
W
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Give them another $450 million to spend and the number of Alex
Rodiriguez's pharmacist, then dare to dream.
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year, unless that player was offered arbitration by his old club,
because of their record in 2009. Second, "kicking the tires" on free
agents was more of a Steve Phillips kind of thing. During the Omar
era, every free agent he targets, he's gotten, except for Delgado. The
only reason Delgado signed with Florida is because Tony Bernazard
addressed Delgado in some type of peasant Spanish. In fact the Omar
Mets work very quickly to lock up free agents such as Pedro, Beltran,
Wagner, and K-Rod. Remember Omar calling Pedro every day till he
signed with the Mets? Its getting the Mets interested in a free agent
that's the problem. But once they show interest history says that they
tend to get him signed very quickly.
Ruben
> First, Mets will not lose draft picks for signing free agents this
> year,
Dead people make shitty GMs. Your an idiot
Wretch
wrote:
> Give them another $450 million to spend and the number of Alex
> Rodiriguez's pharmacist, then dare to dream.
Nah. That's not the proper measure. You're just blowing
unsubstantiated smoke outta yer butthole as usual, and in typically
grumpy fashion.
The proper measure of bang-per-buck, which proves the Muts really do
suck in all respects, is:
2009 Mut payroll: $149,373,987 (70 wins)
2009 Yankee payroll: $201,449,189 (103 wins)
2009 Muts, payroll dollars per win = 2.13 million
2009 Yankees, payroll dollars per win = 1.96 million
And this doesn't even correct for the vastly inferior competition the
Muts contend with compared to the Yankees. End of story. You lose.
Kneejerk thinking Mut fans in general lose.
W
Element
>news:b179eb47-873d-464f-b6db->d57a1c...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Even the "lovable" troll can be a moron. First off, the Mets payroll was
$135,773,988
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries
Also, since you're so quick to "correct" for the "vastly inferior
competition", your medication must have prevented you from "correcting" for
the nearly 65% of the 2009 Mets Payroll paid to players who were on the DL.
It's best to leave the Mets trashing to the Mets fans. We have enough to
bitch about.
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Wretch
> >"Wretch" <wret...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:b179eb47-873d-464f-b6db->d57a1ca36__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >On Nov 14, 1:30 pm, Uncle Abogado® <siempredelira...@googlelaw.net>
> >wrote:
> > Give them another $450 million to spend and the number of Alex
> > Rodiriguez's pharmacist, then dare to dream.
>
> >Nah. That's not the proper measure. You're just blowing
> >unsubstantiated smoke outta yer butthole as usual, and in typically
> >grumpy fashion.
>
> >The proper measure of bang-per-buck, which proves the Muts really do
> >suck in all respects, is:
>
> >2009 Mut payroll: $149,373,987 (70 wins)
> >2009 Yankee payroll: $201,449,189 (103 wins)
>
> >2009 Muts, payroll dollars per win = 2.13 million
> >2009 Yankees, payroll dollars per win = 1.96 million
>
> >And this doesn't even correct for the vastly inferior competition the
> >Muts contend with compared to the Yankees. End of story. You lose.
> >Kneejerk thinking Mut fans in general lose.
>
> >W
>
> Even the "lovable" troll can be a moron. First off, the Mets payroll was
> $135,773,988
>
> http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries
Your source is lying:
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2009
W
Element
A source is a source, of course of course...........
You cannot count the $14 Million Dollars for Gary the ex-Yankee Druggie,
because of the fact that the Tigers paid all of it but the league minimum.
Your source includes his whole salary, while the CBS source does not.
It's fruitless to argue, because he was on the DL most of the 2nd half
anyway. And what's the point? The 2009 Mets season was a total waste due to
injuries and owners who don't have the guts to go out and get shit done. No
one is arguing that.
The Mets owners are a total waste, as is their GM. There, does that make you
happy? I'm sure most Mets fans agree! <g>
LGM 2010
Wretch
> It's fruitless to argue, because he was on the DL most of the 2nd half
> anyway. And what's the point? The 2009 Mets season was a total waste due to
> injuries and owners who don't have the guts to go out and get shit done. No
> one is arguing that.
No. The point is the Muts, specifically Mut fans, have no
justification for their endless blubbering about the Yankee payroll,
considering that the Muts outspend every single team in the National
League. Not only are the Muts a little evil empire themselves, the
big bad spenders they are, they don't even spend their money well.
There, I hope that clarifies.
W
Element
Ha!
Until the day when the Mets payroll is equal too or higher than the Yankee$,
Mets fans will always have justification to "blubber" about the Yankee$
payroll. So will fans of every other team in baseball with a lower payroll.
It's only natural.
As far as "Muts" fans, well, I can't speak for them, whoever they are.
LGM 2010
tmp
Ah, but you're the one that's "blubbering".
Mets fans (and others) are simply stating the undeniable fact that the
Yankees buy their championships by outspending all other teams by a wide
margin. No, they are not breaking any rules, but yes, they are buying
the championship.
And like it or not, you will continue to hear this until something
changes - simply because it is the truth.
As for the Mets, they are a just train wreck of an organization right
now, and that's plain for all to see. It also is a completely separate
issue, having nothing to do with the Yankees buying championships.
Any questions?
Wretch
> Mets fans (and others) are simply stating the undeniable fact that the
> Yankees buy their championships by outspending all other teams by a wide
> margin. No, they are not breaking any rules, but yes, they are buying
> the championship.
Cool. That must mean the Muts are buying last place by outspending
everyone else in the NL. Spending the most without fail translates
into a pennant. Oops. Never mind.
W
Uncle Abogado�
wrote:
>On Nov 14, 1:30�pm, Uncle Abogado� <siempredelira...@googlelaw.net>
>wrote:
>> Give them another $450 million to spend and the number of Alex
>> Rodiriguez's �pharmacist, then dare to dream. �
>
>
>Nah. That's not the proper measure.
Nobody said it was proper, numbnuts, just effective. Spending and
cheating is the formula that's brought us the last five tainted Yankee
"championships." Why shouldn't it work for the rest of us?
>You're just blowing unsubstantiated smoke outta yer butthole as usual,
And you're just jerking that pinstiped knee like you always do, living
in that perpetual state of denial.
>and in typically grumpy fashion.
Actually, I've treated you with far more politeness than you deserve,
considering that you're as dishonest as you are obnoxious, as we will
demonstrate once again below.
>The proper measure of bang-per-buck, which proves the Muts really do
>suck in all respects, is:
>
>2009 Mut payroll: $149,373,987 (70 wins)
What's this, Bush math? The Met payroll in 2009 was $139,602,235,
as per http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rjUqkWOQjHQpoNT5rMOd6vQ.
Got a source for your numbers that doesn't smell suspiciously like
your own sphincter? Nah, didn't think so.
>2009 Yankee payroll: $201,449,189 (103 wins)
Try $206,811,689.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rjUqkWOQjHQpoNT5rMOd6vQ
Your argument might be a tad more convincing if you'd stop making shit
up. Of course, when you're willing to shave the truth by $15
million dollars, I guess it's easy enough to pretend that a $67
million disparity in annual spending doesn't matter, or that a high
enough payroll is some sort of safeguard against the most crippling
run of injuries that any team has had to endure in the past decade..
>2009 Muts, payroll dollars per win = 2.13 million
>2009 Yankees, payroll dollars per win = 1.96 million
Oh, this is truly brilliant.
2009 Washington Nationals: 59 wins
2009 Nationals, payroll dollars per win: $1.04 million.
Gee, I wonder why Mike Rizzo didn't get more votes for executive of
the year? Of course, it's understanding that as a Yankee fan, you'd
assume that spending tons of cash should automatically translate into
wins (except in the case of your own team for the previous eight
years.) This puerile approach is particularly understandable in
your case, since you've demonstrated time and again that you really
don't have a fucking clue about baseball in general. Your entire
understanding of the sport can be reduced to four words: Yankees
good, Mets bad.
In short, you're nothing but a Yankee fanboy clown. Please shut up
before you prove it again.
Uncle Abogado�
wrote:
>On Nov 15, 7:14�pm, "Element" <no...@earthlink.net> wrote:
No, schmuck. Yours is wrong, although I think it's telling that
you'd rely on a source that most people wouldn't bother to use
to line birdcages.
Accurate payroll information for 2009 can be found at
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/.
Uncle Abogado�
wrote:
>On Nov 16, 3:54�pm, tmp <t...@nowhere.net> wrote:
Gee, one would think you'd have figured that out already, given the
Yankees' track record for the previous eight season.
Not the sharpest tack in the drawer, are ya?