World Series
john smith
change my prediction of a Phils/Yanks finale. Now the dreaded Yanks are
one game away from my Yankees world champion prediction.
The Yankees truly deserve this championship, they are definitely the
best team in baseball this year. They have great team chemistry and guys
pick each other up all the time. In the ninth inning you can see
Chamberlain thanking Posada for putting the game away and saving him a
goat game...
The at bat that Johnny Damon had to get things started was amazingly
gutsy and a reflection of the whole Yankee team this year, gritty and
just grinding things out. Take Chase Utley out of the World Series
equation and we might have been looking at a lopsided sweep of enormous
proportion.
The main difference between any good team and the Yankees is Mariano
Rivera, he is totally money in the bank. His post season stats speak for
themselves. As for Lidge, he has been pretty bad all year long and his
9th inning melt down should come as no surprise....
Watching the Yankees and Phillies compete shows me the Reds are light
years away from being championship caliber competitive...........
John Kasupski
>The main difference between any good team and the Yankees is Mariano
>Rivera, he is totally money in the bank.
If I may rephrase your sentence to reflect my own beliefs: "The main difference
between any other team and the Yankees is money in the bank."
Or to put it another way:
I think the only reason MLB allows one team to spend that much more money than
anybody else must be because the TV ratings when the Yankees are in the
postseason produce windfall profits from advertising sales. Why else would it
make sense to not level the financial playing field? I'm not talking "luxury
tax" or other revenue sharing schemes, I'm talking hard salary cap. I mean, even
Bud Selig can't be that blind. He owned the Brewers once. According to an
article on mlb.com which quoted an Associated Press analysis of Opening Day
salaries in MLB:
Yankees 2009 Payroll: $201,449,289
Next closest team (Mets): $135,773,988
Reds 2009 Payroll: $70,968,500
Think whatever you want, guys, but I'm watching any WS games this year, I don't
feel like puking up my dinner every time the Yankees win. If it was a fair
competiition they were winning maybe I could stomach it, but when the gap
between them and the next closest team is almost as much as the Reds' entire
payroll for the year? This is a joke. One can only hope the Steinbrenners' greed
will go right off the charts and they'll raise the ticket prices so high for
next season that hardly anyone shows up at all for the games.
You guys enjoy the World Series. I can't, and I can't imagine how anybody who
isn't a Yankees fan could. I'll be watching hockey. The Buffalo Bills in the NFL
are currently worthy of interest only to see how long it takes before the fans
stay away in droves and the owner is forced to fire that sorry excuse for a head
coach we currently have. But the Buffalo Sabres are actually starting the NHL
season off halfway decent.
JK
john smith
Baseball Fan and enjoy watching the game, especially the post season.
For all the money spent on the Yankees payroll every year, has it
produced a championship in the last 8 years? No........
Whatever you think of the Yankees payroll, you still must give them
credit for playing so well this year. They have more cohesion and a
bunch of mentally tough players who play well when the game counts the
most. I hate AROID but he has been unbelievable in this post season.
Jeter always comes up big and Mariano is as close to perfect as your
going to get...
We Reds fans can make all the excuses we want about the unfair financial
playing field. It won't change things in the future. We are doomed to
eat them few crumbs very 10 years or so. Yankee fans can look forward to
putting a playoff caliber team on the field every year...
Although they have the money to improve the roster every year, it
doesn't necessarily translate into a World Series championship. On the
other hand, us Red's rooters are supposed to get excited about bringing
in guys like Nix and Taveras and repeat "the yes we can" mantra, only to
be bit by reality come June every year....
The post season has been fun and I am hoping for a Philly comeback which
I sincerely doubt will happen. The hot stove should be exciting. Maybe
the Reds can pick up a Jack Wilson and get us all "excited.".
HTP
wrote:
> >The main difference between any good team and the Yankees is Mariano
> >Rivera, he is totally money in the bank.
>
> If I may rephrase your sentence to reflect my own beliefs: "The main difference
> between any other team and the Yankees is money in the bank."
>
> Or to put it another way:
>
> I think the only reason MLB allows one team to spend that much more money than
> anybody else must be because the TV ratings when the Yankees are in the
a few thoughts on this:
1. Even if MLB (whatever that is) wanted a salary cap, I cant see the
players association ever going along with it. Its not the owners who
lose out if a salary cap is implemented. Its the players. The Yankees
could keep ticket prices where they are, cut payroll by 70%, pocket
the difference and still win a pennant. How does that hurt them?
2. What would a fair salary cap figure? 75 million? 50 million? There
are tightwad franchises out there that would find even that too high.
3. What happens if say, the reds have a current salary of 65 million,
the cap is 70 million and they go to arbitration with Votto. the Reds
offer 5 million, which would take them to the cap, and Joey ask for 10
million. The arbitrator rules in Votto's favor. What do the Reds do?
Release other players to keep votto? Trade votto (with other teams
knowing that the Reds HAVE to move votto)? Outright release Votto and
make him a free agent?
> make sense to not level the financial playing field?
location location location.
The Yankees play in NYC. The Royals play in KC. Theres no such thing
as a level playing field, there never has been, and there never will
be.
I'm not talking "luxury
> tax" or other revenue sharing schemes, I'm talking hard salary cap. I mean, even
> Bud Selig can't be that blind. He owned the Brewers once. According to an
> article on mlb.com which quoted an Associated Press analysis of Opening Day
> salaries in MLB:
>
> Yankees 2009 Payroll: $201,449,289
> Next closest team (Mets): $135,773,988
> Reds 2009 Payroll: $70,968,500
The Mets had the highest payroll in The NL? How'd that work out for
them?
>
> Think whatever you want, guys, but I'm watching any WS games this year, I don't
> feel like puking up my dinner every time the Yankees win. If it was a fair
> competiition they were winning maybe I could stomach it, but when the gap
> between them and the next closest team is almost as much as the Reds' entire
> payroll for the year? This is a joke. One can only hope the Steinbrenners' greed
> will go right off the charts and they'll raise the ticket prices so high for
> next season that hardly anyone shows up at all for the games.
Steinbrenners greed?
He could cut payroll to 40 million, finish in the basement and still
sell assloads of seats and get his TV revenue. He'd likely make much
more money if he ran his franchise on the cheap (at least for a couple
years).
What the Steinbrenners are 'greedy' for are championships, and they
are willing to sacrifice some profit margin to get them. Now thats my
kind of owner.
>
> You guys enjoy the World Series. I can't, and I can't imagine how anybody who
> isn't a Yankees fan could. I'll be watching hockey. The Buffalo Bills in the NFL
> are currently worthy of interest only to see how long it takes before the fans
> stay away in droves and the owner is forced to fire that sorry excuse for a head
> coach we currently have. But the Buffalo Sabres are actually starting the NHL
> season off halfway decent.
>
John, youre only punishing yourself. Hockey is no substitute for a
good World Series.
I've thought for years that the real problem is expansion. There are
too many AAA cities with ballclubs. Many of these franchises are
unable or unwilling to generate the revenue streams to remain
competitive. The answer is to relocate them or strip them of thier
major league status. I'd like to see the leagues go back down to um...
16 teams again.
HTP
Alot of good points
I'd like to add that the reds have been screwing themselves for more
than a decade by not putting enough money into scouting and
development. There have been some encouraging signs in recent years
that things have changed. There is a trickle of players coming in from
Latin America now.
While people like to say that the Yankees are "buying" championships,
the fact is that they have good player development happening. The
Yankee farm system produced Jeter, Rivera, Posada, and Andy pettite
just in 1995 alone. Thats 2 HoFers and 2 other guys who will get some
serious consideration. 14 years later those guys are still
contributing to championship runs. The Yankees have actually overpayed
to keep these guys around. Both Jeter and Posada make alot more money
than any other franchise would be willing to pay them.
If it were simply a matter of "buying" championships, the Yankees
would have won more than zero world series over the past 7 years.
Will Vaughan
> While people like to say that the Yankees are "buying" championships,
> the fact is that they have good player development happening. The
> Yankee farm system produced Jeter, Rivera, Posada, and Andy pettite
> just in 1995 alone. Thats 2 HoFers and 2 other guys who will get some
> serious consideration. 14 years later those guys are still
> contributing to championship runs. The Yankees have actually overpayed
> to keep these guys around. Both Jeter and Posada make alot more money
> than any other franchise would be willing to pay them.
I'm assuming the HOFers are Jeter and Rivera. I'd say Pettite gets it
too - Posada - I can't see it - adequate, but not HOF material.
HTP
Well, you have to figure both Posada and Pettite have at least a
couple more seasons to make a case.
Posada has a few things in his favor aside from stats. He's a well-
liked Yankee and has been the starting catcher for 5 championship
teams (so far). I think that will go a long way. He's signed at big
money for 2 more years. He'll play a few more years as a catcher/DH
and could get his numbers into the range of serious candidate.
john smith
David Short
news:27692ca5-3196-4497...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>Well, you have to figure both Posada and Pettite have at least a
>couple more seasons to make a case.
Given that his playing time has seriously eroded over the last two years, I
can't see Posada staying in the lineup for a couple more seasons. He's a
fine hitting catcher, but that's not enough out of the DH spot for the
yankees.
> Posada has a few things in his favor aside from stats. He's a well-
>liked Yankee and has been the starting catcher for 5 championship
>teams (so far). I think that will go a long way. He's signed at big
>money for 2 more years. He'll play a few more years as a catcher/DH
>and could get his numbers into the range of serious candidate.
What numbers? I'm serious. If you give Posada two more of his best years
ever, then he's still shy of 2000 hits and just sneaks over 300 home runs.
Posoda's counting numbers are killed by the fact he's a catcher and they
take 20 games off every year and he didn't get a clear shot to play until he
was 28.
I have to believe that by the current voter patterns that Posada would come
up short. I don't think Barry Larkin is a sure thing this year.
He walks right into my hall of fame, but I don't get a vote and I let a lot
of guys in.
dfs
HTP
<David.No.Sh...@Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote:
> "HTP" <tmbowma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:27692ca5-3196-4497...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Well, you have to figure both Posada and Pettite have at least a
> >couple more seasons to make a case.
>
> Given that his playing time has seriously eroded over the last two years, I
> can't see Posada staying in the lineup for a couple more seasons. He's a
> fine hitting catcher, but that's not enough out of the DH spot for the
> yankees.
It wasnt an erosion of playing time. It was a serious injury in 2008.
He put up a 130 OPS+ this year. That beats their usual DH for the past
3 years. Without the strain of catching regularly, he be able to beat
that again.
>
> > Posada has a few things in his favor aside from stats. He's a well-
> >liked Yankee and has been the starting catcher for 5 championship
> >teams (so far). I think that will go a long way. He's signed at big
> >money for 2 more years. He'll play a few more years as a catcher/DH
> >and could get his numbers into the range of serious candidate.
>
> What numbers? I'm serious. If you give Posada two more of his best years
> ever, then he's still shy of 2000 hits and just sneaks over 300 home runs.
> Posoda's counting numbers are killed by the fact he's a catcher and they
> take 20 games off every year and he didn't get a clear shot to play until he
> was 28.
Exactly. He's a catcher.
I'm not saying he's getting in, but i dont think he'll fall off the
first ballot, even if he walks away right now.
>
> I have to believe that by the current voter patterns that Posada would come
> up short. I don't think Barry Larkin is a sure thing this year.
>
Had he played in New York, i'd like his chances better.
john smith
five years. He looks pretty bad back there at times especially with
passed balls. If Posada didn't play for the Yankees and have 5 world
series rings I doubt anybody would be remotely considering his HOF
chances...
Jeter and Rivera are HOFers.... As far as Pette is concerned the Yankees
thought he was washed up a few years ago, hence his stint in Houston.
Those years in Houston were very mediocre and it looked like he was
heading for retirement. I can't explain his recent rebound with the
Yankees. He comes up short on the HOF ballot as far as I am concerened.
Compare him to Bert Blyleven and see who was the better
pitcher.............
Bob Braun
"John Kasupski" <w2...@spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message
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John, they are playing under the agreed upon rules. This isn't the Yankees
fault. It's MLB's fault. Their product is getting worse by the year. For
starters, they MUST level the field.
We have had this discussion all year long, but I believe MLB is in trouble.
Chuck
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As Much as I dislike the Yankees I am also glad the Phils didnt match
the 75,76 Reds back to back champions! As for the lopsided payroll I
love it when the Yankees spend all that money and fall on their ass!
Ron Johnson
<David.No.Sh...@Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote:
>
> I have to believe that by the current voter patterns that Posada would come
> up short.
He's 33rd among players not yet eligible for the HOF on the
HOF monitor (which tracks how the BBWAA has voted historically.)
Just short of the "likely" stage.
I've got him somewhere around the 12th best catcher ever, which
makes a less than compelling HOF argument.
Still, you can sensibly compare him to any catcher who's
ever played. Yeah he comes up short, but not giggle-making
short if you know what I mean.
Bob Braun
"Chuck" <chuc...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You shouldn't. We want the small market owners to be able to make a case to
level the playing field.
I don't see a lot of evil in the Yankee players. Very professional. They
won it fair and square.
Chuck
> "Chuck" <chuckw...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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That they did..They were a class act this year! Do you think that
they would actually listen to the small market owners Bob? I havent
been listening to much about BB and havent been on the newsgroup cept
maybe a couple times since August.
Bob Braun
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Much like real life, the middle class is disappearing in baseball.
They got many of the big TV markets into the post season. I'm sure that
their ideal scenario would have been LA/NY.
The Reds were going to have to spend more money and make some shrewd moves
to be competitive in 2010. Now there is talk of cutting
payroll............season over.
Teams like the Pirates, Reds, Royals, Indians et al...........are farm teams
for the big money teams.