ESPN Radio 1000 - Cubs are close to acquiring Juan Pierre
Prioritized
Pierre from the Marlins for a pair of minor leaguers.
Who knows how valid this report is, but I like the idea that there is
atleast progress being made between the Cubs and the Marlins. If it is a
pair of minor leaguers it's probably Pie and maybe a pitcher.
Scott Stone
No way is Pie in this trade. For the Cubs to take on salary and give
away blue chip prospects is way too much.
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Claude
"Scott Stone" <sks...@rmisp.com> wrote in message
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> Prioritized wrote:
>
>> ESPN Radio 1000 is reporting that the Cubs are close to acquiring Juan
>> Pierre from the Marlins for a pair of minor leaguers.
>>
>> Who knows how valid this report is, but I like the idea that there is
>> atleast progress being made between the Cubs and the Marlins. If it is a
>> pair of minor leaguers it's probably Pie and maybe a pitcher.
>>
>
> No way is Pie in this trade. For the Cubs to take on salary and give away
> blue chip prospects is way too much.
If he gives up Pie in that trade, I would, for once, agree with Muskie.
Fire Hendry.
tks
"Prioritized" <Priori...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Much more smoke than fire??...
First...Bruce Levine (ESPN radio) said the deal is in final stages....Pierre
for a couple of minor leaguers.
Secondly...A fan asked Dave Kaplan (WGN radio) about the pending deal and he
said the Cubs are interested but nothing is close. They haven't had
discussions with the Marlins in about a week.
Ah....As lyrics from an old song stated..... "Rumors are flying and I'm not
denying"......Wonder if they had baseball in mind?
tks
Chuck Hildebrandt
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It will happen -- and the Cubs will finish under .500 again for the next two
years with moves such as this, Neifi and Dempster.
Chuck
Chuck Hildebrandt
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and wonder whether Pie is going to be the
star that people say he will be. He's typically hacktastic (only 118 walks
in 1402 at bats in the minors), and he's a liability on the bases so far (48
CS against 81 SB).
He looks like the second coming on Corey Patterson in some ways. I'm not so
sure I'm excited by the prospects of seeing him in CF this or next year.
Chuck
Anti Troll
says...
>
>I'm going to go out on a limb here and wonder whether Pie is going to be the
>star that people say he will be. He's typically hacktastic (only 118 walks
>in 1402 at bats in the minors), and he's a liability on the bases so far (48
>CS against 81 SB).
>
>He looks like the second coming on Corey Patterson in some ways. I'm not so
>sure I'm excited by the prospects of seeing him in CF this or next year.
>
year now. Pie has a world of talent and has made some progress, but I worry
about any toolsy hitter coming through the Cubs system. Like Patterson, Pie has
plate discipline issues and the Cubs system is clearly one of the worst in
baseball at teaching plate discipline. Pie needs time and some good instruction
to live up to his potential, and he might not get that with the Cubs system.
Craig
Anti Troll
>
>If he gives up Pie in that trade, I would, for once, agree with Muskie.
>Fire Hendry.
>
I say fire Hendry if he gets Pierre period. If Hendry really thinks Pierre is
the guy the Cubs need, he should be fired. Pierre is a one dimensional player
whose one tool already seems to be in decline. Plenty of other people have
talked about his hitting issues and I talked about them in the past when his
name came up, so I won't repeat them now. But let me remind you that he is a
horrible defensive liability - very possibly the worst outfield arm in all of
major league baseball.
Craig
Claude
"Anti Troll" <antit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Welcome back, Craig. Good to get your insights again.
Claude
I do remember some announcer saying something similar during the 2003 WS.
iGenNews
I don't get the knock on Hendry for trying to get Pierre. He had an off year and his market value is slightly down; however, he has a very good upside and 200 hits per year is helluva nice way to get on base in front of Lee & Co. and he can steal bases too.
He's a singles hitter. So what? Somebody needs to be on base for this team to compete. You guys would be complaining even if it was Vince Coleman - another singles hitting basestealer that would look good at the top of any order during his prime.
mish...@hotmail.com
be the
star that people say he will be.*
Because Cub fans are desperate for good news and always have been.
*He looks like the second coming on Corey Patterson in some ways.*
Another product of the Chicago hype machine which was amped up by this
echo chamber here. Remember, according to all the geniuses on this
group, we're supposed to be in the middle of the
Choi-Hill-Montanez-Kelton dynasty.
Anti Troll
>
>Welcome back, Craig. Good to get your insights again.
>
as regularly as I have in the past. And, frankly, it's hard for me to be
enthused about things at this point since I despise Baker and am losing faith in
Hendry. I feel like I would just keep repeating myself. Hopefully, the FA and
trade news will reinvigorate my interest!
Craig
Anti Troll
>
>I don't get the knock on Hendry for trying to get Pierre. He had an off =
>year and his market value is slightly down; however, he has a very good =
>upside and 200 hits per year is helluva nice way to get on base in front =
>of Lee & Co. and he can steal bases too.
>
>team to compete. You guys would be complaining even if it was Vince =
>Coleman - another singles hitting basestealer that would look good at =
>the top of any order during his prime.
>
company. Baker has not figured that out yet; I'm not sure if Hendry has. Speed
isn't that important, especially in Wrigley; getting on base is important.
Pierre is too dependent on average to be a reliable OBP guy, as we saw last
year. And when a singles hitter has a down year, there is reason to worry. He
has nothing to fall back on besides his speed; if that is declining, he is a big
problem offensively, not to mention defensively.
If the Cubs want a lead off hitter, they should go all out for Damon or try a
cheaper and better option than Pierre.
Craig
iGenNews
"Anti Troll" <antit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dlff6...@drn.newsguy.com...
: In article <ymyef.188$nA2...@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, iGenNews says...
Pierre, Damon and now Podsednik have been at the top of the order for the last three world champions and only Damon seems to be liked by this group. I like Damon and his competitiveness and abilities; however, he carries a very high price tag and would clog the outfield from youngsters like Pie for 4 to 5 years. He'd become too expensive to trade or sit while preventing anyone else from taking his place.
Pierre is relatively cheap short term solution for the Cubs until Pie is ready or another good option becomes available to replace him in centerfield. I'd prefer Damon for next year; however, I'd rather see Pie as the team's centerfielder in 2007.
At the same time, Patterson will probably be included in any trade for a new centerfielder in a 3-team package that may bring Pierre and Adam Dunn to the Cubs in exchange for prospects from the Cubs and Marlins - with Patterson, Austin Kearns or Wily Mo Pena ending up on the Marlins.
The G, no C
<Gro...@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:
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> Pierre is relatively cheap short term solution for the Cubs until Pie is
> ready or another good option becomes available to replace him in centerfield.
</snip>
Assuming, of course, Pie is _not_ actually used to get Pierre.
G
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iGenNews
"The G, no C" <ab...@blink45.com> wrote in message news:161120051005135312%ab...@blink45.com...
: In article <tCIef.293$4o7...@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>, iGenNews
: <Gro...@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:
:
: [snip]
: > Pierre is relatively cheap short term solution for the Cubs until Pie is
: > ready or another good option becomes available to replace him in centerfield.
: </snip>
:
: Assuming, of course, Pie is _not_ actually used to get Pierre.
:
:
: G
I could see trading Patterson, Pie or even Murton for a proven young star like Adam Dunn; however, their upside is too great to be included in a trade for a player that has already peaked and is needed only as a relatively inexpensive solution until his replacement (Pie) is ready.
The Cubs have drafted and focused on developing their pitching throughout the organization. These young kids, pitchers, have greater trade value as they mature than their position counterparts. The Cubs glut of good young pitching will be used to obtain a proven young star and their mid-level prospects should bring several decent role-players to fill out the roster.
The exception will be with Corey Patterson. He has a good upside; however, Murton and Pie make him expendable while filling the void in right field. They probably expected to move Patterson to left field once Pie mature and, that plan changed once Murton developed because Patterson cannot platoon with Pie or Murton, he's unreliable and alternate solutions are available via free agency or trade if Murton fails to secure and maintain left field next spring and into May, 2006.
At the same time, Pierre will become quite attractive to other teams after next season because he isn't very expensive and can generate a lot of excitement at the top of the order. I expect that he'd be traded during the 2007 season for prospects prior to the trading deadline if Pie is ready, otherwise, he'll be a pleasant surprise because he is a hustling team player.
NOTE: I would rather have Pie and Murton on the Cubs than being traded for Dunn - just so I don't get knocked by the group for my earlier comment.
yumy...@sbcglobal.net
I think I'm getting ready to jump on the fire Hendry band wagon also.
His .326
OBP last year is very scary. If he doesn't get on base hes completely
useless.
I'm also worried about how he will perform at Wrigley. If a lot of his
hits are ground
balls he could really be hurt by the slow infield. If we do end up with
him I hope we
don't give up too much.
Lance
adil...@gmail.com
I could say the same thing about Scott Podsednik - singles hitter, no
arm, etc. Don't understimate the value of a guy that can get on base
and run! Setting the table is crucial, especially when you have Lee and
Ramirez to knock em' home.
I think people are still bitter over the marlins victory- in which
Pierre was key. I'll take him on our side.
Venkatesh Natarajan
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 adil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I think people are still bitter over the marlins victory- in which
> Pierre was key. I'll take him on our side.
>
Derrek Lee Sucks!
Venk