According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much money. Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal salaries. Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot now that Dye & Pods are gone. The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young inexperienced "cheap" team.
<whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much >money. >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal >salaries. >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot >now that Dye & Pods are gone. >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young >inexperienced "cheap" team.
>Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( especially the young guys) Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after what I saw last year, everybody and anybody who gets on first is running
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more > >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much > >money. > >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal > >salaries. > >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot > >now that Dye & Pods are gone. > >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan > >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. > >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young > >inexperienced "cheap" team.
> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his > veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers > who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would > take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( > especially the young guys) > Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would > have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as > he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic > hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change > of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract > year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk > of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. > I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot > of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more > consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an > incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively > than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to > be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 > reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more > on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing > right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after > what I saw last year, everybody and anybody who gets on first is > running
> Just my 2 cents
> Jim
Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a mistake IMO. The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed and leadoff position somewhere. Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part time duty.
<whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 8, 4:32Êam, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much >> >money. >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal >> >salaries. >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
>> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
>> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( >> especially the young guys) >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
>> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after >> what I saw last year, everybody Êand anybody who gets on first is >> running
>> Just my 2 cents
>> Jim
>Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's >salaries.
Unless the cash they got with Thome for Rowand and Gio Gonzales was enough to pay the entire balance of Thome's contract ( not out of the question as Thome had to go and if they released him the Phils were still on the hook for the $$ anyway)
Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a
>mistake IMO.
Harrelson continually babbling about Thorton closing near the end of last season and alot of times I think he sort of acts as a point guy for KW.So my guess is you are probably right
>The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much >better.
But he was a shortstop in Cuba :-)
With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed
>and leadoff position somewhere.
Not alot of speed on this roster but that can be overcome if we learn to bunt and hit and run
>Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part >time duty.
I'm an old timer and adhere to the axiom that you have to be strong up the middle defensively to win and with a feilding % of .995 ( which doesn't even include the failure to attempt to throw out base stealers.At one time when he was a bit better defensively i would have agreed with you . I'm not so sure now
I don't think we really want to trade the only guy in the infield that can actually field his own position. Teahan has had back problems in the past but is ok now at tthird , Our shortstop had 20 errors last year and is erractic on routine plays, and it is in the plan for Beckham to learn his second new position at the major league level in 2 years Pretty much the last thing we need is an ex catcher learning to play first
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Nov 8, 4:32 am, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more > >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much > >> >money. > >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal > >> >salaries. > >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot > >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. > >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan > >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. > >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young > >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
> >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
> >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his > >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers > >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would > >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( > >> especially the young guys) > >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would > >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as > >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic > >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change > >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract > >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk > >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. > >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
> >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot > >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more > >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an > >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively > >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to > >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 > >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more > >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing > >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after > >> what I saw last year, everybody and anybody who gets on first is > >> running
> >> Just my 2 cents
> >> Jim
> >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were > >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's > >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a > >mistake IMO. > >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much > >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed > >and leadoff position somewhere. > >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw > >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around > >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part > >time duty.
> I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, play AJ at first. > There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to > catch ;)
Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a few bunnies and I was impressed.
> On Nov 9, 6:41 am, That Rich <that_r...@wrongaddress.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> > <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >On Nov 8, 4:32 am, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> > >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more > > >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much > > >> >money. > > >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal > > >> >salaries. > > >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot > > >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. > > >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan > > >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. > > >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young > > >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
> > >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
> > >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his > > >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers > > >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would > > >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( > > >> especially the young guys) > > >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would > > >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as > > >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic > > >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change > > >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract > > >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk > > >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. > > >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
> > >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot > > >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more > > >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an > > >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively > > >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to > > >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 > > >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more > > >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing > > >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after > > >> what I saw last year, everybody and anybody who gets on first is > > >> running
> > >> Just my 2 cents
> > >> Jim
> > >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were > > >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's > > >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a > > >mistake IMO. > > >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much > > >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed > > >and leadoff position somewhere. > > >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw > > >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around > > >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part > > >time duty.
> > I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, play AJ at first. > > There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to > > catch ;)
> Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? > AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a > few bunnies and I was impressed.
Even with AJ's weakness in getting runners I still think he is a major plus to the team. Some of the pitchers can do a better job holding runners closer.
> On Nov 16, 5:09 am, Alfred <behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 6:41 am, That Rich <that_r...@wrongaddress.net> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> > > <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >On Nov 8, 4:32 am, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> > > >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more > > > >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much > > > >> >money. > > > >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal > > > >> >salaries. > > > >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot > > > >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. > > > >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan > > > >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. > > > >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young > > > >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
> > > >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
> > > >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his > > > >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers > > > >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would > > > >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( > > > >> especially the young guys) > > > >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would > > > >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as > > > >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic > > > >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change > > > >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract > > > >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk > > > >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. > > > >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
> > > >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot > > > >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more > > > >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an > > > >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively > > > >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to > > > >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 > > > >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more > > > >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing > > > >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after > > > >> what I saw last year, everybody and anybody who gets on first is > > > >> running
> > > >> Just my 2 cents
> > > >> Jim
> > > >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were > > > >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's > > > >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a > > > >mistake IMO. > > > >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much > > > >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed > > > >and leadoff position somewhere. > > > >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw > > > >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around > > > >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part > > > >time duty.
> > > I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, play AJ at first. > > > There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to > > > catch ;)
> > Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? > > AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a > > few bunnies and I was impressed.
> Even with AJ's weakness in getting runners I still think he is a major > plus to the team. > Some of the pitchers can do a better job holding runners closer.- Hide quoted text -
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I'd thought the same thing - pitchers may not be doing enough to allow AJ to stand a chance. It's hard finding a good hitting catcher - and a person of AJ's unselfish character.
<behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 9, 6:41Êam, That Rich <that_r...@wrongaddress.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On Nov 8, 4:32Êam, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more >> >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much >> >> >money. >> >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal >> >> >salaries. >> >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot >> >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. >> >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan >> >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. >> >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young >> >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
>> >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
>> >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his >> >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers >> >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would >> >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( >> >> especially the young guys) >> >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would >> >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as >> >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic >> >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change >> >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract >> >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk >> >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. >> >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
>> >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot >> >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more >> >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an >> >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively >> >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to >> >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 >> >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more >> >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing >> >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after >> >> what I saw last year, everybody Êand anybody who gets on first is >> >> running
>> >> Just my 2 cents
>> >> Jim
>> >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were >> >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's >> >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a >> >mistake IMO. >> >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much >> >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed >> >and leadoff position somewhere. >> >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw >> >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around >> >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part >> >time duty.
>> I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, Êplay AJ at first. >> There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to >> catch Ê;)
>Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? >AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a >few bunnies and I was impressed.
He threw out less than 24% of base stealers and had a feilding % of .995 . I am not
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:09:04 -0800 (PST), Alfred
> <behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >On Nov 9, 6:41Êam, That Rich <that_r...@wrongaddress.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >On Nov 8, 4:32Êam, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
> >> >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more > >> >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much > >> >> >money. > >> >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal > >> >> >salaries. > >> >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot > >> >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. > >> >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan > >> >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. > >> >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young > >> >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
> >> >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
> >> >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his > >> >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers > >> >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would > >> >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( > >> >> especially the young guys) > >> >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would > >> >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as > >> >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic > >> >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change > >> >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract > >> >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk > >> >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. > >> >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
> >> >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot > >> >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more > >> >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an > >> >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively > >> >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to > >> >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 > >> >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more > >> >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing > >> >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after > >> >> what I saw last year, everybody Êand anybody who gets on first is > >> >> running
> >> >> Just my 2 cents
> >> >> Jim
> >> >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were > >> >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's > >> >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a > >> >mistake IMO. > >> >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much > >> >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed > >> >and leadoff position somewhere. > >> >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw > >> >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around > >> >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part > >> >time duty.
> >> I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, Êplay AJ at first. > >> There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to > >> catch Ê;)
> >Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? > >AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a > >few bunnies and I was impressed.
> He threw out less than 24% of base stealers and had a feilding % of > .995 . I am not
> Jim
I take it you want to get rid of AJ. Who do you want to get to replace him? He brings more than just throwing out baserunners to the table which I admit he is weak at.
<behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 16, 6:29 am, sdrahcir <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 16, 5:09 am, Alfred <behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 9, 6:41 am, That Rich <that_r...@wrongaddress.net> wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> > > <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >On Nov 8, 4:32 am, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> > > >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more >> > > >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much >> > > >> >money. >> > > >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal >> > > >> >salaries. >> > > >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot >> > > >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. >> > > >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan >> > > >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. >> > > >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young >> > > >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
>> > > >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
>> > > >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his >> > > >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers >> > > >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would >> > > >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( >> > > >> especially the young guys) >> > > >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would >> > > >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as >> > > >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic >> > > >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change >> > > >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract >> > > >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk >> > > >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. >> > > >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
>> > > >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot >> > > >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more >> > > >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an >> > > >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively >> > > >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to >> > > >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 >> > > >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more >> > > >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing >> > > >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after >> > > >> what I saw last year, everybody and anybody who gets on first is >> > > >> running
>> > > >> Just my 2 cents
>> > > >> Jim
>> > > >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were >> > > >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's >> > > >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a >> > > >mistake IMO. >> > > >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much >> > > >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed >> > > >and leadoff position somewhere. >> > > >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw >> > > >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around >> > > >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part >> > > >time duty.
>> > > I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, play AJ at first. >> > > There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to >> > > catch ;)
>> > Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? >> > AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a >> > few bunnies and I was impressed.
>> Even with AJ's weakness in getting runners I still think he is a major >> plus to the team. >> Some of the pitchers can do a better job holding runners closer.- Hide quoted text -
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>I'd thought the same thing - pitchers may not be doing enough to allow >AJ to stand a chance. >It's hard finding a good hitting catcher - and a person of AJ's >unselfish character.
I think I could have stolen off José. I wonder how AJ did with Buehrle on the mound?
>Even with AJ's weakness in getting runners I still think he is a major >plus to the team. >Some of the pitchers can do a better job holding runners closer.
I'm not saying he isn't a plus to the team I am saying he is a minus defensively. We have 2 pitchers with 2 of the best moves to first base ( Buehrle and Danks). The 2 most people bitch about when they are talking holding runners were Contreras ( gone) and Freddie Garcia( hanging on by a thread). I haven't seen Peavy enough to have an opinion on him and Floyd while he isn't great seems to be real average.
Let him DH . He hits for pretty good average with occassional power. This is certainly a step up from the previous years. Also have him catch once or twice a week
<behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 16, 6:29Êam, sdrahcir <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 16, 5:09Êam, Alfred <behyndbluee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 9, 6:41Êam, That Rich <that_r...@wrongaddress.net> wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:59:51 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> > > <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >On Nov 8, 4:32Êam, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:39 -0800 (PST), sdrahcir
>> > > >> <whitesox...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > >> >According to the Sun Times Kenny Williams said the Sox have no more >> > > >> >money to spend. Talks with Podsednik are off because he wants to much >> > > >> >money. >> > > >> >Any further acquisitions will have to come by way of trades of equal >> > > >> >salaries. >> > > >> >Apparently John Danks' brother is in the running for an outfield spot >> > > >> >now that Dye & Pods are gone. >> > > >> >The small market Royals had to give the Sox money to take Teahan >> > > >> >because Getz & Fields salaries don't match. >> > > >> >Get ready to say goodbye to Jenks. Get ready to say hello to a young >> > > >> >inexperienced "cheap" team.
>> > > >> >Why did the Sox acquire Peavey & Rios?
>> > > >> I think that he aquired Peavy because he had a rotation where 2 of his >> > > >> veteran pitchers had failed(Contreras and Colon) and 2 young pitchers >> > > >> who were inconsistant. He might have felt that aquiring Peavy would >> > > >> take the pressure off of the staff a bit in '09 alot in 2010 ( >> > > >> especially the young guys) >> > > >> Rios on the other hand was aquired to fill the void in CF. One would >> > > >> have to think that a player who was as good as Rios was for as long as >> > > >> he was couldn't be that bad that quickly and maybe an empathetic >> > > >> hispanic manager could turn him around quickly or maybe just a change >> > > >> of scenery could help. Normally this is done after a down contract >> > > >> year or by getting a load of $$ from the original club to pay the bulk >> > > >> of the salary( a la Thome) but I'm not sure we got any cash this time. >> > > >> I think I would have let them release him then signed him.
>> > > >> While this is not a great team this a team that CAN contend but alot >> > > >> of things have to go right. The starting rotation has to be more >> > > >> consistant and the bullpen needs to be shored up or bounce back for an >> > > >> incredibley bad year. The SS has to have a better year defensively >> > > >> than last as does the centerfielder. The position of catcher needs to >> > > >> be addressed. (especially from a stopping the steal perspective) for 2 >> > > >> reasons. Firstly because the pitchers will be able to concentrate more >> > > >> on the hitters and not feel they have to keep the runner standing >> > > >> right on the base and secondly if I am the opposing manager, after >> > > >> what I saw last year, everybody Êand anybody who gets on first is >> > > >> running
>> > > >> Just my 2 cents
>> > > >> Jim
>> > > >Salary wise let's remember that the Peavey, Rios acquisitions were >> > > >more than balanced off by the subtraction of Thome, Vasquez, & Dye's >> > > >salaries. Bobby Jenks will probably be dropped too and that's a >> > > >mistake IMO. >> > > >The SS is terrible defensively and I don't see him getting much >> > > >better. With Pods gone they are going to need to replace that speed >> > > >and leadoff position somewhere. >> > > >Regarding catcher I have mixed feelings. I agree that AJ can't throw >> > > >well, but with his hitting and his attitude he is an all around >> > > >positive IMO. Tyler Flowers I don't believe is ready even for part >> > > >time duty.
>> > > I'd like to see Paulie go to free up some cash, Êplay AJ at first. >> > > There must be a few more Molina's out there the Sox could sign to >> > > catch Ê;)
>> > Get rid of your team captain to free up cash to get another catcher? >> > AJ's throwing arm may not be a shotgun, but I'd seen him knock down a >> > few bunnies and I was impressed.
>> Even with AJ's weakness in getting runners I still think he is a major >> plus to the team. >> Some of the pitchers can do a better job holding runners closer.- Hide quoted text -
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>I'd thought the same thing - pitchers may not be doing enough to allow >AJ to stand a chance.
You can make all the excuses you want for him but he is a sub par defensive cathcher
>It's hard finding a good hitting catcher - and a person of AJ's >unselfish character.
Thats why you make him a DH and let him catch once or twice a week
>I take it you want to get rid of AJ. Who do you want to get to replace >him? >He brings more than just throwing out baserunners to the table which I >admit he is weak at.
Don't want to get rid of AJ I just want a good defensive catcher behind the plate. . Why not Miguel Olivo. He's good defensively, has a gun for an arm, and hits for power. ( The downside is that he doesn't hit for much average and strikes out alot. He should fit right in) The difference between him and Josh Fields is that Olivo can actually field his position. He is a free agent and should be reasonably cheap. With only a few of the vets left I see AJ as a leader and a great example for the younger guys. He could help the young pitchers and provide a steady bat in the line up
>>I take it you want to get rid of AJ. Who do you want to get to replace >>him? >>He brings more than just throwing out baserunners to the table which I >>admit he is weak at.
>Don't want to get rid of AJ I just want a good defensive catcher >behind the plate. . Why not Miguel Olivo. He's good defensively, has a >gun for an arm, and hits for power. ( The downside is that he doesn't >hit for much average and strikes out alot. He should fit right in) >The difference between him and Josh Fields is that Olivo can actually >field his position. He is a free agent and should be reasonably cheap. >With only a few of the vets left I see AJ as a leader and a great >example for the younger guys. He could help the young pitchers and >provide a steady bat in the line up
>Jim
I hate to answer my own post but nevermind on Olivo . His stats are worse than AJ's but there has to be someone ( I was thinking of someone like the guy who plays for Detroit. He doesn't hit well but plays defense incredibley well Jim
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:45:51 -0500, mercutio <jim013...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >>I take it you want to get rid of AJ. Who do you want to get to replace > >>him? > >>He brings more than just throwing out baserunners to the table which I > >>admit he is weak at.
> >Don't want to get rid of AJ I just want a good defensive catcher > >behind the plate. . Why not Miguel Olivo. He's good defensively, has a > >gun for an arm, and hits for power. ( The downside is that he doesn't > >hit for much average and strikes out alot. He should fit right in) > >The difference between him and Josh Fields is that Olivo can actually > >field his position. He is a free agent and should be reasonably cheap. > >With only a few of the vets left I see AJ as a leader and a great > >example for the younger guys. He could help the young pitchers and > >provide a steady bat in the line up
> >Jim
> I hate to answer my own post but nevermind on Olivo . His stats are > worse than AJ's but there has to be someone ( I was thinking of > someone like the guy who plays for Detroit. He doesn't hit well but > plays defense incredibley well > Jim
Regarding Olivo, if I remember correctly the pitchers didn't like him much. I'm not sure why. I'm not against getting a good defensive catcher, but right now I don't think that is the Sox' greatest need. Relief pitching needs help especially if they get rid of Jenks. Even if Bobby stays, and I hope he does, the Sox need relief help. Linebrink is worthless and a replacement for Dotel is needed. Speaking of defense, shortstop needs more attention than catcher IMO.
>Regarding Olivo, if I remember correctly the pitchers didn't like him >much. I'm not sure why. I'm not against getting a good defensive >catcher, but right now I don't think that is the Sox' greatest need. >Relief pitching needs help especially if they get rid of Jenks. Even >if Bobby stays, and I hope he does, the Sox need relief help. >Linebrink is worthless and a replacement for Dotel is needed. >Speaking of defense, shortstop needs more attention than catcher IMO.
We have addressed the SS problem with the aquisition of Teahan. Now we can only hope that our management folks are smart enough to put the right people in the right spots ( good luck to us on that)
I agree with you about the bullpen needing a facelift. My only point is that evertime we walk someone or give up a single we are in a situation where that single ( or walk ) could very easily be a double ( by way of the stolen base) because or guy can't throw the ball all the way to second with any degree of accuracy or consistancey. He had trouble throwing out guys at 3d. There will be alot of people in scoring position because of this. As I said before if I'm an opposing manager anyone who gets on first is going to run, if we have a guy on 3d with good -to-great speed he is going to 3d just my 2 cents
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