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shananagin

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Nov 13, 2012, 4:57:20 PM11/13/12

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Now the Sox are interested in Napoli A sure sign Salty may go

Dano

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Nov 13, 2012, 5:13:12 PM11/13/12

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Now the Sox are interested in Napoli A sure sign Salty may go

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I think the other acquisition means more. Napoli can play first and was
just quoted saying he doesn't have to be a catcher. He'd be in the mix (at
least) at first. Just as good a chance that Lavarnway could be back in AAA.
Did you like how he hit last year?

But...yeah...I would NOT be shocked to see Salty traded. He should have
decent trade value.

Ray Garraty

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Nov 13, 2012, 6:12:30 PM11/13/12

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rumour hss it the Cubs and Mets are interested in Salty. the Red Sox are interested in Garza (cubs) and Ike Davis (Mets). Maybe something?

Wayback1918

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Nov 13, 2012, 6:31:38 PM11/13/12

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On Nov 13, 4:57 pm, "shananagin" <n...@none.nospam.this> wrote:
> Now the Sox are interested in Napoli A sure sign Salty may go

Napoli is not very inspiring, if the Red Sox are considering him as a
catcher.....damn near depressing if they are thinking of him as a 1B.

After 7 years of Gold Glove defense between Youkilis and Gonzalez,
Napoli would sure be an eye-opener.

shananagin

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Nov 13, 2012, 7:28:13 PM11/13/12

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"Dano" wrote in message news:k7uglp$agc$1...@dont-email.me...

"shananagin" wrote in message
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Now the Sox are interested in Napoli A sure sign Salty may go

========================================

I think the other acquisition means more. Napoli can play first and was
just quoted saying he doesn't have to be a catcher. He'd be in the mix (at
least) at first. Just as good a chance that Lavarnway could be back in AAA.
Did you like how he hit last year?

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no... but He'll need to make adjustments and learn.... he is a v good
hitter.... just needs time (Lavarnway)

Dano

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Nov 13, 2012, 7:39:23 PM11/13/12

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"Ray Garraty" wrote in message
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I'd be much more interested in Garza. I think Jerry Sands is a better
prospect going forward than Davis. And the Red Sox already have HIM.

shananagin

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Nov 13, 2012, 8:25:57 PM11/13/12

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"Wayback1918" wrote in message
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but Napoli hit tremendously at Fenway Park.... (small sample) 6-13... 3 hr
.462

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/28444/mike-napoli

PW

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Nov 13, 2012, 10:11:57 PM11/13/12

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:13:12 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
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>"shananagin" wrote in message
>news:IfKdnXBbkOmjXz_N...@neonova.net...
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>Now the Sox are interested in Napoli A sure sign Salty may go
>
>========================================
>
>I think the other acquisition means more. Napoli can play first and was
>just quoted saying he doesn't have to be a catcher. He'd be in the mix (at
>least) at first. Just as good a chance that Lavarnway could be back in AAA.

>Did you like how he hit last year?

NO!!!

Dano

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Nov 14, 2012, 1:41:15 AM11/14/12

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"shananagin" wrote in message
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Might have something to do with the pitchers right?

Ray Garraty

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Nov 14, 2012, 3:44:54 AM11/14/12

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Yeah. I've heard the reason he was finally let go in Anaheim was Scoicia was beating his head against the wall every night at how bad a catcher Napoli was. I'm really hoping they get some more well rounded guys to add. If he can't DH, bleh

Wayback1918

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Nov 14, 2012, 6:28:48 AM11/14/12

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On Nov 14, 3:44 am, Ray Garraty <idahosha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah. I've heard the reason he was finally let go in Anaheim was Scoicia was beating his head against the wall every night at how bad a catcher Napoli was. I'm really hoping they get some more well rounded guys to add. If he can't DH, bleh- Hide quoted text -
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Catcher ERA for Napoli and other catchers on his team by season

YEAR NAPOLI OTHERS
2012 4.32 3.75
2011 3.16 4.13
2010 5.11 3.44
2009 4.86 4.01

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Nov 14, 2012, 12:36:38 PM11/14/12

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On Nov 14, 12:28 pm, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:57:20 -0500, "shananagin"
>

> <n...@none.nospam.this> wrote:
> >Now the Sox are interested in Napoli A sure sign Salty may go
>
> Hunter signs two years ($26 mil) with the Tigers so we can forget
> about him :-(

It's not a bad price. Along with Austin Jackson, Prince Fielder,
Miguel Cabrera and a returning Victor Martinez its a good lineup

PETER SHORTS

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Nov 14, 2012, 1:56:44 PM11/14/12

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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:24:44 AM UTC-5, Dano wrote:
> "shananagin" wrote in message
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> news:EKadnffXW4I9Ij7N...@neonova.net...
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> "Wayback1918" wrote in message
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> news:ef14af69-d62b-4366...@qi10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
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> On Nov 14, 6:28 am, Wayback1918 <wayback1...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> 2012 stat comparision
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> STAT NAPOLI SALTALAMACCHIA
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> AVE .227 .222
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> SLG .454 .469
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> HR 24 25
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> RBI 59 56
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> K/PA 2.8 2.9
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>

> I didnï¿½t think it was possible for guy to strikeout more frequently
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> than Saltalamacchia.
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> Napoliï¿½s 2012 stats are much lower than his norm, while Saltalamacchia

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> seem to be about what you can expect.
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>

> The biggest difference is of course the OBP. Napoli was .343ï¿½

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> Saltalamacchia .288. Career the difference is Napoli .356 vs
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> Saltalamacchia .302.
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>
>

> Napoli will be 31 this season but he really hasnï¿½t had a huge workload
>
> behind the plateï¿½just 539 games in 7 seasons....which is pretty

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> telling. If you have a catcher with a career .863 OPS and you are not
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> willing to play him there more than 65-70 times a season there must be
>
> a good reason.
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> Napoli's career numbers at Fenway are hard to ignore...(73 PA) .
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> 306/.397/.710.1.107
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>
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> Saltalamacchia will be 28 and still could be improving at the plate
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>
>

> Napoliï¿½s career CS% is 24%...Saltalamacchiaï¿½s is 23%
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> Napoliï¿½s career (WP+PB)/IP is 1 every 19.7 inningsï¿½..Saltalamacchiaï¿½s

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> is 1 every 19.4 innings (It should be noted that Saltalmacchia did
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> catch Wakefield for a full season)
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>
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> Note: Napoli caught Lackey 62 times (second highest total for Lackey)
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> and they had a very good 3.16 ERA together.
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> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> Love your statistical analysis
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> I don't like when CS% is considered as a high indicator of defensive skill.
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> Highly over-rated IMHO.

so overrated as not to be worth mentioning? has anyone quantified framing ability?

PW

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Nov 14, 2012, 1:57:23 PM11/14/12

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Maybe they won't choke in the WS again this year ;-)

Wayback1918

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Nov 14, 2012, 2:23:46 PM11/14/12

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On Nov 14, 1:56 pm, PETER SHORTS <petersh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:24:44 AM UTC-5, Dano wrote:
> > "shananagin" wrote in message
>
> >news:EKadnffXW4I9Ij7N...@neonova.net...
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> > "Wayback1918" wrote in message
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> >news:ef14af69-d62b-4366...@qi10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Nov 14, 6:28 am, Wayback1918 <wayback1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > 2012 stat comparision
>
> > STAT NAPOLI SALTALAMACCHIA
>
> > AVE .227 .222
>
> > SLG .454 .469
>
> > HR 24 25
>
> > RBI 59 56
>
> > K/PA 2.8 2.9
>

> > I didn t think it was possible for guy to strikeout more frequently
>
> > than Saltalamacchia.
>
> > Napoli s 2012 stats are much lower than his norm, while Saltalamacchia

>
> > seem to be about what you can expect.
>
> > The biggest difference is of course the OBP. Napoli was .343
>

> > Saltalamacchia .288. Career the difference is Napoli .356 vs
>
> > Saltalamacchia .302.
>

> > Napoli will be 31 this season but he really hasn t had a huge workload
>
> > behind the plate just 539 games in 7 seasons....which is pretty

>
> > telling. If you have a catcher with a career .863 OPS and you are not
>
> > willing to play him there more than 65-70 times a season there must be
>
> > a good reason.
>
> > Napoli's career numbers at Fenway are hard to ignore...(73 PA) .
>
> > 306/.397/.710.1.107
>
> > Saltalamacchia will be 28 and still could be improving at the plate
>

> > Napoli s career CS% is 24%...Saltalamacchia s is 23%
>

> > Napoli s career (WP+PB)/IP is 1 every 19.7 innings ..Saltalamacchia s

>
> > is 1 every 19.4 innings (It should be noted that Saltalmacchia did
>
> > catch Wakefield for a full season)
>
> > Note: Napoli caught Lackey 62 times (second highest total for Lackey)
>
> > and they had a very good 3.16 ERA together.
>
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> > Love your statistical analysis
>
> > ============================================
>
> > I don't like when CS% is considered as a high indicator of defensive skill.
>
> > Highly over-rated IMHO.
>

> so overrated as not to be worth mentioning? has anyone quantified framing ability?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Runs=Runs Saved

Example '73' means a catcher saved his team 73 runs since 2007
'-63' means a catcher cost his team 63 runs since 2007

This only measure the catchers runs saved/lost due to his framing
ability.

2012 final numbers are not out yet. Below is the totals for each
player between 2007-2011.

Pitches Runs Catcher
18788 73 Jose Molina
42186 71 Russell Martin
26306 41 Yorvit Torrealba
14205 38 Jonathan Lucroy
39184 37 Yadier Molina
17376 36 Gregg Zaun
27053 33 Miguel Montero
17023 25 Alex Avila
18016 25 Ryan Hanigan
32705 24 Geovany Soto
20065 23 Jarrod Saltalamacchia
42098 20 Brian McCann
25731 19 Jeff Mathis
14315 16 David Ross
40828 12 A.J. Pierzynski
23394 10 Chris Snyder
18991 10 Humberto Quintero
20239 10 Ronny Paulino
18685 8 Brian Schneider
30260 7 Joe Mauer
25008 6 Matt Wieters
30558 5 Ivan Rodriguez
21402 3 Kelly Shoppach
43225 2 Kurt Suzuki
18275 1 Josh Bard
30104 -2 Miguel Olivo
22864 -8 Victor Martinez
30096 -14 Bengie Molina
26858 -15 Rod Barajas
27075 -17 Jason Varitek
24980 -19 Dioner Navarro
32761 -23 Carlos Ruiz
27917 -23 Ramon Hernandez
16276 -24 Matt Treanor
23939 -24 Mike Napoli
31314 -25 John Buck
14399 -25 Koyie Hill
14285 -25 Rob Johnson
20827 -27 Nick Hundley
25308 -30 Chris Iannetta
19588 -33 Kenji Johjima
35772 -37 Jason Kendall
17942 -50 Jorge Posada
30298 -52 Gerald Laird
22861 -66 Ryan Doumit

I'm afraid there hasn't been a system yet created that shows Mike
Napoli to be a good defensive catcher.

This is heavy stat 'geek-dom stuff but here are the links if you like.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15093

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/evaluating-catchers-quantifying-the-framing-pitches-skill/

PETER SHORTS

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Nov 14, 2012, 3:59:06 PM11/14/12

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thanks, i knew i'd seen it somewhere. i read an update recently that said jose molina was worth 50 runs last year alone. that's 5 wins, just with framing. no team with a mediocre catcher and bad defense should ever pay a lot for a good tampa bay pitcher who tests the free agent market.

shananagin

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:30:54 PM11/14/12

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"Wayback1918" wrote in message
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ya.... very good