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bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:17:39 AM6/15/13
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# THEY NEVER WIN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA: The despicable Yankees fall
to the Angels, those heavenly creatures, 5-2.
to the Angels, those heavenly creatures, 5-2.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:20:20 AM6/15/13
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# This Zunino on Seattle, he's a great catching prospect, and he hit
his first homer last night.
his first homer last night.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:22:40 AM6/15/13
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# My take on Masterson? Great kid, but I'd call him a great #3 starter
or an okay #2. Not an ace. Struggles too much against lefties.
or an okay #2. Not an ace. Struggles too much against lefties.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:23:56 AM6/15/13
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# If I could pick 2 athletes and erase all their injuries, they would
be Bobby Orr and Gale Sayers. Maybe Walton. Or Tony C. Fidrych.
be Bobby Orr and Gale Sayers. Maybe Walton. Or Tony C. Fidrych.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:26:02 AM6/15/13
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# It's not the first time I've said this, but I would bet $1000 that
Wade Boggs could get to 1B after a swing faster than Ellsbury.
Wade Boggs could get to 1B after a swing faster than Ellsbury.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:26:39 AM6/15/13
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# It's just something weird about Jacoby. He's lightning from 1B or 2B
to any base, including home, but doesn't get down the line that fast.
to any base, including home, but doesn't get down the line that fast.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:29:07 AM6/15/13
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# Forgot to mention that Bogaerts, in addition to 2 hits, a walk, and
a homer in his AAA debut, had a SB, a good play, and cured polio.
a homer in his AAA debut, had a SB, a good play, and cured polio.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:30:09 AM6/15/13
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# Bogaerts reminds me of John Tavares, the great Islanders centre.
Terrific talent, to be sure, but plays hard and is driven to improve.
Terrific talent, to be sure, but plays hard and is driven to improve.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:30:50 AM6/15/13
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# You don't have blips so far in Xander's career. No "adjusting to a
new level" or bouts of immaturity/underachieving a la Hanley.
new level" or bouts of immaturity/underachieving a la Hanley.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:32:07 AM6/15/13
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# The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
he becomes the best player on earth."
he becomes the best player on earth."
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:35:37 AM6/15/13
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# Today's inductee to the Twitter Hall of the Very Good is Mike Smith,
a LF who's 68th all-time in OBP, and once had 34 wins as a LHP.
a LF who's 68th all-time in OBP, and once had 34 wins as a LHP.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:36:03 AM6/15/13
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# Smith, as anonymous as his name might indicate, pitched in the
majors from 1886-89, and then returned as a LF from 1892-1901.
majors from 1886-89, and then returned as a LF from 1892-1901.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:36:15 AM6/15/13
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# As a pitcher, Smith was 75-57, 3.35 (112 ERA+), completing 122 of
136 starts, plus an additional 13 appearances in relief.
136 starts, plus an additional 13 appearances in relief.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:36:37 AM6/15/13
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# At the plate, Smith hit .310/.398/.434 (126 OPS+) in 1237 games.
Per 162, he averaged 120 runs, 18 3B, 87 RBI, 31 SB, and 84 walks.
Per 162, he averaged 120 runs, 18 3B, 87 RBI, 31 SB, and 84 walks.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:36:51 AM6/15/13
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# Elmer Ellsworth Smith was born in Pittsburgh in 1868. Not much is
known about his early years, including the reason he was called Mike.
known about his early years, including the reason he was called Mike.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:37:03 AM6/15/13
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# Another Elmer Smith (no relation) played OF from 1914-25, won 2
rings, and hit the first grand slam in World Series history in 1920.
rings, and hit the first grand slam in World Series history in 1920.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:37:15 AM6/15/13
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# Mike Smith began pitching in the minors in 1886, at 18, and joined
the American Association's Cincinnati Reds that September.
the American Association's Cincinnati Reds that September.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:37:37 AM6/15/13
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# Smith went 4-4, 3.72 in 9 starts, completing 8, while batting .286.
He impressed the Reds enough to make their 1887 rotation.
He impressed the Reds enough to make their 1887 rotation.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:37:47 AM6/15/13
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# Still a teenager, Smith was dominant, going 34-17 with a league-best
2.94 ERA (148 ERA+). He completed 49 of 52 starts (447 innings).
2.94 ERA (148 ERA+). He completed 49 of 52 starts (447 innings).
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:37:58 AM6/15/13
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# Smith had another strong year in 1888 (22-17, 2.74, 113 ERA+),
though he made "only" 40 starts (completing all but three).
though he made "only" 40 starts (completing all but three).
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:38:18 AM6/15/13
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# Smith struggled in 1889 (9-12, 4.88), his last year as a full-time
pitcher, though his 2-17-.277 line in 83 AB hinted at a new future.
pitcher, though his 2-17-.277 line in 83 AB hinted at a new future.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:38:30 AM6/15/13
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# Smith spent 1890-91 as a full-time left fielder in the minors, and
returned to the bigs with his hometown Pirates in 1892.
returned to the bigs with his hometown Pirates in 1892.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:38:39 AM6/15/13
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# The 24-year-old Smith hit well (.274/.375/.384, 128 OPS+, 86 runs,
22 SB, 82 walks), and also went 6-7, 3.63 as a fill-in pitcher.
22 SB, 82 walks), and also went 6-7, 3.63 as a fill-in pitcher.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:38:59 AM6/15/13
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# Smith had his best year in 1893, batting .346/.435/.525 (158 OPS+)
with 121 runs, 23 triples, 103 RBI, 26 SB, 77 walks, and just 23 SO.
with 121 runs, 23 triples, 103 RBI, 26 SB, 77 walks, and just 23 SO.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:39:10 AM6/15/13
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# Smith scored a career-high 128 runs in just 126 games in 1894,
adding 19 triples, 34 steals, and a .357/.440/.539 line (137 OPS+).
adding 19 triples, 34 steals, and a .357/.440/.539 line (137 OPS+).
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:39:20 AM6/15/13
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# Smith's numbers look good in 1895 (.302/.380/.388, 89 runs, 81 RBI,
34 SB), but the league hit .296/.361/.400; his OPS+ was just 102.
34 SB), but the league hit .296/.361/.400; his OPS+ was just 102.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:39:31 AM6/15/13
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# Smith transcended the NL in 1896, however: .362/.454/.500 (155
OPS+), 121 runs, 94 RBI, 33 SB, 74 walks and just 18 strikeouts.
OPS+), 121 runs, 94 RBI, 33 SB, 74 walks and just 18 strikeouts.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:39:43 AM6/15/13
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# Smith hit .310/.408/.463 (133 OPS+) with 99 runs, 17 triples, and 25
steals in 1897, but the Pirates decided to trade him after the season.
steals in 1897, but the Pirates decided to trade him after the season.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:39:53 AM6/15/13
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# Smith returned to his old team, the Reds, now in the NL, and hit
.342/.425/.432 (139 OPS+) with 20 stolen bases.
.342/.425/.432 (139 OPS+) with 20 stolen bases.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:40:05 AM6/15/13
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# Smith slumped to .294 and battled injuries in 1899. He was sold to
the Giants during the 1900 season, but hit a mediocre .265 combined.
the Giants during the 1900 season, but hit a mediocre .265 combined.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:40:16 AM6/15/13
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# Smith returned to the Pirates for 4 games in 1901, but was released,
and finished his MLB career with the Boston Beaneaters.
and finished his MLB career with the Boston Beaneaters.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:40:26 AM6/15/13
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# The 33-year-old Smith returned to the minors, where he played
through 1906, hitting over .300 every season.
through 1906, hitting over .300 every season.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:40:36 AM6/15/13
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# Smith moved back to Pittsburgh after his playing days, working as a
highway inspector for about 25 years. He died in 1945 at age 77.
highway inspector for about 25 years. He died in 1945 at age 77.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:40:47 AM6/15/13
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# The long-forgotten Smith got no HOF support, and falls short on the
monitors, even if you combine his pitching and hitting.
monitors, even if you combine his pitching and hitting.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:41:09 AM6/15/13
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# Smith didn't play for pennant winners, never led in any offensive
stats, and specialized in OBP, making it easy to fall under the radar.
stats, and specialized in OBP, making it easy to fall under the radar.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:41:20 AM6/15/13
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# Smith does have 2 HOF comps as a hitter (Ross Youngs, Elmer Flick),
as well as HOVGers Tip O'Neill and Ginger Beaumont.
as well as HOVGers Tip O'Neill and Ginger Beaumont.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:41:31 AM6/15/13
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# At age 33, despite playing his first few years as a pitcher, Smith's
comp list also includes Griffey Sr. Veach, Lofton, and Dixie Walker.
comp list also includes Griffey Sr. Veach, Lofton, and Dixie Walker.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:41:41 AM6/15/13
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# At the time he stopped pitching, Smith had 2 HOF comps, albeit
from completely different eras (Bob Feller and Chief Bender).
from completely different eras (Bob Feller and Chief Bender).
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:41:55 AM6/15/13
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# While Smith was not an all-time great, he's one of the best--and
surely the most underrated--pitcher to hitter convert.
surely the most underrated--pitcher to hitter convert.
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:42:07 AM6/15/13
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# Smith is one of only 5 players with 15+ WAR as a pitcher and then
15+ WAR as a position player (Ruth, Ward, Bob Caruthers, Dave Foutz).
15+ WAR as a position player (Ruth, Ward, Bob Caruthers, Dave Foutz).
bismotwitter
Jun 15, 2013, 7:42:21 AM6/15/13
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# Smith had a better pitching record than Cy Seymour, and a better
hitting record than Joe Wood, the other 2 notable pitcher-to-hitters.
hitting record than Joe Wood, the other 2 notable pitcher-to-hitters.
kfa...@nycap.rr.com
Jun 15, 2013, 8:44:49 AM6/15/13
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STFU SPAMMER
Don Violette
Jun 15, 2013, 11:17:02 AM6/15/13
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<<(bismotwitter)
# THEY NEVER WIN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA: The despicable Yankees fall to
the Angels, those heavenly creatures, 5-2. >>
so the lead over tee atays at 3. now if the could just find a way to
beat the damned orioles.
--
"Okay, if you're going to question the
importance of an actor's signature on a
plastic helmet from a movie based on a
comic book then all of our lives have no
meaning"!!!
# THEY NEVER WIN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA: The despicable Yankees fall to
the Angels, those heavenly creatures, 5-2. >>
so the lead over tee atays at 3. now if the could just find a way to
beat the damned orioles.
--
"Okay, if you're going to question the
importance of an actor's signature on a
plastic helmet from a movie based on a
comic book then all of our lives have no
meaning"!!!
Don Violette
Jun 15, 2013, 11:28:40 AM6/15/13
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<<(bismotwitter)
# The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
he becomes the best player on earth." >>
high praise from eric to be sure but if i recall he's even more prone
to extreme hyperbole than you are.
# The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
he becomes the best player on earth." >>
high praise from eric to be sure but if i recall he's even more prone
to extreme hyperbole than you are.
Don Violette
Jun 15, 2013, 11:22:47 AM6/15/13
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<<(bismotwitter)
# Forgot to mention that Bogaerts, in addition to 2 hits, a walk, and a
homer in his AAA debut, had a SB, a good play, and cured polio.>>
any bets on him contributing to the big team before the season is over?
# Forgot to mention that Bogaerts, in addition to 2 hits, a walk, and a
homer in his AAA debut, had a SB, a good play, and cured polio.>>
any bets on him contributing to the big team before the season is over?
nate
Jun 15, 2013, 12:37:05 PM6/15/13
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On Jun 15, 7:20 am, bismotwitter <bi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> # This Zunino on Seattle, he's a great catching prospect, and he hit
> his first homer last night.
And, a couple few days or so before, old friend Dave Aardsma got a job
with the Mets. This means that the season-long bookends of Fernando
Abad and Ben Zobrist have now been eclipsed by Dave Aardsme and Mike
Zunino.
- nate
> # This Zunino on Seattle, he's a great catching prospect, and he hit
> his first homer last night.
And, a couple few days or so before, old friend Dave Aardsma got a job
with the Mets. This means that the season-long bookends of Fernando
Abad and Ben Zobrist have now been eclipsed by Dave Aardsme and Mike
Zunino.
- nate
nate
Jun 15, 2013, 12:44:35 PM6/15/13
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On Jun 15, 11:28 am, DonFromBa...@webtv.net (Don Violette) wrote:
> <<(bismotwitter)
> # The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
> he becomes the best player on earth." >>
>
> high praise from eric to be sure but if i recall he's even more prone
> to extreme hyperbole than you are.
A 0.00000000000102% chance is still non-zero.
> <<(bismotwitter)
> # The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
> he becomes the best player on earth." >>
>
> high praise from eric to be sure but if i recall he's even more prone
> to extreme hyperbole than you are.
- nate
Steve Robbins
Jun 16, 2013, 3:35:01 PM6/16/13
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Don Violette <DonFro...@webtv.net> wrote:
> <<(bismotwitter)
> # The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
> he becomes the best player on earth." >>
>
> high praise from eric to be sure but if i recall he's even more prone
> to extreme hyperbole than you are.
Maybe he is good at math, but should work on English. I have a non-zero
> <<(bismotwitter)
> # The estimable Eric Van on Bogaerts: "There is a non-zero chance that
> he becomes the best player on earth." >>
>
> high praise from eric to be sure but if i recall he's even more prone
> to extreme hyperbole than you are.
chance of being the best player on earth just because I am still breathing.
Steve Robbins
Jun 16, 2013, 3:35:03 PM6/16/13
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Don Violette <DonFro...@webtv.net> wrote:
> <<(bismotwitter)
> # Forgot to mention that Bogaerts, in addition to 2 hits, a walk, and a
> homer in his AAA debut, had a SB, a good play, and cured polio.>>
>
> any bets on him contributing to the big team before the season is over?
If he has nothing to prove by the time rosters expand, it is a possibility.
> <<(bismotwitter)
> # Forgot to mention that Bogaerts, in addition to 2 hits, a walk, and a
> homer in his AAA debut, had a SB, a good play, and cured polio.>>
>
> any bets on him contributing to the big team before the season is over?
It all depends whether they feel he needs the AAA at bats or some exposure
to major league pitching.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 4:59:58 PM6/16/13
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@Don: I don't take the Orioles too seriously. They're hot and Boston
is cold this weekend, but things could change quickly.
is cold this weekend, but things could change quickly.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:01:22 PM6/16/13
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@Don: Sounds trite, but if Bogaerts keeps hitting like this,
absolutely he'll force his way into the lineup before 2014.
absolutely he'll force his way into the lineup before 2014.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:02:26 PM6/16/13
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@Don: I think there's a good chance he'd get called up by September,
unless Drew/WMB hit like crazy.
unless Drew/WMB hit like crazy.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:02:39 PM6/16/13
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@Steve: Agreed.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:03:45 PM6/16/13
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@Don: Van the Man does have a tendency to get overly excited by small
samples, but I love that quote. He's a Vulcan, in a good way.
samples, but I love that quote. He's a Vulcan, in a good way.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:04:33 PM6/16/13
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@Nate: Yes, in that sense Eric is covering his mathematical arse. But
hey, Lloyd Christmas had just as small a shot with Mary Samsonite.
hey, Lloyd Christmas had just as small a shot with Mary Samsonite.
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:04:50 PM6/16/13
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@Steve: LOL!
bismotwitter
Jun 16, 2013, 5:06:31 PM6/16/13
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@Nate: That's right, but look out for Cubs minor leaguer Tony Zych.
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