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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:41:54 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:41 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat grew up near Pittsburgh and signed with Branch Rickey’s
Pirates in 1952. The 21-year-old went straight to the majors.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:42:13 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:42 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat was 3rd in the 1952 Rookie of the Year vote, hitting .284 in
95 games, though he had just 8 extra-base hits and a 74 OPS+.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:42:31 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:42 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat served in the Army in 1953-54. He returned to the Pirates,
playing a good SS but hitting a soft .267 and .273 in 1955-56.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:42:47 -0400
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Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat improved to .315/.350/.437 (113 OPS+) in 1957. He hit .300
with 36 doubles in 1958, but fell to .275 in 1959.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:43:00 -0400
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat won the batting title (.325/.371/.394, 110 OPS+) in 1960, and
surprisingly also won the MVP by a landslide.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:43:18 -0400
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Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Clemente (.314/.357/.458) felt he deserved MVP. Groat’s WAR was
higher--but Mays, Aaron, and Banks were superior to both Pirates.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:43:34 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:43 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat hit just .214 in the 1960 World Series, but his double play
partner, Bill Mazeroski, hit the HR that made Pittsburgh champions.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:43:45 -0400
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Subject: Tweet 8/30
# After solid seasons in 1961-62, the talented but directionless
Cardinals traded for Groat, who gave St. Louis veteran leadership.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:44:04 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:44 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# The Cardinals of that era were fascinating: Musial on his way out,
Brock on his way in, Gibson, Flood, Boyer, McCarver, White, Uecker.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:44:21 -0400
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Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat was MVP runner-up in 1963, his best year: .319/.377/.450 (128
OPS+), 85 runs, 73 RBI, 201 hits, 11 triples, NL-best 43 doubles.
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bismotwitter <bi... @ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:44:41 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:44 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat hit .292 in 1964, and helped the Cardinals come together to
mount a furious comeback and steal the pennant from Philadelphia.
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bismotwitter <bi... @ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:44:54 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:44 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# As in 1960, Groat didn’t hit well in the 1964 World Series, but his
team still defeated the favored Yankees in 7 games.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:45:09 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:45 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat’s 1964 World Series highlight was probably Game 4, when he
pulled the hidden-ball trick on a napping Mickey Mantle.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:45:21 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:45 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat s numbers plummeted in 1965, and he was traded to the Phillies
after the season (with Bill White and Bob Uecker).
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:45:36 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:45 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat was durable but mediocre for Philadelphia in 1966. He split
1967 between the Phils and Giants, hitting .156 in 44 games.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:45:47 -0400
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Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat retired at age 36. He was on 6 HOF ballots but never topped
2%. He does have one HOF comp (Dave Bancroft).
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:46:00 -0400
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Interestingly, Groat does do well on Bill James’ HOF Monitor, due in
large part to his MVP and two World Series rings.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:46:13 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:46 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# After his MLB career, Groat returned to his basketball roots. He s
been a radio color commentator for U-Pitt since 1979.
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:46:38 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 30 2012 6:46 pm
Subject: Tweet 8/30
# Groat was name-checked in a classic Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry
David thought the fictional Groat’s Syndrome was named for Dick.
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From:
DonFromBa... @webtv.net (Don Violette)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:41:50 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 31 2012 7:41 am
Subject: Re: Tweet 8/30
<<(bismotwitter)
# MITT NOM'NEE: Tonight is the night Governor Romney has spent his
entire life preparing for. Good luck, sir! >>
Gee, I'd have thought it might be the night he actually wins the
election. Or is sworn in.
-- "Okay, if you're going to question the importance of an actor's signature on a
plastic helmet from a movie based on a comic book then all of our lives have no
meaning"!!!
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DonFromBa... @webtv.net (Don Violette)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:50:12 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 31 2012 7:50 am
Subject: Re: Tweet 8/30
<<(bismotwitter)
# There is no bigger J.D. Drew fan on the planet than this reporter, but
let's not pretend he was a "great" signing. >>
At 14 mil a year he was waaaaaaaaay over paid.
-- "Okay, if you're going to question the importance of an actor's signature on a
plastic helmet from a movie based on a comic book then all of our lives have no
meaning"!!!
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DonFromBa... @webtv.net (Don Violette)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:52:54 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 31 2012 7:52 am
Subject: Re: Tweet 8/30
<<(bismotwitter)
# Drew was underrated and unfairly maligned, but it's not like he put up
5 monster years, either, and Epstein bid against himself. >>
Worst thing a GM can do?
-- "Okay, if you're going to question the importance of an actor's signature on a
plastic helmet from a movie based on a comic book then all of our lives have no
meaning"!!!
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:37:22 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 31 2012 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: Tweet 8/30
@Don: After last night, I'd say Governor Romney might want to work on
that acceptance speech and inauguration.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:38:15 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 31 2012 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Tweet 8/30
@Don: I agree. Drew was a valuable player, for sure, but his salary
was not cheap, and I don't think anyone else would've paid it.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:39:29 -0400
Local: Fri, Aug 31 2012 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Tweet 8/30
@Don: Pretty much. Hell, the Yanks did it with A-Fraud after he opted
out. No way would anyone have come close to that deal.
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