Bard - Mirrabelli - Loretta
JohnnyatBurgerKing
with the reason we traded Mirabelli, which was Loretta. We got an excellent
starting second baseman, for a back up catcher.
Would you give back Loretta if you could have Mirabelli back?
here@boo.ya John
"JohnnyatBurgerKing" <soxf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Would you give back Loretta if you could have Mirabelli back?
No
Dano58
Gordon Edes of the Globe hinted somewhere (perhaps one of his chats or
his mailbag) that the Sox did not like something about him that wasn't
baseball-related.... I got the sense it was a clubhouse issue. I wish I
could recall it as it really piqued my interest, and would explain why
there wasn't any effort to try and get him back after Flaherty retired.
Wish I could find the Edes reference.
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Dan D
Central NJ USA
Dano58
Love your work. This Sunday, you had this to say about Doug Mirabelli:
"For all he did while he was here, there is some feeling among club
officials that the time had come for Mirabelli to move on." What is the
insight as to why that feeling exists?
Carl Bruce, Ridgefield, Conn.
A: Carl, I made that deliberately vague in the paper, which I suppose
raises even more questions and probably wasn't fair, for that reason.
Let's just say I heard from a club official that while they appreciated
the contributions Mirabelli made while he was here, there were some
minor aggravations that made them willing to look in another direction.
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Anyone have any idea what this means?
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McDuck
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No idea, but, so stated, it has to be viewed as a cheap shot.
--McDuck
The Hip Lord Teddy of RedSoxia
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Teddy
Bob-Nob
> "Dano58" <dan.d...@gmail.com> wrote...
>> Has anyone seen heard of why the Sox actually did trade Mirabelli?
>> Gordon Edes of the Globe hinted somewhere (perhaps one of his chats or
>> his mailbag) that the Sox did not like something about him that wasn't
>> baseball-related.... I got the sense it was a clubhouse issue.
<snip>
> If I recall, he is quite the good ole boy, i.e. a racist, homophobe.
Source/evidence? I didn't see the episode (so I can't speak as
to how he comported himself), but he was one of the Queer Eye for the
Straight Guy players, for whatever that's worth.
Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer
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D-word
Agreed. That's a common phenomenon among fans in Boston, the minute a
player leaves, someone attempts to discredit their character in some
way. It makes them feel better about the player leaving. Just because
the source is a media personality doesn't give it any more credibility
than if someone here made a similar attack on his character and
provided no details. In fact, given how gossipy and incompetent
members of the Boston area media are, it is even less credible.
Randy RI
I would if I had Tony G. That way I have a solid second baseman and a
solid backup catcher who can catch the knuckler instad of just a solid
second baseman.
~Randy~
Jim Tiberio
complimentary, maybe there was some truth to it.
The Hip Lord Teddy of RedSoxia
"Bob-Nob" <rpmac...@note.amherst.edu> wrote in message
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> The Hip Lord Teddy of RedSoxia venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> "Dano58" <dan.d...@gmail.com> wrote...
>
>>> Has anyone seen heard of why the Sox actually did trade Mirabelli?
>>> Gordon Edes of the Globe hinted somewhere (perhaps one of his chats or
>>> his mailbag) that the Sox did not like something about him that wasn't
>>> baseball-related.... I got the sense it was a clubhouse issue.
>
> <snip>
>
>> If I recall, he is quite the good ole boy, i.e. a racist, homophobe.
>
> Source/evidence? I didn't see the episode (so I can't speak as
> to how he comported himself), but he was one of the Queer Eye for the
> Straight Guy players, for whatever that's worth.
>
I can't recall where I heard/read that, so it is purely hearsay....but it
does stick in my mind.
This from a guy who really liked him.
Teddy
D-word
> The Hip Lord Teddy of RedSoxia venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
> Source/evidence? I didn't see the episode (so I can't speak as
> to how he comported himself), but he was one of the Queer Eye for the
> Straight Guy players, for whatever that's worth.
Actually, I did see the episode, and one of the Sox came across as
really uptight and probably homophobic on Queer Eye. What we saw was
highly edited, so they may have just inserted one or two awkward
moments. The players who were on the show were: Millar, Damon, Varitek,
Wakefield and Mirabelli. I can't remember which one for certain, but it
might have been either Mirabelli or Wake. Millar and Damon seemed
perfectly at home, although I don't remember much about Varitek.
(Don't take my limited memory of the show as validation of anything.)
realitytv.about.com/od/queereye/ss/QuuerSox.htm
Being a homophobe isn't exactly an admirable trait, but unless the guy
is like John Rocker what does it really mean? There aren't a lot of
gay men (out) in professional locker rooms -- for a good reason.
D-word
Loretta is irrelevant to the question of Bard's competence.
John Fariss
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AllYou!
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Bard's existence on this club is relevant to the issue of Mirrabelli's
departures, and Mirrabelli's departure is relevant to Loretta's
existence here. They are all inter-related, although I do agree that
the issue of whether or not someone better than Bard could've been
had.
Lyford
"McDuck" <wallymcdu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >the contributions Mirabelli made while he was here, there were some
> >minor aggravations that made them willing to look in another direction.
> >--------------------------------
> >Anyone have any idea what this means?
>
> No idea, but, so stated, it has to be viewed as a cheap shot.
I hate doing this, but I'm going to anyway, because maybe someone else heard
the same thing and this will stimulate his synapses and he'll remember
better than I.
Or I dreamed it.
I have the perception of having heard one of the 'EEI hosts/guests at one
point in time, shortly after the trade, make a comment about Mirabelli in
regards to WBZ's sports reporter Jon Miller. Miller apparently, if I
remember and heard correctly, has some physical condition, I don't know
what, that Mirabelli was apparently mocking, I don't know how, in the locker
room, I'm not sure when or where.
This may or may not be a true story that I heard, unless I didn't.
But I think I did...
unforgiven
> I hate doing this, but I'm going to anyway, because maybe someone else heard
> the same thing and this will stimulate his synapses and he'll remember
> better than I.
>
> Or I dreamed it.
>
> I have the perception of having heard one of the 'EEI hosts/guests at one
> point in time, shortly after the trade, make a comment about Mirabelli in
> regards to WBZ's sports reporter Jon Miller. Miller apparently, if I
> remember and heard correctly, has some physical condition, I don't know
> what, that Mirabelli was apparently mocking, I don't know how, in the locker
> room, I'm not sure when or where.
>
> This may or may not be a true story that I heard, unless I didn't.
>
> But I think I did...
>
>
Me too, but my recollection is from a written source, since I
don't get WEEI. And I recall the report saying that Red Sox
management reprimanded Mirabelli more than once, asked him not
to mock the person, but Mirabelli did not stop.
But, I don't care if Mirabelli was the nicest guy in the world,
I'd still trade him for Loretta.
Fred Burton
AllYou! wrote in message ...
Exactly correct. You cannot analyze the issue of Mirabelli's departure in a
vacuum. You have to ask if the Sox would be a better team
a) with Mirabelli as the backup catcher and with another second baseman
(probably Graffanino) or b) with Loretta at 2B and with Bard
as the backup catcher.
I also suppose that the Sox could try to trade for another backup catcher,
if they eventually decide that Bard's not good enough. But given that the
backup catcher's job on the Sox is to catch Wakefield, which may be just
about the toughest catching job in all of MLB, I doubt that the Sox would
foist that on any new catcher midseason unless the situation was desperate.
(Or they could re-acquire Mirabelli.)
Aldo Cella
Re: Bard - Mirrabelli - Loretta
(Dano58) wrote
Gordon Edes of the Globe hinted somewhere (perhaps one of his chats or
clubhouse issue.
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Ive seen interviews wth Ortiz and other 2005 members of the club and
many times it was mentioned on how much Millar and Mirabelli would be
missed in the Sox clubhouse.
There is great protection amongst the players for their own, they/re
like cops.
I used to run the Jimmy Fund golf Tournament and outing at the Colonial
in Lynnfield, Ma. in the eighties. I was quite surprised to find out who
the shitheads and the good guys were when you met them in person.
Rice signed until his arm fell off.
Stanley loved the kids..
Tiant was great... Still is today.
Gedman was a jerk.
Roger refused to sign for my daughters.
You neve know untill you interface with these guys.
One more thing. Steve Carlton did a card show with us one time. He made
me change all the styrofoam coffee cups to china because he ws an
environment freak. What a prick.
Did you ever try to walk around with a fucking cup and saucer while
flippng thru memorabilia.
McDuck
quacked:
>One more thing. Steve Carlton did a card show with us one time. He made
>me change all the styrofoam coffee cups to china because he ws an
>environment freak. What a prick.
>Did you ever try to walk around with a fucking cup and saucer while
>flippng thru memorabilia.
No, I've never been to a memorabilia event. But I do know that the old
styrofoam cups were an environmental menace. Nice that Carlton knew
and cared.
There are lots of replacements, however, other than cups and saucers.
Perhaps mugs. Now, of course, most styrofoam cups are gone from places
like McD's etc., and for good reason. And the substitutes are fine.
Perhaps your incident was a while ago, when good substitutes were not
easily available.
--McDuck
Aldo Cella
etc., and for good reason. And the substitutes are fine. Perhaps your
incident was a while ago, when good substitutes were not easily
available.
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The event took place in 1988. Styrofoam really has no place in our
environment, but i was really pissed off at 7am on a cold winter morning
when the show was about to start at 830 am.
Plus the ass charged $30.00 for his autograph.
Thats another thing that pisses me off.... Im going to start another
thread about that crap.
D-word
> We must include all, "Bard Can't carry Mirabelli's jock strap" discussions
> with the reason we traded Mirabelli, which was Loretta.
No, we really musn't. We didn't have to before, and we certainly don't
have to now. <lol>
Once illogical, always illogical.