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Gnork

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Sep 1, 2008, 7:37:07 PM9/1/08
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Jeff Bailey just hit another HR. I have always said he could be a
productive bench player given his power, plate discipline and
versatility.He really hasn't received much playing time, but he is
making the most of the little time he gets. he can bring power from
the bench and help his team win. Keep him on the roster.

Wayback1918

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Sep 1, 2008, 7:39:19 PM9/1/08
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How about a good word for the guy who hit the homerun right before him?

Gnork

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Sep 1, 2008, 7:47:00 PM9/1/08
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Varitek has returned from the dead. He is doing decent for a catcher
for the last few weeks. I hope he can keep it up thru the rest of the
season. Hell, I hope he and Bailey go back to back again this game.

Now, how about a good word for Bailey who is barfbagging opposing
pitchers to a .296 .367 .556 tune.

Wayback1918

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Sep 1, 2008, 7:51:43 PM9/1/08
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Fair enough....He certainly has major league power.

Richard Carlisle

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Sep 1, 2008, 7:55:46 PM9/1/08
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT), Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Should they keep the guy who hit the home run before him, on the
roster?

RC
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If you think there is anything even close to resembling a
reason for supporting JD Drew much less continuing to play
him then you really are a brain dead, mentally retarded
stupid idiot.

DonFromBarre 9/6/07

Gnork

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Sep 1, 2008, 8:12:09 PM9/1/08
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On Sep 1, 4:55 pm, Richard Carlisle <RCC...@cola.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT), Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Jeff Bailey just hit another HR. I have always said he could be a
> >productive bench player given his power, plate discipline and
> >versatility.He really hasn't received much playing time, but he is
> >making the most of the little time he gets. he can bring power from
> >the bench and help his team win. Keep him on the roster.
>
> Should they keep the guy who hit the home run before him, on the
> roster?
>
Until the season is over. Do you favor long term contracts for soon to
be 38 year olfd catchers hitting in the .220s and who went thru one of
the lengthiest and least productive stretches within a season in
recent history, that being close to 3 months of hitting .167 or so
with no power and massive strikeouts?

kate

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Sep 1, 2008, 8:20:51 PM9/1/08
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Gnork wrote:

Maybe not loonnng term, but the Sox are doing well and he's part of the
reason, imo. Hopefully the front offices' too. We'll see.

OceanView

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Sep 1, 2008, 8:40:53 PM9/1/08
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Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:0846b9b4-2e00-45ac-9376-
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And who, it appears to me, has no arm left. They run at will on him. I
would too.

I highly respect and admire Tek and the tremendous contributions he's
made to the team, but it may be time to go. Finishing his contract with
the Sox on a high note (and wearing another ring) would be a nice end, if
that's how it works out.

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Gary

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Sep 1, 2008, 8:44:04 PM9/1/08
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT), Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com>
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>Jeff Bailey just hit another HR. I have always said he could be a

Since it is Sept.1, why wouldn't he?

Steve Robbins

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Sep 1, 2008, 9:03:42 PM9/1/08
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Even better than the dead for the last couple of weeks. 14 for 42 with
four HRs through his third AB tonight. His August numbers are
.264/.376/.431. That could be worth bringing back next year. So is it
a high point or was he suffering through injury/personal problems that
bottomed his game out?

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Wayback1918

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Sep 1, 2008, 9:06:25 PM9/1/08
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Bailey minutiae

Bailey has averaged 4.76 pitches per plate appearance. That would be
good enough to lead the league by alot if he had about 400 more ABs.
Important to those of us who count pitches.

Also 33% of his career hits have been HRs 3/9

I wonder if anyone else has less than 30 career AB and 2 world series
rings........

.........putting the cart before the horse a bit.

Gnork

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Sep 1, 2008, 9:14:28 PM9/1/08
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Post-season roster and 2009 roster. Think ahead.

Gnork

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Sep 1, 2008, 9:17:20 PM9/1/08
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Sweltering dog, he can't do that. He alreading has more than 30 career
at bats. He should add quite a few more this month.

He also has added 2 more BB following his HR tonight.

Richard Carlisle

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Sep 1, 2008, 9:27:37 PM9/1/08
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:12:09 -0700 (PDT), Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 1, 4:55 pm, Richard Carlisle <RCC...@cola.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT), Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Jeff Bailey just hit another HR. I have always said he could be a
>> >productive bench player given his power, plate discipline and
>> >versatility.He really hasn't received much playing time, but he is
>> >making the most of the little time he gets. he can bring power from
>> >the bench and help his team win. Keep him on the roster.
>>
>> Should they keep the guy who hit the home run before him, on the
>> roster?
>>
>Until the season is over. Do you favor long term contracts for soon to
>be 38 year olfd catchers hitting in the .220s and who went thru one of
>the lengthiest and least productive stretches within a season in
>recent history, that being close to 3 months of hitting .167 or so
>with no power and massive strikeouts?


No I don't favor long term contracts for older players. I am asking
about whether you think the Sox should keep him for another year or
two?

Seems to me that until recently, many in this group have called for
his immediate replacement. Don't hear much about that now. Wonder why?

It is the same old tune. A guy goes into a slump and many are calling
for his head until he comes out of the slump.

Gary

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Sep 1, 2008, 9:44:06 PM9/1/08
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:17:20 -0700 (PDT), Gnork <gn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


>Sweltering dog, he can't do that. He alreading has more than 30 career
>at bats. He should add quite a few more this month.
>


Maybe, maybe not. Realy depends on when Lowell comes back. Until he
does, he'll play first against LHP.

Not trying to slight Bailey by the above.

I think he does have a shot to be on the prospective playoff roster,
but might be caught in a numbers game.


Tek
Cash
Casey
Youk
Pedroia
Cora
Lowrie
Bay
Ellsbury
Crisp
Kotsay
Lowell
Ross
Drew
Ortiz

Pitchers (10)

Lester
Beckett
DiceK
Wakefield
Papelbon
Delcarman
Lopez
Masterson
Oki
Byrd or Timlin


Unless there's an injury, I don't see how he makes the playoff roster.

S/B 954RR

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Sep 2, 2008, 12:40:53 AM9/2/08
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"Gary" <golfe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Unless he is injured more than I've heard I bet Lugo makes the post season
roster too.

Gnork

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Sep 2, 2008, 3:19:57 AM9/2/08
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Ross seems unneeded. Either him or Cash. Since Ross has been with the
team several days and not gotten in a game he is most likely.

Pearly Soames

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Sep 2, 2008, 3:38:21 AM9/2/08
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OK, I will.

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stupid? He doesn't save stupid people, Abel. "

Wayback1918

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Sep 2, 2008, 5:43:17 AM9/2/08
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> team several days and not gotten in a game he is most likely.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They did carry three catchers last year......at least for the ALDS

Steve Robbins

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Sep 2, 2008, 7:08:13 AM9/2/08
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Wasn't there a question on one of the catcher's health? Hard to
remember now, but it sure wasn't to have another good bat on the bench.

McDuck

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Sep 2, 2008, 10:06:20 AM9/2/08
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:08:13 -0600, Steve Robbins
<srobb...@no.spam.yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>Wasn't there a question on one of the catcher's health? Hard to
>remember now, but it sure wasn't to have another good bat on the bench.

I'd have thought that 3 catchers was more important in the playoffs
against the NL than the AL. Still, in a short series, I guess the risk
of health problems to starters is low, and having the extra catcher
allows for more pinch running and pinch hitting. And Timmy was not in
the playoffs, so that added flexibility.

Steve Robbins

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Sep 2, 2008, 1:17:18 PM9/2/08
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Well, it allows for more pinch running and hitting if you are doing it
for the catcher. If you need to do it for the pitcher (in NL parks),
then having 3 catchers kills some of the advantage as they are generally
slow and currently, not real good hitters. That shortens your bench by
one good hitter/runner.

Gary

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Sep 2, 2008, 7:42:06 PM9/2/08
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:40:53 -0400, "S/B 954RR" <jtib...@yahoo.com>
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In place of who?

I question whether he will be healthy enough and I don't think they
would drop Lowrie in favor of him. And last playoffs they carried
three catchers, which is why I included Ross.

Cape Cod Bob

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Sep 3, 2008, 2:43:41 AM9/3/08
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:06:20 -0400, McDuck
<wallyDELE...@comcast.net> wrote:

>I'd have thought that 3 catchers was more important in the playoffs
>against the NL than the AL.

If the Red Sox have three catchers worthy of being on the post-season
roster, why are they starting Varitek?

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Gary

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Sep 3, 2008, 6:16:51 AM9/3/08
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:43:41 -0400, Cape Cod Bob
<spambob...@spamcomcast.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:06:20 -0400, McDuck
><wallyDELE...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I'd have thought that 3 catchers was more important in the playoffs
>>against the NL than the AL.
>
>If the Red Sox have three catchers worthy of being on the post-season
>roster, why are they starting Varitek?
>

Maybe because he's the best of the three?

Pearly Soames

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Sep 3, 2008, 10:16:22 AM9/3/08
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I guess CCB hasn't noticed how well Varitek is playing lately.

PETER SHORTS

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Sep 3, 2008, 1:03:33 PM9/3/08
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On Sep 3, 2:43 am, Cape Cod Bob <spambobmethe...@spamcomcast.net>
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> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:06:20 -0400, McDuck
>
> <wallyDELETEMEMcD...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >I'd have thought that 3 catchers was more important in the playoffs
> >against the NL than the AL.
>
> If the Red Sox have three catchers worthy of being on the post-season
> roster, why are they starting Varitek?
>
> ------------
> There are no atheists in foxholes
> or in Fenway Park in an extra inning
> game.
> ____
>
> Cape Cod Bob
>
> Delete the two "spam"s for email

he's hitting .342 over the last 10 games, why wouldn't they play him?

S/B 954RR

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Sep 4, 2008, 10:28:59 PM9/4/08
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"Gary" <golfe...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:40:53 -0400, "S/B 954RR" <jtib...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Unless he is injured more than I've heard I bet Lugo makes the post season
>>roster too.
>
>
> In place of who?

I'm no sure, it just doesn't seem they'd leave him behind if he can go.

Gnork

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On Sep 4, 7:28 pm, "S/B 954RR" <jtibb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:40:53 -0400, "S/B 954RR" <jtibb...@yahoo.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >>Unless he is injured more than I've heard I bet Lugo makes the post season
> >>roster too.
>
> > In place of who?
>
> I'm no sure, it just doesn't seem they'd leave him behind if he can go.

They can and they will.

S/B 954RR

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"Gnork" <gn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I really wish they wouldn't...


BBrain

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Sep 5, 2008, 11:41:59 AM9/5/08
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"Gnork" <gn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong. That's a lot of salary
sitting on the bench, but they may figure that leaving him off the roster
will diminish his trade value.


Steve Robbins

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Sep 5, 2008, 12:03:36 PM9/5/08
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Well, it depends whether he is willing to go with a sunk cost.
Wakefield was left off one year (2004 ALDS?). Not that I call Wake a
sunk cost, but he was making a little change.

I suspect that Cora could be the odd one out so they can keep Lugo on
the roster and not make everyone mad by dropping Lowrie.

McDuck

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Sep 5, 2008, 2:03:57 PM9/5/08
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:03:36 -0600, Steve Robbins
<srobb...@no.spam.yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>I suspect that Cora could be the odd one out so they can keep Lugo on
>the roster and not make everyone mad by dropping Lowrie.

Hard to say what the RS would do in the playoffs (assuming the team
makes the playoffs) until Lugo is back and we see how he plays. He
definitely is a better player, by career stats, etc., than Cora,
although Cora is playing v. well right now.

I do not think the RS will decide about how to use Lugo in the
playoffs based on his contract or "trade value". Indeed, I doubt the
RS have any plan to trade Lugo in the off-season. It is possible that
Lugo would play in one series and not in another (assuming the RS
advance in the playoffs). Lots of options. Also, depends in part on
Casey. Lugo is more valuable than Cora as as a PG and PR, so, if
Lowrie starts, there are good baseball reasons for wanting Lugo on the
playoff roster (even for those who generally do not like Lugo). and
the RS are a bit weak on RH bats on the bench, assuming Casey is well
and makes the playoff roster.

All and all, if I had to guess right now, I'd guess as you have ---
Lugo plays, Cora sits.

S/B 954RR

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"S/B 954RR" <jtib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I do mean I really wish they wouldn't bring him back.


Dano

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Sep 5, 2008, 4:03:54 PM9/5/08
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I agree with you on that...but not on whether the team will look to move
Lugo in the off season. I can't imagine they won't at least try. Whether
they can pull it off is the question. I can't imagine taking the job away
from Lowrie at this point...and I don't think Lugo will like a backup role
or that the team wishes to pay a salary like his for a utility guy. They
may not have a choice...but how could you not try?

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