Game 63---June 12th.---Don's grade/thoughts !!!
Don V.
the first and most frequent subject in the pre-game show. Most
interesting maybe was Terry saying that he'd wanted to do it sooner but
didn't feel he could because of the need to sit people out in the NL
parks. The odd looking thing with the line up is putting Mirabelli
in the 8 hole between Coco and Julio. Almost like putting a stone wall
between two moving objects. <G>
Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
continue to make up games in the standings at the rate they have
recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
let's not mention it again.
Both players who changed batting order spots were involved in the only
two runs in a 2 - 1 win. With almost all his moves working this season
has Mr. Francona suddenly become a genius or is he just getting lucky?
This one had a feel of unfamiliarity from both teams right from the
start. For obvious reasons.
Cora running for Pedroia seemed strange. I know Youk and Dustin have
that 'who's faster' thing going but is Alex that much faster than
Dustin? Or was it an any more speed is good?
Lucky 13 for Papi? Had been 0 for 12 against that pitcher coming in.
I already called my friends who went to this one and told them they
could come home.
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Opponent: Colorado
Game data:
WIN 2 - 1
Wake 6 - 7
Papelbon S 15
Season's record: 41 - 22
Series record: 1 - 0
Trip/stand record: 1 - 0
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This game's +s and -s and STAR and comments:
Starting pitching:
Obviously Wake is the STAR with his 8 inning 1 run pitching. Maybe the
Wake haters will shut up again for a while.
Relief pitching:
Paps gets a " + " for the perfect 9th for the "prime save".
Offense:
I thought of going with Lugo for responding right of to the line up move
and contributing to one of the 2 runs, or Drew for driving in the
eventual game winner with a sac fly but Papi gets the " + " for his
3 hits, one being a double in the midst of the game winning rally.
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This game's starting pitching grade and comments: (Based on 1 to 3)
3-----Accuse me of being overly generous with this one Wally.
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This games relief pitching grade and comments: (Based on 1 to 3)
3-----One prime inning.
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This game's hitting grade and comments: (Based on 1 to 3)
1-----The change didn't help over all yet.
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This game's defense grade and comments: (Based on 1 to 3)
2-----Heads up play by Doug on that foul just in front of the plate.
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Season's starters grades:
14-----1s
22-----2s
26-----3s
1-----N/A
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Season's relievers grades:
11-----1s
20-----2s
30-----3s
2-----N/A
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Season's offensive grades:
26----1s
20-----2s
17-----3s
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Season's defensive grades:
10-----1s
41-----2s
12-----3s
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STARS:
Management 2
Wake 5
Dice-K 3
Beckett 3
Lowell 3
Cora 2
Manny 2
Curt 2
Drew 1
Tavarez 1
Paps 1
Big Papi 1
Wily Mo 1
Lugo 1
Hinske 1
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GOATS
Wake 1
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Management: + 5 / - 1 = + 4
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STARTERS +s & -s:
Schilling + 12 / - 4 = + 8
Beckett + 9 / - 1 = + 8
Dice-K + 11 / - 3 = + 8
Wake + 13 / - 5 = + 8
Tavarez + 6 / - 3 = + 3
Gabbard + 1
Hansack - 1
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RELIEVERS +S & -s:
Okajima + 10
Paps + 7 / - 2 = + 5
Lopez + 4
Snyder + 3 / - 1 - + 2
Romero + 3 / - 3 = 0
Donnelly + 2 / - 2 = 0
Timlin - 2
Pineiro + 3 / - 9 = - 6
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OFFENSE +s & -s:
Papi + 10
Youk + 8
Lowell + 8 / - 1 = + 7
Manny + 6
Pedroia + 6
Cora + 4
Wily Mo + 4 / - 1 = + 3
Mirabelli + 2
Lugo + 6 / - 4 = + 2
Varitek + 4 / - 3 = + 1
Hinske + 1 / - 1 = 0
Drew + 4 / - 4 = 0
Coco + 1 / - 2 = - 1
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DEFENSE:
Coco + 4
Drew + 1
Pedroia + 1
Mirabelli + 1
Hinske + 1
Timlin - 1
Lowell - 2
Wily Mo - 2
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Record by week:
Week 1: 3 - 3 / Week 2: 3-1 /Week 3: 6 - 1 Week 4: 4 - 3/ April 16 -8/
Week 5: 4 - 2/ Week 6: 5 - 1 / Week 7: 5 - 2/
Week 8: 4 - 2 /Week 9: 3 - 3/ Week 10: 3 -
4/Week 11: 1- 0 /May 20 - 8/ June 5 - 6/
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Series record: 15 - 5 - 2
Series sweeps: 6 - 1
Road trips: 3 - 1 - 2
Road record: 21 - 12
Home record: 20 - 10
Home stands: 4 - 0 - 1
Blowouts: 14 - 6
LABW: 6
Walk off wins: 1
One run games: 11 - 6
Two run games: 7 - 3
Indoors record: 9 - 3
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vs. TEE: 7 - 5
vs. Os: 4 - 1
vs. Jays: 5 - 3
vs. Rays:
vs. East: 16 - 9
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vs. Twins: 2 - 1
vs. Royals: 2 - 1
vs Tigers: 3 - 1
vs.Indians: 2- 1
vs. White Sox:
vs. Central: 9 - 4
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vs As: 2 - 4
vs Angels: 3 - 0
vs. Rangers: 4 - 2
vs. Mariners: 2 - 1
vs. West: 11 - 7
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vs. N.L.: 5 - 2
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Vs. lefties: 8 - 8
3 run homers: 9
Grand Slams: 2
Shut outs: 4 - 4
Compete games: 2
Quality starts: 32
Saves: 21
Blown saves: 2
Prime Saves: 7
Blown Prime saves: 1
Holds 27
Red jersey record: 1 - 0
Green jersey record: 1 - 0
Pink bat record 1 - 0
Extra innings: 1 - 2
Double header record: 1 - 0 - 1
2 + rested record: 2 - 1
Okay, we know the 2007 Red Sox are better!!!Now let them continue to be
lucky too!!!
DON!!!
Magnus, Robot Fighter.
wrote:
>Not surprisingly the switch of Pedroia to lead off and Lugo to ninth was
>the first and most frequent subject in the pre-game show. Most
>interesting maybe was Terry saying that he'd wanted to do it sooner but
>didn't feel he could because of the need to sit people out in the NL
>parks. The odd looking thing with the line up is putting Mirabelli
>in the 8 hole between Coco and Julio. Almost like putting a stone wall
>between two moving objects. <G>
>
>Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
>continue to make up games in the standings at the rate they have
>recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
>let's not mention it again.
>
Well, yes, should THEY continue to play .850+ ball, then THEY deserve
to be in first place and props to them. We'll see them in the ALCS
where it will be anyone's game.
McDuck
>Obviously Wake is the STAR with his 8 inning 1 run pitching. Maybe the
>Wake haters will shut up again for a while.
I just knew you would take this opportunity to make Wake the star <g>.
Fred Burton
McDuck wrote in message <9cpu63dr9jtaqb7dl...@4ax.com>...
LOL!
I think that Don is better than that. I tend to think that ANY Sox starter
who produced an 8 inning, 1 run, 4 (?) hit performance would be deserving
of STAR treatment.
Fred Burton
Don V. wrote in message
<28018-466...@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net>...
> Relief pitching:
> Paps gets a " + " for the perfect 9th for the "prime save".
It was just about a doublely prime save. Not only was it a 1 run game,
but Paps had to face the meat of the Rockies lineup to get the job done.
Two big thumbs up for Paps tonight!!!
Lamneth
"Magnus, Robot Fighter." <m...@key.com> wrote in message
news:ghlu63huk1jluvu2f...@4ax.com...
Exactly! I am hoping that they are blowing their wad all at once here. They
are playing out of their minds right now but don't forget even though they
have been red hot, they just last night got to .500 which is encouraging.
Lyford
>
> Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
> continue to make up games in the standings at the rate they have
> recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
> let's not mention it again.
Which rate is that? They've made up 1 game in the last 6 days. Three
weeks ago this morning, they were 9 1/2 out, this morning they're 9
1/2 out. Neither of those rates is getting them to first place any
time soon. Yes, I suppose we can cherry-pick end-points to make it
look like there's a tremendous charge taking place, but that's what
happens when one team has a good week while another has a bad one,
which happened a week ago. It's just foolish to read too much into
it. The Nationals have made up 2 1/2 games against the Mets over the
last 3 weeks, and are now ... 9 1/2 games out. Anyone think that
Washington's making a charge?
Two weeks ago, far too many people were writing them off, now they've
won 7 straight and we're assuming that they aren't going to lose
again? These are probably the best two teams in the AL, they'll play
at similar rates the rest of the way. Boston may be a little better,
NY may be a little better. The difference is that the Red Sox started
well while the Yankees started badly, and therefore the Red Sox have a
decent-sized lead right now. It was silly of people to call the
division race over two weeks ago - it's equally silly to expect the
Yankees to outplay the Red Sox by 9 1/2 games over the next 3 weeks.
(This is not second-guessing or rationalization - I've said so
consistently...
http://lyflines.blogspot.com/search/label/Red%20Sox
5/21 - "There's a debate raging in the Boston media (OK, among the
nimrod WEEI hosts) about whether the division race is over yet. Of
course it's not. Historical examples of teams coming from that far
back are just not as rare as we'd like them to be. Everyone remembers
1978. The Red Sox made up a 9 game deficit in 3 weeks in 1988 (passing
5 teams in the process). Just 3 years ago, 2004, the Yankees had a 10
1/2 game lead in the East on August 14 and saw it cut to 2 1/2 three
weeks later on September 4. They held on, but everyone thought it was
over in early August, and no one thought it was over in early
September."
5/28 (NY was 21-27 at the time) - "Why am I still focused on the
Yankees, when they're behind Baltimore and Toronto? Beyond the fact
that they are the Yankees, I still believe them to be the 2nd best
team in the division. Baltimore's not going to win 90 games. Toronto's
not going to win 90 games. I still think that the Yankees could.")
I expect that the lead, when we get to July 4th (three weeks from
today), will be within about 3 games of where it is now, somewhere
between 6 1/2 and 12 1/2. And barring serious injury problems, I
expect the Red Sox to win 99-104 games and the AL East. And I expect
the Yankees to finish with the 2nd-4th best record in the AL and win
the AL Wild Card.
The Lorax
>
> Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
> continue to make up games in the standings at the rate they have
> recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
> let's not mention it again.
WHY ARE PEOPLE FREAKING OUT! (Not you, but other fans, news writers
etc.) Stop paying attention to every random game that the yankees may
gain in the standings. We had a rough stretch, it happens, they gained
a few games. Since that rough stretch we are 4-1. In those 5 games our
starters have a 1.94 ERA. The Yankees picked up ONE game because they
hit a hot streak and RJ stiffeled us. The dam has not broken and the
flood gates are not open. We are playing good baseball.
>
> Both players who changed batting order spots were involved in the only
> two runs in a 2 - 1 win. With almost all his moves working this season
> has Mr. Francona suddenly become a genius or is he just getting lucky?
For the most part good moves. This one might have been luck. Of
course, Lugo's hit could have been to alieviated pressure through
batting 9th. Good steal of third as well.
> This game's defense grade and comments: (Based on 1 to 3)
> 2-----Heads up play by Doug on that foul just in front of the plate.
I gotta go with a 3 here. I know that most games earn a 2...
> 10-----1s
> 41-----2s
> 12-----3s
...because there are games where the defense neither shines nor fails.
While this looked like one of those games in most aspects, Wake only
struck out 3. The defense was very active this game and I think they
should get some credit for this one.
And the Yanks are back to .500 for the first time since May 9 when
they were 16-16. Funny how it took a 7 game win streak to do it.
I mentioned before the 1.9ish era by our starters in the last 5 games.
We are winning some low scoring ball games and that makes me very
happy. In recent years, I don't remember many 1-0, 2-1 wins. Granted
Schill's near no-no isn't the norm, but a team who can put together
wins like these play well over a long season. I really like the team
this year.
DonFro...@webtv.net
<<LOL!
I think that Don is better than that. I tend to think that ANY Sox
starter who produced an 8 inning, 1 run, 4 (?) hit performance would be
deserving of STAR treatment.>>
I just couldn't miss a chance at a mild baiting of McDuck here. He
thinks I unfairly favor Wake. I don't think I do but anything is
possible.
--
DON !!!
"Save the cheer leader!!!
Save the world"!!!
DonFro...@webtv.net
<<This game's defense grade and comments: (Based on 1 to 3) 2-----Heads
up play by Doug on that foul just in front of the plate.
I gotta go with a 3 here. I know that most games earn a 2...
10-----1s
41-----2s
12-----3s
..because there are games where the defense neither shines nor fails.
While this looked like one of those games in most aspects, Wake only
struck out 3. The defense was very active this game and I think they
should get some credit for this one.>>
A great point that was brought up in the post game show, by Macha maybe.
I think I was in mid post and just missed it.
DonFro...@webtv.net
<<Which rate is that? They've made up 1 game in the last 6 days. Three
weeks ago this morning, they were 9 1/2 out, this morning they're 9 1/2
out. Neither of those rates is getting them to first place any time
soon. Yes, I suppose we can cherry-pick end-points to make it look like
there's a tremendous charge taking place, but that's what happens when
one team has a good week while another has a bad one, which happened a
week ago. It's just foolish to read too much into it.>>
Thanks Lyford. I feel much better. And I mean that. At least
comparable to how much it really bothered me. <G>
McDuck
quacked:
>On Jun 12, 7:13 pm, barredon42...@webtv.net (Don V.) wrote:
>>
>> Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
>> continue to make up games in the standings at the rate they have
>> recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
>> let's not mention it again.
>
>Which rate is that? They've made up 1 game in the last 6 days. Three
>weeks ago this morning, they were 9 1/2 out, this morning they're 9
>1/2 out. Neither of those rates is getting them to first place any
>time soon. Yes, I suppose we can cherry-pick end-points to make it
>look like there's a tremendous charge taking place, but that's what
>happens when one team has a good week while another has a bad one,
>which happened a week ago. It's just foolish to read too much into
>it. The Nationals have made up 2 1/2 games against the Mets over the
>last 3 weeks, and are now ... 9 1/2 games out. Anyone think that
>Washington's making a charge?
>
>Two weeks ago, far too many people were writing them off, now they've
>won 7 straight and we're assuming that they aren't going to lose
>again? These are probably the best two teams in the AL, they'll play
>at similar rates the rest of the way. Boston may be a little better,
>NY may be a little better. The difference is that the Red Sox started
>well while the Yankees started badly, and therefore the Red Sox have a
>decent-sized lead right now. It was silly of people to call the
>division race over two weeks ago - it's equally silly to expect the
>Yankees to outplay the Red Sox by 9 1/2 games over the next 3 weeks.
>
All true. I think I made the same 3-week point in another thread.
Right now, there is no race in the AL East. NYY is too far behind,
just as the Nationals are too far behind to be in the NL East race.
Things could change. The season isn't over. But NYY has to get back
into the race before it can threaten to win the race. 9 1/2 games is a
very good lead.
Fred Burton
DonFro...@webtv.net wrote in message
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Fred Burton says:
<<LOL!
I think that Don is better than that. I tend to think that ANY Sox
starter who produced an 8 inning, 1 run, 4 (?) hit performance would be
deserving of STAR treatment.>>
I just couldn't miss a chance at a mild baiting of McDuck here. He
thinks I unfairly favor Wake. I don't think I do but anything is
possible.
==========
Oh, I don't doubt that it was a chance to stick McD in the ribs.
But I still think that you would find it mighty hard not to give ANY
Sox starter who pitched an 8 inning, 1 run, 4 hits allowed outing
the STAR of the game. (Unless of course, the Sox lost 1-0, but
even then it would hardly be the fault of the pitcher, when his team
didn't give him any run support.)
Dave Bismo
<Frisbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 12, 10:13 pm, barredon42...@webtv.net (Don V.) wrote:
>
>>
>> Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
>> continue to make up games in the standings at the rate they have
>> recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
>> let's not mention it again.
>
>WHY ARE PEOPLE FREAKING OUT! (Not you, but other fans, news writers
>etc.) Stop paying attention to every random game that the yankees may
>gain in the standings. We had a rough stretch, it happens, they gained
>a few games. Since that rough stretch we are 4-1. In those 5 games our
>starters have a 1.94 ERA. The Yankees picked up ONE game because they
>hit a hot streak and RJ stiffeled us. The dam has not broken and the
>flood gates are not open. We are playing good baseball.
Methinks thoueth doth protesteth too mucheth. Rumors of the Yankees'
demise seem to have been exaggerated, to paraphrase Mr. Clemens.
-Bismo.
Lyford
> On Jun 12, 7:13 pm, barredon42...@webtv.net (Don V.) wrote:
>
> > Not sure we needed to hear this but TC points out that should THEY
> > recently THEY'LL be in first by July 4th. There, it's out there. Now
> > let's not mention it again.
>
> Which rate is that? They've made up 1 game in the last 6 days. Three
> weeks ago this morning, they were 9 1/2 out, this morning they're 9
> 1/2 out. Neither of those rates is getting them to first place any
> time soon. Yes, I suppose we can cherry-pick end-points to make it
> look like there's a tremendous charge taking place, but that's what
> happens when one team has a good week while another has a bad one,
> which happened a week ago. It's just foolish to read too much into
> it. The Nationals have made up 2 1/2 games against the Mets over the
> last 3 weeks, and are now ... 9 1/2 games out. Anyone think that
> Washington's making a charge?
> I expect that the lead, when we get to July 4th (three weeks from
> today), will be within about 3 games of where it is now, somewhere
> between 6 1/2 and 12 1/2.
So, the lead over the Yankees was 11 at the beginning of the day on
the 4th, and 12 at the end of the day on the 4th.
I almost missed it...
DonFro...@webtv.net
<<So, the lead over the Yankees was 11 at the beginning of the day on
the 4th, and 12 at the end of the day on the 4th.
I almost missed it...>>
Pretty long distant patting yourself on the back ain't this, LyFord?
Not that I'm complaining with the little attention the last 2 grade
posts got on this holiday.
OceanView
@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
Call schadenfreude, but I got great satisfaction from the two-run homer
Minnesota hit in the top of the ninth.
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