Obambicare: 38% support
O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Libs are stupid. :)
Wonder if the Senate will do as the people wish, as they are supposed
to do.
NAAAAAAH!!!
:P
Kyle Schwitters
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_11242009_520.gif
Igor
>
> Wonder if the Senate will do as the people wish, as they are supposed
> to do.
>
> NAAAAAAH!!!
>
> :P
Where, in the constitution, does it say that Congress must do the will
of the people? Nowhere. If it did, we wouldn't need Congress, and
would, instead, be ruled by a tyrannical majority.
O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Libs are stupid. :)
Then, Abby Normal, explain to me why we elect them - or anyone - for
that matter.
(this should be epic)
Ray O'Hara
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Democracy equals mobocracy
Alexander Hamilton.
Ray O'Hara
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> Ahhhh ... maybe not ...
>
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_11242009_520.gif
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http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/06/public-opinion-strongly-favors-public-plan.php
actually 72% of Americans favor a public option
O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - Factmeister
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> > Ahhhh ... maybe not ...
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> http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/06/public-opinion-str...
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> actually 72% of Americans favor a public option
Try a poll more recent than June.
Fuckin', ray. Sober up before you sit in front of the keyboard, will
ya?!?
Dano
That is why our system is more properly called a representative democracy or
republic. It was never intended to be a pure democracy where every issue
was to be decided by the voters directly. Such a system would be unwieldly
and impractical to say the least. For what happens to a state under such a
principle...see California and it's current condition of near bankruptcy.
Voters will only rarely vote for distasteful but often neccessary measures.
Few enough politicians will for that matter, being beholden on the voters
for their jobs. Sadly we have many pols, but few leaders these days.
Dano
So much about poll results are determined by how the questions are framed
and set up by previous questions. A clever pollster can tailor and predict
results to his own ends...or his employer's.
Ray O'Hara
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most civil rights advances was by judicial fiat. that's how slavery was
ended in Massachusetts, right after the revolution.
the state Supreme Court noticed that the wordking of the state consitution
forbid slavery.
its now the same with gay marriage, there is plenty of precedent for such
rulings and they never get challenged,
and everybody but the cranks is happy .
Ray O'Hara
the question as posed is at the link.
Dano
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I'm not even addressing this particular poll. I have seen many times how
pollsters can lead people to answer a certain way by loading the questions
leading to the response they want to another, later question. That's just
one example of how this manipulation can be done. Sometimes it's very
subtle...others not so much. Both sides do it...sometimes I'm convinced
they don't even see it themselves. But maybe I'm too trusting.
I've gotten robo calls twice in the last week or so where the voice starts
off by asking this simple question, "Do you consider yourself to be
pro-life?". Swell. I have a choice of being for or against life itself.
Of course I then hang up...skewing the poll towards the anti-abortion crowd.
Right wing pollster's mission accomplished. Not very subtle.
Another way is to ask a question where the wording is such that people don't
think it through...giving an emotional response. Like, "Do you trust the
government to provide healthcare to every American?". A simple Google
search will turn up many contradictory polls on any number of subjects.
Here are some recent Gallup results:
http://www.gallup.com/video/124256/government-responsibility-healthcare.aspx
November 13, 2009
Fewer In U.S. See Health Coverage as Gov�t Responsibility
For the first time this decade, more Americans (50%) say providing
healthcare for all is not the government�s responsibility than say it is
(47%).
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5687505.shtml?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea
When asked what kind of health care bill Congress should pass, 51 percent of
Americans said a bill that contains a government-run health insurance plan,
or "public option." Sixteen percent said a bill without a public option,
while only 26 percent said they want no bill at all. Seven percent did not
know or had no answer.
Democrats (by 72 percent to 13 percent) and independents (by 47 percent to
15 percent) prefer a bill with a public option over a bill without one.
Among Republicans, just 23 percent want a public option, 20 percent want a
bill without it, and 51 percent want no health care reform bill at all.
Views on the overall package of reform under consideration in Congress, as
people understand it now, remain more negative (45 percent) than positive
(40 percent), and split along partisan lines. Among Republicans, 74 percent
disapprove and 20 percent approve. One quarter of Democrats disapprove of
the proposals and 57 percent approve.
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> > > Ray O'Hara wrote:
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> news:bab8f650-9642-4a27...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...> >>> Ahhhh ... maybe not ...
>
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>
> http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/06/public-opinion-str...
>
>
>
> > >> actually 72% of Americans favor a public option
>
> > > So much about poll results are determined by how the questions are
> framed
> > > and set up by previous questions. A clever pollster can tailor and
> > > predict results to his own ends...or his employer's.
>
> > the question as posed is at the link.
>
> I'm not even addressing this particular poll. I have seen many times how
> pollsters can lead people to answer a certain way by loading the questions
> leading to the response they want to another, later question. That's just
> one example of how this manipulation can be done. Sometimes it's very
> subtle...others not so much. Both sides do it...sometimes I'm convinced
> they don't even see it themselves. But maybe I'm too trusting.
>
> I've gotten robo calls twice in the last week or so where the voice starts
> off by asking this simple question, "Do you consider yourself to be
> pro-life?". Swell. I have a choice of being for or against life itself.
> Of course I then hang up...skewing the poll towards the anti-abortion crowd.
> Right wing pollster's mission accomplished. Not very subtle.
>
> Another way is to ask a question where the wording is such that people don't
> think it through...giving an emotional response. Like, "Do you trust the
> government to provide healthcare to every American?". A simple Google
> search will turn up many contradictory polls on any number of subjects.
> Here are some recent Gallup results:
>
>
> November 13, 2009
> Fewer In U.S. See Health Coverage as Gov’t Responsibility
> For the first time this decade, more Americans (50%) say providing
> healthcare for all is not the government’s responsibility than say it is
> (47%).
>
> When asked what kind of health care bill Congress should pass, 51 percent of
> Americans said a bill that contains a government-run health insurance plan,
> or "public option." Sixteen percent said a bill without a public option,
> while only 26 percent said they want no bill at all. Seven percent did not
> know or had no answer.
>
> Democrats (by 72 percent to 13 percent) and independents (by 47 percent to
> 15 percent) prefer a bill with a public option over a bill without one.
> Among Republicans, just 23 percent want a public option, 20 percent want a
> bill without it, and 51 percent want no health care reform bill at all.
>
> Views on the overall package of reform under consideration in Congress, as
> people understand it now, remain more negative (45 percent) than positive
> (40 percent), and split along partisan lines. Among Republicans, 74 percent
> disapprove and 20 percent approve. One quarter of Democrats disapprove of
> the proposals and 57 percent approve.
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