OT - In pain over death of Wellstone, Liberals dance on grave
Mr. PHP
Wellstone campaign chairman Jeff Blodgett was so broken up by the
death of his boss that he helped to blow up balloons and pour
champaign for the four-hour memorial service that degraded into a
party rally.
"I regret if people took offense or were taken by surprise ... We are
a hurting bunch here," Blodgett said, referring to campaign members?
sadness following the Eveleth plane crash that killed Wellstone, his
wife, daughter, three aides and two pilots on Friday.
Blodgett told reporters that "we really were troubled by the death of
Wellstone. It took us three hours to pick a replacement!"
Overcome with loss, Blodgett helped ease the period of mourning by
pasting "Mondale" stickers over "Wellstone for Senate" signs.
"We are just feeling some serious pain here!" said Blodgett, as he
carefully rearranged letters on some old "Save The Whales" bumper
stickers to read "Whalestone." "(Sniff), It's the best we can do"
explained Blodgett. "We only do this in the memory whats-his-name"
Blodgett later led a group of mourners to a gallery where they could
fire assault weapons at targets imprinted with the face of Charleston
Heston, and sample the latest treats from Wolfgand Puck. "We hate
assault weapons" said Blodgett, "but it really depends on who is doing
the shooting." He explained that "This helps us to actualize our
connection to the universe. It helps us to summon our wavelength with
the crystal Mothership."
David H.
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Would you please separate fact from parody?
(Is *that* the right word?...for all you wordsmiths our there)
David H.
Quixotoes
Republican.
If Republicans want equal time, they should arrange for Coleman to die.
Q
David Marc Nieporent
quix...@aol.com (Quixotoes) wrote:
>Can't stand the fact that yet again a dead man will always beat a live
>Republican.
That's not really a very flattering argument for Democrats. They have to
die if they want to get elected.
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David M. Nieporent niep...@alumni.princeton.edu
Mr. PHP
wrote:
Yes. parody is correct!
Blodgett did apologize for dancing on Wellstones grave (the first
quote), but he never did apologize for the booing of Jesse Ventura and
driving his wife out of the mob in tears.
What a class act these radicals are!
When a former-pro wrestler leaves a "memorial service" because it is
over the top, you know things were pretty crass!
It was very ugly...
m...@raybradley.com
Actually, I heard an EXTREMELY scary statistic out of Missouri shortly
after the death of Carnahan a couple of years ago during his fight
with Ashcroft. It seems that something like 18% - 20% of the people
who voted for him did not know he died. My God, if that's
true...sheesh.
My guess, and that's all it is, is that the increased name recognition
that comes from death was enough to get people to think "hey, he gets
mentioned a lot; he's got to be good." And, I'm sure that there were a
lot of straight party-line votes, too. But ...talk about uninformed
voters!
- Ray Bradley
death - the best way to improve your Q rating
Douglas T. (Doug) Massey
Lots of voters just go to the booth and vote straight ticket
Republican or straight ticket Democrat, right? They don't even
have to pay attention; they just vote their party.
Don't know if that's 18-20%, though.
Doug
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Quixotoes
Q
Charles Supha
"David Marc Nieporent" <niep...@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote in message
news:nieporen-E08771...@news-east.giganews.com...
> In article <20021031162452...@mb-dh.aol.com>,
> quix...@aol.com (Quixotoes) wrote:
>
> >Can't stand the fact that yet again a dead man will always beat a live
> >Republican.
>
> That's not really a very flattering argument for Democrats. They have to
> die if they want to get elected.
>
It already worked once for the Democrats in Missouri.
C.
Charles Supha
"Douglas T. (Doug) Massey " <mas...@valhalla.btv.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:apum1o$fpe$1...@news.btv.ibm.com...
> In article <f3796a1e.0211...@posting.google.com>,
> m...@raybradley.com (No...@Notraybradley.com) writes:
> > quix...@aol.com (Quixotoes) wrote ...
> >> Can't stand the fact that yet again a dead man will always beat a live
> >> Republican.
> >>
> >> If Republicans want equal time, they should arrange for Coleman to die.
> >>
> >> Q
> >
> > Actually, I heard an EXTREMELY scary statistic out of Missouri shortly
> > after the death of Carnahan a couple of years ago during his fight
> > with Ashcroft. It seems that something like 18% - 20% of the people
> > who voted for him did not know he died. My God, if that's
> > true...sheesh.
> >
> > My guess, and that's all it is, is that the increased name recognition
> > that comes from death was enough to get people to think "hey, he gets
> > mentioned a lot; he's got to be good." And, I'm sure that there were a
> > lot of straight party-line votes, too. But ...talk about uninformed
> > voters!
>
> Lots of voters just go to the booth and vote straight ticket
> Republican or straight ticket Democrat, right? They don't even
> have to pay attention; they just vote their party.
>
> Don't know if that's 18-20%, though.
>
> Doug
Supposedly, in real general terms, there's about 40% that'll vote straight
Republican and 40% will vote straight Democrat. Then there's the 20%
that'll lean one way or the other depending on various things. Like which
party has been in power for the past 10 or so years, has the incumbent
broken any major promises or has done anything unethical. I'm guessing
that's where all the negative ads can come in to play to try and sway/scare
the "undecided" voters one way or another..
m...@raybradley.com
>
> Lots of voters just go to the booth and vote straight ticket
> Republican or straight ticket Democrat, right? They don't even
> have to pay attention; they just vote their party.
>
> Don't know if that's 18-20%, though.
>
> Doug
Yeah, neither do I. I know a few straight-party voters - my late
grandmother being a prime example, she never met a Democrat she didn't
vote for, including Mondale in 1984 - but I can't believe the sheer
density of some people to be that...well, dense...when it comes to
their vote. I know it exists, obviously, but there's this small
idealist inside of me that says everybody should know what they're
voting for.
That's why I HATE negative political commercials. They always examine
the opponents voting record and distort it to make them look like a
baby killer. When you hear a stern voice say "Mel Mellor voted against
raising money for schools" and you see a picture of some sad-looking
kid reading an old textbook, your initial thought is "Mel Mellor is a
bad man!" without thinking "hey, maybe Mel voted against a 30% tax
raise that would have given 18 cents more to the school district."
Which brings me to my favorite topic - politicians talking about their
record on education. They all trumpet about how they've raise test
scores, added new buildings, brought in new computers, etc...and bully
for them. But why are our kids still dumb as sticks?
- Ray Bradley
move over, John Lieberman, I'm asking the tough questions
Quixotoes
Look at their role models in the highest offices of the land.
Can anyone name the last Republican president who actually engaged in a serious
academic or intellectual pursuit? It was probably Hoover.
In the meantime, Democrats like McGovern, Ph.D, in history and WW II hero;
Moynihan, Ph.D. and Harvard faculty; Adlai Stevenson, Paul Douglas, and
countless others brought remarkable minds to public office.
But the American people want common people to lead them, and that is one reason
why generation after generation of kids is not learning.
GWB -- affirmative action to get into Yale, a gentleman's MBA, leading to
failed businesses.
Clinton -- JD from Yale, state attorney general.
GHWB -- affirmative action to get into Yale.
Reagan -- B.A. from Eureka College
Carter -- USNA, nuclear engineering
Ford -- B.A. Michigan, Yale law.
Nixon -- B.A., Whittier; Duke law
Johnson -- B.A., San Angelo State
JFK -- Harvard, published historian, Pulitzer Prize winner
Eisenhower -- USMA, president Columbia University
Truman -- unknown
FDR -- Harvard
Hoover -- Stanford, engineer
Coolidge (uknown)
Harding (hah hah)
Wilson, Ph.D., president of Princeton.
Q
Catfish
"Quixotoes" <quix...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> GWB -- affirmative action to get into Yale, a gentleman's MBA, leading to
> failed businesses.
>
> Clinton -- JD from Yale, state attorney general.
(and being a state attorney general has what to do wit his education?
Unless you mean to point out that he should have learned as an attorney
general the meaning of perjury)
>
> GHWB -- affirmative action to get into Yale.
>
> Reagan -- B.A. from Eureka College
> Carter -- USNA, nuclear engineering
(Generally rated as 2nd worst US President of 20th century)
> Ford -- B.A. Michigan, Yale law.
>
> Nixon -- B.A., Whittier; Duke law
>
> Johnson -- B.A., San Angelo State
>
> JFK -- Harvard, published historian, Pulitzer Prize winner
(Uh, are we missing an affirmative action note here, Ted?)
>
> Eisenhower -- USMA, president Columbia University
>
> Truman -- unknown
(Did not attend college.)
> FDR -- Harvard
(Why no "affirmative action" note here, Ted? Let's try to be intellectually
consistant.)
>
> Hoover -- Stanford, engineer
(Probably the smartest man ever elected President...considered a Whiz Kid
who couln't fail. Generally rated as the worst US President of the 20th
century.)
>
> Coolidge (uknown)
Graduated from Amherst College.
> Harding (hah hah)
(He went to Ohio Central College. Although he was clearly overmatched as
President, he was a champion of civil rights, reversing Wilson's exclusion
of blacks from federal posts. He also was vocal in calling for political
and educational equality for blacks.)
> Wilson, Ph.D., president of Princeton.
(Generally considered a failure. Ran on isolationist pledge in 1916,
immediately moved to get US into war. His insistance on LON and other
provisions of peace treaty were among the causes of WWII.)
You missed TR (Harvard) and Taft (Yale).
So the people who "want common people to lead them" have elected 4 Yales, 3
Harvards, 1 Princeton, 1 Stanford in this century.
The most influental of the 20th Century were TR, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower,
Johnson, Nixon and Reagan. (Note: without going into the pros and cons of
each man's tenure, these 7 had far greater influence on the nation than the
11 others). That's two Ivy Leaguers, three small college grads, and 1 who
didn't attend. It would seem that prestiege intellectual credentials don't
necessarily translate into sucess in the White House.
Quixotoes
the people when it comes to selecting leaders.
People demand more of their plumbers than they do of their presidents.
Q (and you are right, I neglected the JFK affirmative action, purely by
oversight)
m...@raybradley.com
a concept! (No matter how OT it is)
quix...@aol.com (Quixotoes) wrote in message >...
> >But why are our kids still dumb as sticks?
>
> Look at their role models in the highest offices of the land.
>
> Can anyone name the last Republican president who actually engaged in a serious
> academic or intellectual pursuit? It was probably Hoover.
Well, to be fair, Bush the Sequel does have an MBA from Yale, but
whether he deserved it or not is a different question.
> In the meantime, Democrats like McGovern, Ph.D, in history and WW II hero;
> Moynihan, Ph.D. and Harvard faculty; Adlai Stevenson, Paul Douglas, and
> countless others brought remarkable minds to public office.
Ole' Newt Gingrich I believe has a couple of advanced degrees, too,
and is (ironically) a noted futurist.
> But the American people want common people to lead them, and that is one reason
> why generation after generation of kids is not learning.
I think it comes down to communication skills, really. I've noticed
that the smartest folks don't always communicate the best. Look at how
wordy Clinton was during his address at the 1988 Democratic
Convention, and the early part of his campaign in 1992. Once he was
told to shut the hell up once in a while, his popularity grew.
> Reagan -- B.A. from Eureka College
And probably one of the best talkers to hold office. Great speaker,
especially during a crisis.
(snipped)
> JFK -- Harvard, published historian, Pulitzer Prize winner
and his landmark book, Profiles in Courage, has so many factual errors
in it that it's virtually disregarded as anything other than a cute
fictional story book.
> Truman -- unknown
I believe he was the last man to be President without having a college
education. Public school education in Missouri, I think.
> Wilson, Ph.D., president of Princeton.
Also a KKK sympathizer who did more to push back civil rights for
blacks than anybody since Jefferson Davis. The more history looks at
Woodrow Wilson, the bleaker the picture becomes. Possibly the most
hatred-filled man who ever held the Presidency.
There's a very good book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me" that takes
Wilson to task for all of the many mistakes of his administration and
his personality. A very entertaining read that also covers the
Indians, the Pilgrims, Helen Keller, and how history is taught
horribly in our schools.
- Ray Bradley
sad to say, but our teachers told a lot of lies.
David H.
While a leader (President) ultimately makes up his own mind on decisions, he
usually surrounds himself with the best and the brightest.
Like any CEO, he's able to delegate responsiblity.
Being a non-college graduate, Mr. Truman, a Missouri Haberdasher, served the
West splendidly by being "plain folk", he looked at a problem and decided
that ending a decade-old WWII by dropping two A-bombs on civilians in
Japanese (enemy) cities and saving perhaps a million lives....was a
no-brainer.
He didn't need a Yale, Princeton, or Harvard degree to assist him.
The Liberals cling to power by creating a Class-Warfare mentality.
The ONLY solidifying thing they agree upon is killing the unborn. Other
than that, they are nothing but a group of special interest cabals.
Their constituency (power) is the African-American...who continue to vote
for leaders that *KEEP* them in economic slavery with their cradle to grave
welfare systems.
The Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants seem to do quite nicely starting our
with virtually nothing, while the African-American continues to be the
source of 95% of major crime and the major source of destroying their own
neighborhoods.
The Democratic Party has ruled Maryland for the past eight years, and have
given us a $1.7 Billion deficit. Glendenning is AWOL. The press is AWOL.
They continue to squelch and shit upon their constituence by not builing the
ICC and keeping us in gridlock.
They call for more gun-control, when it is proven that more lives are saved
and crime prevented when the potential victim has a firearm to rely upon.
They do not enforce the gun laws already on the books.
They have called for a moratorium on the death penalty, yet scream bloody
murder to have the right to try the two snipers.
As long as Bill Clinton's ilk run the Democratic Party, they will continue
to go down the toilet (a good thing).
They are nothing but a bunch of Socialists who are bent upon destroying the
America I grew up in. Fuck them all.
They should all be arrested and made accountable for their crimes.
And, the press is duplicitous as well as the National Education Association.
Their goal is to rule a country of drones with no way to revolt against the
tyranny that awaits us...except with rocks and sticks and suicide bombers,
ala the Palistinians.
I'm glad I am 56 years old and won't live to see the destruction of the
United States of America at the hands of the fucking Liberals.
David H.
Stephen Mack
<m...@raybradley.com> wrote:
> > Wilson, Ph.D., president of Princeton.
>
> <snip>
> Possibly the most
> hatred-filled man who ever held the Presidency.
Apparently you never studied Andrew Jackson. ;)
--
Smack
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." -Publius Terentius Afer
Stephen Mack
<dhag...@erols.com> wrote:
> As long as Bill Clinton's ilk run the Democratic Party, they will continue
> to go down the toilet (a good thing).
It certainly would be a good thing, so long as the Republicans followed.
Actually, I take that back. What would truly be a good thing if they
could both simply mature as humans as quickly as possible. But then,
paradigm shifts occur funeral by funeral. Most people lose their
willingness to grow soon after adulthood begins, and they typically
don't regain such willingness until after old age has set in (if then).
m...@raybradley.com
> <m...@raybradley.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > Wilson, Ph.D., president of Princeton.
> >
> > <snip>
> > Possibly the most
> > hatred-filled man who ever held the Presidency.
>
> Apparently you never studied Andrew Jackson. ;)
Oh, I have. Wilson literally was that bad. Jackson was pretty much a
jackass, no doubt about it. Wilson had a bunch of fancy book learnin'
that allowed him to hide his true persona. One of the numerous reasons
that Congress didn't approve the League of Nations was that WW left a
provision in there allowing for the growth of slavery. He fired every
black civil servant in DC (back when the Feds still had control of
day-tod-day operations in the city) and reintroduced Jim Crow laws
back to DC. It's rumoured he held a KKK meeting in the White House,
though I don't know if it can be or has been proved. He was a naughty
fella, though.
Amazingly, he's been cited as the next President most Americans want
symbolized on Mount Rushmore, during polls taken in the Reagan
Administration. Because "he kept us out of war" - which obviously he
didn't, and initially sided with the Germans. He receives this praise
with, shockingly, high acceptance percentages in the black community!
That's like naming a Pikesville Synagogue Temple Beth Hitler.
- Ray Bradley
a very unpopular synagogue to play in the softball league
Pete Foosis
screwing over, and I found this thread, started by probably the
biggest creep I've ever encountered in this group, and continued in
suit by the Creep Emeritus.
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:09:09 -0500, "David H." <dhag...@erols.com>
wrote:
>"Quixotoes" <quix...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20021102142808...@mb-dd.aol.com...
>> My point is exactly that -- academic/intellectual achievement is
>dishonored by
>> the people when it comes to selecting leaders.
>>
>> People demand more of their plumbers than they do of their presidents.
>>
>> Q (and you are right, I neglected the JFK affirmative action, purely by
>> oversight)
>
>While a leader (President) ultimately makes up his own mind on decisions, he
>usually surrounds himself with the best and the brightest.
Or, in some cases, he surrounds himself with whoever his father
surrounded himself with.
>
>Like any CEO, he's able to delegate responsiblity.
>
>Being a non-college graduate, Mr. Truman, a Missouri Haberdasher, served the
>West splendidly by being "plain folk", he looked at a problem and decided
>that ending a decade-old WWII by dropping two A-bombs on civilians in
>Japanese (enemy) cities and saving perhaps a million lives....was a
>no-brainer.
>
>He didn't need a Yale, Princeton, or Harvard degree to assist him.
>
>The Liberals cling to power by creating a Class-Warfare mentality.
BAM! Out of nowhere! Well, to play along, the conservatives cling to
power by creating a fear of liberalism.
>
>The ONLY solidifying thing they agree upon is killing the unborn. Other
>than that, they are nothing but a group of special interest cabals.
What in God's name are you talking about? And, please. You tak about
abortion like it's serial murder. It's a medical procedure. It's not
something I could see getting myself involved in, but I certainly
don't care if somebody else wants to do it. It's no more shocking to
me than the death penalty or certainly war. And I have the same
opinion of it as the death penalty: I can see both sides of the
argument, but it doesn't keep me up at night. In the end it's fairly
unlikely that either one will effect me. It's really fucking
hypocritical to call oneself 'pro-life' and at the same time support
the death penalty and war. I have no overwhelming objections to the
death penalty, but I have trouble understanding logic that says a
glorified tadpole is somehow more of a person than an adult human
being. But, yeah, it's odd that abortion's become such a dominant
issue; euthenasia and stem cell research are much more significant
medical issues on which the Republican party is being ignorantly
moralistic.
>Their constituency (power) is the African-American...who continue to vote
>for leaders that *KEEP* them in economic slavery with their cradle to grave
>welfare systems.
What percentage of the country is black? 10%?
>
>The Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants seem to do quite nicely starting our
>with virtually nothing, while the African-American continues to be the
>source of 95% of major crime and the major source of destroying their own
>neighborhoods.
African-Americans aren't immigrants--they're people who were brought
here as slaves, released after a few hundred years into a society that
continued to see them as subhuman, and had significantly fewer rights
than everyone else up unitl less than 50 years ago. It's a pretty
different scenario from moving to a different place because there's
more opportunity there. And as long as there are people as
understanding as you making noise, it's gonna be a long time yet
before black people in America feel lucky to be here.
>
>The Democratic Party has ruled Maryland for the past eight years, and have
>given us a $1.7 Billion deficit. Glendenning is AWOL. The press is AWOL.
>
>They continue to squelch and shit upon their constituence by not builing the
>ICC and keeping us in gridlock.
>
>They call for more gun-control, when it is proven that more lives are saved
>and crime prevented when the potential victim has a firearm to rely upon.
>They do not enforce the gun laws already on the books.
>
>They have called for a moratorium on the death penalty, yet scream bloody
>murder to have the right to try the two snipers.
>
>As long as Bill Clinton's ilk run the Democratic Party, they will continue
>to go down the toilet (a good thing).
The economy went up and the crime rate went down during 8 years of
Bill Clinton. But I'm sure you will say that it's because Clinton
followed 12 years of Republican leadership. You will excuse away all
the good things and pay attention to only the bad because you are
simple-minded and need everything divided off evenly into sides for
you to think you understand it.
>
>They are nothing but a bunch of Socialists who are bent upon destroying the
>America I grew up in. Fuck them all.
The psuedo-pleasantness of the America you grew up in came at a cost.
Like what seems the majority of your generation, you're content to
selfishly fuck the world up today and let your kids worry about
cleaning it up tomorrow.
>They should all be arrested and made accountable for their crimes.
Crimes like training to people to kill our enemies, then leaving them
high and dry and motivated to kill us? Crimes like trading arms and
drugs to support third world dictatorships? Crimes like bullying the
world into no longer just being jealous but actually hating us?
>
>And, the press is duplicitous as well as the National Education Association.
>
>Their goal is to rule a country of drones with no way to revolt against the
>tyranny that awaits us...except with rocks and sticks and suicide bombers,
>ala the Palistinians.
You're nuts, plain and simple. If any party is tightening the clamps
on the people, it's yours. And to compare being forced to pay higher
taxes to pay for somebody else's health insurance to living as a less
than second-class citizen in a country your deep-seeded religious
mania says belongs to you is typically ridiculous.
>
>I'm glad I am 56 years old and won't live to see the destruction of the
>United States of America at the hands of the fucking Liberals.
So am I.
(Hey, you set yourself up for that one.)
David H.
news:8s3dsucdjf96opura...@4ax.com...
> Came in to see what people have to say about Ripken's inevitable
> screwing over, and I found this thread, started by probably the
> biggest creep I've ever encountered in this group, and continued in
> suit by the Creep Emeritus.
>
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:09:09 -0500, "David H." <dhag...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Quixotoes" <quix...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20021102142808...@mb-dd.aol.com...
> >> My point is exactly that -- academic/intellectual achievement is
> >dishonored by
> >> the people when it comes to selecting leaders.
> >>
> >> People demand more of their plumbers than they do of their presidents.
> >>
> >> Q (and you are right, I neglected the JFK affirmative action, purely by
> >> oversight)
> >
> >While a leader (President) ultimately makes up his own mind on decisions,
he
> >usually surrounds himself with the best and the brightest.
>
> Or, in some cases, he surrounds himself with whoever his father
> surrounded himself with.
Oh, that's right! Forgive me. I forgot.
Colin Powell is merely a slave in the White Master's House. And Condaleeza
Rice, too...according to the Banana Boat man.
>
>
> >
> >Like any CEO, he's able to delegate responsiblity.
> >
> >Being a non-college graduate, Mr. Truman, a Missouri Haberdasher, served
the
> >West splendidly by being "plain folk", he looked at a problem and decided
> >that ending a decade-old WWII by dropping two A-bombs on civilians in
> >Japanese (enemy) cities and saving perhaps a million lives....was a
> >no-brainer.
> >
> >He didn't need a Yale, Princeton, or Harvard degree to assist him.
>
> >
> >The Liberals cling to power by creating a Class-Warfare mentality.
>
> BAM! Out of nowhere! Well, to play along, the conservatives cling to
> power by creating a fear of liberalism.
That's because Liberalism says that you are not able to take care of
yourself or make your own decisions. That Liberalism advocates shirking
personal responsibility for one's personal decisions. That the government
knows better.
>
> >
> >The ONLY solidifying thing they agree upon is killing the unborn. Other
> >than that, they are nothing but a group of special interest cabals.
>
> What in God's name are you talking about? And, please. You tak about
> abortion like it's serial murder. It's a medical procedure. It's not
> something I could see getting myself involved in, but I certainly
> don't care if somebody else wants to do it. It's no more shocking to
> me than the death penalty or certainly war.
Except that the fetus didn't commit any crimes to deserve death, right?
A "medical procedure"...akin to having a wart removed, right?
And, to equate a woman's right to kill her unborn child with war is
shockingly stupid....even for you, Pete.
>And I have the same
> opinion of it as the death penalty: I can see both sides of the
> argument, but it doesn't keep me up at night. In the end it's fairly
> unlikely that either one will effect me. It's really fucking
> hypocritical to call oneself 'pro-life' and at the same time support
> the death penalty and war. I have no overwhelming objections to the
> death penalty, but I have trouble understanding logic that says a
> glorified tadpole is somehow more of a person than an adult human
> being.
This wasn't meant to become a thread on Roe vs. Wade.
But to compare an innocent fetus with a person that has been convicted of a
capital crime shows just how jaded you are.
> >Their constituency (power) is the African-American...who continue to vote
> >for leaders that *KEEP* them in economic slavery with their cradle to
grave
> >welfare systems.
>
> What percentage of the country is black? 10%?
>
> >
> >The Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants seem to do quite nicely starting
our
> >with virtually nothing, while the African-American continues to be the
> >source of 95% of major crime and the major source of destroying their own
> >neighborhoods.
>
> African-Americans aren't immigrants--they're people who were brought
> here as slaves, released after a few hundred years into a society that
> continued to see them as subhuman, and had significantly fewer rights
> than everyone else up unitl less than 50 years ago. It's a pretty
> different scenario from moving to a different place because there's
> more opportunity there. And as long as there are people as
> understanding as you making noise, it's gonna be a long time yet
> before black people in America feel lucky to be here.
Who in the fuck cares that their great-grandaddy was a slave?
What in the fuck does *THAT* have to do with the Blacks' dilemma in the
United States today?
There is only one thing that will cure Welfare as we know it.
Forced sterilization to maintain welfare benefits. Race shouldn't enter
into the equation.
>
> >
> >The Democratic Party has ruled Maryland for the past eight years, and
have
> >given us a $1.7 Billion deficit. Glendenning is AWOL. The press is
AWOL.
> >
> >They continue to squelch and shit upon their constituence by not builing
the
> >ICC and keeping us in gridlock.
> >
> >They call for more gun-control, when it is proven that more lives are
saved
> >and crime prevented when the potential victim has a firearm to rely upon.
> >They do not enforce the gun laws already on the books.
> >
> >They have called for a moratorium on the death penalty, yet scream bloody
> >murder to have the right to try the two snipers.
> >
> >As long as Bill Clinton's ilk run the Democratic Party, they will
continue
> >to go down the toilet (a good thing).
>
> The economy went up and the crime rate went down during 8 years of
> Bill Clinton. But I'm sure you will say that it's because Clinton
> followed 12 years of Republican leadership. You will excuse away all
> the good things and pay attention to only the bad because you are
> simple-minded and need everything divided off evenly into sides for
> you to think you understand it.
The economic books were proven to be cooked....overestimated by some 30%. A
recession was in full swing before Bush was elected in 2000.
Welfare reform was shoved down Clinton's throat after he tried
unsuccessfully to veto it on numerous occasions. Then, when jobs increased
as welfare rolls decreased, the fucking Liberals tried to take the credit.
The reason the United States budget didn't mirror the Maryland budget in
terms of deficits was because since 1994, the Republicans have controlled
the purse strings.
You can look it up.
>
> >
> >They are nothing but a bunch of Socialists who are bent upon destroying
the
> >America I grew up in. Fuck them all.
>
> The psuedo-pleasantness of the America you grew up in came at a cost.
> Like what seems the majority of your generation, you're content to
> selfishly fuck the world up today and let your kids worry about
> cleaning it up tomorrow.
Just how am is my generation "fucking up the world", Pete?
If Mondale were president instead of Reagan, there would still be a Soviet
Union today, and Israel would be a footnote in history.
Or, do you consider that a good thing...you and your World Order crowd?
We've just seen how effective Clinton was in keeping nuclear arms away from
North Korea. And, he also gave China a 50 year leap forward in the arms
race. (his own words).
You should get down on your knees every night and thank your god that Bush
and not Gore is President today, you whiney little bitch. ;^)
David H.
Stephen Mack
> Stephen Mack <sm...@zzappspam.org> wrote i>...
> > <m...@raybradley.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > Wilson, Ph.D., president of Princeton.
> > >
>
> Because "he kept us out of war" - which obviously he
> didn't,
True, and not only that, but his war propaganda campaign essentially
set the precendent for a political trend that has done - and continues
to do - untold damage. Certainly there was propaganda in this country
before Wilson served, but Wilson took it to the next level. Following
the wild success of that propaganda campaign, integrity in American
politics gradually shrunk until it all but vanished. There's certainly
very little trace of it these days.
Stephen Mack
<dhag...@erols.com> wrote:
> > BAM! Out of nowhere! Well, to play along, the conservatives cling to
> > power by creating a fear of liberalism.
>
> That's because Liberalism says that you are not able to take care of
> yourself or make your own decisions. That Liberalism advocates shirking
> personal responsibility for one's personal decisions. That the government
> knows better.
Well, the ultimate problem with liberal thinking today is that it is
too focused on the external, with little or no consideration for the
internal. Give people money, homes, clothing, anything they need, and
everything will become better. By contrast, the ultimate problem with
conservative thinking is that they are too focused on the internal,
with little or no consideration for the external.
A democrat would rather give a man a fish than teach him to fish. A
republican would rather just fish and expect the man to learn by
watching, despite his lack of a fishing pole.
Pete Foosis
wrote:
I think Harry Belafonte's just as racist as you are.
>>
>> >
>> >Like any CEO, he's able to delegate responsiblity.
>> >
>> >Being a non-college graduate, Mr. Truman, a Missouri Haberdasher, served
>the
>> >West splendidly by being "plain folk", he looked at a problem and decided
>> >that ending a decade-old WWII by dropping two A-bombs on civilians in
>> >Japanese (enemy) cities and saving perhaps a million lives....was a
>> >no-brainer.
>> >
>> >He didn't need a Yale, Princeton, or Harvard degree to assist him.
>>
>> >
>> >The Liberals cling to power by creating a Class-Warfare mentality.
>>
>> BAM! Out of nowhere! Well, to play along, the conservatives cling to
>> power by creating a fear of liberalism.
>
>That's because Liberalism says that you are not able to take care of
>yourself or make your own decisions. That Liberalism advocates shirking
>personal responsibility for one's personal decisions. That the government
>knows better.
Let's cut this liberal/conservative shit and get down to brass tacks.
This is a Democrat/Republican thing, and if you think that both
parties aren't doing the same thing, then you're as stupid as you are
offensive.
>
>>
>> >
>> >The ONLY solidifying thing they agree upon is killing the unborn. Other
>> >than that, they are nothing but a group of special interest cabals.
>>
>> What in God's name are you talking about? And, please. You tak about
>> abortion like it's serial murder. It's a medical procedure. It's not
>> something I could see getting myself involved in, but I certainly
>> don't care if somebody else wants to do it. It's no more shocking to
>> me than the death penalty or certainly war.
>
>Except that the fetus didn't commit any crimes to deserve death, right?
Who are you to determine who does and doesn't DESERVE death? The
anti-abortion movement is based largely on issues of religious faith,
faith which says that only God can determine who should live and who
should die.
>A "medical procedure"...akin to having a wart removed, right?
Sure, why not. It's also a medical procedure that is overwhelmingly
supported by doctors. I'll anticipate your saying somehting about
doctors playing God, to which I'd have to say something along the lins
of, "Oh, but it's okay for governments to play God, sending other
peoples children to kill and die overseas?"
>
>And, to equate a woman's right to kill her unborn child with war is
>shockingly stupid....even for you, Pete.
I don't equate the two. I questioned how people who loudly claim to
be PRO-LIFE can be such big fans of death.
>
>>And I have the same
>> opinion of it as the death penalty: I can see both sides of the
>> argument, but it doesn't keep me up at night. In the end it's fairly
>> unlikely that either one will effect me. It's really fucking
>> hypocritical to call oneself 'pro-life' and at the same time support
>> the death penalty and war. I have no overwhelming objections to the
>> death penalty, but I have trouble understanding logic that says a
>> glorified tadpole is somehow more of a person than an adult human
>> being.
>
>This wasn't meant to become a thread on Roe vs. Wade.
>
>But to compare an innocent fetus with a person that has been convicted of a
>capital crime shows just how jaded you are.
A fetus doesn't have much choice but to be innocent, does it? And
who's to say that a murderer can't turn his or her life around and
actually do something worthwhile?
>
>> >Their constituency (power) is the African-American...who continue to vote
>> >for leaders that *KEEP* them in economic slavery with their cradle to
>grave
>> >welfare systems.
>>
>> What percentage of the country is black? 10%?
>>
>> >
>> >The Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants seem to do quite nicely starting
>our
>> >with virtually nothing, while the African-American continues to be the
>> >source of 95% of major crime and the major source of destroying their own
>> >neighborhoods.
>>
>> African-Americans aren't immigrants--they're people who were brought
>> here as slaves, released after a few hundred years into a society that
>> continued to see them as subhuman, and had significantly fewer rights
>> than everyone else up unitl less than 50 years ago. It's a pretty
>> different scenario from moving to a different place because there's
>> more opportunity there. And as long as there are people as
>> understanding as you making noise, it's gonna be a long time yet
>> before black people in America feel lucky to be here.
>
>Who in the fuck cares that their great-grandaddy was a slave?
>What in the fuck does *THAT* have to do with the Blacks' dilemma in the
>United States today?
It has to do with the incredible depths from which black people have
been forced to climb. It means that there is going to be a great deal
of resentment thanks to people like you who prefer to ignore history
and pretend that everyone is on equal footing in this country.
>
>There is only one thing that will cure Welfare as we know it.
>
>Forced sterilization to maintain welfare benefits. Race shouldn't enter
>into the equation.
Why not just start up work/death camps for the undesirables?
>
>>
>> >
>> >The Democratic Party has ruled Maryland for the past eight years, and
>have
>> >given us a $1.7 Billion deficit. Glendenning is AWOL. The press is
>AWOL.
>> >
>> >They continue to squelch and shit upon their constituence by not builing
>the
>> >ICC and keeping us in gridlock.
>> >
>> >They call for more gun-control, when it is proven that more lives are
>saved
>> >and crime prevented when the potential victim has a firearm to rely upon.
>> >They do not enforce the gun laws already on the books.
>> >
>> >They have called for a moratorium on the death penalty, yet scream bloody
>> >murder to have the right to try the two snipers.
>> >
>> >As long as Bill Clinton's ilk run the Democratic Party, they will
>continue
>> >to go down the toilet (a good thing).
>>
>> The economy went up and the crime rate went down during 8 years of
>> Bill Clinton. But I'm sure you will say that it's because Clinton
>> followed 12 years of Republican leadership. You will excuse away all
>> the good things and pay attention to only the bad because you are
>> simple-minded and need everything divided off evenly into sides for
>> you to think you understand it.
>
>The economic books were proven to be cooked....overestimated by some 30%. A
>recession was in full swing before Bush was elected in 2000.
A recession was also in full swing before Clinton was elected, but
never mind.
>
>Welfare reform was shoved down Clinton's throat after he tried
>unsuccessfully to veto it on numerous occasions. Then, when jobs increased
>as welfare rolls decreased, the fucking Liberals tried to take the credit.
>
>The reason the United States budget didn't mirror the Maryland budget in
>terms of deficits was because since 1994, the Republicans have controlled
>the purse strings.
>
>You can look it up.
>>
>> >
>> >They are nothing but a bunch of Socialists who are bent upon destroying
>the
>> >America I grew up in. Fuck them all.
>>
>> The psuedo-pleasantness of the America you grew up in came at a cost.
>> Like what seems the majority of your generation, you're content to
>> selfishly fuck the world up today and let your kids worry about
>> cleaning it up tomorrow.
>
>Just how am is my generation "fucking up the world", Pete?
By destroying Social Security and by turning the world against us (on
the premise that we really don't need them now, never mind what
happens in the future when we actually do need the rest of the world
to come to our defense).
>
>If Mondale were president instead of Reagan, there would still be a Soviet
>Union today, and Israel would be a footnote in history.
>Or, do you consider that a good thing...you and your World Order crowd?
I consider that neither a good thing nor true. But it is funny to me
how you right-wing kooks are starting to sound like left-wing kooks
with this whole New World Order thing, particularly since it was a
term introduced by Bush 41.
>
>We've just seen how effective Clinton was in keeping nuclear arms away from
>North Korea. And, he also gave China a 50 year leap forward in the arms
>race. (his own words).
>
And we see how effective Bush, Sr. was with Iraq...
>You should get down on your knees every night and thank your god that Bush
>and not Gore is President today, you whiney little bitch. ;^)
Why? Because if Supreme Court had handed Gore the Presidency then I
wouldn't have gotten that stupid $600 check last year? Because we
would have had someone who can actually speak the language as our
mouthpiece? You don't actually think that G.W. is the only guy with
enough balls to bomb Afghanistan, do you? He is, however, the only
guy who wants to enter into an unprovoked war in order to avenge his
daddy.
Pete Foosis
wrote:
I agree, except I think a Republican wouldn't even let the guy watch
him fish--he'd just show him the day's bounty and expect him to figure
it out for himself.
Charles Supha
"Stephen Mack" <sm...@zzappspam.org> wrote in message
news:041120021952087185%sm...@zzappspam.org...
Added note: A republican expects the man to make his own pole, line, hook
and find his own bait.
C.
David H.
news:DfYx9.2606$En4.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Hey buddy!
Running Bear did it for 500 years with a spear, and Tom F*cking Sawyer used
a wooden stick.
What the f*ck? ;^)
David H.
You want to have a state of the art reel, you work and save for it.
David H.