Terry May is stupid!
mmb
exactly the sharpest pencil; if you know what I mean.
Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of wack!
Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is
full of __.
Baseball is headed in the wrong direction. Why, because the fans (customers)
are totally forgotten. (point blank. It's as simple as that.)
Terry, just sit down and shut up!
JPM, III
but that doesn't warrant calling him/her stupid for everyone. If you don't
like the person, don't read/respond to their posts. Bursting out like that
only makes you look like the dumb one. Remember, everyone gets to read it...
and not only are you losing points for being off topic, but you lose even
more for agressively insulting someone...
Oh and Terry, I was right about Galarraga and Lockhart. :-)
Terry May
"mmb" <mbl...@bellsouth.net> pitched the following:
> Terry, just sit down and shut up!
What separates me from you (aside from several levels of maturity) is
that I'm a firm believer in capitalism and you apparently believe in
socialism.
You can rest easy knowing that you won't hear from me again, however,
as you've just gotten a special place in my killfile.
--
"He almost ruined his career two days ago in Boston, going into the
center-field wall hard. And the only thing he said when I got out there
was, 'I should have caught the ball.'" - Bobby Cox, on Andruw Jones
Andrew Coleman
>I don't know who this "Terry May" guy (or girl) is, but he/she is not
>exactly the sharpest pencil; if you know what I mean.
>
>Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
>salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of wack!
>
>Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is
>full of __.
>
>Baseball is headed in the wrong direction. Why, because the fans (customers)
>are totally forgotten. (point blank. It's as simple as that.)
>
>
>Terry, just sit down and shut up!
>
Okay, what is anybody "worth"? Is Ahnuld Schwarznegger "worth" $15
million (or whatever he makes) per film? Is a ticket-taker at the
movie theater that shows the film only "worth" $5.25 an hour?
People are "worth" whatever others are willing to pay them. It's that
simple. Baseball players are paid an enormous amount of money because
baseball generates an enormous amount of revenue -- in advertising, in
ticket sales, in merchandise, etc. Baseball players are responsible
for generating that revenue, so it should not surprise you that they
are compensated correspondingly well.
Welcome to the free market, my friend. If it bothers you that Chipper
Jones is making $15 million a year, you're welcome not to watch him
play.
Oh, and it is pretty classless of you to attack Terry personally. You
can always tell when somebody hasn't actually considered his position
logically -- he attacks his opponent rather than his opponent's
position.
A.
RotisMLB
Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is full
of __.<<<
Well... I think Chipper is worth 90 million dollars. And I take it you
disagree. So, how much do you think Chipper is worth... and how did you reach
that number?
Colin William
Now now, Rotis, everybody knows that players don't deserve anything when
they are being played for the privilege fo playing a game!
After all, everyone seems to much prefer the idea that that $90m stay in the
pockets of Time Warner. It's not like Chipper brings in any revenue, after
all, it's the owners we pay to see play! Clearly Nintendo deserves $120m
more than A-Rod!
Colin
JPM, III
control, especially considering it's completely unnecessary.
"RotisMLB" <roti...@aol.com.nospam> wrote in message
news:20000824133708...@ng-mg1.aol.com...
Terry May
roti...@aol.com.nospam (RotisMLB) pitched the following:
> Well... I think Chipper is worth 90 million dollars.
Agreed.
> And I take it you disagree. So, how much do you think Chipper is
> worth... and how did you reach that number?
I'm guessing you arrived at $90M the same way I did. :^)
--
"It really does boggle the mind, Colin. And you know what else boggles
the mind? That the Braves have the best record in the National League
even through their starting left and right fielders are both playing
miserably." - Rob Neyer
David Marc Nieporent
JPM, III <jpmc...@hotmail.com> claimed:
>No person is worthy any amount of money.
Well, maybe not WebTVers.
>Money is ridiculously out of
>control, especially considering it's completely unnecessary.
Well, I like eating, and I like a roof over my head. The bank seems to
like receiving money from me in exchange for them not taking my house. So
how exactly is it "completely unnecessary?"
--
David M. Nieporent Roberto Petagine for the
niep...@alumni.princeton.edu Hall of Fame
David Marc Nieporent
>Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
>salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of wack!
"Out of wack [sic]" with what?
>Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is
>full of __.
Time-Warner thinks that a player is worth 90 million dollars. So do Fred
Wilpon and Nelson Doubleday. And so does Fox.
>Baseball is headed in the wrong direction. Why, because the fans
>(customers) are totally forgotten. (point blank. It's as simple as that.)
You forgot to use "Period." And "Nyah, nyah."
*Plonk*
JPM, III
I mean, he's a show to watch. Ken Griffey, Pedro Martinez (once every five
days), Vladimir Guerrero ... guys like that are fun to watch. Chipper's an
excellent player, but I wouldn't say exciting. People don't come to the
ballpark just to watch Chipper (some do, but I don't consider them enough
not to use that statement). Hell, my best friend is Chipper Jones' cousin
(chipper's father's brother's son), and I don't even go to Braves games to
see Chipper.
"Terry May" <tar...@SportsMail.Net> wrote in message
news:2000082411045...@SportsMail.Net...
Terry May
"Colin William" <co...@sonicrim.com> pitched the following:
> Now now, Rotis, everybody knows that players don't deserve anything
> when they are being played for the privilege fo playing a game!
>
> After all, everyone seems to much prefer the idea that that $90m stay
> in the pockets of Time Warner. It's not like Chipper brings in any
> revenue, after all, it's the owners we pay to see play! Clearly
> Nintendo deserves $120m more than A-Rod!
No, you have it all wrong, Colin. That money would be going back to
the fans if those players weren't making so much. You see, the owners
are a kind bunch of folks. They'd love to lower ticket prices as low
as possible for the good of the fans, but the greedy players keep
making them raise prices to pay for their outrageous salaries! Forget
everything you might have learned about economics in school; it doesn't
apply to sports.
--
"That little Pee Wee Herman kid (Rafael Furcal) kicked our butts."
- Barry Bonds
Terry May
"JPM, III" <jpmc...@hotmail.com> pitched the following:
> Why is anyone worth $15 million dollars for one year?
Because that's what Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch are willing to pay.
It's as simple as that. It's their money and only they can determine
in what way it should be spent and what a player is worth to them.
Little cardboard baseball cards sell for hundreds and thousands of
dollars. Why? Because people are willing to pay it. To them it's
worth that money. And they also hope that it's an investment that will
help them turn a profit down the road, just like Mr. Turner and Mr.
Mudoch.
> Mark McGwire maybe ...
> I mean, he's a show to watch. Ken Griffey, Pedro Martinez (once every
> five days), Vladimir Guerrero ... guys like that are fun to watch.
> Chipper's an excellent player, but I wouldn't say exciting. People
> don't come to the ballpark just to watch Chipper (some do, but I don't
> consider them enough not to use that statement). Hell, my best friend
> is Chipper Jones' cousin (chipper's father's brother's son), and I
> don't even go to Braves games to see Chipper.
That's why they pay other players, too. If all the fans were just
going to see Chipper, they could sign 24 other guys at league minimum
and pay the rest to Chipper. Of course, they're not doing that, so
it's not relevant people don't come just to watch him play.
Ted Turner is a very smart man and he realizes that players are an
investment, not an expense. And you make money by making good
investments. Players like Chipper not only draw fans with their
individual talent, but they help the overall team win, which also helps
to draw fans. This is why the Braves are raking in so much money that
they can afford to pay a Chipper Jones $15M.
--
"I saw Niekro win his 200th. I saw Maddux and now Tommy (Glavine).
Hopefully, we'll see John Smoltz get there, too." - Bobby Cox
Terry May
"JPM, III" <jpmc...@hotmail.com> pitched the following:
> No person is worthy any amount of money.
So I take it you work for free?
> Money is ridiculously out of control,
Actually, it's completely in control.....of the owners.
> especially considering it's completely unnecessary.
Only in that all forms of entertainment are unnecessary. However,
obviously a great many people think that entertainment is worth paying
for.
--
The All-New Braves FAQ:
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~cwill10/FAQ.htm
Colin William
> Why is anyone worth $15 million dollars for one year? Mark McGwire maybe
...
> I mean, he's a show to watch. Ken Griffey, Pedro Martinez (once every five
> days), Vladimir Guerrero ... guys like that are fun to watch. Chipper's an
> excellent player, but I wouldn't say exciting.
People come to the ballpark to see their team win. The Braves have many
players, some more replaceable than others. Try to decide - which players
could the team replace and still win? Chipper is not among those. 3B is a
pretty shallow position in available talent, esp. available talent that hits
like a 1B.
So what he is worth is not related solely to the number of people who say
"Oooh, I wanna go see Chipper!" It's the big picture. Take out Chipper and
you might as well take out all that postseason revenue, the people filling
the seats and buying beers and "C. Jones" shirts at tight series in
September, the people who wouldn't come out when the team is losing, the TV
viewers who won't watch a team that doesn't win.
Chipper is one guy whos strongly contributes to all of those revenue
streams. Others less so, and they get paid less. But since he contributes in
a less replaceable way to the overall winning, eh gets a big piece of th
pie.
Unless you'd prefer Time Warner just keep all that money they're making
because of him?
Colin
Colin William
> No, you have it all wrong, Colin. That money would be going back to
> the fans if those players weren't making so much. You see, the owners
> are a kind bunch of folks. They'd love to lower ticket prices as low
> as possible for the good of the fans, but the greedy players keep
> making them raise prices to pay for their outrageous salaries! Forget
> everything you might have learned about economics in school; it doesn't
> apply to sports.
Dammit, you're right. Can't believe I didn't grasp that. Of course! So if
the Braves just paid Chipper $1m next year, that other $14m would be slashed
off the ticket prices, not just pocketed by Time Warner! Wow, so that's,
what, 3m tickets, prices would drop by almost $5 per seat!
So that's how Ted got to be a billionaire...
Good, kind, benevolent owners. Forgoing profit at all junctures for the good
of the fans. Selflessly strongarmed into salaries by greedy players.
Colin
Eric J. Shamow
Terry May wrote in message <2000082410110...@SportsMail.Net>...
>At the Ted on Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:04:23 -0400,
>"mmb" <mbl...@bellsouth.net> pitched the following:
>
>> Terry, just sit down and shut up!
>
>that I'm a firm believer in capitalism and you apparently believe in
>socialism.
Are you aware that there is a *huge* difference between capitalism and
free-market capitalism?
It is entirely possible to be wholly capitalist and still believe in
monetary restrictions; in fact, capitalism depends on an even playing field.
Monopolies (and MLB *is* a monopoly) act in restraint of trade, posing the
greatest of threats to a stable capitalist system.
You don't have to be a socialist to believe that trade needs certain
restrictions and barriers, and I find it increasingly disturbing that
free-market extremists throw the words 'socialist' and 'commie' around with
great liberty whenever somebody suggests that money be shared. 'Capitalism'
doesn't denote what you think it does.
-Eric
Terry May
"Colin William" <co...@sonicrim.com> pitched the following:
> Good, kind, benevolent owners. Forgoing profit at all junctures for
> the good of the fans. Selflessly strongarmed into salaries by greedy
> players.
Now you're getting it!
--
"He's going to be a great one, there's no doubt about that."
Bobby Cox on Luis Rivera
David A. Paulk
David Marc Nieporent wrote in message <8o3olq$afp$1...@shell.monmouth.com>...
>In <Qzbp5.6725$OE4....@news1.atl>, mmb <mbl...@bellsouth.net> claimed:
>
>>Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
>>salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of
wack!
>
>"Out of wack [sic]" with what?
out of "wack" with the chickenfeed the AFLAC duck makes for doing his
commericials? now, *there's* a star worth $15M a year!
David
David A. Paulk
Terry May wrote in message <2000082413145...@SportsMail.Net>...
>At the Ted on Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:39:17 -0400,
>"Colin William" <co...@sonicrim.com> pitched the following:
>
>> Good, kind, benevolent owners. Forgoing profit at all junctures for
>> the good of the fans. Selflessly strongarmed into salaries by greedy
>> players.
>
>Now you're getting it!
baseball owners, great humanitarians one and all
Terry May
"Eric J. Shamow" <73617...@compuserve.com> pitched the following:
> Are you aware that there is a *huge* difference between capitalism and
> free-market capitalism?
>
> It is entirely possible to be wholly capitalist and still believe in
> monetary restrictions; in fact, capitalism depends on an even playing field.
> Monopolies (and MLB *is* a monopoly) act in restraint of trade, posing the
> greatest of threats to a stable capitalist system.
>
> You don't have to be a socialist to believe that trade needs certain
> restrictions and barriers, and I find it increasingly disturbing that
> free-market extremists throw the words 'socialist' and 'commie' around with
> great liberty whenever somebody suggests that money be shared. 'Capitalism'
> doesn't denote what you think it does.
While I would agree that MLB's monopoly means there should be
safeguards put in place to protect their skilled employees (since they
basically have nowhere else to go), I don't understand what it has to
do with this thread.
IOW, in what way does MLB's monopoly mean Ted Turner, for example,
should be stopped from spending $15M on Chipper Jones if he thinks he's
worth that much?
--
"I don't need to be a macho guy or some kind of he-man." - Kevin Millwood
Terry May
"David A. Paulk" <dpa...@surfsouth.com> pitched the following:
> out of "wack" with the chickenfeed the AFLAC duck makes for doing his
> commericials? now, *there's* a star worth $15M a year!
Not only is he paid chickenfeed, but people are always ignoring him,
too. That has to get old!
Andrew Coleman
> ...
>Are you aware that there is a *huge* difference between capitalism and
>free-market capitalism?
...implying that there is such a thing as a non-free-market
capitalism. While everybody's definitions of political terms --
especially loaded ones like 'capitalism' and 'socialism' -- are of
course going to vary, I would submit that at least a relatively free
market is one of the necessary conditions of a capitalist system,
along with, of course, private ownership of the means of production.
I would be interested to know what you mean by a capitalism that
doesn't require at least mostly free markets. Private ownership of the
means of production without an accompanying free market is fascism,
not capitalism.
>It is entirely possible to be wholly capitalist and still believe in
>monetary restrictions; in fact, capitalism depends on an even playing field.
>Monopolies (and MLB *is* a monopoly) act in restraint of trade, posing the
>greatest of threats to a stable capitalist system.
I fail to see how MLB being a monopoly has anything to do with the
extravagance of the salaries under debate in this thread. Other
entertainers are even more highly paid, and they don't work in
monopolistic fields.
>You don't have to be a socialist to believe that trade needs certain
>restrictions and barriers, and I find it increasingly disturbing that
>free-market extremists throw the words 'socialist' and 'commie' around with
>great liberty whenever somebody suggests that money be shared. 'Capitalism'
>doesn't denote what you think it does.
"Shared." Under the threat of imprisonment, no doubt. So the "monetary
restrictions" you advocate in this non-free-market definition of
capitalism appear to be no more than simple thievery.
I am by no means a strict laissez-faire libertarian, but I do object
to the government taking the fruits of my labor at the point of a gun,
giving it to somebody else, and then calling it "sharing." I guess
that makes me just a "free-market extremist," though.
A.
Johne159
>
>I don't know who this "Terry May" guy (or girl) is, but he/she is not
>exactly the sharpest pencil; if you know what I mean.
I know what you mean.
But, in any case, the first thing Terry can do to correct this affliction, is
to acknowledge the greatness of Pete Rose and his 4,256 hits.
After that, we can proceed to work on Terry's looks. :-)
Scott Willsey
crafted the following using only a keyboard and a mouse...
> I don't know who this "Terry May" guy (or girl) is, but he/she is not
> exactly the sharpest pencil; if you know what I mean.
If you'd learn to read, you would know who Terry is.
>
> Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
> salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of wack!
>
> Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is
> full of __.
>
> Baseball is headed in the wrong direction. Why, because the fans (customers)
> are totally forgotten. (point blank. It's as simple as that.)
>
>
> Terry, just sit down and shut up!
>
>
>
I think Terry's been involved in intelligent conversation far longer
than you've known how to use your mommy's computer. Fact is, he does
know about baseball and contributes meaningfully. It's also okay for
him to have his opinions. If you value your right to speak yours (even
in the less than impressive manner you've chosen), then you should value
his.
Certainly you've not convinced me to take your side, given your lack of
debating skills.
Scott
--
==================================
I want to have an open mind, but
not so open that my brains fall out
Terry May
john...@aol.com (Johne159) pitched the following:
> But, in any case, the first thing Terry can do to correct this affliction, is
> to acknowledge the greatness of Pete Rose and his 4,256 hits.
>
> After that, we can proceed to work on Terry's looks. :-)
10-1 odds that never happens.
--
"With the Cubs, we were allowed to stay out all night drinking until 3
or 4 in the morning. But if you got up at 8 to take your golf clubs
out, 'Whoa, don't do that.' I never understood it, but that's kind of
just the way it was." - Greg Maddux
Terry May
"JPM, III" <jpmc...@hotmail.com> pitched the following:
> No, I live by the rules of the world I'm forced to live in.
And how is that different from baseball players? They're playing by
the rules. They happen to have unique talents that people pay a LOT of
money to see, and they're taking advantage of it.
>That doesn't mean that it's the way things should be. I'm sure you know
> all about doing things you don't like because it's "necessary."
> Example, any subject in school that you studied even though you knew
> it had nothing to do with your aspired career and no pertinence to
> anything "necessary" in life.
Ah, but all those "unnecessary" subjects made you a more well rounded
person. :^)
--
"When I signed my contract, it was to play for the Braves . . . not for
Terry Mulholland." - Mulholland on returning to the Braves bullpen.
Terry May
jam...@aol.com (Jamorie) pitched the following:
> Wouldn't that be "duck" feed? <g>
You'd think so, but the poor guy doesn't even get that courtesy!
> Anyways, while I find the AFLAC commerical quite entertaining, I get
> a real kick out of the Holiday Inn commericals. "Marky, go to your
> room." I'm almost at the point of feeling sorry for the doofus.
Yeah, those are pretty good. I like the one where he's looking for
investors so he can trademark the dot in dot-com. :^)
--
"It gives you the feeling of, 'These guys really believe in me.' You
want to make sure you go about things the right way and give it all you
have. The confidence they radiate rubs off on you. You start feeling
it." - Stan Belinda on being a Brave
Terry May
Terry May
"Dale Hicks" <dgh...@bellSPAMLESSsouth.net> pitched the following:
> You know it's illegal to bet on something you control the outcome of,
> don't you?
In that case, I'll willingly accept a lifetime ban and then spend the
rest of my life bitching about being banned.
--
"I coined the phrase, Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a
Lifesaver if you asked him!" - Joe Morgan
JPM, III
>
> So I take it you work for free?
No, I live by the rules of the world I'm forced to live in. That doesn't
Colin William
> No, I live by the rules of the world I'm forced to live in. That doesn't
> mean that it's the way things should be. I'm sure you know all about doing
> things you don't like because it's "necessary." Example, any subject in
> school that you studied even though you knew it had nothing to do with
your
> aspired career and no pertinence to anything "necessary" in life.
Not true. A good number of people think English is useless to them, a good
number think math is useless to them, a good number think history is not
pertinent to anything they think is necessary in life. And they're all
wrong, at least as far as goes their ability to advance in their careers,
manage their retirement and home finances, and be good citizens making
knowledgeable decisions.
You still haven't addressed what I think is the most important issue: ticket
prices will nto go down if the players take less, the owners would just
pocket the money. So why would you rather have Time Warner or Ted Turner
taking home that $15m a year instead of the guy actually earning it, the guy
whose work contributes to a lot mroe than $15m coming in to the club?
Colin
Jamorie
>David Marc Nieporent wrote in message <8o3olq$afp$1...@shell.monmouth.com>...
>>In <Qzbp5.6725$OE4....@news1.atl>, mmb <mbl...@bellsouth.net> claimed:
>>
>>>Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
>>>salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of
>wack!
>>
>>"Out of wack [sic]" with what?
>
>out of "wack" with the chickenfeed the AFLAC duck makes for doing his
>commericials? now, *there's* a star worth $15M a year!
>
>David
>
Wouldn't that be "duck" feed? <g>
Anyways, while I find the AFLAC commerical quite entertaining, I get a real
kick out of the Holiday Inn commericals. "Marky, go to your room." I'm almost
at the point of feeling sorry for the doofus.
jam
"What do you think this is, a Holiday Inn?"
KeyHit
to be paid? I'd bet my ass you're overpaid. Quit crying and fuck off, pissant.
And I want my fries HOT this time.
>From: "mmb" mbl...@bellsouth.net
>Date: 08/24/2000 9:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Qzbp5.6725$OE4....@news1.atl>
>
>I don't know who this "Terry May" guy (or girl) is, but he/she is not
>exactly the sharpest pencil; if you know what I mean.
>
>Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about baseball
>salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of wack!
>
>Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is
>full of __.
>
>Baseball is headed in the wrong direction. Why, because the fans (customers)
>are totally forgotten. (point blank. It's as simple as that.)
>
>
>Terry, just sit down and shut up!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Billy
http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/dreams/799/
Free Jolly Jenkins!
KeyHit
>Date: 08/24/2000 11:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Prdp5.250$Q36....@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>No person is worthy any amount of money. Money is ridiculously out of
>control, especially considering it's completely unnecessary.
So you'll be sending me all of yours?
Dale Hicks
> >From: "JPM, III" jpmc...@hotmail.com
> >Date: 08/24/2000 11:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <Prdp5.250$Q36....@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >No person is worthy any amount of money. Money is ridiculously out of
> >control, especially considering it's completely unnecessary.
>
> So you'll be sending me all of yours?
He's right, they're not worth that kind of money. No man is,
unless he's just created cold fusion or something. But they
deserve every penny that they can talk people into giving
them. That's the trick in life.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh...@bellsouth.net
Dale Hicks
> At the Ted on 24 Aug 2000 21:59:08 GMT,
> john...@aol.com (Johne159) pitched the following:
>
> > But, in any case, the first thing Terry can do to correct this affliction, is
> > to acknowledge the greatness of Pete Rose and his 4,256 hits.
> >
> > After that, we can proceed to work on Terry's looks. :-)
>
> 10-1 odds that never happens.
Acknowleding the greatness of Rose, or working on your looks?
You know it's illegal to bet on something you control the outcome
of, don't you?
--
Cranial Crusader dgh...@bellsouth.net
(who admits that posting to a "Terry May is stupid!" thread ain't
half-bad)
worry@bout.it mikey mike
mmb <mbl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in article
<Qzbp5.6725$OE4....@news1.atl>...
> I don't know who this "Terry May" guy (or girl) is, but he/she is not
> exactly the sharpest pencil; if you know what I mean.
>
> Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about
baseball
> salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of
wack!
>
> Anyone, I mean anyone, who thinks a player is worth 90 million dollars is
> full of __.
>
> Baseball is headed in the wrong direction. Why, because the fans
(customers)
> are totally forgotten. (point blank. It's as simple as that.)
>
>
> Terry, just sit down and shut up!
>
the only problem is that if owners can afford to _pay_ players $90 mil.;
THEY are making way, way too much money. and, after all, it is the players
people pay to see; not the owners.....
Unknown
>And who set you up as the arbitrator (or arbitratress) of what everybody ought
>to be paid? I'd bet my ass you're overpaid. Quit crying and fuck off, pissant.
>And I want my fries HOT this time.
>
The Intelligent Fast Food Workers or America officially objects to the
previous statement. Thank God it's only my first job.
And dammit, the fries were hot, you just need to get the nerve endings
in your fingers checked.
Dan
Eddie Auerbach
> Chipper is one guy whos strongly contributes to all of those revenue
> streams. Others less so, and they get paid less. But since he
> contributes in a less replaceable way to the overall winning, eh gets
> a big piece of th pie.
Of course, that's not true at all. Millwood, Furcal, et al. make next
to nothing in comparison. Chipper gets the big piece of the pie mainly
because others are restricted from getting it. It has nothing to do
with "worth" -- these salaries (or more to the point, discrepancies in
salaries) are products of completely artificial rules to begin with.
There is nothing natural or righteous about Chipper making 75 times as
much as a guy like Furcal. It is absolutely no secret why this is such
a hot issue -- the U.S. is the most economically stratified of the
industrialized nations and continues to pull away from the pack, and
people probably aren't overjoyed at having their noses rubbed in it on
the sports page as well.
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JointChiefs
: much as a guy like Furcal.
Or me, for that matter! If I had his money for 2 at bats, I wouldn't have
to work for a year!
David A. Paulk
Jamorie wrote in message <20000824214445...@ng-cm1.aol.com>...
>David A. Paulk wrote:
>
>>David Marc Nieporent wrote in message <8o3olq$afp$1...@shell.monmouth.com>...
>>>In <Qzbp5.6725$OE4....@news1.atl>, mmb <mbl...@bellsouth.net> claimed:
>>>
>>>>Asking everybody "Who elected you?" everytime someone talks about
baseball
>>>>salaries. The fact of the matter is, baseball salaries are way out of
>>wack!
>>>
>>>"Out of wack [sic]" with what?
>>
>>out of "wack" with the chickenfeed the AFLAC duck makes for doing his
>>commericials? now, *there's* a star worth $15M a year!
>>
>>David
>>
>
>Wouldn't that be "duck" feed? <g>
considering where that poor duck ends up at times (the men's steam room, for
instance), I think they may be slipping something hallucinogenic intp
whatever they're feeding him :-)
>
>Anyways, while I find the AFLAC commerical quite entertaining, I get a real
>kick out of the Holiday Inn commericals. "Marky, go to your room." I'm
almost
>at the point of feeling sorry for the doofus.
>
>jam
if that was a real family, my money would be on mom, dad and grandma waking
up one night, tied to their beds with the house on fire around them, and
Marky doing a victory dance on the front lawn, waving a box of matches over
his head...
David
Unknown
>to nothing in comparison. Chipper gets the big piece of the pie mainly
>because others are restricted from getting it. It has nothing to do
>with "worth" -- these salaries (or more to the point, discrepancies in
>salaries) are products of completely artificial rules to begin with.
>
>a hot issue -- the U.S. is the most economically stratified of the
>industrialized nations and continues to pull away from the pack, and
>people probably aren't overjoyed at having their noses rubbed in it on
>the sports page as well.
Apples and oranges. Chipper Jones is a major league veteran, Rafael
Furcal was a minor league before this year. Chipper has proven he can
contribute to a winning team, Furcal is just now showing that and has
not yet done it consistently (from a season to season basis). Chipper
has won an MVP award, Frucal MIGHT win a Rookie of the Year award.
If Furcal does what Chipper has done, he'll be rolling in the dough
soon enough.
Dan
JPM, III
guilty of quite often. That's all I have to say for you.
[snip]
> And they're all wrong
[snip]
JPM, III
[snip]
> and they're taking advantage of it.
[snip]
Colin William
> > and they're taking advantage of it.
Okay, I feel like I am talking to a wall repeatedly asking you this, since
you have evaded at great length this poijt. But I'll ask again -
understanding that Murdoch, Steinbrenner, and Time Warner are not going to
lower ticket prices if they are selling 2-4 million tickets a year, why do
you prefer that they get to keep the money instead of their best players?
Colin
Dick Sidbury
JointChiefs wrote:
>
> : There is nothing natural or righteous about Chipper making 75 times as
> : much as a guy like Furcal.
>
> Or me, for that matter! If I had his money for 2 at bats, I wouldn't have
> to work for a year!
If you could do what he (typically) does in 2 at bats you might get
paid what he does.
dick
JPM, III
every time I've tried to express it, so I'm finished with it. MOVE ON,
because I'm through with this. I didn't expect any of you to magically see
things through my eyes, so stop acting like I did.
"Colin William" <cwi...@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:znCp5.56696$IX6.2...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...
JointChiefs
: : > Or me, for that matter! If I had his money for 2 at bats, I wouldn't
have
: > to work for a year!
:
: If you could do what he (typically) does in 2 at bats you might get
: paid what he does.
:
: dick
Agreed! But I could pick the two at bats where he stands there and looks
stunned!! : )
David Marc Nieporent
JPM, III <jpmc...@hotmail.com> claimed:
>> > No person is worth any amount of money.
>> So I take it you work for free?
>No, I live by the rules of the world I'm forced to live in.
Ah. So when you said that "No person is worth any amount of money" and
that "Money is completely unnecessary," you meant _on Neptune._ I see.
Well, that clears things up.
>That doesn't
>mean that it's the way things should be. I'm sure you know all about doing
>things you don't like because it's "necessary."
But you said earlier in the thread that it was "completely unnecessary."
Which is it?
>Example, any subject in
>school that you studied even though you knew it had nothing to do with your
>aspired career and no pertinence to anything "necessary" in life.
I'm guessing economics and logic weren't among the subjects you studied.
--
David M. Nieporent Roberto Petagine for the
niep...@alumni.princeton.edu Hall of Fame
Sam Hutcheson
wrote:
>There is a reason why I've chosen to ignore you. You've missed the point
>every time I've tried to express it, so I'm finished with it. MOVE ON,
>because I'm through with this. I didn't expect any of you to magically see
>things through my eyes, so stop acting like I did.
well, i've completely missed your point as well. do you believe that
there is some romantic notion of "value" which ought to be applied to
this situation rather than the pragmatic version of which
colin/terry/everyone else is using? i'm honestly asking. what do you
mean by value? because if by value you mean anything vaguely
concerned with the practical economic concerns of the particular
market in question then i don't see how you're doing anything but
avoiding the question.
s/
*****
"They're playing good baseball, but I don't think any
of us are overly concerned.... We're still the team
that's in first. As long as we go out and win, they
can't catch us."
Tom Glavine, on the NY Mets, 8/14/2000
Sam Hutcheson
wrote:
>There is nothing natural or righteous about Chipper making 75 times as
>much as a guy like Furcal. It is absolutely no secret why this is such
>a hot issue -- the U.S. is the most economically stratified of the
>industrialized nations and continues to pull away from the pack, and
>people probably aren't overjoyed at having their noses rubbed in it on
>the sports page as well.
but this is a *completely different discussion.* if someone is going
to critique the stratification of wealth in capitalism (a valid
critique in my world, i assure you) through the example of Major
League Baseball as Microcosm then they'd be better served to *not
bitch about some workers making lots of money.*
Walter Jowers
start their own ball league(s), build ballyards, hire ballplayers, negotiate
for TV/radio deals and create their own little world-o-ball. They can pay
their players $20K, and see who shows up to watch.
Oh, wait. We've already got that. It's called the Minor Leagues.
WJ
Scott Willsey
tar...@SportsMail.Net crafted the following using only a keyboard and a
mouse...
>
> Ah, but all those "unnecessary" subjects made you a more well rounded
> person. :^)
>
I think it was the Jack in the Box and the Burgerville down the road
that did it for me.
Scott
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mouse...
>
> Anyways, while I find the AFLAC commerical quite entertaining, I get a real
> kick out of the Holiday Inn commericals. "Marky, go to your room." I'm almost
> at the point of feeling sorry for the doofus.
>
I'm getting so I hate those. I like the original one, where the guy in
the background wrecks his bike. The newest one, especially, is not very
funny at all.
> jam
>
> "What do you think this is, a Holiday Inn?"
>
I like those too. With just a tad more demotivation, I could be that
guy!! :)