I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule? -- Remove "antispam" and ".invalid" for e-mail address.
> I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after > using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule?
AFAIK, I believe the referee is not allowed to take the rest off the table. It is the player who takes the rest off the table, hands it to the referee who puts it away.
The reasoning behind this would be that if anyone makes a foul with the rest, it would automatically be the player who makes the foul, not the referee.
I'm not entirely sure, but I'll ask a friend of mine - he's a referee, so surely he'll know for sure.
> > I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after > > using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule?
> AFAIK, I believe the referee is not allowed to take the rest off the table. > It is the player who takes the rest off the table, hands it to the referee > who puts it away.
> The reasoning behind this would be that if anyone makes a foul with the > rest, it would automatically be the player who makes the foul, not the > referee.
That's what I thought, but watching the World Championship on the telly I have seen the referee remove the rest on a number of occasions.
> I'm not entirely sure, but I'll ask a friend of mine - he's a referee, so > surely he'll know for sure.
> Best regards,
> Ikke
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if the ref removes the rest, he/she is contravening the rules and leaving themselves open to ridicule when something goes amiss. Myself, as a qualified referee, never takes any equipment of the table, 1. because of the above and 2. I don't like lazy players :)
>> > I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after >> > using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule?
>> AFAIK, I believe the referee is not allowed to take the rest off the >> table. >> It is the player who takes the rest off the table, hands it to the >> referee >> who puts it away.
>> The reasoning behind this would be that if anyone makes a foul with the >> rest, it would automatically be the player who makes the foul, not the >> referee.
> That's what I thought, but watching the World Championship on the telly > I have seen the referee remove the rest on a number of occasions.
>> I'm not entirely sure, but I'll ask a friend of mine - he's a referee, so >> surely he'll know for sure.
>> Best regards,
>> Ikke
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> > I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after > > using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule?
> AFAIK, I believe the referee is not allowed to take the rest off the table. > It is the player who takes the rest off the table, hands it to the referee > who puts it away.
> The reasoning behind this would be that if anyone makes a foul with the > rest, it would automatically be the player who makes the foul, not the > referee.
> I'm not entirely sure, but I'll ask a friend of mine - he's a referee, so > surely he'll know for sure.
> if the ref removes the rest, he/she is contravening the rules and leaving > themselves open to ridicule when something goes amiss. > Myself, as a qualified referee, never takes any equipment of the table, > 1. because of the above and > 2. I don't like lazy players :)
> >> > I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after > >> > using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule?
> >> AFAIK, I believe the referee is not allowed to take the rest off the > >> table. > >> It is the player who takes the rest off the table, hands it to the > >> referee > >> who puts it away.
> >> The reasoning behind this would be that if anyone makes a foul with the > >> rest, it would automatically be the player who makes the foul, not the > >> referee.
> > That's what I thought, but watching the World Championship on the telly > > I have seen the referee remove the rest on a number of occasions.
> >> I'm not entirely sure, but I'll ask a friend of mine - he's a referee, so > >> surely he'll know for sure.
> >> Best regards,
> >> Ikke
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Let us get this into perspective:
If there is any doubt about the striker being potentially able to commit a foul whilst the rest is on the table the referee will not intervene. But if there is no obvilous or potential foul situation, it is probably ok for the referee to remove the rest in the interests of the flow of play. Referees are taught to remove and reset the rest from players in the course of play when there is no likelihood of the striker making a foul. This allows the game to flow freely e.g. when the striker has potted a red the reeree will normally take the rest as this allows the striker to determine which colour he wishes to hit, but if the striker uses the rest to pot a coloour, the referee will leave the rest to the player and respot the colour as this will asssist the flow of the play.
The referee, if properly trained will never prevent the striker from making a foul but will assist the flow of play in any frame.
I hope this makes the situation clear, for clarity I am a referee examiner and therefore have some insight into referee training.
> On May 24, 10:10 am, "rensclan" <rensc...@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > if the ref removes the rest, he/she is contravening the rules and leaving > > themselves open to ridicule when something goes amiss. > > Myself, as a qualified referee, never takes any equipment of the table, > > 1. because of the above and > > 2. I don't like lazy players :)
> > >> > I thought there was a rule that the player had to remove the rest after > > >> > using it, not the referee. Was there ever such a rule?
> > >> AFAIK, I believe the referee is not allowed to take the rest off the > > >> table. > > >> It is the player who takes the rest off the table, hands it to the > > >> referee > > >> who puts it away.
> > >> The reasoning behind this would be that if anyone makes a foul with the > > >> rest, it would automatically be the player who makes the foul, not the > > >> referee.
> > > That's what I thought, but watching the World Championship on the telly > > > I have seen the referee remove the rest on a number of occasions.
> > >> I'm not entirely sure, but I'll ask a friend of mine - he's a referee, so > > >> surely he'll know for sure.
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Ikke
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> Let us get this into perspective:
> If there is any doubt about the striker being potentially able to > commit a foul whilst the rest is on the table the referee will not > intervene. But if there is no obvilous or potential foul situation, it > is probably ok for the referee to remove the rest in the interests of > the flow of play. Referees are taught to remove and reset the rest > from players in the course of play when there is no likelihood of the > striker making a foul. This allows the game to flow freely e.g. when > the striker has potted a red the reeree will normally take the rest as > this allows the striker to determine which colour he wishes to hit, > but if the striker uses the rest to pot a coloour, the referee will > leave the rest to the player and respot the colour as this will > asssist the flow of the play.
> The referee, if properly trained will never prevent the striker from > making a foul but will assist the flow of play in any frame.
> I hope this makes the situation clear, for clarity I am a referee > examiner and therefore have some insight into referee training.
Thank you.
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