Re: Saturday (8/1) PAP Sheet at Saratoga picks COLD $4,321.00 Pick Four!!
Mr.Trust
"RayGordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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>Since my haters hate seeing me win, here's one that'll really get them
>going.
Gordo who hates seeing you win? I haven't seen one post complaining that
you've won money at the track.
I've seen posts complaining that your a troll and a fuckhead, and a
newsloon, and an asshole, and a pedophile, and a psycho, and a liar, and a
fraud, and a hack, and a plagiarist, and a harasser of women and children,
and delusional, and insufferable, and fat, and a gender confused little
mamas boy.
But I've never seen any post mad that you've won at the track. In fact,
nobody seems to know or care about your track results, until you start
screaming about them.
Like I said, if you can consistently win using your system, good for you...
you've finally found something you don't entirely suck at.
But it seems you're leaving out your losses... how often are your picks
wrong? If someone bet all your picks would they bet at a net negative
balance or net positive. Like I said, if you pick a loser for every winner,
then you're doing no better than chance. And if you pick two losers for
every winner, then you're doing worse than chance.
Didn't you have a book on how to break even at the track...what a joke. One
can break even for free by not betting.
> $2 into 4k in ONE BET. All provable, since the sheet was up on the
> site before the race went off.
Then why did you say it was one bet on races 2-5... isn't that 4 bets or
more? I mean 2 bucks into a grand is still impressive if you can do it
consistently. But what you list below looks more like a whole complex
series of progressively larger bets with a bankroll contingent on
progressive wins.
>$2 into 4k in ONE BET. All provable, since the sheet was up on the
>site before the race went off.
If you had these picks before the race, did you bet them, or just pick them?
If you just picked them, then there's no way to know for sure when you
uploaded the pdf file. Did you post these picks to a horse betting
group...something that would be date/time stamped? What would stop you from
making several pdf files, then quickly uploading one the second the races
end and simply claiming it was up before the race?
Like someone claiming they picked the lottery numbers 7 times.... yet
they've never won the lottery.
So far you've claimed you won a few grand, and seem to have only done so
once. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming your IRS docs were
not fake, that means you've won significant money once and you've not
repeated this.
Why are you not winning thousands every race day? If I had a super sure
thing guaranteed system that worked, I'd be raking in the cash every race...
not on usenet trying to spam some shitty book. Yet you're apparently more
interested in trying to sell the system, rather than use it. Seems odd to
me... like a guy who can't even get a woman to take a picture with him,
trying to sell seduction advice.
> Our FREE Sheet from Saturday, August 1 at Saratoga picked a COLD Pick
> Four that paid $4,321.00 for $2 on Races 2-5!! We also have a FREE
> sheet up on the site and available for Sunday's (August 2) Haskell Day
> program at Monmouth Park! You can download the sheet from Saturday at
> Saratoga AND the sheet for Sunday at Monmouth by going to:
>
> http://www.toosmarttofail.com/pap.html
>
> First post for Haskell Day at Monmouth is Noon ET/9:00 AM PT!
>
> As for Saturday at Saratoga, our COLD pick four started in the second
> with Hoopoe taking an off-the-turfer at a $3.60 mutuel. We then
> followed up in the 3rd with Dixieland Star getting up at a $9.70
> mutuel with William Thomas second for a COLD $21.00 exacta and Phantom
> Gunslinger third for a COLD $87.50 Trifecta (and fifth pick Edashor
> running fourth for a $1,731.00 superfecta) along with a COLD $19.60
> double on Races 2-3. In the fourth, Antitrust got up for us at a
> $10.20 win mutuel to complete both a $68.00 COLD double on Races 3-4
> and a COLD $129.00 Pick Three on Races 2-4. The COLD $4,321.00 Pick
> Four on Races 2-5 was capped off when Retriver took the 5th at a
> $35.00 mutuel along having a COLD $241.50 Double on Races 4-5 and a
> COLD $1,825.00 Pick Three on Races 3-5 in addition to the Pick Four!!
>
That seems like more than one bet... but then I don't bet horses, so I'm not
familiar with the process. But it looks like a progressive betting system
that takes winnings from earlier races and uses them for larger and larger
bets on later races. If that's the case, then how many of your picks have
failed to do this?
Are you claiming you gave them 2 bucks once, and they handed you back 4
grand and that's it?
Why the hell would you be wasting a second on Usenet if you could
consistently, walk up to the track and turn 2 bucks into 4 grand?
Do you also have a zillion bucks in a bank in Zimbabwe, and you need my bank
account number to transfer it to?
Mr.Trust
"RayGordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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>On Aug 1, 11:11 pm, Price and Probability <PriceProbabil...@aol.com>
>wrote:
> Just an alert:
>
Why is the usenet timestamp of your post to alt.sport.horse-racing about
your picks at 11:11PM that night, long after the races were over?
Why not the day before?
JJTj
>Why is the usenet timestamp of your post to alt.sport.horse-racing about
>your picks at 11:11PM that night, long after the races were over?
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(for those of you off drugs, 11:11 (AM or PM, in any time zone) is the OFFICAL
"ray-ality" time zone. U see 11:11 (digital or analog..it takes time, but
you look forward to it)....and all us big bad RICO villains can stop, laugh,
& KNOW that elsewhere on this planet, others RIGHT NOW are also laughing..)
ANYONE who has ever laughed at Gordon Roy Parker (AKA Ray Gordon) can join in !
Set ya cell phone for it..call yer friends.. Do it via an Atomic Clock
setting for EST, and it's like lining up all da planets.. I am Jupiter..
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Date: 1998/03/27
Subject: My FORMAL Comment on the "death wish"
<------------You seem to think I fear death. I fear death no more than
Jesus did. I was Jesus in a past life, you see. That's how I know he wasn't
Christ. Note that I will be 32 years old in 1999. I won't say more.
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From: ray______gor...@juno.com (Ray Gordon)
Subject: If You Must Hate Women So Much, Why Bother Those Of Us Who
Don't???????
Date: 05 Aug 1998 00:00:00 GMT
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<---------If I'm right about being Jesus, your afterlife won't be fun.
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> From: iteachhypno...@aol.come4menow (Ray Gordon)
> Newsgroups: alt.romance
> Date: 20 Feb 2001 00:04:52 GMT
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> Subject: AMAZING PROOF WOMEN ARE WHORES
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> I go online as a female secretary looking for work again.
>
>
> Idiot lawyer solicits me for a job.
>
>
> Gives me his REAL name.
>
>
> His pic.
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> The name of his firm.
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> The name of the previous secretary he "wore out" before firing her.
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> And a TON of other evidence which I could EASILY use to verify his
> identity.
>
>
> I thought about all the "Defenders of women" and how SILENT they'd be
> EVEN IF I posted all the evidence here.
>
>
> Never mind that he SOLICITED A PROSTITUTE in addition to
> discriminating.
>
>
> This is a very good-looking man. Very successful.
>
>
> What you folks would call a "winner."
>
>
> I wonder what God would call him?
>
>
> Of course, people would STILL say it's MY attitude, even in the face
> of evidence like this.
>
>
> Nothing makes me suicidal more quickly than to see this up front.
>
>
> I believe suicide should be a fundamental legal right.
>
>
> Suicide on demand.
>
>
> My body, my choice.
>
>
> A lawsuit can make that a reality. If I win, EVERY person gets the
> right to end their lives at any time for any reason.
>
>
> I think of all the neurotic women who would go off the deep end at
> some point under that law and how the gene pool would self-cleanse so
> quickly.
>
>
> I do have pity for the people who know these truths and ignore them,
> and what God will do to them for trying to blame me and for ignoring
> what happens to "women" while pretending to be their defenders.
>
>
> DISCLAIMER: I left USENET but have returned as "one-way Ray." I post
> but refuse to respond to people who can't handle truth about women and
> who feel compelled to lie about me.
>
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------------- Gordon Roy Parker on the day of 9/11 ------------------
>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Not
>>a one."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"This attack happened in my HOMETOWN, a hometown I do not
>>live in or work in because of illegal behavior. I hope those
>>who swiped my ability to live there enjoy the message they got from GOD
>>today.........."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"In that building existed little more than a bunch of companies
>>which hire "office whores" and the like. I have no sympathy for
>>employment discriminators, and if someone had to die in this attack, I
>>couldn't think of a better group of people for the terrorists to pick."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"Now you know what it's like to see your horrors mocked the way mine
>>have been. That's not mental illness, that's a political message,
>>apparently delivered quite brilliantly."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Their own
>>evil is what prevented me from being among the dead, and which added the
>>"Unknown Office Whore" to their numbers because god forbid some loser
>>executive would have to hire a man.Those corporations could have hired
>>me, put me to work in that building, let me live in NYC, and experience
>>all of the fun that's going on up there now."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11
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** You admitted (see below) you ".wished."
** a child would die, JUST to get revenge on
** her mother for her crime of ".loving you."
SO, the question is, Mr. Gordon Roy Parker:
".how old was Michelle's daughter Cierra
when you "wished" she would die, and if
your "wish" could come true, what would
you "wish" to happen to her.. ?????? ."
...Usenet records seem to note her age at 6 or 7...
..again..PLEASE..for the record... Tell us all..
Does this refresh your memory, Mr. Parker..?
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>>Cc: cave...@nni.com
>>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:58:08 -0400
>>Subject: Ray Takes FULL RESPONSIBLITY For The Michelle Mistake
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>>WARNING: If Oedipus, Krusty or Tusky respond to this message in any way,
>>I will return to ASF immediately. If they want me off that newsgroup
>>they can stay the hell out of my threads.
>>Read up. I post this not for myself, because I don't care what people
>>think of me. I post this for my METHOD, because it's being destroyed by
>>attacks on its creator.
>>I am going to clear the record on a few things here:
>>1. I DID wish death on Michelle's daughter Cierra. I did so in an
>>attempt to snap her back to reality after she had used others' defamation
>>of me as leverage to get me to want her. Why did I "hurt" her? I DID
>>NOT TALK TO HER. That's correct: my crime with Michelle was not falling
>>back in love with her after she had fallen in love with me for four
>>months, IMing me constantly, E-mailing me constantly, BEGGING me to love
>>her the way I "loved" "Dominique" (these two are in quotes because I
>>neither loved her nor necessarily knew her).
>>2. Wishing death on someone is not a crime. The words were spoken in
>>anger, after MONTHS of provocation
Main Entry: mo�lest
Pronunciation: m&-'lest
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French molester, from
Latin molestare, from molestus burdensome, annoying; akin to
Latin moles mass
1 : to annoy, disturb, or persecute especially with hostile
intent or injurious effect
2 : to make annoying sexual advances to; especially : to
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- mo�les�ta�tion /"mO-"les-'tA-sh&n, "m�-, -l&s-/ noun
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Krus T. Olfard
@newsfe17.iad:
> In fact,
> nobody seems to know or care about your track results, until you start
> screaming about them.
>
The thing I find funny is that gordy roy parker has lied in this
newsgroup so often (I still have your lying posts, gordy roy) that even
if he is telling the truth and has suddenly and miraculously became a
great winner... why no one would believe him.
Pathetic baybee...
--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.
The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language
Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.
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| At my age a woman's mind should |
| be more important than her body.|
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Mr.Trust
"Mr. G" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:25:00 UTC, "Krus T. Olfard" <bra...@odor.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mr.Trust" <Odi...@cox.net.nospam> wrote in news:zIpdm.24447$sC1.20023
>> @newsfe17.iad:
>>
>> > In fact,
>> > nobody seems to know or care about your track results, until you start
>> > screaming about them.
>> >
>>
>> The thing I find funny is that gordy roy parker has lied in this
>> newsgroup so often (I still have your lying posts, gordy roy) that even
>> if he is telling the truth and has suddenly and miraculously became a
>> great winner... why no one would believe him.
>>
>> Pathetic baybee...
>>
>
> It would be very much appreciated when you reply to Gordon Roy P, if you
> would eliminate alt.sport.horse-racing from his original crossposts to
> keep
> your replies just in your group. Most of us in horse-racing know who and
> what he is, and our general course of action is to just ignore him or
> killfile him. This works fairly well. Thank you all for your
> consideration.
>
Really...gordo is not a huge gambling phenom with vast throngs of adoring
fans in horse racing circles?
Chade
> "RayGordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
> > with Hoopoe taking an off-the-turfer at a $3.60 mutuel. We then
> > followed up in the 3rd with Dixieland Star getting up at a $9.70
> > mutuel with William Thomas second for a COLD $21.00 exacta and Phantom
> > Gunslinger third for a COLD $87.50 Trifecta (and fifth pick Edashor
> > running fourth for a $1,731.00 superfecta) along with a COLD $19.60
> > double on Races 2-3. In the fourth, Antitrust got up for us at a
> > $10.20 win mutuel to complete both a $68.00 COLD double on Races 3-4
> > and a COLD $129.00 Pick Three on Races 2-4. The COLD $4,321.00 Pick
> > Four on Races 2-5 was capped off when Retriver took the 5th at a
> > $35.00 mutuel along having a COLD $241.50 Double on Races 4-5 and a
> > COLD $1,825.00 Pick Three on Races 3-5 in addition to the Pick Four!!
>
> That seems like more than one bet... but then I don't bet horses, so I'm not
> familiar with the process. But it looks like a progressive betting system
> that takes winnings from earlier races and uses them for larger and larger
> bets on later races.
That what it looks like to me. Bookies love these kind of bets and
promote them heavily, often they have brightly coloured forms (at
least in Britain) so you can put lots of indervidual bets on one form
as a 'multiple'. You hand over cash for the first bet, any winnings
are used as the stake for later bets. The reason bookies love these
bets is that just one miss means you lose every thing. They are
generally known as 'mug bets'. If your so confident that the horse in
the last race will win your willing to stake thousands on it, why
would you only bet on it if your picks in all the other races win?!?
The other weird thing is that he's betting excata and trifectas. This
is where you don't just bet on the horse coming first, but also on the
horse coming second (and possibly third). The reason this is a weird
bet is because the second best horse doesn't necessarily some second.
Sometimes the best horse 'beats' the second best part way round, when
they are jostling for the best position to go round a bend or
whatever, once beaten the jockey often eases up on the tiring second
best horse so it's less likely to be injured. This gives poorer rivals
an opportunity to pass.
I've taken a look at Ray's 'PAP' sheet for the first of August. In
some of the races he's shouting about he's tipped more than one horse
as a potential winner. This is fair enough in it's self, if he doesn't
know a single clear winner it's fair enough to say so. However what he
seems to be doing is saying that if you had a multiple bet that
included the two winners he predicted *and* the actual winners from
the shortlists he drew up of possible winners *and* this weird
trifecta shit *then* you'd have made a fortune (provided you ignored
the races on the tip list where he was completely wrong of course).
Chade
>
> I've taken a look at Ray's 'PAP' sheet for the first of August. In
> some of the races he's shouting about he's tipped more than one horse
> as a potential winner. This is fair enough in it's self, if he doesn't
> know a single clear winner it's fair enough to say so. However what he
> seems to be doing is saying that if you had a multiple bet that
> included the two winners he predicted *and* the actual winners from
> the shortlists he drew up of possible winners *and* this weird
> trifecta shit *then* you'd have made a fortune (provided you ignored
> the races on the tip list where he was completely wrong of course).
Actually I think he's betting on the shortlist to win, but the point
still stands. He's picking out his just his successes for the
multiple, and ignoring his misses.
Chade
>
> I think he's betting on the shortlist to win,
No, the others in the shortlist dropped out before the race leaving
one which won. He still only counts his successes in his accumulator
though.
Teddybear
"Chade" <ch...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:50e58ac4-9330-490c...@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
In layman's terms, by not showing his losses he can be up on the races he
reports but very down overall. This is not a surprise to those of us who
know this guy. False and misleading is his middle name.
Chade
Ray's picking out his hits from a days tips and basically saying 'if I
bet on this one I got right then put all the winnings on the next one
I got right and so on I'd make a fortune. Especially if I'd bet on the
first and second and/or third in order where I'd got that right too'.
Which is true enough, but there's nothing on his original tips list
that says 'put these bets into an accumulator but make sure you leave
these ones out'. Putting all your winnings on one miss, and his
original tips list included misses, means you have lost it all.
If you'd just picked out his most favoured tips for the day and put
all those in an multiple 'to win' accumulator you'd come away with
(less than) nothing.
Usually to rate a tipster or system or something in British Racing
what you'd do would be to calculate the overall profit/loss* to the
same stake on each bet. If you do that for Ray's PAP sheet for the
first of August, betting two dollars on each of Ray's 'to win' tips,
you'd make a modest profit. (Ray must consider that tips list a
success that's why he's shouting about it.)
However, because of the chance factor everyone has good days and bad
days. Most sensible people are interested in long term trends. The
fact that of all the past PAP sheets he's produced I can only find one
archived on Ray's site makes me very suspicious about his long term
trends.
However, I have managed to get hold of some, not all, of his other old
PAP sheets. I won't say which ones unless Ray publishes all his back
catalogue. (We wouldn't want history to be re-written without trace
would we). Using the above level stake assessment for all the PAP
sheets I have access to (including the one he's shouting about), PAP
would be making a loss overall.
* I don't know how the US tax system works so my calculated profit/
loss is gross not net.
Teddybear
Gordon is not known for sticking to anything for very long. He has a yahoo
group on hypnosis that he hasn't posted to for years, a blog that is still
up but hasn't been posted to for many months, his own USENET group that he
abandoned years ago, and the list goes on.
At one point he was accused of posting his betting sheets after the event so
he couldn't lose. If there are any other sheets I would be greatly
surprised. He also claims to be a seduction guru (no followers), a world
class gymnastics coach, a wall stree genius, and a great legal mind. He's
also admitted in Court that he's an unmedicated bi polar.
JJTj
>He also claims to be a seduction guru (no followers), a world
>class gymnastics coach, a wall stree genius, and a great legal mind. He's
>also admitted in Court that he's an unmedicated bi polar.
Face it, Parker is an "inexcusable failure" at everything he has
ever done. He claimed to be jesus. Wanted to kill himself because
he wasn't a woman. Wanted to marry a 13 yr old. Wished children
to die. Don't forget his 9/11 rants. Chat room logs show he went
after under aged children, seduction bound. Claims his herpes helps
him to pick up women, IE: "Improves his game". Blames his deceased
mother for his problems. The list goes on and on, see below:
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------------Sung to the N.Y. Dolls song "Personality Crisis" ----
YEEEAAHHHHH!!! YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH..
<WAIT> NO NO NO NO ..NO NO NO.. N0! N0!
Well we can't take him this week
And his dolls can't write another S-P-E-A-CCCCC-HHH !!!
Hoping for a better day when this newsloon just goes away..
all' about that "..inexcusable failure.."
...if he likes it &/or no-t..
But now his um, 'hellen' & herpes, 'dats whot he got..
(Judge hadd'a rule about that "..inexcusable..") yeah...yeah yeah yeah...
But now he needs to be a man, now he got to be 'da man'..
AND he KNOWS he gots to do it all, NOW NOW WOWS !!!
But he thinks about the times he fails, on every account..
Cause it sure gets to be a 'drag' when he wants 2 kill his'self..
he has to deal with "..AOL.." chat rooms where he molested about
(He molest' 'bout..)
All 'bout his "..inexcusable failure.."
..a Judge told him that.....that's what he got..
But now his mommie, and dollies, 'dats all he got..
Judge GOTTA SHOUT ABOUT HIS "..inexcusable.."
YEAH YEAH YEAH...YEAH...
<break for crowd to think the song is over..>
And he's a... coward hate monger on that 9/11 afternoon..
<livin proof of a real lonnie-toon ! ! >
change on into da sock-puppet, fooling no 1 2 soon..
he WETS his UNDER-ROOOOOSSSSSS!!!!!!
......"..inexcusable failure.."
if he likes it &/or no-t....It's always "..NOT.."
But now um, 'hellen' and herpes ' dats whot he got..
That loser "..INEXCUSABLE FAILURE !!!!.."
YEAH YEAH..YEAH YEAH..
Now, with all da perks and free rides that his mommie pays 4
His dollies become his 'private friends' nite n day..4
That "..inexcusable.." 's (failing to do it all againnnnn)
(ah ah..no longer fun..)
"..inexcusable.." will his pain ever end..?
<not 2 B so much like a..>
"..inexcusable.." impression of a joke,
..n 2 pretend 2 pretend 2 pretend too pretend,
"..inexcusable Failure.."
dreams of celebrities he'll never meet
(he lives their life off television)
Talkin' about that "..inexcusable failure.."
if he likes it &/or no-t....It's always "..NOT.."
But now um, 'hellen' and herpes ' dats whot he got..
hey grp-ie don't you worry
"..inexcusable failure.." please don't cry
he's just a "..inexcusable failure.." and cannot stop
Because he walks a "..inexcusable.."
Talks a "..inexcusable failure.."
Chade
>
>
> At one point he was accused of posting his betting sheets after the event so
> he couldn't lose. If there are any other sheets I would be greatly
> surprised.
Although there are no new sheets there at the moment, Ray *has* posted
at least some of his tip sheets on his site before the races were run.
With the exception of the PAP sheet dated the first of August (where
Ray has a reasonable hit rate), there are currently no PAP sheets that
I can find on Ray's site. I can't authenticate the first of August
sheet as currently hosted as pre-race. That doesn't mean it isn't,
just that I can't authenticate it.
I don't have copies of the versions of all the sheets he posted prior
to the races, but I have some. Of course Ray might have altered his
original tips in the light of the actual race results and posted them
somewhere, I don't know I don't follow him about.
If I calculate the profit/loss for the sheets I have pre-race versions
of in the way I've described PAP makes a loss (even when I include the
August the first sheet currently on his site - one sheet that I've
included that I can't authenticate).
>He also claims to be a seduction guru (no followers), a world
> class gymnastics coach, a wall stree genius, and a great legal mind. > He's
> also admitted in Court that he's an unmedicated bi polar.
I'm not trying to rate Ray in terms of personality but as a tipster.
Using the normal method for rating tipsters I've described, on the pre-
race tips I can authenticate, PAP comes down on the wrong side of
profit/loss.
Of course if I could get more of Ray's tips (that I was confident had
been released pre-race) I could do further analysis.