AGM Batteries
George Ghio
"A "gel" or an "absorptive glass mat(AGM)" are used to hold the
electrolyte in place.They use internal "oxygen recombination" to
suppress most hydrogen gas evolution so do not need topping up with
water (and actually can't be topped up). Some gel type VRLAs (Valve
Regulated Lead Acid) are suitable for use in solar power systems, but
AGM batteries are generally not."
- Swinburne University of Technology - Introduction to Renewable Energy
Technologies course notes.
Then we got :
That statement is just SOOOO wrong...
Since we went from gelled to the Concorde AGM our failure rate on
batteries
in SOLAR systems has dropped 80% or more. In fact, in the 6 years we
have
been selling them, we have yet to have a single failure due to anything
to
do with the batteries.
Windsun
I tend to agree with Windsun, on this issue. I have a 800 Amp/Hr 24 Vdc
AbsolyteII AGM system running my ISP hardware for four years now with
no sign of any problems. The conversion/charger is a Trace 2624 and I
charge the system for 10 hours a day (7am to noon, and 5Pm to 10Pm) with
the diesel genset. Battery System cycles from 98% charge to 85% charge
twice a day, and the system is running strong.
That is a good indorsement of AGM Technology, as far as I am concerened.
Bruce in Alaska
"Generally" is nothing more than a BULLSHIT Weasel Word, when used in
the above quote. Anyone who would use a BULLSHIT Weasel Word, doesn't
have the Stones to stand by his opinion, and needs a backdoor, to weasel
out of, when they get called on their statement. The above is a perfect
illistration of the concept of No Stones..........
Me
That's about as good an endorsement for AGM's as I've ever heard ....
Steve Spence
These four people have seen fit to disagree with the quote I posted.
Lets look at what they are doing.
But first we need to know what we are talking about.
The subject: AGM (absorptive glass mat) Batteries.
This type of battery requires special treatment when charging. Fact.
The maximum charge voltage is 2.35 volts/cell. That is a maximum of 14.1
volts for a 12 V battery. (28.2V for 24V)
The float voltage is 2.25V/cell (13.5Vfor a 12V battery)
What this means is that the voltage differential during charging is
quite small. As we all know, or should know, is that if you are trying
to bring a battery up to 13.5 volts is that the closer the charge
voltage is to the actual voltage in the battery the longer it will take
to reach the target voltage.
This is why Bruce in Alaska says;
The conversion/charger is a Trace 2624 and I charge the system for 10
hours a day (7am to noon, and 5Pm to 10Pm) with the diesel genset.
Battery System cycles from 98% charge to 85% charge.
This is a lot of hours to recover what is only a 13% discharge.
I run a similar ratio on my batteries and if I need to run my battery
charger can replace the use in three hours. At 15 volts charge voltage.
My batteries are 840 Ah.
OTOH my solar input will bring the batteries to float in the same amount
of time in the morning.
Were the batteries he chose the best for the job? I canÄ…t say. We need
more information to comment on his choice. Where are the batteries
stored? Would be a start.
If they are kept indoors where gassing would be a problem then yes AGM
batteries would be a good choice.
But does this qualify as general use? Hardly.
So what about Windsun. Is he telling the truth? First you have to take
into account he has a vested interest. He sells them. Profit margin is a
strong motivation.
Bruce lives in Alaska Windsun is in the desert. Is there a difference?
You bet there is. Bruce can get away with a higher charge voltage than
Windsun.
In hotter conditions the Charge Voltage will need to be reduced. The
reason being that during charging gas is produced and if the pressure
exceeds that of the Valve then material is lost and cannot recombine
within the battery thus reducing the batteries life.
Reducing the charge voltage means that it takes longer to recharge the
battery. This means that to get more Ah into the battery from the sun
you will need more panels. More amps at less voltage or real long sunny
days.
Does this sound like a great choice for the desert? Depends on sun hours
and temp.
AGMÄ…s have the same requirement as other lead acid batteries. What comes
out must be replaced + 10%
Then we have Å‚MeË› and Å‚SteveË› who also posted. It really is hard to
tell which has less grasp on the subject.
As you can see from the quote below (from J E Henwick at Battery Power
Systems) a Å‚very quick chargeË› can be achieved in twelve hours. While a
Å‚quick chargeË› can be done in twenty four hours.
From Battery Power Systems
Â
2.35vpc for "very quick recharge" (12-hour) used for high equalise or
recharging during solar / cycle applications
Â
2.30vpc for "quick recharge" (24-hour) used for normal equalise or
recharging during solar / cycle applications
Â
2.25vpc for "normal recharge or float applications
Â
DO NOT EXCEED 2.35vpc
Â
Be cautious in areas with High or Low temperatures, use temperature
compensation. Use of 2.30 or 2.35 in high temp environments may lead to
thermal damage to the battery, and decreased battery life.
Â
James E. Herwick
Manager, Technical Sales
Asst General Manager
Battery Power Systems, Inc.
Phone 253-931-8222
Fax 253-939-7380
So before you jump in a direction I suggest you think very carefully
about what you are doing.
AGM batteries are not generally suited to solar.
AGM batteries may suit your application.
Do you have the energy resource to feed these batteries given the
voltage requirements and slower charging that results from the lower
voltage?
George
Windsun
1. The Concorde Sunxtender AGM battery can take 4x the charge rate of a
flooded battery, and 6 times that of a gelled battery without harm.
Something you don't seem to realize is that not all AGM's are deep cycle, no
more than all flooded are. We installed our first Concorde AGM in 1998 on a
cell phone site near Ashfork, Arizona. Temperatures range from 105 in the
summer down to 10 in winter. After 7 years, we replaced the battery a couple
of weeks ago. It was still working, but the owners were nervous about it.
2. We sell batteries worldwide, not just in Arizona. And BTW, we are located
in Flagstaff - right now there is something like 18 foot of snow just a few
miles away up at the snowbowl. Current temperature outside my house is 24
degrees. So much for desert conditions.
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> The suitability of AGM(VRLA) batteries.
>
> So what about Windsun. Is he telling the truth? First you have to take
Steve Spence
off-grid renewable energy batteries are AGM's. The Concordes
specifically outshine the other off-grid master, the Trojan L16 ....
Take your "generally" and stick it to your clueless customers, and stop
quoting dubious sources as proof of your own issues.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
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Contributing Editor
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Bruce in Alaska
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Would you consider selling the used battery bank? I got a friend that
is in AZ right now, but is coming north to his cabin in a couple of weeks
and would be interested in your used bank, if the price is right.
Bruce in alaska email if yes <br...@btpost.net>
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George Ghio
Steve Spence <spe...@green-trust.org> wrote:
> Swinburne University of Technology is full of it. Some of the best
> off-grid renewable energy batteries are AGM's. The Concordes
> specifically outshine the other off-grid master, the Trojan L16 ....
>
> Take your "generally" and stick it to your clueless customers, and stop
> quoting dubious sources as proof of your own issues.
>
>
> Steve Spence
> Dir., Green Trust
> http://www.green-trust.org
>
> Contributing Editor
> http://www.off-grid.net
> http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
>
> >
> > From Battery Power Systems
> >
> > 2.35vpc for "very quick recharge" (12-hour) used for high equalise or
> > recharging during solar / cycle applications
> >
> > 2.30vpc for "quick recharge" (24-hour) used for normal equalise or
> > recharging during solar / cycle applications
> >
> > 2.25vpc for "normal recharge or float applications
> >
> > DO NOT EXCEED 2.35vpc
> >
> > Be cautious in areas with High or Low temperatures, use temperature
> > compensation. Use of 2.30 or 2.35 in high temp environments may lead to
> > thermal damage to the battery, and decreased battery life.
> >
> >
> > James E. Herwick
> > Manager, Technical Sales
> > Asst General Manager
> > Battery Power Systems, Inc.
> > Phone 253-931-8222
> > Fax 253-939-7380
> >
> >
> > So before you jump in a direction I suggest you think very carefully
> > about what you are doing.
> >
> > AGM batteries are not generally suited to solar.
> >
> > AGM batteries may suit your application.
> >
> > Do you have the energy resource to feed these batteries given the
> > voltage requirements and slower charging that results from the lower
> > voltage?
> >
> > George
What a wank.
George Ghio
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ok you say that the concorde at 12V will take a charge at a voltage of
60V.
Then you replaced a set at seven years. Yep sounds like a retailer to me.
And there is snow today.
I'll get back to you when I stop laughing.
Windsun
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> In article <r3ZVd.675$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Ok you say that the concorde at 12V will take a charge at a voltage of
> 60V.
No, I never made any such claim, you did.
> Then you replaced a set at seven years. Yep sounds like a retailer to me.
So, for a battery with an expected 5 year life, there is something wrong
with us replacing it at 7 years, at the customers request? What am I
missing here?
>> And there is snow today.
>
> I'll get back to you when I stop laughing.
CLIMATOLOGICAL REPORT (DAILY)
CDUS45 KFGZ 041534 CLIFLG CLIMATE REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FLAGSTAFF,
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SUMMARY FOR MARCH 4 2005... VALID AS OF 0800 AM LOCAL TIME. CLIMATE NORMAL
PERIOD 1971 TO 2000 CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1898 TO 2005 WEATHER ITEM
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(LST) VALUE VALUE FROM YEAR
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..................................................................
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PRECIPITATION (IN)
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TO DATE 0.08 0.40 -0.32 0.42 SINCE SEP 1
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5.14 5.71 2.24
SNOWFALL (IN)
TODAY 0.0 11.0 1923 0.9 -0.9 5.0 MONTH
TO DATE T 3.5 -3.5 5.5 SINCE SEP 1
111.1 76.0 35.1 43.9 SINCE JUL 1 111.1
76.0 35.1 43.9 SNOW DEPTH T
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WIND SPEED 6 HIGHEST WIND DIRECTION S (200) HIGHEST GUST
SPEED 7 HIGHEST GUST DIRECTION S (200) AVERAGE WIND SPEED
0.4
WEATHER CONDITIONS THE
FOLLOWING WEATHER WAS RECORDED TODAY. FOG
FOG W/VISIBILITY < 1/4 MILE
RELATIVE HUMIDITY (PERCENT)
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92 100 AM AVERAGE 96
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THE FLAGSTAFF AIRPORT CLIMATE NORMALS FOR TOMORROW
NORMAL RECORD YEAR MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 48
68 1910 MINIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 21 -5
1948
SUNRISE AND SUNSET MARCH
4 2005.........SUNRISE 652 AM MST SUNSET 625 PM MST MARCH 5
2005.........SUNRISE 651 AM MST SUNSET 626 PM
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TEMP.............................................M MIN
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TODAY.......................................0.0 SNOW DEPTH AT 5
AM...................................0 PRECIPITATION SO FAR THIS
MONTH......................0.06 PRECIPITATION FROM JANUARY 1ST TO
DATE...............10.45 PRECIPITATION LAST YEAR TO
DATE......................3.05 SNOWFALL SO FAR THIS
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1ST............................104.3 SNOWFALL LAST YEAR SEASON TO
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George Ghio
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> -
> "George Ghio" <gh...@netconnect.com.au> wrote in message
> news:ghio-53DEC9.0...@news.chariot.net.au...
> > In article <r3ZVd.675$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>
> > Ok you say that the concorde at 12V will take a charge at a voltage of
> > 60V.
>
> No, I never made any such claim, you did.
Well no I didn't actually. Whay you were saying is what I already said.
They can take more amps.
But if you have a twelve volt battery and a twelve volt charger current
will not flow. The fact is that AGM batteries can only be charged at
14.1V Maximum. 2.35V per cell. And as stated by Battery Power Systems
a "very quick charge" can be done in 12 HOURS.
Stick them on a micro hydro and I will back your choice.
>
> > Then you replaced a set at seven years. Yep sounds like a retailer to me.
There you go Bruce. Scrap lead.
>
> So, for a battery with an expected 5 year life, there is something wrong
> with us replacing it at 7 years, at the customers request? What am I
> missing here?
Well an expected life of twenty years as for the Absolyte IIP would be a
good start.
>
> >> And there is snow today.
> >
> > I'll get back to you when I stop laughing.
And I'm still laughing.
Robert Morein
> In article <r3ZVd.675$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Ok you say that the concorde at 12V will take a charge at a voltage of
> 60V.
>
> Then you replaced a set at seven years. Yep sounds like a retailer to me.
>
> And there is snow today.
>
> I'll get back to you when I stop laughing.
Why are you doing this?
You are offensive.
John Franklin
berate people or their comments.
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williamp.n.smith
OK, you answered your own question... 8*)
George Ghio
"Robert Morein" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
For your education.
> You are offensive.
What more offensive than Windsun's misinformation?
AGM batteries have uses. They are very good batteries for some
applications. Not so good for others.
When it comes to solar applications a battery which can be charged "very
quickly" in twelve hours is not really suited.
And to be able to equlise your batteries in a mere twenty-four hours,
well, what a great idea for use with solar where on a really good day,
in the right location, you might get as much as eight hours of useful
sun. More likely only five or six hours.
14.1 Volts. That's it. Exceed this and you will damage the batteries.
Once they vent you can't put it back. Material lost = less life.
From the information below you can see that a .05 volt difference equals
a twelve hour difference in time of charge.
Go on work it out. Equalise at 14.1 Volts or equalise at 17 Volts.
I, and indeed most people who rely on the sun to recharge their
batteries, need to do so within a constrained period of time.
Generally this is considerably less than 12 hours.
Yes AGM batteries have uses. No they are not the all round great battery
for solar.
As you can see from the quote below (from J E Henwick at Battery Power
Systems) a ³very quick charge² can be achieved in twelve hours. While a
³quick charge² can be done in twenty four hours.
Windsun
I wonder why Concorde AGM's have no current limitations on charging then?
You are obviously one that has no experience at all with deep cycle AGM's,
yet you keep on going like you really know what you are talking about.
"Fastest recharge. (no current limitations with voltage regulated
recharging) " - From the Concorde AGM battery website.
"because of their very low internal resistance these batteries will fully
charge at a lower voltage, and accept a much larger charge current, so when
charging from a standard car/truck alternator these batteries will all but
fully charge, in about 2.5 to 3 hours"
"Concorde, our manufacturer of the Lifeline series, says over twice as fast.
Throw Peukert's law out the window: the physical compression of the plates
in the cell compartment, when coupled with the better quality of materials
in an AGM give it far less internal resistance than the other types.
Practically speaking this means less time to recharge your batteries while
underway."
And just in our own tests and as a demonstration, we applied a 75 amp charge
to a 95AH AGM and fully recharged it in less than 45 minutes. That was over
4 years ago and I am still using the same battery in my computer UPS system.
In short, you haven't got a clue.
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beertender
Now you've done it. You introduced the term "internal resistance".
On one hand, you're feeding the trolls. On the other, maybe he will
be gone for a while figger'n out how to completely charge an agm
without a 44Vdc source.
Now, then. How about "equalizing" agm batteries? and why!?
zero
Windsun
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George Ghio
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Funny thing. There is no model number connected to this info.
So lets say GPL-8DL
Rated at 255 Ah.
Yes I could just about believe a 3 hour charge.
But what does this mean?
Well Ok, 255 Ah divided by 3 hours is a charge current of 85 Amps.
This is equal to say 17 - 80 watt panels.
Hmmm. 17 - 80 Watt panels to charge one 12 Volt battery. Sounds like a
retailers dream come true.
Anyone care to work out how many 80 Watt panels it would take to charge
a 12 Volt 1020 Ah battery bank in three hours?
That means 4 - GPL-8DL batteries in parallel. Which also means 68 panels.
Sorry Windsun but you will have to do better than this if you want to be
taken seriously.
So let's say you have a system in an area that has 5 PSH(Peak Sun Hours)
and 1020 Ah of Concord GPL-8DL batteries with a load of 10 kWh over
night. Inverter efficiency 90%. Battery Efficiency 95%. How many panels
are required to replace that 10 kWh load in the five hours?
Assume a 12V system so you dont need to run a series/parallel battery
set.(For simplicitys sake)
Windsun
panels? Where did this 10kwh load come from? I was talking about a single 95
AH battery.. and you come up with all this off the wall stuff that has no
relation to a thing I said.
Of course, I should have expected that.
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Gymn Bob
something to say. Maybe a few will listen to you then. This appears to be
your goal here.
Why is every disagreement here start with "You're a fucking asshole"? Try
having a little more confidence and stop the personal attacks.
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Solar Guppy
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John Franklin
really nothing to do with freakin' batteries anymore. Grow up, get a life!
Gymn Bob
Let's see. Oh yeah, You fucking troll. You morphed again and slipped
everybody's kill filters. Why do you have to keep doing that?...LOL
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Solar Guppy
language of any of the posters
After I proved you wrong on the heritage of the M5 , you dropped off the
scene , I guess all good things must come to an end with your rude and
disgusting return to the alt.solar.photovoltaic board
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williamp.n.smith
>And just in our own tests and as a demonstration, we applied a 75 amp charge
>to a 95AH AGM and fully recharged it in less than 45 minutes.
In fact, the Gates (now Hawker) Cyclon cells, which were the zeroth
AGM batteries, can essentially charge in 15 minutes!
williamp.n.smith
>You morphed again and slipped
>everybody's kill filters. Why do you have to keep doing that?...LOL
Uh, Gym-head, you really ought to seek professional counseling, it'll
do you a world of good. Why do I have 5 global entries for you in my
kill filter?
[If anyone else is still here, anyone know how to get Agent to add a
kill file entry based on "X-Complaints-To: ab...@golden.net" or some
such?]
JB
goodies with, but who needs it in the battery room? I'm not trying
to crank over a Pratt/Whitney. Kind of High Priced. Won't be doing
any EQ charging from the panels for a long time either.
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George Ghio
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What in the world are you talking about?? Who said anything at all about
> panels? Where did this 10kwh load come from? I was talking about a single 95
> AH battery.. and you come up with all this off the wall stuff that has no
> relation to a thing I said.
>
> Of course, I should have expected that.
>
Well first, this is Alt.solar.photovoltaic
Second, you said that AGM batteries are ideal for solar power systems/
Third, What kind of system is designed around 1 - 95 Ah battery
The point was that AGM batteries are not generally suited to solar.
I give you the chance to show how it works in a home system and you
start to waffle.
You seem to be saying that AGM batteries are ideal for solar if you
charge them from a truck alternator.
The question was very simple
5 hours of useable sun
10kwh discharge
And 1020 Ah of batteries
Is this beyond your ability?
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Steve Spence
homes, but he doesn't know, so it's pointless.
Better suited than an L16 or a T105, the most widely found off-grid home
battery.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
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wmbjk
<gh...@netconnect.com.au> wrote:
>In article <LIgXd.3800$oO4....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> What in the world are you talking about?? Who said anything at all about
>> panels? Where did this 10kwh load come from? I was talking about a single 95
>> AH battery.. and you come up with all this off the wall stuff that has no
>> relation to a thing I said.
>>
>> Of course, I should have expected that.
>I give you the chance to show how it works in a home system and you
>start to waffle.
No, he didn't.
>You seem to be saying that AGM batteries are ideal for solar if you
>charge them from a truck alternator.
No, he said that you don't know what you're talking about. And as
usual, you're trying to divert attention from your original claim -
that AGMs are "only good for playing with" or some such nonsense. What
part of "1400 successful systems" don't you understand?
>The question was very simple
>
>5 hours of useable sun
>
>10kwh discharge
>
>And 1020 Ah of batteries
>
>Is this beyond your ability?
I doubt there's much beyond his ability. But that doesn't mean he
should answer your irrelevant questions.
Wayne
Windsun
many total systems have you installed?
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Windsun
AGM's, just like there are different flooded. And I suspect his actual
experience with AGM's (or any type of battery or system) is very limited.
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Gymn Bob
this alley.
I would like ot know mare about AGM batteries. The only ones I have seen
cannot discharge more than a few amperes and are not suitablefor cranking
engines or big surge loads.
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Gymn Bob
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Windsun
And you must be new here - good old George has been shooting himself in the
foot here in this forum for months.
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Gymn Bob
mean I am one of the old boys club here then?
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Gymn Bob
provide. This is all basic kindergarten battery info. Am I missing
something?
I thought you could enlighten us minnons about the different types of AGM.
Last thing I heard they could take much current in or out.
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Gymn Bob
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George Ghio
wmbjk <wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote:
And the man who can't define 2 days autonomy has spoken.
George Ghio
"John Franklin" <jpf...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> This thread has taken on the air of a pissing contest, has
> really nothing to do with freakin' batteries anymore. Grow up, get a life!
>
>
Thank you John. You are right on the money. It comes down to George is
wrong because (insert name here) says so.
Not worth the effort.
Gymn Bob
vehemently?
"George Ghio" <gh...@netconnect.com.au> wrote in message
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Windsun
> If I called you a complete asshole and swore at you a few times would that
> mean I am one of the old boys club here then?
>
OK, my last word on this, since I finally put George in the killfile, but
here are some past statements that has made in these newsgroups. Funny thing
though, while searching google I came across this statement by you TO George
in another group: "You're just a fucking troll..." and this one "Could you
please be more considerate of people not wanting the bandwidth full of crap
so you can bottom comment one line?"
Or perhaps in real life you are both the same person/trolls logging in
under different names..... hmm.....
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Actually begger boy The Australian goverment paid me to come out as a
qualified welder.
As for the rest of your posts, just more nonsense. You are caught in your
own web of BS.
Thats right you are not an expert. You lead a sheltered life. Soldered
batteries are so common you probably have at least one such in you house
I will say this though, You are one arrogant puppy and I hope your
mother bites you when you get back to your kennel.
The truth, Wayne never designed his system beyond throwing money at it
until it woeked.
Steve spence is a fumble-fingered IT expert whose grip on his life is so
tenuous that at the first hard times he goes to pieces and uses these
news groups as begging bowl.
You go to a lot of trouble to look foolish
Well Claire it seems that I owe you an apology.
It seems that I have given you credit for more intelligence than you in
fact possess. After rereading your post I find that you are truly
ignorant of battery function.
Are you able to walk and chew gum at the same time?
Your little tirade is just so much BS.
etc etc etc..........
Gymn Bob
I get from most of your posts so far. I thought you might be a wealth of
information here as you talk so proudly about your own prowess. As usual
this is a sign of insecurity. I missed it once again and was trolled by an
amateur.
You had to go to the effort to find a phoney history on me, cut'n paste, to
avoid answering simple questions on your self-proclaimed expertise? This
tells me you hide behind a cloak of ignorance and the most important thing
is to look good in front of all your perceived friends here. Well you don't.
BTW: 90% of the words were never mine (in case anybody else cares)
Now you have added liar to your toolkit of skills.
Please add me to your "sees through me" list and I will do the same. Your a
waste of bandwidth.
<PLONK>
"Windsun" <wind...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Steve Spence
charge and discharge rates.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
Steve Spence
You must show a sign of expertise and knowledge in order to be accepted.
George hasn't, and isn't, and that explains his hostility. He wants to
play with the bigs boys but just can't seem to come up to par.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
Gymn Bob
<PLONK>
"Steve Spence" <spe...@green-trust.org> wrote in message
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Tony Wesley
Gymn Bob wrote:
> I wonder how you got out of my bozo bin again?
> <PLONK>
Having trouble with your kill filter?
You should take a bit of advice I read earlier:
"Either discuss pro or con, ignore mentally or physically killfilter
or shut the fuck up. All these self-proclaimed tech experts and they
haven't learned how to use their own browser yet."
Gymn Bob
"Tony Wesley" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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wmbjk
wrote:
LOL But that's not as hypocritical as his complaints about posters
changing their handles. Which was hilarious coming from a guy who's
had at least three names in the last few months - gymmy bob
http://tinyurl.com/3ujbc, gymmie bob http://tinyurl.com/4opd9, and now
gymn bob http://tinyurl.com/3wdha. He should just change it to Gymmy
Ghio and be done with it. :-)
Wayne
Me
"Gymn Bob" <not...@spam.me> wrote:
> If I called you a complete asshole and swore at you a few times would that
> mean I am one of the old boys club here then?
No, the regulars here don't allow Dufus's like you in the club,
and they certainly wouldn't allow a cretin like George in.....
Me as for me, I am not a joiner, anyway......
Gymn Bob
Ever talk PV here or just harrasment?
<PLONK>
"wmbjk" <wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote in message
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Me
"Gymn Bob" <not...@spam.me> wrote:
> Enlighten us then instead of picking on the guy. You seem to be right up
> this alley.
>
> I would like ot know mare about AGM batteries. The only ones I have seen
> cannot discharge more than a few amperes and are not suitablefor cranking
> engines or big surge loads.
Then you need to do a lot more research into AGM Technology, because your
knowledge base is limited in the extreme......
Me
Steve Spence
filter properly. Unlike you, I don't change my ID regularly.
Gymn Bob
How about you? Do you know something about AGM cells or just having a bad
life too?
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Gymn Bob
I thought for a minute I was going to have to polish my foul even more than
it is and I know the Yanks used to have conscription so I was worried for a
bit.
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wmbjk
>How about you? Do you know something about AGM cells or just having a bad
>life too?
Here's a Home Power Magazine article on the subject
http://www.poweriseverything.com/product/concorde-things-that-work.pdf
But you won't be able to comment on it 'cause you claimed to have
plonked me. Oh well.
Wayne
Gymn Bob
Thanx
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