> In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > built.
> : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > : > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > : the mistakes made and either: > : > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > : concept. > : > : OR > : > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > : in order to determine: > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > : Ireland? > : OR > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > : Italy)? > : > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > : mistakes.
> To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> : David Huang > : > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > : party leaders.
> There's nothing good about republics.
what about israel reppublic, epsztain? b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> On Nov 28, 3:51 am, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:
> > In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> > Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > > built.
> > : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > > : > > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > > : the mistakes made and either: > > : > > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > > : concept. > > : > > : OR > > : > > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > > : in order to determine: > > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > > : Ireland? > > : OR > > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > > : Italy)? > > : > > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > > : mistakes.
> > To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> > : David Huang > > : > > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > > : party leaders.
> > There's nothing good about republics.
> what about israel reppublic, epsztain? > b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> btov > haifa, israel
The important detail here for Australia is ensuring that the country ends up with a local as Head of State regardless of their ethnic background. At present they have a foreigner in that role, a "state" of affairs I am sure everyone would agree the majority of other countries would not stand for.
> On Nov 28, 6:48 pm, BTov <dkast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 28, 3:51 am, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:
> > > In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > > > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > > > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > > > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > > > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> > > Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > > > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > > > built.
> > > : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > > > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > > > : > > > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > > > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > > > : the mistakes made and either: > > > : > > > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > > > : concept. > > > : > > > : OR > > > : > > > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > > > : in order to determine: > > > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > > > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > > > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > > > : Ireland? > > > : OR > > > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > > > : Italy)? > > > : > > > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > > > : mistakes.
> > > To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> > > : David Huang > > > : > > > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > > > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > > > : party leaders.
> > > There's nothing good about republics.
> > what about israel reppublic, epsztain? > > b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> > btov > > haifa, israel
> The important detail here for Australia is ensuring that the country > ends up with a local as Head of State regardless of their ethnic > background. At present they have a foreigner in that role, a "state" > of affairs I am sure everyone would agree the majority of other > countries would not stand for.- Hide quoted text -
Indeed you would be perfectly correct.
Alas, in this as many other things, republicans are largely ignorant of Australian law. Nobody from a Commonwealth country is a foreigner.
Incidentally, since those of French or Greek descent remain nationals of those countries for eternity, will your republic be banning such foreigners from being eligible to become Australian Head of State?
> On Nov 28, 3:51 am, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:
> > In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> > Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > > built.
> > : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > > : > > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > > : the mistakes made and either: > > : > > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > > : concept. > > : > > : OR > > : > > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > > : in order to determine: > > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > > : Ireland? > > : OR > > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > > : Italy)? > > : > > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > > : mistakes.
> > To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> > : David Huang > > : > > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > > : party leaders.
> > There's nothing good about republics.
> what about israel reppublic, epsztain? > b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> btov > haifa, israel
Former Prime Minister Howard woked for Israel, didn't he? That, as well as his issuing of fiat currency, were the reasons true conservatives were compelled to vote Labor.
> On Nov 28, 6:48 pm, BTov <dkast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 28, 3:51 am, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:
> > > In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > > > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > > > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > > > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > > > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> > > Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > > > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > > > built.
> > > : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > > > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > > > : > > > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > > > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > > > : the mistakes made and either: > > > : > > > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > > > : concept. > > > : > > > : OR > > > : > > > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > > > : in order to determine: > > > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > > > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > > > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > > > : Ireland? > > > : OR > > > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > > > : Italy)? > > > : > > > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > > > : mistakes.
> > > To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> > > : David Huang > > > : > > > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > > > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > > > : party leaders.
> > > There's nothing good about republics.
> > what about israel reppublic, epsztain? > > b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> > btov > > haifa, israel
> The important detail here for Australia is ensuring that the country > ends up with a local as Head of State regardless of their ethnic > background. At present they have a foreigner in that role, a "state" > of affairs I am sure everyone would agree the majority of other > countries would not stand for.
No, I think it would be hard to find an Australian who would be a suitable Head of State, since they are descended from convicts.
The only real 'Australians' are Aborigines- everyone else are just recent imports.
On Nov 28, 1:23 pm, CJ Buyers <susuha...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Alas, in this as many other things, republicans are largely ignorant > of Australian law. Nobody from a Commonwealth country is a foreigner.
I was under the impression that the High Court of Australia had ruled in recent years that British citizens (without concurrent Australian citizenship) were foreigners.
However, legal arguments in either direction are a bit beside the point; people don't judge such things on the basis of what the law says, but rather how they think things *ought* to be.
> On Nov 28, 6:48 pm, BTov <dkast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 28, 3:51 am, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:
> > > In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > > > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > > > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > > > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > > > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> > > Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > > > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > > > built.
> > > : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > > > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > > > : > > > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > > > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > > > : the mistakes made and either: > > > : > > > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > > > : concept. > > > : > > > : OR > > > : > > > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > > > : in order to determine: > > > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > > > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > > > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > > > : Ireland? > > > : OR > > > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > > > : Italy)? > > > : > > > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > > > : mistakes.
> > > To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> > > : David Huang > > > : > > > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > > > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > > > : party leaders.
> > > There's nothing good about republics.
> > what about israel reppublic, epsztain? > > b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> > btov > > haifa, israel
> The important detail here for Australia is ensuring that the country > ends up with a local as Head of State regardless of their ethnic > background. At present they have a foreigner in that role, a "state" > of affairs I am sure everyone would agree the majority of other > countries would not stand for.
Most of the Overseas Realms, such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and so on who have freely chosen to retain the British sovereign as their Heads of State would disagree with you. They all have appointed local people to represent the Sovereign at home, and all in all this system works very well. By contrast, the performance of countries who elected a republican form of government (of whatever type, executive or parliamentary) have not fared so well. So given the choice I am perfectly prepared to "stand for" the monarchy remaining, thank you very much.
> > On Nov 28, 6:48 pm, BTov <dkast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 28, 3:51 am, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:
> > > > In alt.talk.royalty david_huang2...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > : The ouster of Howard is a good sign. Now that there are two party > > > > : leaders who champion the cause of a Republic, it should be incumbent > > > > : to further this cause: More than 60% of Australians, and more than 90% > > > > : of young Australian citizens, back the removal of this "peculiar > > > > : institution" that has no place in a modern, egalitarian society, and
> > > > Then "modern,egalitarian society" needs to be abandoned, > > > > and a society more firmly founded on loyalty to the Monarchy > > > > built.
> > > > : switch back into a Republican mode. (By Republican I do NOT mean a > > > > : George-Bush-Republican by any way!). > > > > : > > > > : Howard botched the majority's will by deviously undermining the > > > > : Republican campaign. It should be noted that it should be learned from > > > > : the mistakes made and either: > > > > : > > > > : 1. Kevin Rudd go two stages - first "Yes" or "No" to the Republic > > > > : concept. > > > > : > > > > : OR > > > > : > > > > : 2. Primary ballot question in that regard, followed by sub-questions > > > > : in order to determine: > > > > : a. Do you want a symbolic head of state elected by Parliament. > > > > : b. Do you want to switch to a Republican executive mode as in the USA. > > > > : c. Do you want to popularly elect a figurehead president like in > > > > : Ireland? > > > > : OR > > > > : d. Do you want Parliament to elect an executive president (as in > > > > : Italy)? > > > > : > > > > : This time, with an avowed Republican at the helm, do not repeat past > > > > : mistakes.
> > > > To have an avowed Republican at a helm IS a mistake.
> > > > : David Huang > > > > : > > > > : P.S. With Turnbull possibly winning the Liberal Party's ensuing > > > > : primaries, maybe it's going to turn out for the best. Two Republican > > > > : party leaders.
> > > > There's nothing good about republics.
> > > what about israel reppublic, epsztain? > > > b'wahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
> > > btov > > > haifa, israel
> > The important detail here for Australia is ensuring that the country > > ends up with a local as Head of State regardless of their ethnic > > background. At present they have a foreigner in that role, a "state" > > of affairs I am sure everyone would agree the majority of other > > countries would not stand for.
> No, I think it would be hard to find an Australian who would be a > suitable Head of State, since they are descended from convicts.
> The only real 'Australians' are Aborigines- everyone else are just > recent imports.
Oh please be sensible. If you can't then please be quiet.
On Nov 29, 3:14 am, "AGw. (Usenet)" <freder...@southernskies.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 1:23 pm, CJ Buyers <susuha...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Alas, in this as many other things, republicans are largely ignorant > > of Australian law. Nobody from a Commonwealth country is a foreigner.
> I was under the impression that the High Court of Australia had ruled > in recent years that British citizens (without concurrent Australian > citizenship) were foreigners.
> However, legal arguments in either direction are a bit beside the > point; people don't judge such things on the basis of what the law > says, but rather how they think things *ought* to be.
> -- > AGw.
You are right and CJ Buyers is wrong regarding the foreigner debate.
