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Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 6:16:26 AM7/30/12
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Obama’s Controversial Remark
Take what you want, and pay for it.
Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
that happen.”
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His
opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at
best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also
become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
Meanwhile Obama and his supporters cry foul, claiming the statement
was taken out of context. (They’d never take an opponent’s statement
out of context of course.) Some concede that Obama’s expression was
inept, but insist he wasn’t denying the value of individual
initiative. In a campaign spot Obama says, “What I said was that we
need to stand behind them [business people] as America always has. By
investing in education, training, roads and bridges, research and
technology.”
So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript
of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that
grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who
don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way.
We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make
another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask [!] for
the wealthy to pay a little bit more....
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—
because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look,
if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You
didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think,
well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart
people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody
else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking
people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen....
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
What Did He Mean?
Was Obama saying the owner of a business did not build his business or
did not build the aforementioned “unbelievable American system” and
“roads and bridges”? Under the principle of charity, I give him the
benefit of the doubt, but you can decide for yourself.
A more interesting question is why Obama bothered to state this
truism. Everyone knows that a successful business, along with
individual initiative, requires things the owner did not create.
Besides roads and bridges, a successful business requires other
businesses. Without those, where would any firm get its buildings,
materials, and machines? And remembering Say’s Law, without other
people’s productive efforts, no business would have customers: People
can buy only because they first had something to sell (goods or labor
services). Demand is supply and vice versa.
Has Obama really run across many people who think they got “there on
[their] own” only because they are smarter and harder working than
everyone else? I guess there are a few people like that, but I smell a
straw man. (Obama’s mocking tone at this point was certainly off-
putting and did not help his cause.)
So why did Obama bring it up? (“Don’t bother to examine a folly,” Ayn
Rand has a character say in The Fountainhead. “Ask yourself only what
it accomplishes.”) He seems to have had only one reason: to justify
“ask[ing] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more [in taxes].” For
him, this is the “balanced way” to cut the deficit. “I’m not going to
see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to
me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them,” he said.
Demagogue’s Appeal
Even without his objectionable defense of higher taxes on people who
don’t “need” their money (even if true, how is that relevant?), this
is a demagogue’s appeal. For one thing, no one will be asked to pay
higher taxes.
How do we know that upper-income people aren’t already paying enough
to maintain roads, bridges, and education? Maybe government foolishly
diverts tax revenues to less important purposes.
How do we know the rich and the rest of us aren’t overpaying?
Government is notoriously inefficient at providing goods and services
because it gets its revenue by force and thus never faces the market
test, which requires consumers free to say no. What does “fair” even
mean in the matter of taxation?
Why Monopoly?
More fundamentally, why assume that roads, bridges, and schools must
be provided by a coercive monopoly rather than in a free and
competitive market? Obama takes for granted that monopoly is
indispensable to prosperity, but that claim requires demonstration,
particularly in light of the drawbacks already pointed out. Before one
invokes “market failure,” one must first come to grips with
“government failure” because there is no prima facie reason to prefer
the latter to the former, even if it can even be said to exist.
Strangely, monopoly is universally despised—unless it’s run by the
government.
Not to be misunderstood, in a corporatist economy there are grounds
for concern about the wealthy to the extent that their fortunes derive
from government privilege. The solution, however, is the abolition of
privileges, not higher taxes, which merely give more resources to
mischievous public self-servants and inevitably come to haunt the
middle class.
And the fiscal crisis? The path to a solution is illuminated by the
fact that we face a crisis not because of a failure to tax—but because
of a proclivity to spend.
Thus even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he’s got this all
wrong. If he is really concerned that successful people pay too little
for the benefits they enjoy, radically freeing the market is just the
ticket. It’s the best way to honor the Spanish proverb: “Take what you
want, God said to man, and pay for it.”
Take what you want, and pay for it.
Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
that happen.”
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His
opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at
best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also
become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
Meanwhile Obama and his supporters cry foul, claiming the statement
was taken out of context. (They’d never take an opponent’s statement
out of context of course.) Some concede that Obama’s expression was
inept, but insist he wasn’t denying the value of individual
initiative. In a campaign spot Obama says, “What I said was that we
need to stand behind them [business people] as America always has. By
investing in education, training, roads and bridges, research and
technology.”
So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript
of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that
grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who
don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way.
We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make
another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask [!] for
the wealthy to pay a little bit more....
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—
because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look,
if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You
didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think,
well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart
people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody
else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking
people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen....
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
What Did He Mean?
Was Obama saying the owner of a business did not build his business or
did not build the aforementioned “unbelievable American system” and
“roads and bridges”? Under the principle of charity, I give him the
benefit of the doubt, but you can decide for yourself.
A more interesting question is why Obama bothered to state this
truism. Everyone knows that a successful business, along with
individual initiative, requires things the owner did not create.
Besides roads and bridges, a successful business requires other
businesses. Without those, where would any firm get its buildings,
materials, and machines? And remembering Say’s Law, without other
people’s productive efforts, no business would have customers: People
can buy only because they first had something to sell (goods or labor
services). Demand is supply and vice versa.
Has Obama really run across many people who think they got “there on
[their] own” only because they are smarter and harder working than
everyone else? I guess there are a few people like that, but I smell a
straw man. (Obama’s mocking tone at this point was certainly off-
putting and did not help his cause.)
So why did Obama bring it up? (“Don’t bother to examine a folly,” Ayn
Rand has a character say in The Fountainhead. “Ask yourself only what
it accomplishes.”) He seems to have had only one reason: to justify
“ask[ing] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more [in taxes].” For
him, this is the “balanced way” to cut the deficit. “I’m not going to
see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to
me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them,” he said.
Demagogue’s Appeal
Even without his objectionable defense of higher taxes on people who
don’t “need” their money (even if true, how is that relevant?), this
is a demagogue’s appeal. For one thing, no one will be asked to pay
higher taxes.
How do we know that upper-income people aren’t already paying enough
to maintain roads, bridges, and education? Maybe government foolishly
diverts tax revenues to less important purposes.
How do we know the rich and the rest of us aren’t overpaying?
Government is notoriously inefficient at providing goods and services
because it gets its revenue by force and thus never faces the market
test, which requires consumers free to say no. What does “fair” even
mean in the matter of taxation?
Why Monopoly?
More fundamentally, why assume that roads, bridges, and schools must
be provided by a coercive monopoly rather than in a free and
competitive market? Obama takes for granted that monopoly is
indispensable to prosperity, but that claim requires demonstration,
particularly in light of the drawbacks already pointed out. Before one
invokes “market failure,” one must first come to grips with
“government failure” because there is no prima facie reason to prefer
the latter to the former, even if it can even be said to exist.
Strangely, monopoly is universally despised—unless it’s run by the
government.
Not to be misunderstood, in a corporatist economy there are grounds
for concern about the wealthy to the extent that their fortunes derive
from government privilege. The solution, however, is the abolition of
privileges, not higher taxes, which merely give more resources to
mischievous public self-servants and inevitably come to haunt the
middle class.
And the fiscal crisis? The path to a solution is illuminated by the
fact that we face a crisis not because of a failure to tax—but because
of a proclivity to spend.
Thus even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he’s got this all
wrong. If he is really concerned that successful people pay too little
for the benefits they enjoy, radically freeing the market is just the
ticket. It’s the best way to honor the Spanish proverb: “Take what you
want, God said to man, and pay for it.”
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 8:45:29 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Obama�s Controversial Remark
>Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>
>�If you�ve got a business�you didn�t build that. Somebody else made
>that happen.�
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Obama�s Controversial Remark
>Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>
>�If you�ve got a business�you didn�t build that. Somebody else made
That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out of
context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
have.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 9:04:38 AM7/30/12
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It's his version of morals, you know.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 9:31:25 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
Of course, it had never been born, either.
> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 9:49:24 AM7/30/12
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>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
justify their Master's quote.
justify their Master's quote.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 9:54:05 AM7/30/12
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max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 10:02:29 AM7/30/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:7a0d18dqnsgjq5ss4...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Obama's Controversial Remark
>> Take what you want, and pay for it.
>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>> "If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
Poopoo reads the first paragraph of the essay, sees his Beloved Leader questioned, and hits the
"Reply" icon!
Too bad he didn't continue reading, for he would have found these words--
"So who's right? Let's go to the videotape. And here's the transcript
of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):..."
But he got the DNC response out here, and that's all that matters to an Obamapologist.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Obama's Controversial Remark
>> Take what you want, and pay for it.
>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>> that happen."
> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out of
> context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
> of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
> everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
> provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
> have.
OMG! This IS priceless!
> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out of
> context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
> of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
> everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
> provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
> have.
Poopoo reads the first paragraph of the essay, sees his Beloved Leader questioned, and hits the
"Reply" icon!
Too bad he didn't continue reading, for he would have found these words--
"So who's right? Let's go to the videotape. And here's the transcript
But he got the DNC response out here, and that's all that matters to an Obamapologist.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 10:26:39 AM7/30/12
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max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 10:41:05 AM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
Too bad I hear it on the radio EVERY day!
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 11:00:08 AM7/30/12
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So it must be true, right, bubbles?
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 11:24:16 AM7/30/12
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>"max headroom" <maxhe...@localnet.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
You didn't hear that by yourself. ;>
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 11:27:44 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com>
>that
>>>happen.?
not build that–somebody else made that happen,” speaking Friday
evening at a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Obama?s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>>
>>>?If you?ve got a business?you didn?t build that. Somebody else made
>>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>>
>that
>>>happen.?
>>
>> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out of
>> context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
>> of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
>> everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
>> provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
>> have.
>
>There's nothing Knickers like better than a good old lie.
>
>It's his version of morals, you know.
President Obama told supporters, “If you’ve got a business, you did
>> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out of
>> context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
>> of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
>> everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
>> provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
>> have.
>
>There's nothing Knickers like better than a good old lie.
>
>It's his version of morals, you know.
not build that–somebody else made that happen,” speaking Friday
evening at a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 11:27:44 AM7/30/12
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Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 11:27:44 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:26:39 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
Just this part..
President Obama told supporters, �If you�ve got a business, you did
wrote:
President Obama told supporters, �If you�ve got a business, you did
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 11:28:58 AM7/30/12
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>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>
>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>> their Master's quote.
>
>Liar.
You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>
>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>> their Master's quote.
>
>Liar.
Of COURSe he said it.
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 11:29:30 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Obama�s Controversial Remark
>>Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>>�If you�ve got a business�you didn�t build that. Somebody else made
>>that happen.�
>
>That's not what he said.
<LOL> That's exactly what he said...
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Obama�s Controversial Remark
>>Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>>�If you�ve got a business�you didn�t build that. Somebody else made
>>that happen.�
>
>That's not what he said.
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 11:38:37 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
needed to credit infrastructure and therefore society enabling you to
succeed. He clearly meant that one must credit society because nobody
can do anything without any help at all. Take the socialist
transportation system for example. No business could succeed if there
wasn't an efficient and safe federal and state highway system, all of
which if provided to you by society through the government road
system. This has all been explained to you before you uneducated
dolt.
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 11:40:00 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 11:41:21 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 8:45 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
Barrackoviks
so terrified.
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 11:42:36 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 11:27 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
Exactly. Like so many Leftwingers he's damned by his own quotes.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 11:41:37 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 11:27 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
Exactly.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 11:44:40 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 11:38 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
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> <maxheadr...@localnet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
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> >deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote innews:7a0d18dqnsgjq5ss4...@4ax.com:
'infrastructure' in the speech?
David Geiger
Jul 30, 2012, 11:45:33 AM7/30/12
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"deep" wrote in message news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
You lying retard.
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 11:46:32 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
> > their Master's quote.
>
> Liar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
> > their Master's quote.
>
> Liar.
Too_Many_Tools
Jul 30, 2012, 11:54:42 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 7:45 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
GOP has become by building on a lie that anyone with Google can see
through.
One can use this for a limit test...anyone who believes it, like the
over the top birther BS, is a borderline crazy ass nut.
TMT
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 11:54:15 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
> "deep" wrote in messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
I hope he repeats it over and over with just as much drooling anger,
condescension and
envy as he did the first time.
That would be fine with you, wouldn't it?
But we're never going to hear it again.
And you don't even understand why.
Silly you.
> "deep" wrote in messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>
> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>
> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> >justify their Master's quote.
>
> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> >justify their Master's quote.
>
> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
I hope he repeats it over and over with just as much drooling anger,
condescension and
envy as he did the first time.
That would be fine with you, wouldn't it?
But we're never going to hear it again.
And you don't even understand why.
Silly you.
Too_Many_Tools
Jul 30, 2012, 11:57:45 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 10:38 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
>
>
>
>
>
> <maxheadr...@localnet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
>
>
>
>
>
> >deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote innews:7a0d18dqnsgjq5ss4...@4ax.com:
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are correct.
And they know it.
The conservatives are drowning and trying to save themselves.
It will not work.
TMT
Bert
Jul 30, 2012, 12:06:40 PM7/30/12
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In news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com deep <de...@dudu.org>
wrote:
> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
Then why aren't you rich? Why didn't you start a business that employs
thousands?
You have access to exactly the same state-provided infrastructure as
everyone else.
What's wrong with you?
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
wrote:
> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
thousands?
You have access to exactly the same state-provided infrastructure as
everyone else.
What's wrong with you?
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Too_Many_Tools
Jul 30, 2012, 12:01:02 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 5:16 am, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Obama’s Controversial Remark
> Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>
> “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
> Obama’s Controversial Remark
> Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>
> that happen.”
>
> President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His
> opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at
> best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also
> become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
>
> Meanwhile Obama and his supporters cry foul, claiming the statement
> was taken out of context. (They’d never take an opponent’s statement
> out of context of course.) Some concede that Obama’s expression was
> inept, but insist he wasn’t denying the value of individual
> initiative. In a campaign spot Obama says, “What I said was that we
> need to stand behind them [business people] as America always has. By
> investing in education, training, roads and bridges, research and
> technology.”
>
> So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript
> of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
>
> But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that
> So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript
> of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
>
> grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who
> don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way.
> We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make
> another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask [!] for
> the wealthy to pay a little bit more....
>
> There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—
> because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look,
> if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You
> didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think,
> well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart
> people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody
> else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hardworking
> people out there.
>
> If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
> There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
> create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you
> to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
> business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen....
>
> The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
> individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
>
> What Did He Mean?
>
> Was Obama saying the owner of a business did not build his business or
> did not build the aforementioned “unbelievable American system” and
> “roads and bridges”? Under the principle of charity, I give him the
> benefit of the doubt, but you can decide for yourself.
>
> A more interesting question is why Obama bothered to state this
> truism. Everyone knows that a successful business, along with
> individual initiative, requires things the owner did not create.
> Besides roads and bridges, a successful business requires other
> businesses. Without those, where would any firm get its buildings,
> materials, and machines? And remembering Say’s Law, without other
> people’s productive efforts, no business would have customers: People
> can buy only because they first had something to sell (goods or labor
> services). Demand is supply and vice versa.
>
> Has Obama really run across many people who think they got “there on
> [their] own” only because they are smarter and harder working than
> everyone else? I guess there are a few people like that, but I smell a
> straw man. (Obama’s mocking tone at this point was certainly off-
> putting and did not help his cause.)
>
> So why did Obama bring it up? (“Don’t bother to examine a folly,” Ayn
> Rand has a character say in The Fountainhead. “Ask yourself only what
> it accomplishes.”) He seems to have had only one reason: to justify
> “ask[ing] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more [in taxes].” For
> him, this is the “balanced way” to cut the deficit. “I’m not going to
> see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to
> me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them,” he said.
>
> Demagogue’s Appeal
>
> Even without his objectionable defense of higher taxes on people who
> don’t “need” their money (even if true, how is that relevant?), this
> is a demagogue’s appeal. For one thing, no one will be asked to pay
> higher taxes.
>
> How do we know that upper-income people aren’t already paying enough
> to maintain roads, bridges, and education? Maybe government foolishly
> diverts tax revenues to less important purposes.
>
> How do we know the rich and the rest of us aren’t overpaying?
> Government is notoriously inefficient at providing goods and services
> because it gets its revenue by force and thus never faces the market
> test, which requires consumers free to say no. What does “fair” even
> mean in the matter of taxation?
>
> Why Monopoly?
>
> More fundamentally, why assume that roads, bridges, and schools must
> be provided by a coercive monopoly rather than in a free and
> competitive market? Obama takes for granted that monopoly is
> indispensable to prosperity, but that claim requires demonstration,
> particularly in light of the drawbacks already pointed out. Before one
> invokes “market failure,” one must first come to grips with
> “government failure” because there is no prima facie reason to prefer
> the latter to the former, even if it can even be said to exist.
> Strangely, monopoly is universally despised—unless it’s run by the
> government.
>
> Not to be misunderstood, in a corporatist economy there are grounds
> for concern about the wealthy to the extent that their fortunes derive
> from government privilege. The solution, however, is the abolition of
> privileges, not higher taxes, which merely give more resources to
> mischievous public self-servants and inevitably come to haunt the
> middle class.
>
> And the fiscal crisis? The path to a solution is illuminated by the
> fact that we face a crisis not because of a failure to tax—but because
> of a proclivity to spend.
>
> Thus even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he’s got this all
> wrong. If he is really concerned that successful people pay too little
> for the benefits they enjoy, radically freeing the market is just the
> ticket. It’s the best way to honor the Spanish proverb: “Take what you
> want, God said to man, and pay for it.”
So without his tax returns, how do we know that "Flip Flop" Mitt built
anything?
Maybe he didn't.
Without tax returns, one has to assume the worst....like he hasn't
paid income taxs for years!!!!
TMT
Fred E Brown
Jul 30, 2012, 12:10:01 PM7/30/12
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"deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Obama's Controversial Remark
>>Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>>"If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
>
>>Obama's Controversial Remark
>>Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>>that happen."
>
> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out of
> context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
> of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
> everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
> provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
> have.
"If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
> context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper context
> of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't build
> everything alone, and that you were benefitting from infrastructure
> provided by society which is other people helping you achieve what you
> have.
that happen."
It's exactly what Obama said. There was no other "context."
Obama opened his mouth and shoved his foot in it.
Period
End of Story.
Fred E Brown
Jul 30, 2012, 12:24:01 PM7/30/12
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news:cead18p9rb24mmssn...@4ax.com...
You're the Dolt. Businesses were succeeding in America long before the
federal highway system was built. In fact until President Eisenhower
signed it into law in the early 1950's there was no federal highway
system. And where do you think the state and federal governments
get the money to pay for highways and bridges, they get it from taxes
on businesses and payroll taxes on businesses employees. Until 1913
and the income tax the federal government had very little money to
pay for anything. And why is the government short of money today,
it because the economy is in poor shape, employment is down, sales
are down, tax revenue normally collected during a robust economy
is down. So, Dolt, it's business that drives the government not the other
way around.
federal highway system was built. In fact until President Eisenhower
signed it into law in the early 1950's there was no federal highway
system. And where do you think the state and federal governments
get the money to pay for highways and bridges, they get it from taxes
on businesses and payroll taxes on businesses employees. Until 1913
and the income tax the federal government had very little money to
pay for anything. And why is the government short of money today,
it because the economy is in poor shape, employment is down, sales
are down, tax revenue normally collected during a robust economy
is down. So, Dolt, it's business that drives the government not the other
way around.
Fred E Brown
Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:02 PM7/30/12
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he didn't.
It ain't working.
Fred E Brown
Jul 30, 2012, 12:31:01 PM7/30/12
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"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>
>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>
>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> justify their Master's quote.
Obama could be caught red handed jacking off to kiddy porn and
>>
>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> justify their Master's quote.
his followers would claim he was just "fact checking."
Fred E Brown
Jul 30, 2012, 12:38:01 PM7/30/12
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news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
That's not what Obama said. You're trying to put words in his mouth
that he didn't speak. Obama didn't mention "society" or "infrastructure."
He didn't even imply it.
that he didn't speak. Obama didn't mention "society" or "infrastructure."
He didn't even imply it.
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 12:38:29 PM7/30/12
to
just drown themselves. I wouldn't mind it a bit if the sociopaths
drowned themselves. They just want to take everyone with them.
>
>TMT
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 12:41:59 PM7/30/12
to
statement with ambiguous meaning, taking it completely out of context,
then demanding that they are the only ones who know what was really
meant. Use their own out of context interpretation to defame and
denigrate someone all they want. Their favorite clever form of lie
because they can insist they are telling the truth.
>TMT
max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 12:53:18 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv67ho$56f$2...@dont-email.me:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:41:05 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
> I'm sure you do.
> So it must be true, right, bubbles?
Are you implying that's NOT Beloved Leader's voice I hear?
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:41:05 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>> Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>> The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>> Too bad I hear it on the radio EVERY day!
>>> The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
> I'm sure you do.
> So it must be true, right, bubbles?
Are you implying that's NOT Beloved Leader's voice I hear?
Dänk 42Ø
Jul 30, 2012, 1:53:24 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>
> “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that
> happen.”
>
> “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that
One columnist used a good example of why this idea is ridiculous. Apple
is one of the most successful corporations in the world. Steve Jobs
created Apple. Steve Jobs commuted to his Silicon Valley office using
the highway. The California DMV built the highway and issued a driver's
license to Steve Jobs, therefore the California DMV made Apple happen.
The Soviet Union also built highways, but nothing like Apple ever emerged
from it. Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea also build highways. Again,
nothing. Though these countries provide the physical infrastructure for
commerce to occur, they do their best to thwart it, on the grounds that
capitalism and innovation leads to social inequality.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:00:04 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:28:58 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>
>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>
>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>> justify their Master's quote.
>>
>>Liar.
>
> You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>
> Of COURSe he said it.
Liar.
>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>
>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>
>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>> justify their Master's quote.
>>
>>Liar.
>
> You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>
> Of COURSe he said it.
I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:09:12 PM7/30/12
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But then, you're a sociopath. It's what you do.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:09:45 PM7/30/12
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And the GOP plunge continues...
Kumbaya Flauerpower
Jul 30, 2012, 2:23:47 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv6i34$c88$1...@dont-email.me:
> Liar.
>
> I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
HERE is a bullshit artist:
--
"If you�ve got a business. you didn�t build that."
(Barack Obama, expressing his contempt for American
business on July 14, 2012)
> Liar.
>
> I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
--
"If you�ve got a business. you didn�t build that."
(Barack Obama, expressing his contempt for American
business on July 14, 2012)
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:28:00 PM7/30/12
to
Tell us MORE, little Randroid!
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:30:45 PM7/30/12
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Here's what he said:
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me --
because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look,
if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t
get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it
must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out
get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it
must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to
thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to
-- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet
didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet
so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean,
imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way
to organize fighting fires.
"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you
know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we
funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how
we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented
the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall
together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m
running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not
on your own, we’re in this together."
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:31:58 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:32:30 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:32:55 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:33:23 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:42:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:27 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
> On Jul 30, 11:27 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Obama?s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>> >>>?If you?ve got a business?you didn?t build that. Somebody else made
>> >>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>> >that
>> >>>happen.?
>>
>> >> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out
>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper
>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>> >> achieve what you have.
>>
>> >> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out
>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper
>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>> >> achieve what you have.
>>
>> >There's nothing Knickers like better than a good old lie.
>>
>> >It's his version of morals, you know.
>>
>> President Obama told supporters, “If you’ve got a business, you did not
>> build that–somebody else made that happen,” speaking Friday evening at
>> a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
>
> Exactly. Like so many Leftwingers he's damned by his own quotes.
>>
>> >It's his version of morals, you know.
>>
>> President Obama told supporters, “If you’ve got a business, you did not
>> build that–somebody else made that happen,” speaking Friday evening at
>> a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
>
You mean THIS quote, Knickers?
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:40:27 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:44:40 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:38 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> <maxheadr...@localnet.com> wrote:
>> >deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote
>> >innews:7a0d18dqnsgjq5ss4...@4ax.com:
>>
>> >>> that happen."
>>
> 'infrastructure' in the speech?
> On Jul 30, 11:38 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <maxheadr...@localnet.com> wrote:
>> >deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote
>> >innews:7a0d18dqnsgjq5ss4...@4ax.com:
>>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>> >>> "If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>> >>> that happen."
>>
>> >> That's not what he said. You are once again attempting at an out
>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper
>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>> >> achieve what you have.
>>
>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. Taking in proper
>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>> >> achieve what you have.
>>
>> >OMG! This IS priceless!
>>
>> >Poopoo reads the first paragraph of the essay, sees his Beloved Leader
>> >questioned, and hits the "Reply" icon!
>>
>> >Too bad he didn't continue reading, for he would have found these
>> >words--
>>
>> >"So who's right? Let's go to the videotape. And here's the transcript
>> >of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):..."
>>
>> >But he got the DNC response out here, and that's all that matters to
>> >an Obamapologist.
>>
>> I heard the full statement. I know what he said. He was saying you
>> needed to credit infrastructure and therefore society enabling you to
>> succeed. He clearly meant that one must credit society because nobody
>> can do anything without any help at all. Take the socialist
>> transportation system for example. No business could succeed if there
>> wasn't an efficient and safe federal and state highway system, all of
>> which if provided to you by society through the government road system.
>> This has all been explained to you before you uneducated dolt.
>
> If he meant it then why didn't he say it. Did he mention
>>
>> >Poopoo reads the first paragraph of the essay, sees his Beloved Leader
>> >questioned, and hits the "Reply" icon!
>>
>> >Too bad he didn't continue reading, for he would have found these
>> >words--
>>
>> >"So who's right? Let's go to the videotape. And here's the transcript
>> >of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):..."
>>
>> >But he got the DNC response out here, and that's all that matters to
>> >an Obamapologist.
>>
>> I heard the full statement. I know what he said. He was saying you
>> needed to credit infrastructure and therefore society enabling you to
>> succeed. He clearly meant that one must credit society because nobody
>> can do anything without any help at all. Take the socialist
>> transportation system for example. No business could succeed if there
>> wasn't an efficient and safe federal and state highway system, all of
>> which if provided to you by society through the government road system.
>> This has all been explained to you before you uneducated dolt.
>
> 'infrastructure' in the speech?
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:40:53 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:46:32 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?
> On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>
>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>
>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>> > justify their Master's quote.
>>
>> Liar.
>>
>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>> > justify their Master's quote.
>>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:41:52 PM7/30/12
to
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:54:15 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
>> "deep" wrote in
>> messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>
>> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>
>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>> >justify their Master's quote.
>>
>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>
> I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
>> "deep" wrote in
>> messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>
>> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>
>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>> >justify their Master's quote.
>>
>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>
> I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 2:42:14 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:31:58 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:38:01 -0500, Fred E Brown wrote:
>
>> "deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
>> news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>>Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>>>>their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>>
>> That's not what Obama said. You're trying to put words in his mouth that
>> he didn't speak. Obama didn't mention "society" or "infrastructure."
>> He didn't even imply it.
>
>Here's what he said:
Just seems to complicated for the tards so they must miss the whole
point and take one out of context line and make it into a big lie. Sad
really. I just can't decide if they are so incredibly stupid they
just can't grasp it all or if they are truly corrupt and evil.
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:38:01 -0500, Fred E Brown wrote:
>
>> "deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
>> news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>>Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>>>>their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>>
>> That's not what Obama said. You're trying to put words in his mouth that
>> he didn't speak. Obama didn't mention "society" or "infrastructure."
>> He didn't even imply it.
>
>Here's what he said:
point and take one out of context line and make it into a big lie. Sad
really. I just can't decide if they are so incredibly stupid they
just can't grasp it all or if they are truly corrupt and evil.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:42:36 PM7/30/12
to
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me --
because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look,
if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t
get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it
must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out
there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to
-- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:44:09 PM7/30/12
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Without eminent domain that made post roads and rail roads feasible?
Without currency, without a legal system, without regulation of commerce?
How would Edison have done without copyright and trademark protection?
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 2:46:11 PM7/30/12
to
A good litmus test is if they heard the full quote or not. If not, they
are stupid, If they have, they are corrupt and evil.
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 3:17:21 PM7/30/12
to
On Jul 30, 2:41 pm, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:54:15 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
> >> "deep" wrote in
> >> messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>
> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>
> >> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
> >> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> >> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> >> >justify their Master's quote.
>
> >> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
> >> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
> >> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>
> > I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
>
> I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
Of course his speech was designed to appeal to people like you who
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:54:15 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
> >> "deep" wrote in
> >> messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>
> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>
> >> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
> >> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> >> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> >> >justify their Master's quote.
>
> >> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
> >> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
> >> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>
> > I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
>
> I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
envy
those who've done something with their lives.
But naturally he wasn't aiming the speech at you.
You aren't an American citizen and you can't vote.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 3:37:20 PM7/30/12
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about what he did say.
Thank you, Knickers. You may sit down now.
>
> But naturally he wasn't aiming the speech at you.
>
> You aren't an American citizen and you can't vote.
And your vote no longer matters.
> But naturally he wasn't aiming the speech at you.
>
> You aren't an American citizen and you can't vote.
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 3:47:12 PM7/30/12
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Leftists: a deep distrust
of individual action and envy for those who've been successful in
taking action on their own
initiative.
Obama’s Controversial Remark
Take what you want, and pay for it.
Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
that happen.”
President Obama’s statement sure has incited controversy. His
opponents, including Mitt Romney, are using it to brand Obama as—at
best—out of touch and—at worst—an un-American collectivist. It’s also
become the butt of jokes on the Internet.
Meanwhile Obama and his supporters cry foul, claiming the statement
was taken out of context. (They’d never take an opponent’s statement
out of context of course.) Some concede that Obama’s expression was
inept, but insist he wasn’t denying the value of individual
initiative. In a campaign spot Obama says, “What I said was that we
need to stand behind them [business people] as America always has. By
investing in education, training, roads and bridges, research and
technology.”
So who’s right? Let’s go to the videotape. And here’s the transcript
of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that
of the relevant section (emphasis added; the full speech is here):
grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who
don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced
way.
We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make
another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask [!] for
the wealthy to pay a little bit more....
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me—
because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t—look,
if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You
didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think,
well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of
smart
people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody
else. Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of
didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think,
well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of
smart
people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody
hardworking
people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed
you
to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a
people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed
you
business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen....
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
What Did He Mean?
individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
Was Obama saying the owner of a business did not build his business
or
did not build the aforementioned “unbelievable American system” and
“roads and bridges”? Under the principle of charity, I give him the
benefit of the doubt, but you can decide for yourself.
A more interesting question is why Obama bothered to state this
truism. Everyone knows that a successful business, along with
individual initiative, requires things the owner did not create.
Besides roads and bridges, a successful business requires other
businesses. Without those, where would any firm get its buildings,
materials, and machines? And remembering Say’s Law, without other
people’s productive efforts, no business would have customers: People
can buy only because they first had something to sell (goods or labor
services). Demand is supply and vice versa.
Has Obama really run across many people who think they got “there on
[their] own” only because they are smarter and harder working than
everyone else? I guess there are a few people like that, but I smell
a
straw man. (Obama’s mocking tone at this point was certainly off-
putting and did not help his cause.)
So why did Obama bring it up? (“Don’t bother to examine a folly,” Ayn
Rand has a character say in The Fountainhead. “Ask yourself only what
it accomplishes.”) He seems to have had only one reason: to justify
“ask[ing] for the wealthy to pay a little bit more [in taxes].” For
him, this is the “balanced way” to cut the deficit. “I’m not going to
see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks
to
me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them,” he said.
Demagogue’s Appeal
Even without his objectionable defense of higher taxes on people who
don’t “need” their money (even if true, how is that relevant?), this
is a demagogue’s appeal. For one thing, no one will be asked to pay
higher taxes.
How do we know that upper-income people aren’t already paying enough
to maintain roads, bridges, and education? Maybe government foolishly
diverts tax revenues to less important purposes.
How do we know the rich and the rest of us aren’t overpaying?
Government is notoriously inefficient at providing goods and services
because it gets its revenue by force and thus never faces the market
test, which requires consumers free to say no. What does “fair” even
mean in the matter of taxation?
Why Monopoly?
More fundamentally, why assume that roads, bridges, and schools must
be provided by a coercive monopoly rather than in a free and
competitive market? Obama takes for granted that monopoly is
indispensable to prosperity, but that claim requires demonstration,
particularly in light of the drawbacks already pointed out. Before
one
invokes “market failure,” one must first come to grips with
“government failure” because there is no prima facie reason to prefer
the latter to the former, even if it can even be said to exist.
Strangely, monopoly is universally despised—unless it’s run by the
government.
Not to be misunderstood, in a corporatist economy there are grounds
for concern about the wealthy to the extent that their fortunes
derive
from government privilege. The solution, however, is the abolition of
privileges, not higher taxes, which merely give more resources to
mischievous public self-servants and inevitably come to haunt the
middle class.
And the fiscal crisis? The path to a solution is illuminated by the
fact that we face a crisis not because of a failure to tax—but
because
of a proclivity to spend.
Thus even if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he’s got this
all
wrong. If he is really concerned that successful people pay too
little
for the benefits they enjoy, radically freeing the market is just the
ticket. It’s the best way to honor the Spanish proverb: “Take what
you
want, God said to man, and pay for it.”
max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 3:41:51 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv6jng$c88$4...@dont-email.me:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:53:24 -0500, D�nk 42� wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>> "If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:53:24 -0500, D�nk 42� wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>> that happen."
>> One columnist used a good example of why this idea is ridiculous. Apple
>> is one of the most successful corporations in the world. Steve Jobs
>> created Apple. Steve Jobs commuted to his Silicon Valley office using
>> the highway. The California DMV built the highway and issued a driver's
>> license to Steve Jobs, therefore the California DMV made Apple happen.
>> The Soviet Union also built highways, but nothing like Apple ever
>> emerged from it. Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea also build highways.
>> Again, nothing. Though these countries provide the physical
>> infrastructure for commerce to occur, they do their best to thwart it,
>> on the grounds that capitalism and innovation leads to social
>> inequality.
> And that's why the Chinese are clobbering the US economically.
Yup, because the Chinese care more about growth than worrying about social inequality.
>> One columnist used a good example of why this idea is ridiculous. Apple
>> is one of the most successful corporations in the world. Steve Jobs
>> created Apple. Steve Jobs commuted to his Silicon Valley office using
>> the highway. The California DMV built the highway and issued a driver's
>> license to Steve Jobs, therefore the California DMV made Apple happen.
>> The Soviet Union also built highways, but nothing like Apple ever
>> emerged from it. Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea also build highways.
>> Again, nothing. Though these countries provide the physical
>> infrastructure for commerce to occur, they do their best to thwart it,
>> on the grounds that capitalism and innovation leads to social
>> inequality.
> And that's why the Chinese are clobbering the US economically.
max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 3:42:47 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv6jsl$c88$5...@dont-email.me:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:53:18 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv67ho$56f$2...@dont-email.me:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:41:05 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>>>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>> Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>> The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>> Too bad I hear it on the radio EVERY day!
>>> I'm sure you do.
>>> So it must be true, right, bubbles?
>> Are you implying that's NOT Beloved Leader's voice I hear?
> Watch the unedited video.
> Here's what he said:
So the quote ISN'T a fake. It's exactly as reported in the link Richman provided.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:53:18 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv67ho$56f$2...@dont-email.me:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:41:05 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>>>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>> Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>> The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>> Too bad I hear it on the radio EVERY day!
>>> I'm sure you do.
>>> So it must be true, right, bubbles?
>> Are you implying that's NOT Beloved Leader's voice I hear?
> Watch the unedited video.
> Here's what he said:
max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 3:52:32 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv6khg$c88$1...@dont-email.me:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:54:15 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
> I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
That's a good way to summarize what Beloved Leader said.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:54:15 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
> I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 3:54:50 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv6kpj$c88$1...@dont-email.me:
> A good litmus test is if they heard the full quote or not. If not, they
> are stupid, If they have, they are corrupt and evil.
Such is what pinkies always think of non-pinkies.
> A good litmus test is if they heard the full quote or not. If not, they
> are stupid, If they have, they are corrupt and evil.
max headroom
Jul 30, 2012, 4:05:08 PM7/30/12
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3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv6jsl$c88$5...@dont-email.me:
> "So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you
> know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we
> funded the G.I. Bill....
With taxes.
> ... That's how we created the middle class....
With LOW taxes.
> ... That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge...
With taxes.
> ... or the Hoover Dam.....
With taxes.
> ... That's how we invented the Internet.....
Unintentionally.
> ... That's how we sent a man to the moon.....
With taxes.
> ... We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm
> running for President -- because I still believe in that idea....
With taxes.
> ... You're not on your own, we're in this together."
With taxes. Let's raise taxes!
> "So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you
> know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we
With taxes.
> ... That's how we created the middle class....
With LOW taxes.
> ... That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge...
With taxes.
> ... or the Hoover Dam.....
With taxes.
> ... That's how we invented the Internet.....
Unintentionally.
> ... That's how we sent a man to the moon.....
With taxes.
> ... We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm
> running for President -- because I still believe in that idea....
With taxes.
> ... You're not on your own, we're in this together."
With taxes. Let's raise taxes!
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 4:29:38 PM7/30/12
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"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made
that happen," said Obama.
Those were his words.
Keep denying it. It makes you look as fucking stupid as Obama does.
[chuckle]
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 4:30:59 PM7/30/12
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>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>Just seems to complicated for the tards so they must miss the whole
>point and take one out of context line and make it into a big lie.
Answer Bert's question.
Why don't you employ thousands of people and run a big company?
Why aren't you rich yet?
>Just seems to complicated for the tards so they must miss the whole
>point and take one out of context line and make it into a big lie.
Why don't you employ thousands of people and run a big company?
Why aren't you rich yet?
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 5:45:13 PM7/30/12
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"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me --
because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look,
if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t
get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it
must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell
you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it
must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to
thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business
-- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet
didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet
so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
-- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet
didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet
so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are
some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean,
imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way
to organize fighting fires.
some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean,
imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way
to organize fighting fires.
"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know
what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded
what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded
the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built
the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the
Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together
as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for
President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own,
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 5:53:14 PM7/30/12
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"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:46:32 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>
>>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>> > justify their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
>
> Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?
Ok, then lets go by your OWN transcript below.
>
>> On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>
>>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>> > justify their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
>
> Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?
Now, for the record what quote was claimed?
"“If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made
that happen.”
You called the person who presented this quote a liar.
So let's see, using your OWN transcripts below....who is lying.
<snip 12 lines and then a bit of the 13th line>
> If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Well. SOB, your OWN transcripts show him saying that EXACT quote. Which you
asserted that he didn't say and the person quoting him as doing so was
lying.
Looks like the only liar is you.
Because YOU quoted him as saying that exact statement. You said he didn't.
You lied. You claimed the person who quoted him doing so was a liar. You
lied.
He said, it and you just proved he did. Looks like you should read what you
post, lest you prove yourself to be a fool, an idiot, a liar, and stupid.
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 5:57:30 PM7/30/12
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"Liar. I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist."
did is a liar.
Thus by 3082 Dead's own standards...he's a liar for quoting Obama saying
that which 3082 Dead said Obama didn't say.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:54:15 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
>>> "deep" wrote in
>>> messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>
>>> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>
>>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>> >justify their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>>
>> I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
>
> I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
>
>
>> On Jul 30, 11:45 am, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
>>> "deep" wrote in
>>> messagenews:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>
>>> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>
>>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> >Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>> >justify their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>>
>> I hope what he says gets incorporated in his campaign stump speech.
>
> I'm sure it will. Put a dent in the narcissistic entitled class who
> think the economy and sunshine beams out their asses.
>
>" If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. "
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. "
"The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar."
"Liar."
"Liar. I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist."
"Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?"
According to 3082 Dead, Obama didn't say the above and anyone stating Obama
did is a liar.
Thus by 3082 Dead's own standards...he's a liar for quoting Obama saying
that which 3082 Dead said Obama didn't say.
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 5:58:47 PM7/30/12
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"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:31:01 -0500, Fred E Brown wrote:
>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:s54d18tuq2fpav8m4...@4ax.com...
>>> >3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>
>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>
>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>>> their Master's quote.
>>
>> Obama could be caught red handed jacking off to kiddy porn and his
>> followers would claim he was just "fact checking."
>
> Speaking of which, I see you're too lazy and dishonest to do any of your
> own. Here's what he said:
>
>"If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Yep... that's what he said alright.
>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:s54d18tuq2fpav8m4...@4ax.com...
>>> >3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>
>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>
>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>
>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>>> their Master's quote.
>>
>> Obama could be caught red handed jacking off to kiddy porn and his
>> followers would claim he was just "fact checking."
>
> Speaking of which, I see you're too lazy and dishonest to do any of your
> own. Here's what he said:
>
>"If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 5:59:37 PM7/30/12
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"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:38:01 -0500, Fred E Brown wrote:
>
>> "deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
>> news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>>Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>>>>their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>>
>> That's not what Obama said. You're trying to put words in his mouth that
>> he didn't speak. Obama didn't mention "society" or "infrastructure."
>> He didn't even imply it.
>
> Here's what he said:
>
>"If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Yep, he sure did say it, didn't he?
>
>> "deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
>> news:qkad18lim8ej7egi9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>>Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and justify
>>>>their Master's quote.
>>>
>>> If you actually listened to what he said then you would realize it
>>> needs no justification, because he spoke the absolute truth. Nobody
>>> does anything alone. Everyone is dependent upon society.
>>
>> That's not what Obama said. You're trying to put words in his mouth that
>> he didn't speak. Obama didn't mention "society" or "infrastructure."
>> He didn't even imply it.
>
> Here's what he said:
>
>"If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 6:00:47 PM7/30/12
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"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
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So are you stupid or just corrupt and evil by doing the same thing as you
accuse others of doing?
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 6:01:36 PM7/30/12
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>>
>>>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:53:18 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>
>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv67ho$56f$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:41:05 -0700, max headroom wrote:
>
>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv67ho$56f$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>>> 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jv62bd$s58$5...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>>>> Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>
>>>>> The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Obama's Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>>>>> Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>
>>>>> The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>
>>>> Too bad I hear it on the radio EVERY day!
>>
>>> I'm sure you do.
>>
>>> So it must be true, right, bubbles?
>>
>> Are you implying that's NOT Beloved Leader's voice I hear?
>
> Watch the unedited video.
>
>>
>>> I'm sure you do.
>>
>>> So it must be true, right, bubbles?
>>
>> Are you implying that's NOT Beloved Leader's voice I hear?
>
> Watch the unedited video.
>
> Here's what he said:
>
>
>"If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
So he did say it?
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 6:07:42 PM7/30/12
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Couriers, private mail.
I mean seems to be business is doing quite well today using Fed-Ex, UPS,
DHL, ect.
Hate to tell you this, but there was mail LONG before the government
established a monopoly for it.
> Without eminent domain that made post roads and rail roads feasible?
Hmmm... I'm not aware that eminent domain was ever necessary to establish a
post road, and I believe the railroads obtained their own right of ways
through private property.
Cite that eminent domain was used for either.
> Without currency, without a legal system, without regulation of commerce?
Hmmm... private currency, gold silver, etc. Seems to have worked quite well.
A legal system? Existed long before there was a federal government.
Regulation of commerce? Likewise.
> How would Edison have done without copyright and trademark protection?
Simple, been the best at producing the products he invented.
Also known as "trade secrets".
I mean seems to be business is doing quite well today using Fed-Ex, UPS,
DHL, ect.
Hate to tell you this, but there was mail LONG before the government
established a monopoly for it.
> Without eminent domain that made post roads and rail roads feasible?
post road, and I believe the railroads obtained their own right of ways
through private property.
Cite that eminent domain was used for either.
> Without currency, without a legal system, without regulation of commerce?
A legal system? Existed long before there was a federal government.
Regulation of commerce? Likewise.
> How would Edison have done without copyright and trademark protection?
Also known as "trade secrets".
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 6:08:34 PM7/30/12
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:26:02 -0500, Fred E Brown wrote:
>
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1625e7e2-7e82-4cdd...@t9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>>> This has all been explained to you before you uneducated dolt. - Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> You are correct.
>>
>> And they know it.
>>
>> The conservatives are drowning and trying to save themselves.
>>
>> It will not work.
>>
>> TMT
>>
>> Obama put his foot in his mouth and you clowns are pretending he didn't.
>> It ain't working.
Yep, he sure did.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:26:02 -0500, Fred E Brown wrote:
>
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1625e7e2-7e82-4cdd...@t9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 30, 10:38 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >innews:7a0d18dqnsgjq5ss4...@4ax.com:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:02:29 -0700, "max headroom"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> You are correct.
>>
>> And they know it.
>>
>> The conservatives are drowning and trying to save themselves.
>>
>> It will not work.
>>
>> TMT
>>
>> Obama put his foot in his mouth and you clowns are pretending he didn't.
>> It ain't working.
>
> You're a liar. Here's what he said:
>
> "If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
> You're a liar. Here's what he said:
>
> "If you’ve got a business
Yep, he sure did.
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 6:11:53 PM7/30/12
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"Dänk 42Ø" <da...@kgb.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>> “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that
>
>> Obama’s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>
>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>
>> http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>
>> happen.”
>
> One columnist used a good example of why this idea is ridiculous. Apple
> is one of the most successful corporations in the world. Steve Jobs
> created Apple. Steve Jobs commuted to his Silicon Valley office using
> the highway. The California DMV built the highway and issued a driver's
> license to Steve Jobs, therefore the California DMV made Apple happen.
Hmmm.. you have a diver's license and you commit on the highway....so why
> One columnist used a good example of why this idea is ridiculous. Apple
> is one of the most successful corporations in the world. Steve Jobs
> created Apple. Steve Jobs commuted to his Silicon Valley office using
> the highway. The California DMV built the highway and issued a driver's
> license to Steve Jobs, therefore the California DMV made Apple happen.
aren't you megawealthy?
I mean if having a driver's license and commuting is enough to cause a
successful business worth Billions...then why aren't all commuters
Millionaires at the least?
Did driver's licenses and commuting really make Apple into a megacorporation
or was it the drive of Steve Jobs that caused that?
Scout
Jul 30, 2012, 6:20:54 PM7/30/12
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"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
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> "If you’ve got a business
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Yea, they sure do show you are a liar.
> -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 6:33:52 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:11:53 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>"D�nk 42�" <da...@kgb.org> wrote in message
Scooty, you're proof that the fact that the internet exists doesn't
make a person a genius.
>
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>"D�nk 42�" <da...@kgb.org> wrote in message
make a person a genius.
>
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 6:45:14 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:09:45 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:41:37 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 11:27�am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
>>> >that
>>> >>>happen.?
the eye and claim they're not looking you straight in the eye..
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:41:37 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 11:27�am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>Obama?s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>>
>>> >>>?If you?ve got a business?you didn?t build that. Somebody else made
>>> >>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>>
>>> >that
>>> >>>happen.?
>>>
>>> >> That's not what he said. � You are once again attempting at an out
>>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. �Taking in proper
>>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>>> >> achieve what you have.
>>>
>>> >> That's not what he said. � You are once again attempting at an out
>>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. �Taking in proper
>>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>>> >> achieve what you have.
>>>
>>> >There's nothing Knickers like better than a good old lie.
>>>
>>> >It's his version of morals, you know.
>>>
>>> President Obama told supporters, �If you�ve got a business, you did not
>>>
>>> >It's his version of morals, you know.
>>>
>>> build that�somebody else made that happen,� speaking Friday evening at
>>> a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>Oh, look two sociopathic liars for the price of one!
>
>And the GOP plunge continues...
Nobody can lie like a leftist... Leftists will look you straight in
>>> a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>Oh, look two sociopathic liars for the price of one!
>
>And the GOP plunge continues...
the eye and claim they're not looking you straight in the eye..
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 6:45:14 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:33:23 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:42:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 11:27�am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>Obama?s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> >>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>>
>>> >>>?If you?ve got a business?you didn?t build that. Somebody else made
>>> >that
>>> >>>happen.?
>>>
>>> >> That's not what he said. � You are once again attempting at an out
>>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. �Taking in proper
>>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>>> >> achieve what you have.
>>>
>>> >There's nothing Knickers like better than a good old lie.
>>>
>>> >It's his version of morals, you know.
>>>
>>> President Obama told supporters, �If you�ve got a business, you did not
>>> build that�somebody else made that happen,� speaking Friday evening at
>>> a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
>>
>> Exactly. Like so many Leftwingers he's damned by his own quotes.
>
>You mean THIS quote, Knickers?
************************************************************************
> If you�ve got a business
>-- you didn�t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
************************************************************************
>The Internet
>didn�t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet
>so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
>
>"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
>individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are
>some things, just like fighting fires, we don�t do on our own. I mean,
>imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way
>to organize fighting fires.
>
>"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you
>know what, there are some things we do better together. That�s how we
>funded the G.I. Bill. That�s how we created the middle class. That�s how
>we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That�s how we invented
>the Internet. That�s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall
>together as one nation and as one people, and that�s the reason I�m
>running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You�re not
>on your own, we�re in this together."
--
"If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
that happen." -- Barack Obama
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:42:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 11:27�am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:04:38 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:45:29 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>Obama?s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>
>>> >>>Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>
>>> >>>http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/29/obamas-controversial-remark/1
>>>
>>> >>>?If you?ve got a business?you didn?t build that. Somebody else made
>>> >that
>>> >>>happen.?
>>>
>>> >> That's not what he said. � You are once again attempting at an out
>>> >> of context quote and misrepresent his position. �Taking in proper
>>> >> context of the entire statement it is clear he meant that you didn't
>>> >> build everything alone, and that you were benefitting from
>>> >> infrastructure provided by society which is other people helping you
>>> >> achieve what you have.
>>>
>>> >There's nothing Knickers like better than a good old lie.
>>>
>>> >It's his version of morals, you know.
>>>
>>> President Obama told supporters, �If you�ve got a business, you did not
>>> build that�somebody else made that happen,� speaking Friday evening at
>>> a campaign event in Roanoke, Va.
>>
>
>You mean THIS quote, Knickers?
>
>"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me --
>because they want to give something back. They know they didn�t -- look,
>if you�ve been successful, you didn�t get there on your own. You didn�t
>get there on your own. I�m always struck by people who think, well, it
>must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
>there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
>tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out
>there.
>
>"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
>There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
>create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to
>thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
Below is the key line of the speech...
>"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me --
>because they want to give something back. They know they didn�t -- look,
>if you�ve been successful, you didn�t get there on your own. You didn�t
>get there on your own. I�m always struck by people who think, well, it
>must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out
>there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
>tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out
>there.
>
>"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
>There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to
>create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to
>thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
************************************************************************
> If you�ve got a business
>-- you didn�t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
************************************************************************
>The Internet
>didn�t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet
>so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
>
>"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
>individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are
>some things, just like fighting fires, we don�t do on our own. I mean,
>imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way
>to organize fighting fires.
>
>"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you
>know what, there are some things we do better together. That�s how we
>funded the G.I. Bill. That�s how we created the middle class. That�s how
>we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That�s how we invented
>the Internet. That�s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall
>together as one nation and as one people, and that�s the reason I�m
>running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You�re not
>on your own, we�re in this together."
"If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
that happen." -- Barack Obama
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 6:45:14 PM7/30/12
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"If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
that happen." -- Barack Obama
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 6:45:14 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:00:04 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:28:58 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:28:58 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3082 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama�s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama�s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>>> justify their Master's quote.
>>>
>>>Liar.
>>
>> You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>>
>> Of COURSe he said it.
>
>Liar.
>
>I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
>>>>>
>>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>>> justify their Master's quote.
>>>
>>>Liar.
>>
>> You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>>
>> Of COURSe he said it.
>
>Liar.
>
>I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 6:53:26 PM7/30/12
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It's called "context", bubbles.
Honest people understand it.
You would not.
>
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 6:54:54 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:53:14 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
>news:jv6kfl$c88$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:46:32 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> Obama�s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>
>>>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>
>>>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>>> > justify their Master's quote.
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
>>
>> Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?
>
>Ok, then lets go by your OWN transcript below.
Oh, look. Isn't bubbles cute?
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>"3082 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
>news:jv6kfl$c88$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:46:32 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 9:54 am, 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> >>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> Obama�s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> >>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>>>>
>>>> >>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>>>>
>>>> >>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>>>>
>>>> > Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
>>>> > justify their Master's quote.
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
>>
>> Still stupid enough to get sucked in by edited video, are you?
>
>Ok, then lets go by your OWN transcript below.
When I show how Faux News Breitbarted the original speech to sucker
morons like himself, what does he do?
He RE-BREITBARTS it?
Not only a moron, but a fool!
That's our Scooty!
Steve
Jul 30, 2012, 6:59:00 PM7/30/12
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"If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
that happen." -- Barack Obama
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 8:21:49 PM7/30/12
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coverage and low cost of the PO.
>
>I mean seems to be business is doing quite well today using Fed-Ex, UPS,
>DHL, ect.
And yet USPS still costs 45 cents for a letter to cross the country.
>I mean seems to be business is doing quite well today using Fed-Ex, UPS,
>DHL, ect.
You're going to miss that once the PO is destroyed.
>
>Hate to tell you this, but there was mail LONG before the government
>established a monopoly for it.
>
No, there really wasn't. Couriers, yeah, but the postal system arose
>Hate to tell you this, but there was mail LONG before the government
>established a monopoly for it.
>
(in England first) because there was a severe need.
>> Without eminent domain that made post roads and rail roads feasible?
>
>Hmmm... I'm not aware that eminent domain was ever necessary to establish a
>post road, and I believe the railroads obtained their own right of ways
>through private property.
the government authorized railroads to use eminent domain, but it was,
nonetheless, a government power. Indeed, without the government, the
railroads would never have been built. It would have been impossible.
Post roads are government to begin with.
>
>Cite that eminent domain was used for either.
http://archive.org/details/laweminentdomai00courgoog
>Cite that eminent domain was used for either.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 8:23:36 PM7/30/12
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These are also his words...
> If you’ve got a business
>-- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
You idiot.
[chuckle]
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 8:25:10 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
Hollywood sidewalk?
Kurt Nicklas
Jul 30, 2012, 8:32:59 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 6:45 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:00:04 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
Cambodia on his Swiftboat
in Christmas 1968.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:00:04 +0000 (UTC), 3082 Dead <d...@gone.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:28:58 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
> >>>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:28:58 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>
> >>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
> >>>>>3082 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>
> >>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Obama s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> >>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> >>>> justify their Master's quote.
>
> >>>Liar.
>
> >> You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>
> >> Of COURSe he said it.
>
> >Liar.
>
> >I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
>
> "If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
> that happen." -- Barack Obama
Exactly. It's similar to the "memories" that J F Kerry had of being in
> >>>>>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:16:26 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Obama s Controversial Remark Take what you want, and pay for it.
>
> >>>>>> Sheldon Richman | July 29, 2012
>
> >>>>>Of course, it had never been born, either.
>
> >>>>>The quote is fake, and old Sheldon's a liar.
>
> >>>> Heh heh. Liberals everywhere are scurrying like rats to try and
> >>>> justify their Master's quote.
>
> >>>Liar.
>
> >> You just did it. Claiming he "didn't say it."
>
> >> Of COURSe he said it.
>
> >Liar.
>
> >I can keep this up all day, you little bullshit artist.
>
> "If you've got a business-you didn't build that. Somebody else made
> that happen." -- Barack Obama
Cambodia on his Swiftboat
in Christmas 1968.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 8:48:07 PM7/30/12
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>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>coverage and low cost of the PO.
You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
THREE times a day, in the City.
That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
Bong Spring, OR.
Did you know that?
Then Nixon fucked it up by creating the Postal Service, and it's been
downhill ever since.
The reason for their low cost? TAX MONEY. You think they were
operating off income from stamps?
>>I mean seems to be business is doing quite well today using Fed-Ex, UPS,
>>DHL, ect.
>
>And yet USPS still costs 45 cents for a letter to cross the country.
>You're going to miss that once the PO is destroyed.
Trying to think of the last time I mailed a letter.
It needed to get there overnight. I used Fed-Ex.
>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>coverage and low cost of the PO.
We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
THREE times a day, in the City.
That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
Bong Spring, OR.
Did you know that?
Then Nixon fucked it up by creating the Postal Service, and it's been
downhill ever since.
The reason for their low cost? TAX MONEY. You think they were
operating off income from stamps?
>>I mean seems to be business is doing quite well today using Fed-Ex, UPS,
>>DHL, ect.
>
>And yet USPS still costs 45 cents for a letter to cross the country.
>You're going to miss that once the PO is destroyed.
It needed to get there overnight. I used Fed-Ex.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 8:48:48 PM7/30/12
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>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Thanks for admitting that you lied, and that Obama DID say that.
[chuckle]
God, I love arguing with you stoners.
[chuckle]
God, I love arguing with you stoners.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 9:21:54 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:48 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
Oh, look, Klaus has finally descended to the level of idiot troll.
The right wingers all do, once they realize they aren't competent
enough to debate and can't shout everyone down to lie.
The right wingers all do, once they realize they aren't competent
enough to debate and can't shout everyone down to lie.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 9:22:52 PM7/30/12
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another lie.
It's all part of being a good Christian farmboy in North Carolina.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 9:36:20 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:07 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>
>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>
>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>THREE times a day, in the City.
There was never any Sunday delivery, bubbles. Back then, the blue
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>
>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>
>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>THREE times a day, in the City.
laws were in effect.
>
>That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
>
>The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
>EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
>Bong Spring, OR.
>
>Did you know that?
>
Yes, it's in the Constitution.
>That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
>
>The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
>EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
>Bong Spring, OR.
>
>Did you know that?
>
>Then Nixon fucked it up by creating the Postal Service, and it's been
>downhill ever since.
that the GOP Congrss in 2006 mandated that the USPS PRE-FINANCE their
retirement fund for the next SEVENTY FIVE YEARS. No other entity is
under such a crushing demand.
And before you whine about the price of a letter (5% of what FedEx
charges) reflect on this: it is 3 cents in 1920 currency. In other
words, it costs the same to send a letter, and takes a day instead of
five.
>
>The reason for their low cost? TAX MONEY. You think they were
>operating off income from stamps?
>
So why destroy it?
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 10:11:34 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:21:54 -0700, 3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote:
>Oh, look, Klaus has finally descended to the level of idiot troll.
>
>The right wingers all do, once they realize they aren't competent
>enough to debate and can't shout everyone down to lie.
At least they're consistent with their single line misinterpreted out
>Oh, look, Klaus has finally descended to the level of idiot troll.
>
>The right wingers all do, once they realize they aren't competent
>enough to debate and can't shout everyone down to lie.
of context quotes. They just love that one, don't they?
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 10:12:41 PM7/30/12
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>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>
>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>
>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>THREE times a day, in the City.
>
>That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
>
>The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
>EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
>Bong Spring, OR.
Hey I've been there ! Beautiful place, but the water smells kinda
>
>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>
>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>
>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>THREE times a day, in the City.
>
>That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
>
>The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
>EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
>Bong Spring, OR.
funny.
deep
Jul 30, 2012, 10:13:49 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:36:20 -0700, 3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:07 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>>
>>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>>
>>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>>THREE times a day, in the City.
>
>There was never any Sunday delivery, bubbles. Back then, the blue
>laws were in effect.
I don't think Klaus is from here. They found him under a big cheese
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:07 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>>
>>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>>
>>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>>THREE times a day, in the City.
>
>There was never any Sunday delivery, bubbles. Back then, the blue
>laws were in effect.
wheel somewhere in the German Alps.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 10:27:16 PM7/30/12
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Kewl!
Thanks for NOT trying to deny those are your fearless leader's
"words."
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 10:30:52 PM7/30/12
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>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:07 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>>
>>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>>
>>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>>THREE times a day, in the City.
>
>There was never any Sunday delivery, bubbles. Back then, the blue
>laws were in effect.
Yes there was, you ignorant buffoon.
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:48:07 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>3082 Dead <de...@dead.dog> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>None of which could have come even remotely close to the comprehensive
>>>coverage and low cost of the PO.
>>
>>You really ARE this stupid, aren't you?
>>
>>We used to get mail delivered SEVEN days a week, two or sometimes even
>>THREE times a day, in the City.
>
>There was never any Sunday delivery, bubbles. Back then, the blue
>laws were in effect.
http://religiousliberty.tv/church-state-and-the-postal-service-the-contentious-history-of-sunday-mail-delivery-2.html
FUCK you're stupid! LOL
>>That was back when it was the Post Office, not the Postal Service.
>>
>>The government is LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE POSTAL SERVICE TO
>>EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY, whether you live in New York City or Spilled
>>Bong Spring, OR.
>>
>>Did you know that?
>>
>Yes, it's in the Constitution.
>>Then Nixon fucked it up by creating the Postal Service, and it's been
>>downhill ever since.
>
>Actually, it would be doing pretty well now if it weren't for the fact
>that
>And before you whine about the price of a letter (5% of what FedEx
>charges) reflect on this: it is 3 cents in 1920 currency. In other
>words, it costs the same to send a letter, and takes a day instead of
>five.
>>The reason for their low cost? TAX MONEY. You think they were
>>operating off income from stamps?
>>
>And it worked beautifully, as you yourself admit.
intended, it's gone to hell in a hand basket.
While Obama launches cruise missiles, he closes post offices and
distribution centers.
>So why destroy it?
Ask your President.
3082 Dead
Jul 30, 2012, 10:34:42 PM7/30/12
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anyway, so it comes naturally to them.
And there's no ethics or decency to get in the way...
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jul 30, 2012, 10:34:48 PM7/30/12
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>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
You're lying, as usual.
http://klaus.webege.com/dudu/dudu.htm
Deep Dudu's FORTRESS OF LIES
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