BUSH LOW IQ DOCUMENTED
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
leader.
Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
intelligence.
But those who have researched this issue see it otherwise. From the
following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
"Back in the early days Carl Brigham published a scale
for converting intelligence-test scores to SAT scores. Paul
Diederich, a contemporary of Henry Chauncey's who was for
decades a researcher at ETS, expresses a view common in the
field: "IQ tests are reading comprehension and vocabulary
doctored up to look like reasoning. To change the SAT to an
IQ you'd simply divide the score by an age measure. Basically
they're the same thing."
From the same magazine article they point out that the correlation is
.6 to .8. (My comment: The correlation for the same person taking an
IQ test twice is about .8)
This proves, as some here have questioned, that the SAT, especially
the verbal, is, in fact, an IQ test.
"The trouble with ETS's neat public distinction between
developed ability and IQ is that because of the similarity in
content between the tests, the correlation between SAT scores
and IQ is very high. Arthur Kroll, an ETS official who has
worked on the SAT, estimates that the correlation between the
verbal score and IQ is .60 to .80 -- that is, much, much higher
than the correlation between SATs and freshman grades. The
correlation is rumored in g circles to be even higher than that.
A sociologist named Steven Goldberg, in a 1991 book, wrote,
"One can not but be impressed by the astonishing correlation of
SAT scores and scores on the standard IQ tests, a correlation
about as high a nontrivial correlation as one ever finds in the
social sciences."
GOV BUSH, despite the benefits of possibly the best prep school in the
country (Andover) scored only .66 of a standard deviation above
average for those seeking to go to college. That probably puts him
substantially BELOW the intelligence of the AVERAGE US COLLEGE
GRADUATE!
GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
It may hurt - but's it's true.
Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
well.
I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Johann von Tebbes
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>leader.
>
>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>intelligence.
Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
white anglo males.
But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
jvt
>
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>>
>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>intelligence.
>
>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
>white anglo males.
As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>well.
>>
>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>>
>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>intelligence.
>>
>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>well.
>>
>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>
>Guys usually do better in Math scores then the verbals. By the
>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>
>
The verbal is akin to the IQ test, more than the math.
I went to Yale with Governor Bush, and got a hell of a lot more Honors
than he did.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
roto...@pacbell.net
Pithy wrote:
>
> In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com>,
> tyre...@workOMITmail.com says...
> >
> >Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> >
> >That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> >leader.
> >
> >Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
> >intelligence.
> >
> >But those who have researched this issue see it otherwise. From the
> >following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
> >
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
>
> I always knew George was a racist--believing standardized tests
> predict ability to achieve!!!
> >
> >It may hurt - but's it's true.
>
> Ouch!--it must really hurt to be outed as a racist, George!!!
>
> >I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
> >
> Hey--look what that "genius" nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter did
> for the country!
>
> >George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It may take a while but Gore will eventually
> discover who he is -- the guy in the crowd
> watching Bush being sworn in.
> --Mark Russell
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com>,
>tyre...@workOMITmail.com says...
>>
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>>
>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>intelligence.
>>
>>But those who have researched this issue see it otherwise. From the
>>following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
>>
>>http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
>
>I always knew George was a racist--believing standardized tests
>predict ability to achieve!!!
I'm glad you effectively concede that Bush does poorly on such tests.
Now some folks come from difficult backgrounds which might be expected
to lower their scores.
Would that explain Bush's low score?
>>
>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>
>Ouch!--it must really hurt to be outed as a racist, George!!!
I think that there are environmental explanations for the poor
performance of a subset subjected to discrimination.
I also would expect that someone from a privileged background to score
higher than his real talent.
What does that imply about Mr. Bush's real talent?
>
>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>
>Hey--look what that "genius" nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter did
>for the country!
Ok. OPEC threw the world into economic turmoil. Yet in the US, under
Carter, we had the LOWEST unemployment and the LOWEST inflation of the
big industrial nations. Carter was - number one - if you look at the
FACTS. In addition, despite the amazing external stress of OPEC, and
the burdens of gun AND butter from before his time, Carter got our
annual economic growth to about the same level as Reagan - who did NOT
have to deal with such problems, and who also artificially stimulated
the economy by writing about a trillion dollars of hot checks.
Now would Mr. Bush have a prayer of making that reply?
No - he is too dumb.
>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>
>You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
>
>About time!
Yes, we DESERVE a basically intellectually average President.
EXCELLENT POINT!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler) wrote:
>>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>
>It's the whole "normal" thing which has the leftwingers
>panties in such a wad: There is NOTHING "normal" about their
>current administration, and they realize just how kooky they
>look by comparison.
Brilliant.
>...
>I notice he "forgot" to include the math score part...
>
>
also pretty mediocre. And if you look at the sources, you will find
that it is the VERBAL test which tracks IQ - not the math. If you go
to Andover and take good courses, you can get it up with little raw
ability.
>
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Mary E Knadler
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>leader.
>
>intelligence.
>
>But those who have researched this issue see it otherwise. From the
>following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
>
>http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
>
>
>well.
>
>
>
Kurt Nicklas
>
>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>>
>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>intelligence.
>>
>>white anglo males.
>
No.
Did I mention that you are a hate-filled, ignorant bigot?
--
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Koresh them all.'
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he was not as bad a(s) Richard Nixon.
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rose...@idt.net
>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>intelligence.
>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
>white anglo males.
Well, it's OBVIOUS that it certainly leaves you out.
>
>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
WRONG, netloon of no significance.
Intelligence is a measurable quantity.
In the case of "dishonesty" you don't seem to be able to understand that merely
"believing" something to be true, don't make it so, nor does "just saying it".
Besides, it's a subjective "judgment" anyway.
And YOU sure the shit ain't shown any qualifications for making a credible
determination.
>
>
rose...@idt.net
>Guys usually do better in Math scores then the verbals. By the
>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
Why, maryloon?
Is HE running for the highest elected office in the world ??
classical.liberal
>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>leader.
You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
About time!
classical.liberal
>>
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
It's the whole "normal" thing which has the leftwingers
panties in such a wad: There is NOTHING "normal" about their
current administration, and they realize just how kooky they
look by comparison.
That's what all this whining and Bush-bashing is about.
Myself, I'm just stoked to have out-scored our next President. :)
>Guys usually do better in Math scores then the verbals. By the
>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
I notice he "forgot" to include the math score part...
bill...@my-deja.com
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
> That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> leader.
Care to post the scores of every other candidate? Then perhaps we
would have something to talk about.
Also, who's to say Bush put forth his best effort on the SAT? As is
well documented, he was quite the partier in his youth.
You talk of correlations to intelligence and all, but fail to admit
that correlation proves nothing. You throw out a single figure from a
test decades old, with no other data with which to compare it, and then
attempt to draw conclusions. Do you now realize just how idiotic your
statements appear to intelligent among us?
Are you contending that the entire measure of a man can be represented
by his performance on a single standradized test?
--
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Before you buy.
Pithy
>
>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>leader.
>
>intelligence.
>
>following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
>
>http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
I always knew George was a racist--believing standardized tests
predict ability to achieve!!!
>
>It may hurt - but's it's true.
Ouch!--it must really hurt to be outed as a racist, George!!!
>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>
Hey--look what that "genius" nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter did
for the country!
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Mary E Knadler
>
>Is HE running for the highest elected office in the world ??
>
No, I was just curious as he seems to feel so superior about judging
whether someone is "smart" or not.
I do not think even schools consider just SATs. Some people just
do better on tests than others. And they are no indication of how
well a person will do after they get out of school or even how well
they will do in school.
I know alot of the Ivy Leagues consider THE interview & how
well-rounded the person is in who they select for admission. Also
their extra-curricular activies play quite a large role. Those
who have played sports, are able to make friends & participate
in school life always have a better shot at admission.
The "nerds" have a much harder time getting accepted.
Some people are just the more academic type than others. Some
people have become millionaires with very little schooling.
So I think it is rather irrelevant over all. It really all comes
down to what a person has done with his life long after he
took the SATS at 17 or 18 years old.
Mary E Knadler
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>>
>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>intelligence.
>>
qualified
>>white anglo males.
>
>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>
>
>>>well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>
>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
yasmin2:
But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
know who he really is. Had to hire someone to help him find
himself.
His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
as a NUTCASE..
Did you hear him talking with Lesley Stahl on 60 minutes......
it was really a very strange conversation.....I had to laugh right
out loud. This man does not know who he is, if you can believe that.
To me that is scarier than ANYTHING you have ever posted about
GWB. He knows who he is & where he wants to go!
Mary E Knadler
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>On 14 Dec 1999 00:36:13 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>verbal score and IQ is .60 to .80 -- that is, much, much higher
>
>>>substantially BELOW the intelligence of the AVERAGE US COLLEGE
>>>GRADUATE!
>>>
>>>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>>>
>>>
>>>well.
>>>
>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>>
>>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>>
>>
>
>I went to Yale with Governor Bush, and got a hell of a lot more Honors
>than he did.
>
>
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
You didn't say what your SATS were. Were you in his class &
what honors did you receive.
Mary E Knadler
<li...@and.let.live> writes:
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>
>
>About time!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Pithy
tyre...@workOMITmail.com says...
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>>
>>>intelligence.
>>>
>>>following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
>>>
>>>http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
>>
>>I always knew George was a racist--believing standardized tests
>>predict ability to achieve!!!
>
Poor?
That's stretching it quite a bit, George!
>Now some folks come from difficult backgrounds which might be expected
>to lower their scores.
>
>Would that explain Bush's low score?
>
I've seen many argue that some quite bright individuals (regardless
of their backgrounds) just aren't good test takers!
>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>
>>Ouch!--it must really hurt to be outed as a racist, George!!!
>
>I think that there are environmental explanations for the poor
>performance of a subset subjected to discrimination.
>
>I also would expect that someone from a privileged background to score
>higher than his real talent.
Why?
>What does that imply about Mr. Bush's real talent?
That he is a poor test taker?
>>
>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>
>>Hey--look what that "genius" nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter did
>>for the country!
>
>Ok. OPEC threw the world into economic turmoil. Yet in the US, under
>Carter, we had the LOWEST unemployment and the LOWEST inflation of the
>big industrial nations. Carter was - number one - if you look at the
>FACTS. In addition, despite the amazing external stress of OPEC, and
>the burdens of gun AND butter from before his time, Carter got our
>annual economic growth to about the same level as Reagan - who did NOT
>have to deal with such problems, and who also artificially stimulated
>the economy by writing about a trillion dollars of hot checks.
Reagan didn't have to deal with it because he wasn't wimpy
Carter!
>Now would Mr. Bush have a prayer of making that reply?
>
>No - he is too dumb.
>
Like Reagan, he wouldn't have to!
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
silverback
>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>>
>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>intelligence.
>>
>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
>>white anglo males.
>
>Did I mention that John Tibbs is an ignorant racist?
gee I didn't know tibby was an aggie?
>
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>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>leader.
[snip]
>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>well.
>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Tyrebiter, you're either a hypocrite a dope. Here's an analogy to show why.
A number of studies show that Blacks, on average, possess significantly lower
IQs than whites or Asians. So, by your logic, we can make the following kinds
of arguments: Blacks are generally "too dumb" to do very well in school.
Blacks are generally "too dumb" to be president.
Their are two points here. Try to follow them. First, describing someone with
an average IQ as "too dumb" to do something is elitest at best and, at worst,
bigoted. Second, you totally miss the point that while there may be a
correlation between SAT and IQ scores, there is little if any evidence
suggesting any substantial relationship between IQ and effectiveness
as a political leader.
So, go bite yourself and have a nice day.
Roger Shouse
E Right
perhaps we can hope for a KANGAS Krismas
"I'm dreaming of a Kangas Krismas"
"just like the one a year ago..."
" Jimbo kangassized...
">
">On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
"><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
">
">>
">>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
">>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
">>>
">>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
">>>leader.
">>>
">>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
">>>intelligence.
">>
">>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
">>white anglo males.
">
">Did I mention that John Tibbs is an ignorant racist?
"
"No.
"
"Did I mention that you are a hate-filled, ignorant bigot?
"
Things are getting better, Jimbo graduated from Azzholes Anon...
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In article <ljhb5sg635o1cv8qp...@4ax.com>,
>tyre...@workOMITmail.com says...
>>
>>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:25:24 GMT, paulw...@mailexcite.com (Pithy)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com>,
>>>tyre...@workOMITmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>
>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>leader.
>>>>
>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>intelligence.
>>>>
>>>>But those who have researched this issue see it otherwise. From the
>>>>following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
>>>
>>>I always knew George was a racist--believing standardized tests
>>>predict ability to achieve!!!
>>
>>I'm glad you effectively concede that Bush does poorly on such tests.
>
>Poor?
>
>That's stretching it quite a bit, George!
>
>>Now some folks come from difficult backgrounds which might be expected
>>to lower their scores.
>>
>>Would that explain Bush's low score?
>>
>I've seen many argue that some quite bright individuals (regardless
>of their backgrounds) just aren't good test takers!
I suppose so. But we have OTHER evidence that Bush is "mediocre" among
national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a 566
SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a single
A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one A).
Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to other
leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
exploit the Bush name.
We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
life is consistent with it.
>
>>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>>
>>>Ouch!--it must really hurt to be outed as a racist, George!!!
>>
>>I think that there are environmental explanations for the poor
>>performance of a subset subjected to discrimination.
>>
>>I also would expect that someone from a privileged background to score
>>higher than his real talent.
>
>Why?
>
>>What does that imply about Mr. Bush's real talent?
>
>That he is a poor test taker?
More likely - he is even dumber than the test implies.
>>>
>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>
>>>Hey--look what that "genius" nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter did
>>>for the country!
>>
>>Ok. OPEC threw the world into economic turmoil. Yet in the US, under
>>Carter, we had the LOWEST unemployment and the LOWEST inflation of the
>>big industrial nations. Carter was - number one - if you look at the
>>FACTS. In addition, despite the amazing external stress of OPEC, and
>>the burdens of gun AND butter from before his time, Carter got our
>>annual economic growth to about the same level as Reagan - who did NOT
>>have to deal with such problems, and who also artificially stimulated
>>the economy by writing about a trillion dollars of hot checks.
>
>Reagan didn't have to deal with it because he wasn't wimpy
>Carter!
>
>>Now would Mr. Bush have a prayer of making that reply?
>>
>>No - he is too dumb.
>>
>Like Reagan, he wouldn't have to!
>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>
>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>leader.
>>>>
>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>intelligence.
>>>
>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>qualified
>>>white anglo males.
>>
>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>
>>
>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>well.
>>>>
>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>
>>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>>
>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>yasmin2:
>
>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>know who he really is.
I missed that. Quote?
Had to hire someone to help him find
>himself.
>
>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>
>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>as a NUTCASE..
>
>Did you hear him talking with Lesley Stahl on 60 minutes......
>it was really a very strange conversation.....I had to laugh right
>out loud. This man does not know who he is, if you can believe that.
>
>To me that is scarier than ANYTHING you have ever posted about
>GWB. He knows who he is & where he wants to go!
Only problem - he's too dumb to follow a map.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In <cv6b5sk0jbd3c08jd...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>On 14 Dec 1999 00:36:13 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>verbal score and IQ is .60 to .80 -- that is, much, much higher
>>
>>>>average for those seeking to go to college. That probably puts him
>>>>substantially BELOW the intelligence of the AVERAGE US COLLEGE
>>>>GRADUATE!
>>>>
>>>>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>>>>
>>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>>>
>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>well.
>>>>
>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>
>>>
>>>Guys usually do better in Math scores then the verbals. By the
>>>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>>>
>>>
>>The verbal is akin to the IQ test, more than the math.
>>
>>I went to Yale with Governor Bush, and got a hell of a lot more Honors
>>than he did.
>>
>>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>
>You didn't say what your SATS were. Were you in his class &
>what honors did you receive.
Bush graduated a year before me. Bush did not get a single "A."
(actually, Yale used a zero to 100 scale until Bush's last year, when
they switched to Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail). I got a lot of "A's"
and graduated with High Honors. As is probably true of many who post
here, my test scores were high. Indeed, I was very surprised to learn
that ANYONE at Yale had a score as low as the 566 Mr. Bush had. Sort
of a miracle he got C's.
He is a very nice man. I genuinely like him. But the President needs
to be really smart, IMO.
Bush is not qualified.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
kg...@my-deja.com
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
> That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> leader.
>
My understanding is that he had an overall score of 1206 (this from
Usenet, so no guarantees about accuracy).
Although this would probably not have been high enough to get him into
my alma mater, Michigan State, as an out-of-state student in the mid-
60s, it's still around the 90th percentile -- good enough for a Yale
legacy and today's presidency.
Tommy
cayenne
>
>national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a 566
>SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a single
>A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one A).
>Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to other
>leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
>more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
>exploit the Bush name.
>
>We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
>life is consistent with it.
Hmmm. The diseased and corrupt Tyrebiter making a case against
G.W. Bush based on his SAT scores--how, how, diseased and
corrupt.
Both IQ and SAT predict precisely zip when it comes to the
development of judgement, leadership skills, etc. For instance,
Bill Clinton is a slob and a criminal. What were his SAT scores?
Al Gore is a dolt and a prevaricator about his own accomplishments
and background. How well did he do on the SAT?
Did I hear you, Tyrebiter, claim that you went to Yale at the *same*
*time* as Bush? What a sorry state that place must have been in
even then to have produced a moral and intellectual cripple such
as yourself.
I'm not speaking here on behalf of G.W. Bush, but merely pointing
out to anyone who doesn't already know it that you are the author
of diseased and corrupt rhetoric and that you have a diseased
and corrupt mind.
John H. McCloskey
>
> He is a very nice man. I genuinely like him. But the President needs
> to be really smart, IMO.
>
> Bush is not qualified.
>>>>>
Was Ford?
== Yours, J. H. McCloskey == ... sobie spiewam a Muzom ... ==
Johann von Tebbes
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message
<1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com>...>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>>
>>>intelligence.
>>
>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
>>white anglo males.
>
>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>
status. eh?
>
>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>well.
>>>
>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
Johann von Tebbes
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834gb5$lke$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>
>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>leader.
>>>>
>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>intelligence.
>>>
>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>qualified
>>>white anglo males.
>>
>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>
>>
>>>>well.
>>>>
>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>
>>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>>
>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>
dumber than mediocre.
jvt
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>yasmin2:
>
>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
Johann von Tebbes
Volt...@geocities.com wrote in message
<387397ab...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>>
>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>intelligence.
>>
>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
>>white anglo males.
>
>
You've mentioned it many times, Kenneboy, It just serves to support my
contention that your side is far more prejudiced than any right winger ever
was. IE: blacks are full of hate but won't accept that other blacks MADE
their ancesters slaves. Jews are full of hate but don't realize their own
actions bring some of the dislike among others.
The intelligent blacks captured, imprisoned lawbreakers and sold them as
slaves. Of course some slaves came from tribal wars but whites didn't have
to go into the harsh jungle full of savages to get their slaves. Anyway the
western world got the dregs of Africa.
You are full of hate because your delusions about productive people being
responsible for able bodied non-producers, hateful, criminal minorities
gullible irresponsible women, etc. Chew on that, know-it-all know nothing.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>wrote:
>
>>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>leader.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>>qualified
>>>>white anglo males.
>>>
>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>>well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>
>>>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>>>
>>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
>>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>yasmin2:
>>
>>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>know who he really is.
>
You've missed a lot more than that, Geoge.
jvt
>
>
> Had to hire someone to help him find
>>himself.
>>
>>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>
>>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>>as a NUTCASE..
>>
>>Did you hear him talking with Lesley Stahl on 60 minutes......
>>it was really a very strange conversation.....I had to laugh right
>>out loud. This man does not know who he is, if you can believe that.
>>
>>To me that is scarier than ANYTHING you have ever posted about
>>GWB. He knows who he is & where he wants to go!
>
Johann von Tebbes
Roger Shouse wrote in message ...
>In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>
>
>>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>
>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>
>>well.
>
>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>
>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>A number of studies show that Blacks, on average, possess significantly
lower
>IQs than whites or Asians. So, by your logic, we can make the following
kinds
>of arguments: Blacks are generally "too dumb" to do very well in school.
>Blacks are generally "too dumb" to be president.
>
>Their are two points here. Try to follow them. First, describing someone
with
>an average IQ as "too dumb" to do something is elitest at best and, at
worst,
>bigoted. Second, you totally miss the point that while there may be a
>correlation between SAT and IQ scores, there is little if any evidence
>suggesting any substantial relationship between IQ and effectiveness
>as a political leader.
>
>So, go bite yourself and have a nice day.
>
>Roger Shouse
Sorry, Roger, he can't have a nice day because he's too full of hate.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834i7f$ull$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>
>>
>>About time!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>And a normal family.....what a breath of fresh air!
>>
MCcain's IQ is 133 and if elected he would be the most intelligent president
ever. I'll be that ticked off the Klintonistas.
jvt
>>
>
Johann von Tebbes
John H. McCloskey wrote in message <385670...@iName.com>...
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> He is a very nice man. I genuinely like him. But the President needs
>> to be really smart, IMO.
>>
>> Bush is not qualified.
>>>>>>
>
> Was Ford?
Moreso than Algore!!
walker
> >>
> >>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
> >>know who he really is.
> >
> >I missed that. Quote?
>
> You've missed a lot more than that, Geoge.
> jvt
> >
> >
> > Had to hire someone to help him find
> >>himself.
> >>
> >>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
> >>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
What a joke --
> >>
> >>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
> >>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
> >>as a NUTCASE..
Bush has been entirely managed by handlers -- all of his positions are the
result of Daddy's friends help [just as all his wealth is] -- talk about
needing someone to invent him --- To suggest that consultants say
something negative about Gore, but total puppet management of Bush says
nothing about him is a hoot.
Gore is smart, knows stuff and is intellectually curious. Bush is dufus
and proud to be a dufus.
Johann von Tebbes
walker wrote in message ...
GOOD example of non-substantive name calling. BTW 'Forest Gore' proves
'stupid is as stupid does'.
jvt
>
SON O GOD
jti...@tcainternet.com says...
>
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message
><1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com>...>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>
>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>leader.
>>>>
>>>>intelligence.
>>>
>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
>>>white anglo males.
>>
>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>
>status. eh?
No, they weren't. The Kennedeys were not accepted socially by the WASP families
who guarded Boston's Brahmin institutions in the 1940s.
>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>well.
>>>>
>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>
SON O GOD
Tyrebiter, Jr. tyre...@workOMITmail.com says...
>
>On 14 Dec 1999 04:35:57 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>wrote:
>
>>In <cv6b5sk0jbd3c08jd...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>verbal score and IQ is .60 to .80 -- that is, much, much higher
>>>
>>>>>average for those seeking to go to college. That probably puts him
>>>>>substantially BELOW the intelligence of the AVERAGE US COLLEGE
>>>>>GRADUATE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>>>>
>>>>>well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>The verbal is akin to the IQ test, more than the math.
>>>
>>>I went to Yale with Governor Bush, and got a hell of a lot more Honors
>>>than he did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>>
>>You didn't say what your SATS were. Were you in his class &
>>what honors did you receive.
>
>Bush graduated a year before me. Bush did not get a single "A."
>(actually, Yale used a zero to 100 scale until Bush's last year, when
>they switched to Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail). I got a lot of "A's"
>and graduated with High Honors. As is probably true of many who post
>here, my test scores were high. Indeed, I was very surprised to learn
>that ANYONE at Yale had a score as low as the 566 Mr. Bush had. Sort
>of a miracle he got C's.
Ivy league schools aren't like other universities. While they now emphasize
merit that was not always the case. Most folks who attended Ivy League schools
after the mid 60s remember encounters with one or more unfortunate beneficiary
of legacy admissions. They stood out like dim and flickering light bulbs. It
was painfully obvious the only reason they were there was because of their
birth in a particular family. They knew it. The other students knew it.
Until 1967, when Yale completely changed its admission policy from a one that
Yale's president Kingman Brewster described as "taking a stupid young man and
trying to prepare him for Life" to one of accepting mostly the best students
according to their merit, Andover was the feeder school for Yale. Almost anyone
who applied from Andover got in. George W. Bush, who was admitted to Yale under
its old policies in 1964, is easy to spot as one of the "stupid young men"
Kingman Brewster described when he changed the policy.
For those interested, Yale has an article on-line docuemnting its change in
Admission policies:
http://www.yale.edu/yam/Back%20Issues/Oct99toSum2000/December1999/admit.html
>He is a very nice man. I genuinely like him. But the President needs
>to be really smart, IMO.
>
>Bush is not qualified.
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Trebor
Now Governor, this is the third time I've written you, and I'm still
waiting for some sort of positive response on your part. Understand,
Gov Bush, I have nothing against you personally. I'm sure, if you
weren't in politics, we could even go out drinking together. We could
probably stay up all night swapping dirty jokes and picking up broads,
as was your custom. (Except I don't do drugs.)
But you see, it's like this Mr Bush: I need my sleep. And by that I
mean: I need to know that the guy sitting in the White House with his
finger on the trigger, is just a little smarter than I am. Because if
he isn't, if he's even dumber than I am, then I'm going to have to
stay up all night worrying about Chechnya, worrying about nuclear
poliferation, worrying about global warming.....Why? Because some
BOOB in the White House got in over his head, and doesn't know what
the hell he's doing. See? I need a president who's smarter than me
so *I* can get a good night's sleep, since it would be pointless me
worrying about all those things if somebody smarter than me is already
pacing the Oval Office worrying about them for me.
Am I getting though here Georgie? Is anybody home? Do you really
want me to lose my sleep? Do you want insomnia to become a national
epidemic? What would that do to national productivity....the crime
rate....or family values?
For God's sake George, stop this charade and drop out of the race.
Have some compassion. You really want to make this a kinder, gentler
America? Fine. Then step aside, Mr. Bush, just step aside........and
let us get some sleep.
cheers,
Trebor
Steve Lajoie
Mary E Knadler wrote:
>
> In <3855a279...@news.idt.net> rose...@idt.net writes:
> >
> >yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Guys usually do better in Math scores then the verbals. By the
> >>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
> >
> >Why, maryloon?
> >
> >Is HE running for the highest elected office in the world ??
> >
> yasmin2:
>
> No, I was just curious as he seems to feel so superior about judging
> whether someone is "smart" or not.
He operates from the assumption that high intelligence is
a job requirement for the job of president. I find that
hard to disagree with.
> I do not think even schools consider just SATs. Some people just
> do better on tests than others. And they are no indication of how
> well a person will do after they get out of school or even how well
> they will do in school.
The test are useful because of their correlation to academic
success.
It is true that other factors strongly contribute to the
success of people once out of school. Humans, like the lesser
apes and dogs, have a need for a social hierarchy. In this
case, George Bush Jr. is a contender only because his father
was alpha male. Beta's and on down in the less intelligent
folk have a innate need to do the human equivalent of sniffing
his butt to recognize his dominance.
> I know alot of the Ivy Leagues consider THE interview & how
> well-rounded the person is in who they select for admission. Also
> their extra-curricular activies play quite a large role. Those
> who have played sports, are able to make friends & participate
> in school life always have a better shot at admission.
Yes, there is a tendency of the highly intelligent to not
quite fit in with the rest of society, and they are refused
education unless they conform. Yes, we bring big dumb bastards
to the University to play the quasi professional sports teams,
but that really doesn't have anything to do with the University
itself.
Yes, "party people" are given a leg up, simply because historically
they have been able to schmooze their way up to the top better
than the intelligent who don't have the doggie drive to butt sniff.
> The "nerds" have a much harder time getting accepted.
Yep. Not based on ability, but how you fix your hair and
dress. A tribute to the power of the schmoozers.
> Some people are just the more academic type than others. Some
> people have become millionaires with very little schooling.
Becoming a millionaire is simple. Even people without brains
can do it.
> So I think it is rather irrelevant over all. It really all comes
> down to what a person has done with his life long after he
> took the SATS at 17 or 18 years old.
If intelligence is irrelevant, why not put Bonzo the Chimp
in office?
Clearly, it is relevant. Just how much intelligence can
you stand before the candidate becomes non representative?
walker
> In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com>,
> "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> > Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> >
> > That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> > leader.
> >
>
> My understanding is that he had an overall score of 1206 (this from
> Usenet, so no guarantees about accuracy).
>
> Although this would probably not have been high enough to get him into
> my alma mater, Michigan State, as an out-of-state student in the mid-
> 60s, it's still around the 90th percentile -- good enough for a Yale
> legacy and today's presidency.
>
> Tommy
the question is not does he have the IQ but does he have the seriousness
of mind necessary to master enough not to be just a sock puppet -- so far
his whole life has been handed to him -- and his whole campaign has been
about reading scripts.
Mary E Knadler
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>
>Now would Mr. Bush have a prayer of making that reply?
>
>No - he is too dumb.
>
>>
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Hey, that "genius" Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal......
to the Chinese. How's that for "briliant", right.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834gb5$lke$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>leader.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>>qualified
>>>>white anglo males.
>>>
>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>>well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>
>>>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>>>
>>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
>>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>>
>I never said Gore is mediocre because I think of him as being DANGEROUS and
>dumber than mediocre.
Yet you can't present any evidence to support your view of his
dumbness.
You lose the argument on that one.
>jvt
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>>yasmin2:
>>
>>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>know who he really is. Had to hire someone to help him find
>>himself.
>>
>>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>
>>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>>as a NUTCASE..
>>
>>Did you hear him talking with Lesley Stahl on 60 minutes......
>>it was really a very strange conversation.....I had to laugh right
>>out loud. This man does not know who he is, if you can believe that.
>>
>>To me that is scarier than ANYTHING you have ever posted about
>>GWB. He knows who he is & where he wants to go!
>>
>
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>
>>I suppose so. But we have OTHER evidence that Bush is "mediocre" among
>>national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a 566
>>SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a single
>>A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one A).
>>Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to other
>>leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
>>more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
>>exploit the Bush name.
>>
>>We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
>>life is consistent with it.
>
>
>Hmmm. The diseased and corrupt Tyrebiter making a case against
>G.W. Bush based on his SAT scores--how, how, diseased and
>corrupt.
>
>Both IQ and SAT predict precisely zip when it comes to the
>development of judgement, leadership skills, etc.
That seems false. For instance, the Terman study tracked kids who at
ten had very high IQ scores. Their performance through life, in
general, was excellent - certainly above average.
I think most people would disagree with you, and would consider
intelligence important.
For instance,
>Bill Clinton is a slob and a criminal. What were his SAT scores?
Pretty high. He has a high job approval rating, support for the notion
that high SAT scores predict job success.
Your views of Mr. Clinton are, of course, widely consider in the
lunatic fringe.
>
>Al Gore is a dolt and a prevaricator about his own accomplishments
>and background. How well did he do on the SAT?
Post proof Gore is a dolt. I have objective proof of the limits of Mr.
Bush. SAT verbal 566. Better than average, but very low for those in
national leadership. You have merely your opinion, which, based on
your other views, is "way out."
>
>Did I hear you, Tyrebiter, claim that you went to Yale at the *same*
>*time* as Bush? What a sorry state that place must have been in
>even then to have produced a moral and intellectual cripple such
>as yourself.
Again, your views in other matters are fairly called those of
lunatics, so I don't think we need give much weight to your opinions.
Stick to the facts - and you might be persuasive at times.
>
>I'm not speaking here on behalf of G.W. Bush, but merely pointing
>out to anyone who doesn't already know it that you are the author
>of diseased and corrupt rhetoric and that you have a diseased
>and corrupt mind.
Dumb comment, IMO.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<j...@iName.com> wrote:
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> He is a very nice man. I genuinely like him. But the President needs
>> to be really smart, IMO.
>>
>> Bush is not qualified.
>>>>>>
>
> Was Ford?
I guess not - voters tossed him out when they had a chance.
>
>== Yours, J. H. McCloskey == ... sobie spiewam a Muzom ... ==
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Michael Ejercito
> On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
> <jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
> >>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> >>
> >>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> >>leader.
> >>
> >>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
> >>intelligence.
> >
> >Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better qualified
> >white anglo males.
>
> Did I mention that John Tibbs is an ignorant racist?
>
> Volt
Describing yourself,Klansman?
Michael
Q: How do you castrate a Nazi?
A: Kick a little boy in the jaw.
meje...@csulb.edu
cayenne
>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a 566
>>>SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a single
>>>A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one A).
>>>Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to other
>>>leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
>>>more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
>>>exploit the Bush name.
>>>
>>>We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
>>>life is consistent with it.
>>
>>
>>Hmmm. The diseased and corrupt Tyrebiter making a case against
>>G.W. Bush based on his SAT scores--how, how, diseased and
>>corrupt.
>>
>>Both IQ and SAT predict precisely zip when it comes to the
>>development of judgement, leadership skills, etc.
>
>That seems false. For instance, the Terman study tracked kids who at
>ten had very high IQ scores. Their performance through life, in
>general, was excellent - certainly above average.
>
>I think most people would disagree with you, and would consider
>intelligence important.
I didn't say intelligence, I said SAT and IQ scores.
Any reasonably intelligent person can perform at reasonably
high levels in *any* real-life endeavor, if they have character
and the ability to apply themselves to tasks and goals that they
take on.
Clinton and you are slobs, for instance, and Clinton is a
criminal. You're rhetoric and conceptualizations are corrupt
and diseased. Clinton is a psychopath. That's because the
development of principles and values and character are
absent from both of you. It's a fairly simple thing to understand.
I don't know G.W. Bush, and don't have any great interest in
him, but I certainly would never hold a modestly above-average
SAT score against him.
Whereas I'm quite familiar with infantile prattlers such as yourself
and with the psychopathic nature of Clinton, and I *know* that
these qualities disqualify people from positions of leadership,
which is why Clinton was impeached, and why he is still liable
for criminal prosecution.
And why a diseased and corrupt character such as yourself will
offer such diseased and corrupt rhetorical constructions as "The
law allows us to lie [under oath in a judicial proceeding]" in
Clinton's defense.
So, as usual, you're just making a perfidious ass out of yourself.
Mary E Knadler
>
>In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>
>
>>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>
>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>
>>well.
>
>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>
>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
why.
>A number of studies show that Blacks, on average, possess
significantly lower
>IQs than whites or Asians. So, by your logic, we can make the
following kinds
>of arguments: Blacks are generally "too dumb" to do very well in
school.
>Blacks are generally "too dumb" to be president.
>
>Their are two points here. Try to follow them. First, describing
someone with
>an average IQ as "too dumb" to do something is elitest at best and, at
worst,
>bigoted. Second, you totally miss the point that while there may be a
>correlation between SAT and IQ scores, there is little if any evidence
>suggesting any substantial relationship between IQ and effectiveness
>as a political leader.
>
>So, go bite yourself and have a nice day.
>
>Roger Shouse
Also I think if you take George's theory further then only Asians
would be qualified to become President as they actually do better
than Whites or Blacks on SATs.
If there was not a quota for MIT it would be made up of almost
most all Asians students. They are extremely bright academically.
Gary Carroll
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." wrote:
>
> Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>
> That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> leader.
>
> Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
> intelligence.
>
> But those who have researched this issue see it otherwise. From the
> following URL in Atlantic Monthly I got these quotes:
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/95sep/ets/grtsort2.htm
>
> "Back in the early days Carl Brigham published a scale
> for converting intelligence-test scores to SAT scores. Paul
> Diederich, a contemporary of Henry Chauncey's who was for
> decades a researcher at ETS, expresses a view common in the
> field: "IQ tests are reading comprehension and vocabulary
> doctored up to look like reasoning. To change the SAT to an
> IQ you'd simply divide the score by an age measure. Basically
> they're the same thing."
(other stuff saying the same thing snipped)
IQ and SAT scores are NOT the same thing, and your magazine article is
wrong if it says they are.
SAT scores measure academic achievement. IQ tests measure (to some
degree) intelligence. The two are related, and it's not surprising to
find a correlation. But they are NOT the same, and the correlation is
not always going to be there.
One can study for an SAT test (check in the bookstore for some good
texts) and markedly improve your scores. IQ test score do not improve
the same way.
SAT scores go up as you go through school; for instance, a freshman
taking the test will get one score, but will probably score much higher
retaking the test as a senior. They will score about the same on good IQ tests.
It is possible to have outstanding intelligence and mediocre academics,
or excellent academics with mediocre intelligence. (I knew someone who
got fantastic grades all through college despite not being all that
bright. They studied ALL the time. I'm sure they made out well in life;
determination like that will accomplish things.)
tcrpe
classical.liberal <li...@and.let.live> wrote in message
news:834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> >Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> >
> >That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> >leader.
>
>
> About time!
Gee, George, why didn't you list both GWB's SAT scores, you know Math and
Verbal? And why don't you tell the truth that 1204 (GWB's score) is nearly
a whole Standard Deviation above the average for college bound seniors the
year the GWB took the test? I guess you equate "slightly above normal" with
one SD above average.
Why didn't you tell the truth, George?
Because it wouldn't help your lie?
Because you rather lie than tell the truth?
Because all you National Socialist Democrats are pathological liars?
Yea, George, I know, the Klinton Propaganda Ministry told you to lie.
TR
walker
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:31:21 -0500, "John H. McCloskey"
> <j...@iName.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> to be really smart, IMO.
> >>
> >> Bush is not qualified.
> >>>>>>
> >
> > Was Ford?
Ford was not elected president.
Mary E Knadler
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>On 14 Dec 1999 04:16:37 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>wrote:
>
>>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>leader.
>>>>>
>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>
>>qualified
>>>>white anglo males.
>>>
>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is?
You
>>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>yasmin2:
>>
>>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>know who he really is.
>
>
>
> Had to hire someone to help him find
>>himself.
>>
>>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>
>>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>>as a NUTCASE..
>>
>>Did you hear him talking with Lesley Stahl on 60 minutes......
>>it was really a very strange conversation.....I had to laugh right
>>out loud. This man does not know who he is, if you can believe that.
>>
>>To me that is scarier than ANYTHING you have ever posted about
>>GWB. He knows who he is & where he wants to go!
>
yasmin2:
That's not much of a respnse. I suppose you then think Gore can
follow a "map".........whatever that means???????????
The American People
Johann von Tebbes wrote:
>
> Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834i7f$ull$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >In <834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> "classical.liberal"
> ><li...@and.let.live> writes:
> >>
> >>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> >>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> >>>
> >>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> >>>leader.
> >>
> >>You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
> >>
> >>About time!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
The American People
tcrpe wrote:
>
> classical.liberal <li...@and.let.live> wrote in message
> news:834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> > "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> > >Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> > >
> > >That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> > >leader.
> >
> > You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
> >
> > About time!
>
Mary E Knadler
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>
>On 14 Dec 1999 04:35:57 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>wrote:
>
>>In <cv6b5sk0jbd3c08jd...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>On 14 Dec 1999 00:36:13 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>verbal score and IQ is .60 to .80 -- that is, much, much higher
>>>
>>>>>average for those seeking to go to college. That probably puts him
>>>>>substantially BELOW the intelligence of the AVERAGE US COLLEGE
>>>>>GRADUATE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>>>>
>>>>>well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I went to Yale with Governor Bush, and got a hell of a lot more
Honors
>>>than he did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>>
>>You didn't say what your SATS were. Were you in his class &
>>what honors did you receive.
>
>Bush graduated a year before me. Bush did not get a single "A."
>(actually, Yale used a zero to 100 scale until Bush's last year, when
>they switched to Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail). I got a lot of "A's"
>and graduated with High Honors. As is probably true of many who post
>here, my test scores were high. Indeed, I was very surprised to learn
>that ANYONE at Yale had a score as low as the 566 Mr. Bush had. Sort
>of a miracle he got C's.
>
>to be really smart, IMO.
>
>Bush is not qualified.
I hate to seem to be so pressing, but you still have not posted
your SATs. In view of the fact that you have made such an issue
of GWB's SATs then I think you should do more than just say
yours were "high". What does "high" mean. Were they just a little
better than George's or were they in the 700s perhaps or whatever.
I think you should be much more precise to make your argument
meaningful.
Geo
Trebor <tre...@my-deja.com> wrote in article
<385684cc...@news.earthlink.net>...
D.G. Porter
>
> How about that. My IQ is 131.
Is that all???
Heck, my wife tested at 185.
But you wouldn't want her for Prez. She's not a right-wing shill for
any loony GOP cause that comes along. She doesn't buy the idea that
Clinton personally kills kids on Arkansas railways and eats their brains
for breakfast (ooooo, they're so buttery and salty, yummy-nums!).
> Johann von Tebbes wrote:
> >
> > Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834i7f$ull$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
> > >In <834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> "classical.liberal"
> > ><li...@and.let.live> writes:
> > >>
> > >>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> > >>>
> > >>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> > >>>leader.
> > >>
> > >>You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
> > >>
> > >>About time!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
Mary E Knadler
<cay...@nyct.net> writes:
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>
>>I suppose so. But we have OTHER evidence that Bush is "mediocre"
among
>>national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a
566
>>SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a
single
>>A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one
A).
>>Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to
other
>>leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
>>more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
>>exploit the Bush name.
>>
>>We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
>>life is consistent with it.
>
>
>Hmmm. The diseased and corrupt Tyrebiter making a case against
>G.W. Bush based on his SAT scores--how, how, diseased and
>corrupt.
>
>Both IQ and SAT predict precisely zip when it comes to the
>Bill Clinton is a slob and a criminal. What were his SAT scores?
>
>and background. How well did he do on the SAT?
>
>*time* as Bush? What a sorry state that place must have been in
>even then to have produced a moral and intellectual cripple such
>as yourself.
>
>out to anyone who doesn't already know it that you are the author
>of diseased and corrupt rhetoric and that you have a diseased
>and corrupt mind.
>
>
I don't believe he even went to Yale or was there when GWB was
there. He has only recently let this be known. Odd that he would
not have made this fact public long before this.
He said at one time he KNEW & had talked to a room-mate of GWB,
but never said he was also on campus at the same time.
Also how does he know his grades at Andover, did someone release
those as well.
But of course it is really irrelevant. We have an example of a
Yale grad like GWB with, according to George Tyrebiter, with
exceedingly LOW SATs, winning election twice as Gov of Texas &
now running for the Presidency of the US & on the other hand we
have a Yale grad with "high" SATs & receiving high honors upon
graduation & now spends a good deal of time posting to this
newsgroup.
No high power job that keeps him tied up in meetings making
those big bucks we would EXPECT from a Yale grad, or going on
to Yale Law & represetning big name clients......why he's just
one of us....lowly newsgroupies.
Now who would you say has achieved more in life....that is
which George, low SATSs or not.
The American People
"D.G. Porter" wrote:
>
> The American People wrote:
> >
> > How about that. My IQ is 131.
>
> Is that all???
> Heck, my wife tested at 185.
>She doesn't buy the idea that Clinton personally kills kids on Arkansas railways and eats their brains for breakfast (ooooo, they're so buttery and salty, yummy-nums!).
oooooo, she is smart! She doesn't take after you.
enrique
>
>
> For God's sake George, stop this charade and drop out of the race.
> Have some compassion. You really want to make this a kinder, gentler
> America? Fine. Then step aside, Mr. Bush, just step aside........and
> let us get some sleep.
Bush, Hatch, Embryohead Bauer, and the rest of the Ruling Class Muppets
only do what their corporate and nazi owners tell them. You want to
know what Georgie Jr. would do? Follow his campaign money.
D.G. Porter
>
> "D.G. Porter" wrote:
> >
> > The American People wrote:
> > >
> > > How about that. My IQ is 131.
> >
> > Is that all???
> > Heck, my wife tested at 185.
> >She doesn't buy the idea that Clinton personally kills kids on Arkansas railways and eats their brains for breakfast (ooooo, they're so
buttery and salty, yum
>
God, you're lame. Is that your best shot??
Good thing the real American People aren't so lame.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>walker wrote in message ...
>>
>>> >>
>>> >>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>> >>know who he really is.
>>> >
>>> >I missed that. Quote?
>>>
>>> You've missed a lot more than that, Geoge.
>>> jvt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Had to hire someone to help him find
>>> >>himself.
>>> >>
>>> >>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>> >>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>
>>What a joke --
>>> >>
>>> >>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>>> >>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>>> >>as a NUTCASE..
>>
>>Bush has been entirely managed by handlers -- all of his positions are the
>>result of Daddy's friends help [just as all his wealth is] -- talk about
>>needing someone to invent him --- To suggest that consultants say
>>something negative about Gore, but total puppet management of Bush says
>>nothing about him is a hoot.
>>
>>Gore is smart, knows stuff and is intellectually curious. Bush is dufus
>>and proud to be a dufus.
>
>GOOD example of non-substantive name calling. BTW 'Forest Gore' proves
>'stupid is as stupid does'.
Do you think anyone will believe your absurd claim that Gore is
stupid?
I assume not. SO why do you say it?
I Expect You to DIE, Mr. Bond!
>
> classical.liberal <li...@and.let.live> wrote in message
> news:834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> > >Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> > >
> > >That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> > >leader.
> >
> > You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
> >
> > About time!
>
> Verbal? And why don't you tell the truth that 1204 (GWB's score) is nearly
> a whole Standard Deviation above the average for college bound seniors the
> year the GWB took the test? I guess you equate "slightly above normal" with
> one SD above average.
>
> Why didn't you tell the truth, George?
>
> Because it wouldn't help your lie?
>
> Because you rather lie than tell the truth?
>
> Because all you National Socialist Democrats are pathological liars?
>
> Yea, George, I know, the Klinton Propaganda Ministry told you to lie.
>
> TR
Yeh, George is one smart son of a bitch..
And so is some ignorant asshole who uses the term 'National
Socialist Democrats', eh?
Ignoramus.
You have no choice but to be a Dittohead.
Minister of Silly Walks
classical.liberal <li...@and.let.live> wrote in message
> It's the whole "normal" thing which has the leftwingers
> panties in such a wad: There is NOTHING "normal" about their
> current administration, and they realize just how kooky they
> look by comparison.
>
> That's what all this whining and Bush-bashing is about.
>
> Myself, I'm just stoked to have out-scored our next President. :)
Really? I'm not - makes me a bit worried, to be truthful (though I got a
re-centered 770 -post '92, the test was recentered to lower scores, so not
many would have scored higher - 99th percentile and all that). Maybe it's
just the whole security factor of thinking about the nation's leader as
intellectually special.
> >Guys usually do better in Math scores then the verbals. By the
> >way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>
> I notice he "forgot" to include the math score part...
630 math here - on not-enough-sleep-and-no-studying. Nothing special there -
I think that's barely 75th percentile in math.
walker
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
No the name calling relates to what substance there is in the Bush record i.e.
a collection of gifts of Daddy's friends to build wealth, stock sales that
for anyone else would have been 'insider trading', and now a run for the
presidency financed by more of Daddy's friends who see another chance to
have a front man a la Reagan. And Bush's lack of intellectual curiosity
and knowledge and his contempt for same has been on clear public display.
This IS the substance of this hollow man -- that the GOPs are offering of.
Minister of Silly Walks
D.G. Porter <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3856B5...@pacbell.net...
> The American People wrote:
> >
> > How about that. My IQ is 131.
>
> Is that all???
> Heck, my wife tested at 185.
> Clinton personally kills kids on Arkansas railways and eats their brains
Just out of curiosity - was this an official test - taken with a
professional and other measures - or was this something else? The book tests
I've taken (I don't give a crap about it really, so I'm not spending the
cash to take an official test) - have been ~155, varying two or three in
either direction. Genius level is, IIRC, 160, which makes me doubt that
McCain at 133 is our "smartest" president - Thomas Jefferson certainly would
overtake him, as well as others like Clinton and Nixon.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:38:58 -0500, "cayenne" <cay...@nyct.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>I suppose so. But we have OTHER evidence that Bush is "mediocre" among
>>>>national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a 566
>>>>SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a single
>>>>A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one A).
>>>>Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to other
>>>>leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
>>>>more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
>>>>exploit the Bush name.
>>>>
>>>>We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
>>>>life is consistent with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmm. The diseased and corrupt Tyrebiter making a case against
>>>G.W. Bush based on his SAT scores--how, how, diseased and
>>>corrupt.
>>>
>>>Both IQ and SAT predict precisely zip when it comes to the
>>>development of judgement, leadership skills, etc.
>>
>>That seems false. For instance, the Terman study tracked kids who at
>>ten had very high IQ scores. Their performance through life, in
>>general, was excellent - certainly above average.
>>
>>I think most people would disagree with you, and would consider
>>intelligence important.
>
>
>I didn't say intelligence, I said SAT and IQ scores.
>
>Any reasonably intelligent person can perform at reasonably
>high levels in *any* real-life endeavor, if they have character
>and the ability to apply themselves to tasks and goals that they
>take on.
Well, there are some obvious exceptions - theoretical physicist, etc.
Rocket scientist, to take the trite example.
And though most parts of being President probably DO fall within the
scope of "doable-even-by-a-GOVBUSH," some other parts probably take a
lot of intelligence, not just a modicum of it.
I've heard some say that a good President must be able to "see around
the corners" to anticipate the (complicated) future. I think someone
really smart would likely do better at that, on average, than a
GOVBUSH.
>
>Clinton and you are slobs, for instance,
You don't know me, yet you state that I am a slob. THis supports what
other of your comments demonstrate: your logic is poor.
> and Clinton is a
>criminal.
So am I, and so are you, of course. All of us break laws from time to
time.
> You're rhetoric and conceptualizations are corrupt
>and diseased. Clinton is a psychopath.
Good example. A really smart person would understand the weaknesses in
your claim that Clinton is a "psychopath." For example, that such
alleged personality "traits," examined scientifically, usually don't
exist (variations, across settings, in the alleged behavior-tendency
usually swamp the variations across individuals, for one thing).
Now it probably DOES take a lot of intelligence to spot the weakness
in comments such as the one you made, a level of intelligence that
even you, pretty smart, lack. I want a President able to pull off such
feats of brain power. Why elect someone like you or Bush, when we can
probably get someone NOT likely to make such errors?
That's because the
>development of principles and values and character are
>absent from both of you. It's a fairly simple thing to understand.
It is more complicated than you understand.
>
>I don't know G.W. Bush, and don't have any great interest in
>him, but I certainly would never hold a modestly above-average
>SAT score against him.
>
>Whereas I'm quite familiar with infantile prattlers such as yourself
>and with the psychopathic nature of Clinton, and I *know* that
>these qualities disqualify people from positions of leadership,
>which is why Clinton was impeached, and why he is still liable
>for criminal prosecution.
If you leap to "personality types" to explain very much, you're not my
choice for President.
>And why a diseased and corrupt character such as yourself will
>offer such diseased and corrupt rhetorical constructions as "The
>law allows us to lie [under oath in a judicial proceeding]" in
>Clinton's defense.
If you were smarter you would be able to read the law and confirm that
I am correct.
>
>So, as usual, you're just making a perfidious ass out of yourself.
>
You want a President prone to believe in UFOs, Foster murders etc?
Yes, you do. I don't.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Mary E Knadler
writes:
>
>In article <s5ctuu...@corp.supernews.com>, Johann von Tebbes
>jti...@tcainternet.com says...
>>
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message
>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>leader.
>>>>>
>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
qualified
>>>>white anglo males.
>>>
>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>
family
>>status. eh?
>
>
>No, they weren't. The Kennedeys were not accepted socially by the WASP
families who guarded Boston's Brahmin institutions in the 1940s.
>
>
Old Joe Kennedy went to Harvard & his money sure helped his sons
to get in there as well.
Who do you think you're kdding. In fact Ted Kennedy got thrown
out for cheating....got another guy to take a test for him. Quite
a record at least no one has accused GWB for that, YET!
He was readmitted after his Father sent him off for a stint in the
Army.....after he got rehabilitated, I guess. Altho that is
questionable.
SON O GOD
yas...@ix.netcom.com says...
>
>In <ljhb5sg635o1cv8qp...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>Now would Mr. Bush have a prayer of making that reply?
>>
>>No - he is too dumb.
>>
>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>Hey, that "genius" Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal......
>to the Chinese. How's that for "briliant", right.
It's easy to tell who the true dimbulbs are. They repeat nonsense like that.
Minister of Silly Walks
Gary Carroll <garyc...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3856A7F3...@home.com...
> (other stuff saying the same thing snipped)
>
> IQ and SAT scores are NOT the same thing, and your magazine article is
> wrong if it says they are.
> SAT scores measure academic achievement.
possible to score a 1400 comprehensive SAT, and still fail a few classes
simply because you don't feel like doing the work. It's also possible to
score an 1100 and be valedictorian because you worked your ass off.
There's really very little correlation between achievement and score - it
all depends on how much work goes into school/college.
>IQ tests measure (to some
> degree) intelligence. The two are related, and it's not surprising to
> find a correlation. But they are NOT the same, and the correlation is
> not always going to be there.
> One can study for an SAT test (check in the bookstore for some good
> texts) and markedly improve your scores.
Note how you can improve your scores - in verbal, it's basically studying
vocabulary. It seems that language skills are largely a product of your
upbringing, IMHO - read a lot and get a bigger vocab, score higher.
In math, it's shown that you can easily raise your scores with studying -
there's very little you can do to improve your math skills outside of
working problems through.
> IQ test score do not improve
> the same way.
I wonder, though - a large part of the IQ test is analogy- and
vocabulary-driven. If you studied that, couldn't you raise your scores?
> SAT scores go up as you go through school; for instance, a freshman
> taking the test will get one score, but will probably score much higher
> retaking the test as a senior.
Two reasons - one, there's no age divisor for the SAT. If you take it for
kicks in 7th Grade (as I did), you'll get the same score as everyone else.
Also, between your freshman year and your senior year, you'll encounter
advanced algebra and geometry. And trig/calculus though neither is measured
on the SAT. Your vocabulary will grow as you take English and History
classes.
>They will score about the same on good IQ tests.
Not really. A function of the IQ test is an age tool - if you get X right
when you're eight, you'll get a score of <Y>. But if you get that same
number right when you're 34, you'll get <1/2 Y>.
> It is possible to have outstanding intelligence and mediocre academics,
> or excellent academics with mediocre intelligence. (I knew someone who
> got fantastic grades all through college despite not being all that
> bright. They studied ALL the time. I'm sure they made out well in life;
> determination like that will accomplish things.)
Very true.
D.G. Porter
>
> D.G. Porter <dgpo...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3856B5...@pacbell.net..
> > >
> > > How about that. My IQ is 131.
> >
> > Is that all???
> > Heck, my wife tested at 185.
> > But you wouldn't want her for Prez. She's not a right-wing shill for
> > any loony GOP cause that comes along. She doesn't buy the idea that
> > Clinton personally kills kids on Arkansas railways and eats their brains
> > for breakfast (ooooo, they're so buttery and salty, yummy-nums!).
>
> Just out of curiosity - was this an official test - taken with a
> professional and other measures - or was this something else?
This was a test given her in grade school.
I took one too, but they wouldn't tell me my score -- said I'd turn lazy
or something, but I know I was in the upper 5% from this graph they
showed me.
> The book tests
> I've taken (I don't give a crap about it really, so I'm not spending the
> cash to take an official test) - have been ~155, varying two or three in
> either direction. Genius level is, IIRC, 160, which makes me doubt that
> McCain at 133 is our "smartest" president - Thomas Jefferson certainly would
> overtake him, as well as others like Clinton and Nixon.
"Genius bores easily." Yup, been there...
"Tends to brood." Mm-hmmm...
"Then to plot." Yep, that's me all right.
tcrpe
him either, like George, or the other Village Idiots, either.
TR
The American People <lib...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3856B1BC...@aol.com...
> Looks like you know George REAL well.
>
>
> tcrpe wrote:
> >
> > classical.liberal <li...@and.let.live> wrote in message
> > news:834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> > > "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> > > >
> > > >That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> > > >leader.
> > >
tcrpe
I Expect You to DIE, Mr. Bond! <iey...@007.net> wrote in message
news:3856C05A...@007.net...
> tcrpe wrote:
> >
> > classical.liberal <li...@and.let.live> wrote in message
> > news:834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> > > "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
> > > >
> > > >That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
> > > >leader.
> > >
> > > You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
> > >
> > > About time!
> >
> > Gee, George, why didn't you list both GWB's SAT scores, you know Math
and
> > Verbal? And why don't you tell the truth that 1204 (GWB's score) is
nearly
> > a whole Standard Deviation above the average for college bound seniors
the
> > year the GWB took the test? I guess you equate "slightly above normal"
with
> > one SD above average.
> >
> > Why didn't you tell the truth, George?
> >
> > Because it wouldn't help your lie?
> >
> > Because you rather lie than tell the truth?
> >
> > Because all you National Socialist Democrats are pathological liars?
> >
> > Yea, George, I know, the Klinton Propaganda Ministry told you to lie.
> >
> > TR
>
>
> And so is some ignorant asshole who uses the term 'National
> Socialist Democrats', eh?
>
> Ignoramus.
>
> You have no choice but to be a Dittohead.
The sum of your intellect:
"son of a bitch."
"ignorant asshole"
"Ignoramus."
"Dittohead"
Here are a few facts - I don't listen to Republican Apologist Limbaugh, and
wouldn't vote for GWB for money, but wouldn't stoop to lying about him
either, like George.
(Problems with facts, IEYTDMB?)
Or vilifying (Klinton Propaganda Ministry style) those with whom I disagree,
like you.
I know the facts are a bitch -- get used to it.
TR
Johann von Tebbes
Michael Ejercito wrote in message ...
>In article <387397ab...@news.mindspring.com>, Volt...@geocities.com
wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>> <jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>> >>
>> >>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>> >>leader.
>> >>
>> >>intelligence.
>> >
>> >Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
qualified
>> >white anglo males.
>>
>>
>> Volt
> Describing yourself,Klansman?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> Q: How do you castrate a Nazi?
>
> A: Kick a little boy in the jaw.
Typical liberal post, sarcasm with no substance.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <836hll$3ns$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>In <8360gm$ems$1...@brokaw.wa.com> SON_...@hotmail.com (SON O GOD)
>writes:
>>
>>In article <s5ctuu...@corp.supernews.com>, Johann von Tebbes
>>jti...@tcainternet.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>>leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>qualified
>>>>>white anglo males.
>>>>
>>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>>
>>>Of course the Kennedys weren't admitted to Hahvaad because of their
>family
>>>status. eh?
>>
>>
>>No, they weren't. The Kennedeys were not accepted socially by the WASP
>families who guarded Boston's Brahmin institutions in the 1940s.
>>
>>
>Old Joe Kennedy went to Harvard & his money sure helped his sons
>to get in there as well.
>
>Who do you think you're kdding. In fact Ted Kennedy got thrown
>out for cheating....got another guy to take a test for him. Quite
>a record at least no one has accused GWB for that, YET!
>
>He was readmitted after his Father sent him off for a stint in the
>Army.....after he got rehabilitated, I guess. Altho that is
>questionable.
The Chapaquiddick kid NEVER was rehabilitated. I posthumously thank Mary Jo
Kopecne who gave her life (albeit unknowingly) so that monster could never
be president.
jvt
>
>
Johann von Tebbes
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834gb5$lke$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>>leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>>>qualified
>>>>>white anglo males.
>>>>
>>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
>>>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>>>
and
>>dumber than mediocre.
>
>Yet you can't present any evidence to support your view of his
>dumbness.
>
>You lose the argument on that one.
Oh Yeah, how about his trying to get people to believe he didn't know the
Budhist nuns were sworn in poverty and he thought their contributions were
legal? BTW at first he tried to say he didn't think it was a fundraiser.
Go figure!
How 'bout he tried to claim he was responsible for the internet?
He bragged to tobacco farmers how he helped his family raise and reap
tobacco and later blubbered about his sister dying of cancer and how he
hated tobacco. What a piece of work he is!
Remember his 'No controlling legal authority' defence when he campained on
government equipment/property?
Is that enough? if not there is more.
jvt
>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>
>>>yasmin2:
>>>
>>>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>>know who he really is. Had to hire someone to help him find
>>>himself.
>>>
>>>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>>
Johann von Tebbes
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <836b8h$9r0$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>In <vtoc5ssgem5v91di0...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>On 14 Dec 1999 04:16:37 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>>leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>>>qualified
>>>>>white anglo males.
>>>>
>>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>>>>
>>>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is?
>You
>>>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>yasmin2:
>>>
>>>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>>know who he really is.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had to hire someone to help him find
>>>himself.
>>>
>>>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>>
>>>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>>>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>>>as a NUTCASE..
>>>
>>>it was really a very strange conversation.....I had to laugh right
>>>out loud. This man does not know who he is, if you can believe that.
>>>
>>>To me that is scarier than ANYTHING you have ever posted about
>>>GWB. He knows who he is & where he wants to go!
>>
>>Only problem - he's too dumb to follow a map.
>
>yasmin2:
>
>follow a "map".........whatever that means???????????
Mary, that's a normal non-substantive liberal response.
jvt
>
Johann von Tebbes
walker wrote in message ...
>In article <sled5s41kh2kvh8pc...@4ax.com>, "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Gore is smart, knows stuff and is intellectually curious. Bush is
dufus
>> >>and proud to be a dufus.
>> >
>> >GOOD example of non-substantive name calling.
>
>No the name calling relates to what substance there is in the Bush record
i.e.
>a collection of gifts of Daddy's friends to build wealth, stock sales that
>for anyone else would have been 'insider trading', and now a run for the
>presidency financed by more of Daddy's friends who see another chance to
>have a front man a la Reagan. And Bush's lack of intellectual curiosity
>and knowledge and his contempt for same has been on clear public display.
>This IS the substance of this hollow man -- that the GOPs are offering of.
>
>
> BTW 'Forest Gore' proves
>> >'stupid is as stupid does'.
>>
>> Do you think anyone will believe your absurd claim that Gore is
>> stupid?
>>
>> I assume not. SO why do you say it?
>> >jvt
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
I'll bet George Clinton/Gore Tyre chewer doesn't resent the Kennedy family's
'whiskey' fortune.
jvt
>
Johann von Tebbes
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <8368u0$eut$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
>In <rcs8.2188...@psu.edu> rc...@psu.edu (Roger Shouse) writes:
>>
>>In article <hg0b5sccgp5cha5an...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>leader.
>>
>>
>>>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>>
>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>
>>>well.
>>
>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>
>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>
>why.
>>A number of studies show that Blacks, on average, possess
>significantly lower
>>IQs than whites or Asians. So, by your logic, we can make the
>following kinds
>>of arguments: Blacks are generally "too dumb" to do very well in
>school.
>>Blacks are generally "too dumb" to be president.
>>
>>Their are two points here. Try to follow them. First, describing
>someone with
>>an average IQ as "too dumb" to do something is elitest at best and, at
>worst,
>>bigoted. Second, you totally miss the point that while there may be a
>>correlation between SAT and IQ scores, there is little if any evidence
>
>>suggesting any substantial relationship between IQ and effectiveness
>>as a political leader.
>>
>>So, go bite yourself and have a nice day.
>>
>>Roger Shouse
>
>
>Also I think if you take George's theory further then only Asians
>would be qualified to become President as they actually do better
>than Whites or Blacks on SATs.
>
>If there was not a quota for MIT it would be made up of almost
>most all Asians students. They are extremely bright academically.
>
>
But Mary, the Asians in the U.S. don't vote in-block democrat so they are
generally left out of their slobish drug induced schmoozing.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
The American People wrote in message <3856AFAE...@aol.com>...
>How about that. My IQ is 131.
>
meeting. Bet you're a Mensa wannabe tho.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
Mary E Knadler wrote in message <836bkv$i4m$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>In <rvoc5sc0tn2dfd0s2...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>
>>On 14 Dec 1999 04:35:57 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In <cv6b5sk0jbd3c08jd...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>On 14 Dec 1999 00:36:13 GMT, yas...@ix.netcom.com (Mary E Knadler)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>verbal score and IQ is .60 to .80 -- that is, much, much higher
>>>>
>>>>>>average for those seeking to go to college. That probably puts him
>>>>>>substantially BELOW the intelligence of the AVERAGE US COLLEGE
>>>>>>GRADUATE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>GOV BUSH _ TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It may hurt - but's it's true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>way, what were YOURS....& what school let you in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I went to Yale with Governor Bush, and got a hell of a lot more
>Honors
>>>>than he did.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>
>>>
>>>You didn't say what your SATS were. Were you in his class &
>>>what honors did you receive.
>>
>>Bush graduated a year before me. Bush did not get a single "A."
>>(actually, Yale used a zero to 100 scale until Bush's last year, when
>>they switched to Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail). I got a lot of "A's"
>>and graduated with High Honors. As is probably true of many who post
>>here, my test scores were high. Indeed, I was very surprised to learn
>>that ANYONE at Yale had a score as low as the 566 Mr. Bush had. Sort
>>of a miracle he got C's.
>>
>>He is a very nice man. I genuinely like him. But the President needs
>>to be really smart, IMO.
>>
>>Bush is not qualified.
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>
>I hate to seem to be so pressing, but you still have not posted
>your SATs. In view of the fact that you have made such an issue
>of GWB's SATs then I think you should do more than just say
>yours were "high". What does "high" mean. Were they just a little
>better than George's or were they in the 700s perhaps or whatever.
>
>I think you should be much more precise to make your argument
>meaningful.
>
Hey Mary I'll bet he conjures up a high number to impress you.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
D.G. Porter wrote in message <3856BF...@pacbell.net>...
>The American People wrote:
>>
>> "D.G. Porter" wrote:
>> >
>> > The American People wrote:
>> > >
>> >
Too bad but you can't make it tho.
jvt
D.G. Porter
>
> The American People wrote in message <3856AFAE...@aol.com>...
> >How about that. My IQ is 131.
> >
> meeting. Bet you're a Mensa wannabe tho.
> jvt
Seriously, what is so great about Mensa, anyway? From what I hear it's
a bunch of snobs who don't have a clue as how to party.
Friend of mine was invited to join, but he declined for this reason.
Also, they charge too much money.
D.G. Porter
>
> D.G. Porter wrote in message <3856BF...@pacbell.net>...
> >The American People wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The American People wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > How about that. My IQ is 131.
> >> >
> Too bad but you can't make it tho.
> jvt
Too bad that a Mensa member like you can't snip posts correctly, you dim
bulb!
Now, look at the above, and tell me who this "she" is.
[Fucking idiot!] }X-D
Bill Bonde
Trebor wrote:
>
> Now Governor, this is the third time I've written you, and I'm still
> waiting for some sort of positive response on your part. Understand,
> Gov Bush, I have nothing against you personally. I'm sure, if you
> weren't in politics, we could even go out drinking together. We could
> probably stay up all night swapping dirty jokes and picking up broads,
> as was your custom. (Except I don't do drugs.)
>
Not obviously the ones your psychologist prescribed for you.
> But you see, it's like this Mr Bush: I need my sleep. And by that I
> mean: I need to know that the guy sitting in the White House with his
> finger on the trigger, is just a little smarter than I am.
>
You may be willing to go to bed if we elect a potatoe president, but
frankly, I won't be able to get to sleep until I know that the president
is a hell of a lot smarter than you.
> Because if
> he isn't, if he's even dumber than I am, then I'm going to have to
> stay up all night worrying about Chechnya,
>
Why would you worry about this given how dumb you are? Chechnya has
nothing to do with the United States.
> worrying about nuclear
> poliferation,
>
This is going to happen no matter who is president. What matters is
whether we build a shield against the inevitable attack. George W. would
do that. Gore and Bradley just want to spend our money on more quack
social programs.
> worrying about global warming.....Why?
>
You worry about this? I'm just looking for future water front property
at the 20 to 30 foot level. I'm going to make a killing.
> Because some
> BOOB in the White House got in over his head,
>
Clinton is a perfect example of this. He went into office clueless and
didn't even bring good advisors with him.
> and doesn't know what
> the hell he's doing. See? I need a president who's smarter than me
> so *I* can get a good night's sleep, since it would be pointless me
> worrying about all those things if somebody smarter than me is already
> pacing the Oval Office worrying about them for me.
>
Getting blow jobs in the Oval Office, you mean. If you think that a
president's actions absolve you of trying to figure out what to do, you
are sad indeed.
> Am I getting though here Georgie? Is anybody home? Do you really
> want me to lose my sleep? Do you want insomnia to become a national
> epidemic? What would that do to national productivity....the crime
> rate....or family values?
>
The other response was correct, your post is moronic.
> For God's sake George, stop this charade and drop out of the race.
> Have some compassion. You really want to make this a kinder, gentler
> America? Fine. Then step aside, Mr. Bush, just step aside........and
> let us get some sleep.
>
> cheers,
> Trebor
>
Trebor, you need try again. I know you think that Gore can't win with
Bush in the race but at least learn to deal with it. I learned to deal
with eight years of Clinton. You should be man enough to do the same
with someone you dislike.
bre...@no-spam.com
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>
>You mean we'll have a "normal" President?
>
>About time!
>
This Bush supporter doesn't seem very good at reading comprehension,
either. :-)
Cheers,
Bredon
OSCE reports Dec 6, 99:http://www.osce.org/kosovo/reports/hr/part1/p0cont.htm
---
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/4809
I. The Law of General Beneficence: (Golden Rule, help the community)
II. The Law of Special Beneficence (Put own family and friends first)
III. Duties to Parents, Elders, Ancestors (Respect and care for elders)
IV. Duties to Children and Posterity (Protect and care for children)
V. The Law of Justice (marriage, property, fair courts)
VI. The Law of Good Faith and Veracity (Tell truth, keep promises)
VII. The Law of Mercy (Be tender-hearted)
VIII. The Law of Magnanimity: (Soul should rule the body)
Johann von Tebbes
D.G. Porter wrote in message <3856DF...@pacbell.net>...
Nice vulgar (leftist) attack. That really helps me in my endeavor to expose
the sick minds of you libs. Thanks. BTW I was responding to a jerk
responding to another jerk calling himself 'the American People'. who said
his wife has a very high IQ. I think she was supposedly tested when in the
third grade.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
SON O GOD wrote in message <836mm7$lq$1...@brokaw.wa.com>...
>In article <836hll$3ns$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>, Mary E Knadler
>yas...@ix.netcom.com says...
>>
>>In <8360gm$ems$1...@brokaw.wa.com> SON_...@hotmail.com (SON O GOD)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>In article <s5ctuu...@corp.supernews.com>, Johann von Tebbes
>>>jti...@tcainternet.com says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>>>leader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>>qualified
>>>>>>white anglo males.
>>>>>
>>>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>>>
>>family
>>>>status. eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>No, they weren't. The Kennedeys were not accepted socially by the WASP
>>families who guarded Boston's Brahmin institutions in the 1940s.
>>>
>>>
>>Old Joe Kennedy went to Harvard & his money sure helped his sons
>>to get in there as well.
>
>
very
>smart, certainly not because of his family. He was never accepted by Boston
>Society or the patrician finals clubs at Harvard. Most realiable
biographies
>mention this snub.
Snub---BS, he was a whiskey bootlegger destroying lives with it and getting
rich with what honorable people called 'blood' money. I wouldn't want him
in any organization except prison.
Admission to Harvard was driven by much more by merit in the
>early 1930s and 40s when the second generation of Kennedys were admitted,
than
>was Yale in the early 60s when George W. Bush was admitted.
>
>By the way, how would you know what's acceptable to Boston Brahmins and
>Harvard? Don't you find that invitations from the better hostesss in Dover,
>Needham, Hamilton, Cambridge and Boston are somehow always getting lost in
the
>mail on their way to your house? There just doesn't seem to be a Mary
>"Jefferson Davis" Knadler listed in my copy of The Social Register.
Johann von Tebbes
>> >
>> meeting. Bet you're a Mensa wannabe tho.
>> jvt
>
>Seriously, what is so great about Mensa, anyway? From what I hear it's
>a bunch of snobs who don't have a clue as how to party.
>Friend of mine was invited to join, but he declined for this reason.
>Also, they charge too much money.
I seldom go to Mensa functions but I enjoy every one I go to. My wife
thinks it's worth the dues. She pays ours every year.
jvt
Johann von Tebbes
Volt...@geocities.com wrote in message
<3866df6a...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:55:05 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>The American People wrote in message <3856AFAE...@aol.com>...
>>>How about that. My IQ is 131.
>>>
>>That won't get you into Mensa. I'll not miss you the next time we have a
>>meeting. Bet you're a Mensa wannabe tho.
>
>
> Jim
>
Ole Jim Kennemur is a good example of an unqualified Mensa wannabe who is
insanely jealous of Mensans.
Maybe Mr. porter should be his understudy.
jvt
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>walker wrote in message ...
>>In article <sled5s41kh2kvh8pc...@4ax.com>, "George Leroy
>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> >>
>>> >>Gore is smart, knows stuff and is intellectually curious. Bush is
>dufus
>>> >>and proud to be a dufus.
>>> >
>>> >GOOD example of non-substantive name calling.
>>
>>No the name calling relates to what substance there is in the Bush record
>i.e.
>>a collection of gifts of Daddy's friends to build wealth, stock sales that
>>for anyone else would have been 'insider trading', and now a run for the
>>presidency financed by more of Daddy's friends who see another chance to
>>have a front man a la Reagan. And Bush's lack of intellectual curiosity
>>and knowledge and his contempt for same has been on clear public display.
>>This IS the substance of this hollow man -- that the GOPs are offering of.
>>
>>
>> BTW 'Forest Gore' proves
>>> >'stupid is as stupid does'.
>>>
>>> Do you think anyone will believe your absurd claim that Gore is
>>> stupid?
>>>
>>> I assume not. SO why do you say it?
>>> >jvt
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>> George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>
>I'll bet George Clinton/Gore Tyre chewer doesn't resent the Kennedy family's
>'whiskey' fortune.
You "forgot" to answer the question. Try again.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>
>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:57:05 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Mary E Knadler wrote in message <834gb5$lke$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>>>In <1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com> "George Leroy
>>>>Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>>>leader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>>>>qualified
>>>>>>white anglo males.
>>>>>
>>>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now we know why Bush bombed in the debates - he is too dumb to do
>>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I mean, smarter than the average Joe - but only by a tad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But George, Algore is dishonest in addition to being dumb!
>>>>>
>>>>>I posted proof Bush is mediocre. Where is your proof that Gore is? You
>>>>>can't just make up your own facts - it's against the Usenet Rules.
>>>>>
>>>I never said Gore is mediocre because I think of him as being DANGEROUS
>and
>>>dumber than mediocre.
>>
>>Yet you can't present any evidence to support your view of his
>>dumbness.
>>
>>You lose the argument on that one.
>
>Oh Yeah, how about his trying to get people to believe he didn't know the
>Budhist nuns were sworn in poverty
No one has said that Mr. Gore knew they gave money. Plus, are you sure
BUDDHIST nuns take a vow of poverty? I know CATHOLIC nuns do, but,
personally, I have never heard, one way or the other, whether that is
also required of Buddhist.
and he thought their contributions were
>legal? BTW at first he tried to say he didn't think it was a fundraiser.
There was a reporter present who said that it did not appear to be a
fundraiser to him either. At fund raisers, typically, you must have a
ticket for admission, people sit at bought tables, etc. That was not
the case here. Mr. Gore had a standard speech for fundraisers, and he
had a different speech for whipping up groups in various other
contexts. He delivered the other-context speech.
I think you are confused because initially there were two different
events scheduled - a talk at the monastery, and a separate fund-raiser
at a restaurant. The restaurant meeting was canceled, but, apparently,
some of those involved used the temple meeting to collect funds. But
that does NOT mean that Mr. Gore was aware of it.
And, of course, it is NOT illegal for Mr. Gore to collect
contributions in a religious hall. Maybe you are confused about that
as well? It would be considered bad taste, but certainly would break
no law (though a tax-exempt organization could violate certain tax
rules if it failed to deploy its resources for exempt purposes).
>Go figure!
Go back to school to learn to be precise.
>
>How 'bout he tried to claim he was responsible for the internet?
>
>He bragged to tobacco farmers how he helped his family raise and reap
>tobacco and later blubbered about his sister dying of cancer and how he
>hated tobacco. What a piece of work he is!
>
>Remember his 'No controlling legal authority' defence when he campained on
>government equipment/property?
>
>Is that enough? if not there is more.
>jvt
>>
>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
>>>>
>>>>yasmin2:
>>>>
>>>>But George, Gore is really strange. He claims that he does not
>>>>know who he really is. Had to hire someone to help him find
>>>>himself.
>>>>
>>>>His daughter hired Naomi Wolf for him........this for a grown
>>>>man......a grandfather.....still hasn't grown up, I guess.
>>>>
>>>>What if Bush came out with such stuff.....he would have been
>>>>pounded day after day by our wonderuful media (unbiased of course)
>>>>as a NUTCASE..
>>>>
>
>
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In <8360gm$ems$1...@brokaw.wa.com> SON_...@hotmail.com (SON O GOD)
>writes:
>>
>>In article <s5ctuu...@corp.supernews.com>, Johann von Tebbes
>>jti...@tcainternet.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message
>>><1p6b5s0e1vh11gvha...@4ax.com>...
>>>>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:31:25 -0600, "Johann von Tebbes"
>>>><jti...@tcainternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>>>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>>>>>leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some have claimed that the SAT is not really a measure of
>>>>>>intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, it's you lefties trying to promote minorities over better
>qualified
>>>>>white anglo males.
>>>>
>>>>As opposed to Gov Bush, admitted to Yale over better qualified
>>>>non-rich males, because of his Dad?
>>>>
>>>Of course the Kennedys weren't admitted to Hahvaad because of their
>family
>>>status. eh?
>>
>>
>>No, they weren't. The Kennedeys were not accepted socially by the WASP
>families who guarded Boston's Brahmin institutions in the 1940s.
>>
>>
>Old Joe Kennedy went to Harvard & his money sure helped his sons
>to get in there as well.
>
>Who do you think you're kdding. In fact Ted Kennedy got thrown
>out for cheating....got another guy to take a test for him. Quite
>a record at least no one has accused GWB for that, YET!
But many said Ted wasn't smart enough to be President.
Same with Bush.
>
>He was readmitted after his Father sent him off for a stint in the
>Army.....after he got rehabilitated, I guess. Altho that is
>questionable.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>In <zsu54.9252$W2.2...@iad-read.news.verio.net> "cayenne"
><cay...@nyct.net> writes:
>>
>>George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr. wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>I suppose so. But we have OTHER evidence that Bush is "mediocre"
>among
>>>national leaders. His grades in high school were consistent with a
>566
>>>SAT - C;s at Andover. His grades in college were crummy - not a
>single
>>>A (actually, Yale did not have A,B,C etc, but converting - not one
>A).
>>>Bush gets grammar screwed up. He sounds pretty dull, compared to
>other
>>>leaders. In the oil business his Dad did well - he just got more and
>>>more in debt until a friend of his dad bailed him out, presumably to
>>>exploit the Bush name.
>>>
>>>We have an objective measure of his limited skill - and a lot of his
>>>life is consistent with it.
>>
>>
>>Hmmm. The diseased and corrupt Tyrebiter making a case against
>>G.W. Bush based on his SAT scores--how, how, diseased and
>>corrupt.
>>
>>Both IQ and SAT predict precisely zip when it comes to the
>>development of judgement, leadership skills, etc. For instance,
>>Bill Clinton is a slob and a criminal. What were his SAT scores?
>>
>>Al Gore is a dolt and a prevaricator about his own accomplishments
>>and background. How well did he do on the SAT?
>>
>>Did I hear you, Tyrebiter, claim that you went to Yale at the *same*
>>*time* as Bush? What a sorry state that place must have been in
>>even then to have produced a moral and intellectual cripple such
>>as yourself.
>>
>>I'm not speaking here on behalf of G.W. Bush, but merely pointing
>>out to anyone who doesn't already know it that you are the author
>>of diseased and corrupt rhetoric and that you have a diseased
>>and corrupt mind.
>>
>>
>yasmin2:
>
>I don't believe he even went to Yale or was there when GWB was
>there. He has only recently let this be known. Odd that he would
>not have made this fact public long before this.
I am willing to make a bet to be held by a third-party stake holder we
agree on - say Andrew Hall? How about a million dollars, or any amount
less than that that you agree on?
>
>He said at one time he KNEW & had talked to a room-mate of GWB,
I never said that. I probably said, coyly, that I knew many people who
went to school with him.
>but never said he was also on campus at the same time.
You never asked me where I went to school before.
>
>Also how does he know his grades at Andover, did someone release
>those as well.
Mr. Bush was asked by a student what his grades were and he answered.
>
>But of course it is really irrelevant. We have an example of a
>Yale grad like GWB with, according to George Tyrebiter, with
>exceedingly LOW SATs, winning election twice as Gov of Texas &
>now running for the Presidency of the US & on the other hand we
>have a Yale grad with "high" SATs & receiving high honors upon
>graduation & now spends a good deal of time posting to this
>newsgroup.
Yes. I lack ambition, and have always wanted to just live in a
library. Bookish fellow. The internet is my current library. It takes
many skills to be Governor - such as having the right dad, etc. I do
not claim that high intelligence is sufficient to be a good President.
I just suggest that it is ONE of many traits which are prerequisites
for the job.
>
>No high power job that keeps him tied up in meetings making
>those big bucks we would EXPECT from a Yale grad, or going on
>to Yale Law & represetning big name clients......why he's just
>one of us....lowly newsgroupies.
A certain species of primates spends about 15 minutes a day gathering
food. The rest of the time they play. We spend more than forty hours a
week to get what we need. Which species is more intelligent?
I have a job where I get paid a lot per hour, so that I can work very
few hours to do what I prefer - playing around. I like to play around
with you, Mrs. Knadler. You may find it odd - but I find you, and
others here, and this posting game entertaining. I prefer play to
work. A character flaw, some would think. But once, when I worked in a
high rise making lots of money, it hit me that everyone I knew would
run out of time before they ran out of money. And that therefore time
is far more valuable.
I think we work basically to get status. To have more things to show
that we are superior to others. I am so vain that I know I am superior
to others without having to "prove" it to myself or to anyone else.
I think full-time workers are sad chumps, trapped by the evolutionary
pressures to be number one in the social group. It serves an
evolutionary purpose - being number one - but at the level of
individuals - it's insane.
Tune in, turn on, drop out. There is an Eastern wisdom in that, Mrs.
Knadler. But I know that millions of years of evolution will block its
wisdom from your mind.
>Now who would you say has achieved more in life....that is
>which George, low SATSs or not.
I don't know. I think I have had more, better relationships with
really smart women than GOv Bush, and I consider that the real meaning
of life.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Scott Piper
wondering...
Scott
classical.liberal wrote in message
<834biq$kvi$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyre...@workOMITmail.com> wrote:
>>Gov Bush had only a 566 on the verbal part of the SAT.
>>
>>That's slightly above normal - shockingly mediocre for a national
>>leader.
>
Scott Piper
Trebor wrote in message <385684cc...@news.earthlink.net>...
>
>Now Governor, this is the third time I've written you, and I'm still
>waiting for some sort of positive response on your part. Understand,
>Gov Bush, I have nothing against you personally. I'm sure, if you
>weren't in politics, we could even go out drinking together. We could
>probably stay up all night swapping dirty jokes and picking up broads,
>as was your custom. (Except I don't do drugs.)
I really doubt you would enjoy his company - way to intelligent a conversant
for your taste.
>
>But you see, it's like this Mr Bush: I need my sleep. And by that I
>mean: I need to know that the guy sitting in the White House with his
>finger on the trigger, is just a little smarter than I am.
This is undoubtedly no problem. A bland meatloaf rates as smarter than you.
Cheers,
Scott