The Gandalf Grey Usenet Abuse FAQ, Version 1.1:
Publius
Notice: The source for all information contained in the FAQ is derived from
"Grey's" history of posting as found in Google Groups, and as such is in the
public domain.
Revisions:
Ver 1.0: Original FAQ
Ver 1.1: Minor text changes and inclusion of additional cited material and.
Examples of Grey's reprisal and debating tactics included.
**WHO IS GANDALF GREY AND WHY SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT HIM?
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> is a major abuser of the
Usenet system.
Grey illegally reposts some 8000 copyrighted print/web articles per year
into at least 9 political newsgroups. On an annual basis, Grey dumps over
80 megabytes of copyrighted traffic into Usenet. Using these actions, Grey
is attempting to drown opposing voices by "jamming" the newsgroups with a
massive amount of illegally reprinted copyrighted material that supports his
political views.
It is this behavior, and ONLY this behavior, that qualifies Grey for
notoriety. His other posts, and the content of articles whose copyright
protection he has violated is irrelevant to this FAQ, which is solely
devoted to his behavior and not his politics.
**WHAT IS GREY'S POSTING HISTORY?
Grey's abuse of Usenet has been an on-going event since at least March of
1995 under a series of identities. "Grey" is only his latest handle or
identity when posting in political groups. This current identity dates from
November 1996 when he dropped his previous public persona
are...@ix.netcom.com (RH) in an attempt to "go underground."
His notice of identity change is dated from 11/28/1996. It reads in part:
Quote:
From: are...@ix.netcom.com (RH)
Subject: !GOODBYE?
Date: 1996/11/28
Message-ID: <329f18e...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
references: <329DE5...@globaldialog.com>
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
organization: Netcom
x-netcom-date: Thu Nov 28 5:32:22 PM CST 1996
mime-version: 1.0
newsgroups:
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.newt-ging
rich,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.dear.whitehouse,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.pol
itics.usa.conservatives,talk.politics.misc
[snip]
I want to thank all the many lurkers who have written me letters of
support for my endeavors. To those liberal and progressive posters
who choose to remain, I wish luck and wit and the patience necessary
to deal with the mentally ill. To those lunatics who favored me with
their attention, don't think I've stopped watching you or that you can
ever really be free of me. I'm as close to you as your guilty
consciences, as inevitable as your worst nightmares.
RH
End Quote
The "RH" stands for Richard Hanson (sometimes spelled by others as Hansen).
Richard Hanson is Gandalf Grey's name in real life.
It should be noted that Hanson did not entirely abandon the use of his
"area51" identity for Usenet Posting. He continued to use this identity to
post on non-political news groups until at least 1998, if not later.
However, Hanson has used "Gandalf Grey" for political messages since 1996.
Neither "area51" nor any previous identity has been used to post in the
political newsgroups since 11/1998, as far as this author can determine.
**WHAT WERE GREY'S PREVIOUS ONLINE IDENTITIES?
He adopted and began to use the handle of are...@ix.netcom.com (RH) at the
end of July, 1996 and used this for approximately 6 months before abandoning
it for the current "Gandalf Grey" in political posts.
Prior to using his "area51" persona, Hanson used the handle
"R...@zetetic.org". He used this handle for about 2 weeks, until this
identity was linked to the handle he was using for the previous year:
"rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson)."
Hanson began posting political messages on or about March 2, 1995 using
"rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson)." An early article establishes his liberal
credentials and his point of view:
Quote:
From: rha...@ix.netcom.com (Richard Hanson)
[snip]
Subject: Re: !ATTENTION LIMBICILES!
Date: 2 Mar 1995 19:12:59 GMT
[snip]
Message-ID: <3j55br$j...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
[snip]
I agree with virtually everything you've said here. The only problem
is, I think a lot of the reactionary CNs [conservanazis] are too stupid
to recognize the sarcasm of your posting.
The problem is that for many years we've all realized that there was a
sizeable rightest minority in America. And I think we've all sat at
enough dinner tables with the "silent majority" to hear the kind of
sniveling bigotries that make it all too clear what the conservatives
actually "stand" for. The only thing that made the conservative
postion tolerable was that most of these people kept their mouths shut,
realizing that most people would at least pay lip service to the
fundamental principles of democracy.
[snip]
But unfortunatetly, so is fear, and hatred of what is feared, and thus
was created the conservative movement. The saddest thing about this
fundamental struggle is that, although I have seen quite a few
misguided
liberal leaders in my day, I've never met one that I would call
intentionally evil. I can't say the same for the conservatives. Oh
sure, most conservatives are just plain moronic. But their
leaders--there's something amazingly evil about rich powerful men
getting more rich and more powerful by feeding on the fears and hatreds
of the terminally idiotic. Every time I listen to a Limbough or a
Buckley, I shudder at the real evil in America. These men would and
will snuff out their followers in an instant, and their only real
vision
of America is a dark world where they and only they rule.
The victory of conservativeism will not spell the end of liberalism so
much as it will sound the death knell for democracy itself.
Regards,
RH
End quote
As will be shown later, his devotion to his cause has directly led to the
objectionable behavior that continues to this day.
Prior to 1995, most of Hanson's posts were aimed at other groups. He was a
prominent poster in the StarTrek news group alt.tv.star-trek.voyager, for
example.
**WHY IS WHAT HE DOES HE DO HERE IN THE NEWSGROUPS SO OBJECTIONABLE?
On March 2, 1995, Hanson wrote:
Quote:
Now with demagogues like the newt and Rush "Limbo" commandeering the
airwaves, the sheep have decided that being conservative is *in.* Now,
it's okay to mouth almost any conservative obscenity, because, after
all--didn't Rush say it was okay to be a bigoted ratbastard? Didn't
Newt say that liberals are baaaaad? Oh yes, the sheep have definitely
gotten out of the dip to voice their now fashionable creed. Social
concern is baaaaad! Clinton is baaaaad! Hillary has a brain and can
actually speak in words of more than one syllable--that's baaaaad!
Endquote
[see: Message-ID: <3j55br$j...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> above]
With this declaration and his expressed view that Conservatives are "evil,"
Hanson begins a campaign to counter what he perceives to be "conservative
obscenity" being posted on the Internet by those "ratbastard" conservative
"sheep."
Editor Paul McCloskey wrote in 1993:
"Consider this: My $1000 PC is now a personal broadcasting station
that reaches more people than the CBS affiliate in Washington D.C. I
can get more local viewers with a single e-mail posting to the
Internet than Sally Jessy Raphael can get in a single sweeps month
... (Hey Washington Post! POOF! You're a newsletter!)"
[Paul McCloskey, Forward to "The Internet for Dummies," IDG Books Worldwide,
Inc., San Mateo, CA, 1993]
Expressing a point of view in the marketplace of ideas is not an unworthy
activity. Hanson certainly has a right to express his opinions. The Internet
is an unprecedented medium to allow full and free discourse in a market
place of ideas that hasn't been seen since classical times, and he has every
right to use this medium to advance his point of view.
However, *HOW* Hanson sends his message is the issue of this FAQ. Hanson
clearly abuses the medium in promoting his message.
The focus of Hanson's original attention was newsgroup
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater. Prior to Hanson's participation, the
"whitewater" newsgroup was a relatively low traffic one used to communicate
the events within and about the Clinton Whitewater "scandal."
Once Hanson began posting to the newsgroup, several things happened. The
posts became personally confrontational, grew large in number, and major
newsgroup cross posting began, as well as dumping entire news articles from
copyrighted sources.
A complaint about Hanson's tactics from 1996:
Quote:
From: wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann)
Subject: CROSSPOSTING
Date: 1996/04/14
Message-ID: <4kpslo$g...@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
organization: Netcom
x-netcom-date: Sat Apr 13 8:50:16 PM PDT 1996
newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
Let me ask the regulars here a question. The regulars that are
MUCH
more knowledgeable about the Net than I am. Who are the people that
are either starting the multiple crossposted posts and who are the
people that are adding all of the newsgroups into the headers so that
they go to in the area of twenty newsgroups? If we all know who is
the people really responsible for this, maybe we can quit responding
to their posts and maybe they will decide to be more cooperative .
This newsgroup is in FAR WORST shapoe than it has ever been in. It is
almost worthless the way it is. Why should a person need to download
200 messages to get maybe ten that are responsive? Doesn't anyone
care? Thank you.
Endquote
Another earlier complaint about Hanson's cross posting, coupled with an
explanation for the behavior was:
Quote:
From: riv...@news.accessone.com (Michael Rivero)
Subject: Re: Crossposting
Date: 1996/02/18
Message-ID: <4g8fmd$o...@pulm1.accessone.com>#1/1
references: <4g7p4u$6...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>
organization: Accessone
newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
In article <4g7p4u$6...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
John Benedetto <bene...@mundo.eco.utexas.edu> wrote:
>I read this group sometimes while working, but it is taking longer and
longer
>to access because there are so many damn crosspostings. Please, I
know this
>has been said a thousand times before, and in some sense I am just
wasting
>people's time and space also, but please stop crossposting irrelevant
>material. At its most generous, this group is about:
>
> * Whitewater
> * Foster's death
> * Mena and Iran-Contra connections to current politicians
> * other current political corruption issues
>
>Anyway, it is NOT a general discussion group about politics, so
please,
>please, please stop sending that stuff here. It is becoming a real
waste of
>time. I'm sure Pat Buchanan, gun control, etc. are all fascinating
issues,
>but they are not for this group.
>
Last year, when Whitewater started heating up, most of the topics you
object to were being discussed on alt.conspiracy. At about the same
time the
hard core porno started showing up, alt.conspiracy was flooded, junked
up,
if you will, with posts about aliens, Elvis, Jewish conspiracies, and
so
forth, which were notable for one consistant fact; they were NOT posted
to the groups set aside for the subjects being posted about.
Because alt.conspiracy had no specific subject under discussion,
requests
for the various junk posts to return to their dedicated groups were
ignored, or responded to in quite arrogant terms.
Needless to say, the flood of junk persisted, making alt.conspiracy
almost impossible to read without the benefit of kill files and an
intelligent newsreader.
In radio terms, such a practice of overwhelming meaningful
communications
with useless noise is called "jamming" and having jammed
alt.conspiracy,
the same tactic is obviously being tried here.
The strategy is fourfold. Make the group hard to read. Design the
junk to
help discourage the casual browser. Remove the sexual content so that
fewer
people will even bother logging into the internet. Crosspost the
discussions
one is losing to inappropriate groups to alienate the rest of the net
from the
political groups, again to discourage the casual browsers.
Those who have studied the COINTELPRO scandel from the 70's will
recognize
a very old set of tricks brought into the high-tech age.
Endquote
The implication was that alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater was being
deliberately jammed by people opposed to discussing Whitewater in public or
on the Net. These people were perceived to be Clinton supporters anxious to
"spin" the issue in favor of Bill Clinton.
The act of "jamming" alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater is an attempt to
stifle debate. That in itself, is abuse.
**WHEN DID GREY START APPROPRIATING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL FOR HIS OWN USE?
Hanson started republishing copyrighted material without permission in 1996.
This was noted (and complained about) at that time.
Poster '"John Q. Public" <j...@globaldialog.com>:" in Message-ID:
<318606...@globaldialog.com>#1/1 posted this complaint:
Quote:
Hanson:
This is the crap he's referring to.
Let's get back on topic, which is your efforts to disrupt
The whitewater ng. You're not playing nice, Hanson."
"John Q.Public" was referring to Hanson completely republishing an entire
copyrighted article (that he already republished) in response to a poster
complaining about it. This is one behavior that Hanson continues to use
today. That is a clear attempt to "shout down" opposition to his tactics.
Such attempts to stifle such criticism of his behavior is abusive.
While, Hanson wasn't the only poster illegally republishing copyrighted
materials, an analysis of archival data from Google shows that author of
many (if not most) of these "jamming" posts in the whitewater newsgroup was
Richard Hanson.
Today, Hanson continues to "jam" the newsgroups through the same tactics of
illegal republication of copyrighted articles as well as the repeated
republication of the *SAME* article in response to complaints about him. In
other words, Hanson has not changed his tactics --not one bit in over 8
years of posting.
Author Kurt Nicklas performed an analysis on Hanson's posting tactics on
4/27/1996:
Quote:
I thought all of the posters on this newsgroup might be interested
to know some statistics on our buddy Richard Hanson who is of late
trying to distrupt this group by flooding it with off-topic posts.
Lurkers, pay attention and ask yourself if the following stats
depict an individual positively obsessed with disrupting rather
than contributing:
Between March 3, 1995 and April 26, 1996 Hanson posted 899
articles, 90% of which were follow-ups and not originals:
416 (!) to a.ce.c.ww
127 to talk.politics.misc
108 alt.fan.newt-gingrich
99 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
44 rec.arts.startrek.current (a TREKKY, it
seems!)
27 alt.politics.usa.republican
10 alt.flame.rush-limbaugh
The balance went to other, mostly political groups but only 4 to
alt.president.clinton, a mere 2 to alt.activism and one pitiful
post to misc.activism.progressive. [Message-ID:
<4ltrpt$s...@rbdc.rbdc.com>#1/1]
End Quote
This analysis is remarkably similar to one the author performed in 2001:
Base newsgroup: Alt.politics.bush
Date/Time: 8/13/01 10:13 - 8/23/01 19:30
Total Bytes submitted: 3561KB
Average # Newsgroups: 5
Total Article submitted: 601
Total Original Articles: 231 (not beginning with "Re:")
Total COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS: 162
[Originally Posted: 8/24/2001]
Since then, the average number of news groups cross-posted to by Hanson is
up
to 9, the number of number of annual copyrighted articles is up to 8000, and
the average number of copyrighted megabytes per annum is 80 megabytes.
**IS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR SINCE THEN?
Not really. Hanson used back then, and continues to use such juvenile
tactics today as "changing subject headers" and deliberate personal slander,
and outright lies about his opponents to demean them. The following words
of Hanson's were posted in 1996.
Examples:
"No. John... I'm not a "conduit" for anyone like you are. So, cough
it up, HackBoy. How much IS the RNC paying you for the vomit you're
posting here?" [Message-ID: <31c0f66b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
"Shut up, Wayne.
I don't care what you send to your lawyer. You are now so guilty of
so many violations that no one in the world will ever give you any
credibilty in any court over any subject.
Go do your worst, scumbag.
RH"
[Message-ID: <31d8a773...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
"Grow the fuck up, Shitstick" [Message-ID:
9kemio$f68$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net]
"You're a crack-up, RatGirl.
Nice to see you visiting. Playing Australian tag-team posting with
your schizophrenic double Wayne again, I see.
How are things in alt.fetish.scatological?
RH" [Message-ID: <31edc7be...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
"Why should I cite Goebbels when Pat spends so much of his time doing
same?
RH" [Message-ID: <31e74b46...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
Other complaints (and evidence of "jamming") from 1996 include inappropriate
posts to the newsgroup, massive cross-posting, and worst of all, mail
bombing.
Quote:
From: wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann)
Subject: Re: HANSON SENDING UNSOLICETED E-MAIL WITH PHONY ADDRESS
Date: 1996/07/02
Message-ID: <4ra83v$g...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
references: <4r7nrk$5...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
<31d7d9c...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
organization: Netcom
x-netcom-date: Mon Jul 01 11:21:19 PM CDT 1996
newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson) wrote:
>wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:
>> HANSON do NOT ever e-mail me again, particularly since you
>>have a phony address.
>Don't tell me what to do, Wayne. And if I find out you're emailing
>copies of articles to any progressive poster in this group you can
>count on a lot more email than you're getting now.
>RH
>>
Let me make this VERY clear for you. I have asked you
several times to NOT send me any e-mail. You have done it
again. I have written to Netcom about it and I have
sent copies of everything to and have talked to my lawyer
about it. Now just so even an idiot like you should be able
to understand this. DO NOT E_MAIL ME AGAIN. [snip]
Endquote
Further, even today, Hanson sometimes acts rather immaturely and in a
juvenile fashion in dealing with his opposition. His long-time tendency to
respond by reposting verbatim (or essentially verbatim) earlier posts and
copyrighted articles is just a continuing indication of his desire to "shut
the opposition down."
For modern examples of this tendency, see:
Message-ID: 3f78a3a3$0$164$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com
Message-ID: 3f787843$0$231$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com
Message-ID: 3f78a3d8$0$251$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com
With the exception of "mail bombing," Hanson continues to use such tactics
under his current handle: Gandalf Grey <ganda...@infectedmail.com>
**WHY IS HE DOING THIS?
All of the above points to one inescapable conclusion: Richard Hanson is
running a one-man agitprop campaign intended to silence or dilute the
message of people he considers conservative "ratbastards" and "sheep."
In fact, with respect to alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, he even
admits to it:
Richard Hanson writes, quote:
Yeah, yeah...right, schmuck. Just like the last time you were going
to "retire." It's been a real hoot watching you and your alter ego,
Wayne declare you're leaving time and again only to see you post your
vomit again in a few days or even hours.
Just checked my butt, RatGirl. Not even a bruise.
I guess that's because I've been kicking YOUR Right Wing rear ever
since you began to post your replies.
Oh, well... It hardly matters. Your newsgroup's deader than a
wrapped mackerel. The majority of the posters are wrapped up in
replying to myself and the loyal progressives that post here leaving
you and your bizarre twit friends without the time to spew your usual
hate rhetoric.
All in all, it's very satisfying.
Ta, ta. Loonette.
I woof last. You can depend on it.
RH
Endquote
[Message-ID: <31db689b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
In other words, Gandalf Grey (Richard Hanson) openly admitted that he is
deliberately jamming this newsgroup, using massive cross posting, copyright
infringement, ad-hominem attacks, personal slander, mail-bombing, and other
tactics.
With an admission of his intentions, the case against him as being a Usenet
abuser is proved.
**IS HE A "NET LEGEND?"
No. Hanson is an abuser, not a legend.
Quote:
From: tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan)
Subject: Dear Mr. Hanson
Date: 1996/04/17
Message-ID: <4l1i12$n...@news.campus.mci.net>#1/1
organization: CampusMCI
newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
net.legends committee
Hanson
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
Dear Mr. Hanson
We would like to take this time to inform you that your request to be
listed on the 'Net.legends' list has been denied.
As you know, space is at a premium on the 'Net.legends' list, and we
restrict it to only the most outstanding idiots on the net, and while
you are an idiot, we have concluded that you are just a common idiot
rather than an outstanding idiot.
We would however, like to thank you for your participation and
application. To show our appreciation and gratitude, we have taken
your application for the 'Net.legends' list and fowarded to the
'Usenet.kooks', along with our hearty recommendation.
Good luck, God speed, and please keep trying. Perhaps in the future
there may be ample evidence to upgrade your rating from a mere idiot
to a complete idiot. Our handicappers have been analyzing your posts
since you applied, and think that there is a distinct possibility you
may eventually make it.
Sincerely,
The 'Net.legends' list committee
Endquote
**WHAT IS HIS PERSONAL HISTORY AND BIO?
The information about Richard Hanson comes from the Usenet archives at
Google.
This was posted on January 15, 1996
Quote:
Excerpted from: WebRunner (zine) August, 1995
URL: (http://www.access.digex.net/~web/byauthor.html)
[Editor's Note: digex.net is now defunct]
Self-Interest and the Politics of Insult
By Richard Hanson
Cruising the Internet newsgroups looking for "good democratic ideas"
has
turned out to be a harrowing experience. Personal attack as a form of
political argument has reached new lows in a form of political rhetoric
that seems to attach meaning and success to those arguments that
contain
the greatest "in your face" quality. In the midst of on-line arguments,
I
have often referred to such tactics as being reminiscent of sophomore
debate, knowing full well that it would sting the opposition. Sadly, I
also
know, truth be told, that no sophomore debate squad would stoop so low.
About Richard Hanson
Richard Hanson graduated from Portland State University (1979) with a
B.S.
in Biology. He later obtained a Teaching Certificate and propagandized
many innocent students with progressive ideas until the authorities
caught
on. He is the author of two novels, thirty short stories and several
political articles and is presently working on a textbook on moral
philosophy. Mr. Hanson lives in Oregon with his wife, where he raises
and
trains boxers, and is actively involved in politics and the Animal
Rights
movement.
End quote:
[Message-ID: 4lk6sg$j...@panix2.panix.com]
By the way, Hanson agrees that this is his biography in message:
[Message-ID: <4mk1p7$m...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
Quote:
Dear Mr. Reedstrom:
1. the bio posted on this group is about me.
2. the bio was not posted by me.
3. I have never used the facts in my bio as evidence of any
'expertice' on my part, nor have I made any claims to expert knowledge
of any kind in any article posted on any political newsgroup.
4. I somehow do not feel the need, therefore, to justify myself to you
or anyone else in these groups.
I hope this explains the situation to you. If not, tough.
RH
Endquote
[Message-ID: <4mk1p7$m...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
Editor's Note: It was alleged in 2001, that Hanson lived in Hillsboro,
Oregon. The location of his current residence is controversial. The author
has shown evidence of him posting from the Sea-Tac area of Washington State,
using an Earthlink dialup server there, though the consensus is that he
still lives in Hillsboro, Oregon.
The important thing about this self-bio is to note: 1) He is the author of
books and ought to know something about copyrights and protection of his own
intellectual property, and 2), he is using the same tactics that he deplored
back in January, 1995.
As to the correlation between Richard Hanson and Gandalf Grey identity,
Martin McPhillips <jour...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
Quote:
Sure. You just share the same streaming demonic energy,
same political views (such as they are), same verbal tics,
same posting habits, and the same home as Richard Hanson
of Hillsboro, Oregon, who has been depressed his entire
life, is suicidal, and is a pretty clear case of borderline
personality disorder. Given that you share so much
with Richard, you should tap him on the shoulder tonight
and let him know that you're occupying the same body
he does.
Endquote
]Message-ID: <3AE390DB...@nyc.rr.com>]
**ARE GANDALF GREY AND RICHARD HANSON ONE AND THE SAME?
An analysis shows that Gandalf Grey (today) does indeed use the exact same
tactics and posting style as Richard Hanson in 1996).
Example:
Grey uses false and misleading subject headers, as does Hanson.
"From: rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson)
Subject: Re: PAID RIGHT WING HACK TRIES ANOTHER DODGE [was Re: Is
TRICKY DICK! HANSON BEING PAID? (was Re: John Q. Public ...)"
[Message-ID: <31c0f66b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
Grey uses 3rd party slandering in the exact same manner as Hanson does:
"So the Discip is still posting, and as brief but boring as usual. Jim
certainly seems to bring out the rabies in William. I kill filed the
little jerk ages ago. Judging from the tone of his response, he
hasn't aged well.
RH" [Message-ID: <31edbff4...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
"It's just more of the same old buckshot routine, Larry. Come up with
enough innuendo and maybe some of it will rub off. Judging from
John's tone, lately, I don't even think he really cares anymore.
Certainly, most of his original passion is gone. Of course, when
you've wedded yourself to the idea of Clinton as solely responsible
for every problem in the last forty years, it's difficult to not seem
a bit foolish. And not facing up to the fact that corruption is a
bipartisan game would make anyone look foolish after awhile.
John's just looking foolish sooner than later.
RH" [Message-ID: <31edc096...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
Grey illegally reprints copyrighted articles without permission, as does
Hanson"
See: Message-ID: <31f9bd04...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
Grey (and Hanson) complain about spamming the net and ad hominem attacks,
while he and Hanson does that exactly that, a tactic in hypocrisy that is
unchanged since 1995:
See: Message-ID: <31f4089c...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1,
Message-ID: <31f07741...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1,
Message-ID: <31edc4b6...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
Grey expresses the exact opinion about Republicans that Hanson does. Hanson
calls the Republican Party, the "Party of Hate"
Usenet poster "Liberty" responds with a dead-on description of Grey's
tactics:
"The Party of Hate, eh? I never knew what hate was 'till I started hanging
around with phony liberals who sounded a lot like you, sir."
[lib...@panix.com (liberty) to Richard Hansen]
Because the style, wording, tactics, and method of "jamming" the newsgroups
is identical between Hanson and "Grey" - including the fact that one ceased
posting when the other began -- the case to link Gandalf Grey and Richard
Hanson is proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
**SO WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT HIS SO-CALLED COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS?
The most damaging thing about Hanson/Grey's behavior comes from his
acknowledged biography.
By his own admission, Richard Hanson is a published author. Therefore he
has no excuse to pretend to be ignorant at to the illegality of his actions.
The fact that he is using other people's copyrighted property in an illegal
manner is unconscionable for anyone who claims to be an author. To say it
is hypocritical to expect protection for his own works, while abusing the
protection of others whose works he appropriates is an understatement.
He, of all people, knows how hard it is to write, how hard it is to become
published, and how much of themselves authors pour into their work - yet HE
willingly violates the rights of other authors in order to silence
ideological opponents.
Such behavior goes beyond "bad" behavior, especially in the age of the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. Such behavior becomes a criminal
enterprise.
The technical result of Hanson's tactic of "jamming" the newsgroups is to
drown out other posters, specifically posters who do not share his ideology.
While any copyright violation is a "bad thing," the occasional poster who
cribs an article is generally not considered a threat to the system of
copyrights that protect the creators and owners of copyrighted material.
However, Hanson's wholesale republishing of other's work (8000 copyrighted
articles per year), without the permission of, or any compensation to, the
owners of the material goes far beyond anything that any rational person
would consider acceptable. Contrary to what Hanson claims, his massive
republishing effort can not be justified as "fair use."
"Historically, fair use was a narrow exception to copyright law that applied
to education and critical commentary. It has become an excuse for people
whoare lazy or simply too cheap to purchase a copyright license. " [Lance
Rose, "Is Copyright Dead on the Net?,"
http://www.eff.org/IP/is_copyright_dead.paper]
Both statute and case law exclude extraction and republication of entire
works from any claim of "Fair Use." While this FAQ is not intended to be a
primer on copyright law, there is no, ZERO, NADA, case law on the books that
permits verbatim republishing of copyrighted articles by people not licensed
to do so, especially articles that appear on commercial news websites where
advertising revenue and payment for reprint rights are involved.
Further information about copyrights and the law can be found at:
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases/copyrt.htm
An example of a recent copyright violation case and it's settlement can be
found at:
http://www.techlawjournal.com/courts/freerep/Default.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/702701/posts
Unlike the controversy over the music sharing peer-to-peer networks where
people volunteer to store on their own computers and swap music MP3's
amongst themselves, Richard Hanson is "pushing" articles that he does not
own onto thousands of servers around the world in a clear violation of both
federal and international copyright law.
**IS GREY A PAID POLITICAL OPERATIVE?
Apparently. Without seeing his "pay stub" it is not possible to be entirely
sure. However there is enough circumstantial evidence to credibly advance
the hypothesis.
Authors: disc...@crl.com (William R. Discipio Jr), "John Q. Public"
j...@globaldialog.com, Pat Kelso ke...@engr.latech.edu, Martin McPhillips
jour...@nyc.rr.com and also <abig...@inx.net>, and others identify him
with the Democratic Party establishment in Oregon. Specifically, he has
been identified as an associate of current US Senator Ron Wyden (D) and as a
former Assistant Secretary of State for Oregon. The latter claim that
Hanson is (or was) a government official) is probably not true, though
Hanson implies an official connection to the Secretary of State of Oregon in
a post dated 7/5/1996:
Quote:
Your smears are of no interest to anyone. If you have real
information, I suggest strongly that you post it. I will be referring
any information I see here to the appropriate authorities.
As I said before, these are very serious charges.
You might want to start thinking very seriously about what the
repercussions might be. Mr. Tyrell is a known liar. I personally
would love to see a very white hot light aimed at one of his lies and
I certainly won't mind if I get you into the light with him.
[snip]
RH
Endquote
[Message-ID: <31dc6669...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
And
Quote:
I will be bringing any information you bring to the net to the
attention of the state authorities. If you really believe these are
charges that have not been investigated you should post them, if you
have information on charges that have already been posted....
As I said before, this is a serious matter. You might want to
consider just what you're thinking about doing. The people of Oregon,
both Republicans and Democrats are very proud of their state. I can
assure you, that they aren't going to take kindly to lies or to the
reposting of already disproved charges as fact."
Endquote
Message-ID: <31dc654f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1
Then there is the scale of his efforts and the amount of personal time to do
what he does.
Richard Hanson has posted tens of thousands of anti-Republican, anti-Bush,
anti-conservative messages since 1995. Over the late 2002- early 2003
period, Hanson/Grey has consistently and illegally posted at an annual rate
of over 8000 copyrighted messages. This works out to 21.9 copyrighted
articles per calendar day, 2.7 per hour, over an 8 hour day. This rate of
posting does NOT include replies, flames, and other traffic - it ONLY
includes copyrighted articles that he finds on the net and republishes.
Either Hanson is independently wealthy, or he is employed by SOMEBODY and
posting on their dime. The fact that Hanson is allowed to spend his days
posting political articles on company time implies a lax attitude of his
employer - or his employer is a POLITICAL one. If the later, given the
nature of his republishing effort and ideology, there is only one
possibility here as to whom that may be: the Democratic party.
The case for Hanson being a paid political operative is very strong.
**OKAY, YOU'VE CONVINCED ME. I'VE NOW COMPLAINED ABOUT GREY'S BEHAVIOR IN
THE NEWSGROUPS AND GREY IS CALLING ME A FASCIST/STALINIST/OTHER NAME. HOW DO
I DEAL WITH GREY WHEN HE SO SLANDERS ME?
The important thing for you is to recognize that Hanson slanders you because
he wants to diminish your credibility, and he wants to silence you. This
has been part of his behavior and clear motivation since 1996 and earlier.
Hanson routinely slanders people who oppose him. This is easily shown from
the record. His repeated accusation of fascism or Stalinism against people,
without any evidence other than the fact that they oppose him, is certainly
defamatory.
You have few LEGAL options, however. [Note: the author categorically rules
out any violent confrontation as a legal, valid, response.] You may
certainly respond to his slanders and express your personal opinion of him
in return. You may ignore him. You may killfile him. Or you may attempt to
sue him for defamation. As it is clear that he is expressing his unfounded
personal opinion about you, you would have to show that his expressions have
in fact harmed you in some way. This is Usenet -- Good luck!
The fact that Hanson routinely commits slander (and has done so for years)
is amply shown by the evidence of his posts. For example, here a list of
sample slanders Grey/Hanson has committed against the author of this FAQ
over the past several years:
"Somewhere in the Bush Junta White House, a toilet backed up and
George of the Jungle...wrote" Gandalf Grey, 3/4/2001
"You're not even a blip on my radar screen, Fascist boy." Gandalf Grey,
3/29/2001
"You're just a chimp flinging feces, Jungle George." Gandalf Grey, 3/29/2001
"So fling some more fascism, rightie. We're laughing at you." Gandalf Grey,
3/29/2001
"And you're one of the right wing "republican bastards" along with the
Federalist Club, the Christian Coalition, Judicial Watch and the American
Nazi Party." Gandalf Grey, 3/29/2001
".....is because George of the Jungle is an obsessive preteen with delusions
that he can turn himself into an army by changing his name" Gandalf Grey,
8/19/2001
"Paid Stalinist and would-be net-nazi "George of the Jungle"
<anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in message..." Gandalf Grey, 3/8/2003
"Lifelong Stalinist, "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu>
wrote in message..." Gandalf Grey 3/18/2003
"Boy Stalinist, "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in
message..." Gandalf Grey, 3/18/2002
"Lifelong Stalinist and police state groupie "George of the Jungle"
<anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in message..." Gandalf Grey, 3/19/2003
"Stalinist whore "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in
message..." Gandalf Grey, 3/20/2003
"George is the classic example of the Usenet neocon loser. He long ago
stopped posting anything of substance and now shows up only to spew venom
before skulking back under his rock. He's gone the way of Dana and Kurt
Nicklas and Bithead." Gandalf Grey, 8/17/2003
"Paid Right Wing Stalinist "George of the Jungle"
<anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in message..." Gandalf Grey, 8/18/2003
"Fuck off, Stalinist." Gandalf Grey, 8/21/2003
"Stalinist troll "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in
message..." Gandalf Grey, 8/21/2003
"None of your fucking business, Dick." Gandalf Grey, 8/21/2003
"Lifelong Neocon Stalinist "George of the Jungle"
<anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote..." Gandalf Grey, 9/1/2003
"Bigoted Stalinist "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote
in message..." Gandalf Grey, 9/4/2003
When challenged or criticized for such tactics, Hanson usually relies on the
use of the "You, too" argument. The "You, too" argument is technically a
debating fallacy also known as "Tu Quoque." It is an attempt to justify
behavior and tactics in terms of that of others. It is a commonly used by
those who cannot defend either their behavior or the behavior of those they
support, so they attempt to create an "equivalency" by pointing to the
behavior of others as justification for their own bad behavior. Another
term for this fallacious behavior is "moral equivalency.'
Hanson practices "tu quoque" both in justifying his massive copyright
violations and in response to criticism of his use of personal slander
against his critics.
Another tactic used by Hanson to deflect criticism of his copyright
violations and his use of slander is plain denial. For example, he adds the
following statement to the end of each copyrighted article he republishes:
"I am making such material available in an effort to advance
understanding of
environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific,
and
social justice issues, etc. I believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of
any
such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US
Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107"
Such a declaration is a plain denial of both case law and statute which
clearly prohibits the republishing of entire works without permission. This
bit of nonsense is an attempt to deny his real motivation behind his
behavior: to drown out voices he does not approve of. Clearly, Hanson
believes that his mission entitles him to violate the law in such an
egregious manner.
Another term for behavior that is clearly wrong but is justified to oppose
what is perceived to be wrong is sometimes called "Moral Relativism," or
"the ends justify the means."
**SO WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE HERE?
You must understand why Hanson is posting in Usenet. Hanson posts in Usenet
to confront what he perceives to be "conservative obscenity" being written
on the Internet by those "ratbastard" conservative "sheep." Hanson's
admitted motivation in participating in the newsgroups is to silence
opposing, conservative, voices. In his own words, Hanson believes that "the
victory of conservativeism [sic] will not spell the end of liberalism so
much as it will sound the death knell for democracy itself." [Message-ID:
3j55br$j...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com]
As has been noted many times in many places, "all's fair in love and war."
Since Hanson's motivation comes not from love [there is a series of posts of
his in alt.support.depression that show that Hanson has fought depression
and self-loathing for decades] his actions must viewed in context of making
war upon the right.
To that end, Hanson has adopted the same tactic used in the 20th Century by
the totalitarian dictatorships of both Fascism and Communism. This tactic
is called the "Big Lie." It is an old, but sometime effective tactic.
"Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and
degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them
as fascist, or Nazi or anti-Semitic .... The association will, after enough
repetition, become "fact" in the public mind."
--Communist Party, Moscow Central Committee 1943
So, by opening every response to an opponent with words like: "Bigoted
Stalinist" or "Paid Right Wing Stalinist," Hanson is trying to establish in
the public mind that his opponent is an evil person, who should not be
allowed to speak in this or any other forum.
To use an "unfair" practice from the point of legitimate debate is one
thing. To impose a communication tyranny on the Usenet readership across
many newsgroups is something else. It is "abuse of the first order."
**CAN I KILLFILE HIM?
Yes.
"Killfiling" is a way to automatically ignore him using your newsreader
software. You can certainly ignore him buy skipping over his messages.
However, using a killfile suppresses the existence of his messages so that
you do not see the messages or their headers in the list of messages. The
practical effect is to negate Hanson's effort jam the newsgroups by removing
his "clutter" from your list of messages.
Usenet readers universally provide a feature to "kill file" or "block"
certain posters. The "killfile," twit-filter, etc., is a mechanism to throw
away messages from people or on subjects that you do not care to read.
You may use your killfile to suppress posts of people you don't like, or
from people who are trying to jam the newsgroup and suppress focused
discussion of certain topics.
Or you may do nothing and leave things as they are.
**WHO CAN I COMPLAIN TO ABOUT GREY?
Should you wish to complain, you may contact the following:
Your Usenet administrator at your ISP. A number of Usenet administrators
are starting to complain to the news server company that Grey/Hanson uses
(newshosting.com) about this issue. The real issue is violation of the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. While the Act provides a "safe
harbor" for companies who do not know that copyrighted material is being
stored or served from their computers, the Act requires that once notified
of a copyright violation, the company must act to remove the offending
material and deal with the offender to prevent future occurrences. As more
and more administrators receive complaints about Grey/Hanson forcing illegal
documents on THEIR servers, they can no longer rely upon "safe harbor" via
ignorance. Complaining to your ISP may ultimately convince his news server
hosting company (newshosting.com) to discipline their customer, Richard
Hanson, AKA Gandalf Grey.
Complain directly to his news server hosting company by writing to
ab...@newshosting.com. Be advised that newshosting.com provides the
standard "lip service" towards compliance with the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act of 1998, but has not seen fit to act against Hanson.
Complain to his ISP, which is Earthlink at ab...@earthlink.net. Just
because Earthlink's new server is not being used by Hanson/Grey to post
these illegal articles, their network is being used to transmit them.
Notify the copyright owner of the articles about Hanson/Grey's illegal use
of their copyrighted material.
**WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
The author possesses copyrights for published articles. He wishes to insure
that the copyright system that the Founding Fathers established in the
Constitution does not collapse in the Internet Age. If a person who makes
his living through the "pen" is denied the ability to receive compensation
for his efforts, then free expression of ideas, the communication of ideas
and news, and the untold hours of entertainment that people spend in reading
books, will end, because nobody will bother to write anymore. Society -
indeed civilization itself - will be seriously harmed if copyright pirates
like "Gandalf Grey" are allowed to continue diluting the intellectual work
product of authors and news outlets into the public domain.
The fact that people like Hanson have spawned many imitators does not
diminish in any way his personal responsibility for violating the rights of
authors and news outlets.
This author believes that he should be called to account, both for his
copyright violations, and his continuing, personal, abuse of Usenet.
---
This article was the result of hours of research using Usenet archives of
Google and other public sources. The author thanks Google, Inc., of
Mountain View, CA for making the Usenet archives available to anyone at no
cost.
The author appreciates any comments, updates, or responses, and presumes
permission to include any new discovered salient facts that you provide in
any further update, unless you specifically prohibit it. Thanks for your
cooperation.
Thank you for reading this article.
-----
The author who uses the pseudonym "George of the Jungle" hereby places this
article in the public domain. The author assumes no responsibility for
further dissemination in this or any other medium.
--
"I have often regretted my speech, never my silence."
Publius Syrus. (42 B.C.), Maxim 1070.
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wayne mann
wrote:
>
>Hanson began posting political messages on or about March 2, 1995 using
>"rha...@ix.netcom.com(Hanson)." An early article establishes his liberal
>credentials and his point of view:
Here are just a few of the names and addresses he has posted
under, and I'm sure there are others.
Richard Hanson of Hillsboro, Oregon,
Richard Hanson (rha...@ix.netcom.com)
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com>
RH <are...@ix.netcom.com>
gandal...@hotmail.com
R_[are...@ix.netcom.com]
RH, The Shadow, Hanson Richard
r...@ix.netcom.com
gandal...@hotmail.com
ganda...@infectedmail.com
ta2...@worldnet.att.net (MH__)
\\/ayne //\ann
wayne mann
wrote:
>
>In other words, Gandalf Grey (Richard Hanson) openly admitted that he is
>deliberately jamming this newsgroup, using massive cross posting, copyright
>infringement, ad-hominem attacks, personal slander, mail-bombing, and other
>tactics.
>
>With an admission of his intentions, the case against him as being a Usenet
>abuser is proved.
And he is a member of a Yahoo group that is like minded where
they brag to each other how they are ruining these newsgroups and how
they can do as much damage as possible. They trade ideas and
congratulate each other for doing their underhanded schemes.
\\/ayne //\ann
Gandalf Grey
"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>
> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one ISP
for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the thought
that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
Below are a few examples of the "slander" that George likes to accuse others
of.
"Shut up, Stalin."
--George of the Jungle.
"I intend
to be in your face and on your ass until you slink back to your
quiche-eating, leftist circle-jerk. "
--George of the Jungle
"Note to conservatives and Republicans lurking here: Liberals like Barwell
are insane. Liberalism is a form of rabies, that destroyes critical
thinking and lets the Id run rampant."
--George of the Jungle
"You certainly know all about eating monkey shit, Jew Hater. How's it
taste?"
--George of the Jungle
"Texas is a RED state, you liberal piece of fucking shit. You aren't wanted
there....."
--George of the Jungle
"Well, cocksucker. Feel free to try. Anytime you think you're man enough,
llittle girl."
--George of the Jungle
"You certainly know what right-wing shit tastes like because you eat shit
from us every day. And you like it.
--George of the Jungle
"Go back to working the "gloryhole," Boy-toy."
--George of the Jungle
"Go back to swapping spit with "Gandalf" in the shower, toad. You make such
a cute couple."
--George of the Jungle
"Now run along and find some pig to blow."
--George of the Jungle
"Enjoy your grape Kool-aid, you Jew hating spamming asshole."
--George of the Jungle
"Famous Jew hating asshole and cocksucking leftist pig "Gandalf Grey""
--George of the Jungle
"You and Billy B. can swap spit in the shower all you want, Boy-toy."
--George of the Jungle
"Eat more shit Barwell, YOU like it!"
--George of the Jungle
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/ /_______
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| | | | |
\ /
\ /
---George of the Jungle
"Take it up with your cocksucking pal, "Gandalf Grey," jagoff. He posts
"anonymously," too."
--George of the Jungle
James Monroe
<ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
>news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
>
>> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>>
>> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
>
>The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one ISP
>for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the thought
>that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
It seems that George, as well as "Stupendous Man" and "King
Pineapple", the biggest far right wing wacko's ever to post to usenet,
have crawled back in their hole to hide.
You can hardly blame them. With the current course of this
administration, even they can't lie and spin fast enough. Besides, for
the time being, they don't have Limpballs to tell them what to think.
Gandalf Grey
"James Monroe" <nos...@lessspam.net> wrote in message
news:597bqvce80nka98nv...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:35:06 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
> >news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
> >
> >> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
> >>
> >> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
> >
> >The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one
ISP
> >for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the
thought
> >that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
>
>
> It seems that George, as well as "Stupendous Man" and "King
> Pineapple", the biggest far right wing wacko's ever to post to usenet,
> have crawled back in their hole to hide.
>
> You can hardly blame them. With the current course of this
> administration, even they can't lie and spin fast enough. Besides, for
> the time being, they don't have Limpballs to tell them what to think.
Well, George of the Jungle is still posting as "Publius" and "George" after
a typical right wing nymshift. Not being able to defend the Bush Regime,
types like George have reverted to what they really do best, attempts at
character assassination and harassment.
It's really pretty predictable with types like this. Notice, even Wayne
Mann only shows up to participate in George's attack at character
assassination.
fair_and_balanced_hyco-limbaugh_fart_detector
wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:35:06 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
><ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
>>news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
>>
>>> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>>>
>>> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
>>
>>The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one ISP
>>for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the thought
>>that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
>
>
>It seems that George, as well as "Stupendous Man" and "King
>Pineapple", the biggest far right wing wacko's ever to post to usenet,
>have crawled back in their hole to hide.
>
the repeating AWOL posts seems to have made them disappear...and it
made Dana change his name
Gandalf Grey
<Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector> wrote in message
news:3fa5b603....@news.supernews.com...
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:13:58 GMT, James Monroe <nos...@lessspam.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:35:06 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> ><ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
> >>news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
> >>
> >>> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
> >>>
> >>> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
> >>
> >>The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one
ISP
> >>for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the
thought
> >>that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
> >
> >
> >It seems that George, as well as "Stupendous Man" and "King
> >Pineapple", the biggest far right wing wacko's ever to post to usenet,
> >have crawled back in their hole to hide.
> >
>
>
> the repeating AWOL posts seems to have made them disappear...and it
> made Dana change his name
What's Dana calling himself these days? My guess would be "Billary." The
stupidity quotient is about right.
George Grapman
Gandalf Grey wrote:
> >
> >
> > the repeating AWOL posts seems to have made them disappear...and it
> > made Dana change his name
>
> What's Dana calling himself these days? My guess would be "Billary." The
> stupidity quotient is about right.
Don't forget ch...@adelphia.net
--
To reply via e-mail please delete one l from pacbelll
Gandalf Grey
"George Grapman" <sfge...@pacbelll.net> wrote in message
news:3FA5CC49...@pacbelll.net...
>
>
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > the repeating AWOL posts seems to have made them disappear...and it
> > > made Dana change his name
> >
> > What's Dana calling himself these days? My guess would be "Billary."
The
> > stupidity quotient is about right.
>
> Don't forget ch...@adelphia.net
What's the nym?
I don't recognize that at all. Although I only read in the Whitewater
group, so that may be the reason.
George Grapman
Gandalf Grey wrote:
> The
> > > stupidity quotient is about right.
> >
> > Don't forget ch...@adelphia.net
>
> What's the nym?
>
> I don't recognize that at all. Although I only read in the Whitewater
> group, so that may be the reason.
Some child from adelphia.net. He changes his name every few weeks but it is
usually something like outofworkdavis or gorelost followed by a phony domain
which always goes back to adelphia. Among other things he claimed that God
killed Wellstone because he did not abide by term limits and that Clinton vetoed
term limits. Maybe stupendous got the claim that Clinton a vetoed the balanced
budget amendment from him.
Stupendous still gets the all-time award for saying that libel laws prevented
him from giving details of his claim that unions forced GM to rehire convicted
murderers.
Vying for the the annual stupendous award is Moffitt who, after he is asked to
back up his claims posts links that do not relate to the claim, claims that he
already posted proof, accuses his questioners of being in denial and then
declares victory.Also running close is billary who said that the major U.S.
papers have 4.5 job listing. Asked to back up his claim he posted links to non
newspaper web site including one that had Nova Scotia jobs.
Gandalf Grey
God, that's funny! These morons just keep getting dumber every day.
zepp
<ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>
><Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector> wrote in message
>news:3fa5b603....@news.supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:13:58 GMT, James Monroe <nos...@lessspam.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:35:06 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
>> ><ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
>> >>news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
>> >>
>> >>> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>> >>>
>> >>> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
>> >>
>> >>The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one
>ISP
>> >>for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the
>thought
>> >>that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
>> >
>> >
>> >It seems that George, as well as "Stupendous Man" and "King
>> >Pineapple", the biggest far right wing wacko's ever to post to usenet,
>> >have crawled back in their hole to hide.
>> >
>>
>>
>> the repeating AWOL posts seems to have made them disappear...and it
>> made Dana change his name
>
>What's Dana calling himself these days? My guess would be "Billary." The
>stupidity quotient is about right.
He's going by "dpr" and the rest of us just thing of that as "Little
Dipper"
-
"...too many whites are getting away with drug use."
-- Rush Limbaugh, on his short lived TV show
October 5, 1995
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
Gandalf Grey
"zepp" <zeppn...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:v35eqvkkn71g2ng5h...@4ax.com...
Heh heh heh. With that and his sex ads, you end up with an interesting
profile.
RCMan
> <Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector> wrote in message
> news:3fa5b603....@news.supernews.com...
> > On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:13:58 GMT, James Monroe <nos...@lessspam.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:35:06 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
> > ><ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>"Publius" <tr...@federalist.papers> wrote in message
> > >>news:3fa49...@127.0.0.1...
> > >>
> > >>> **WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
> > >>>
> > >>> The author possesses copyrights for published articles.
> > >>
> > >>The author [George of the Jungle] who's already been kicked off of one
> ISP
> > >>for his actions, is a loud, foul-mouthed fascist who can't stand the
> thought
> > >>that anyone on the groups is posting progressive articles.
> > >
> > >
> > >It seems that George, as well as "Stupendous Man" and "King
> > >Pineapple", the biggest far right wing wacko's ever to post to usenet,
> > >have crawled back in their hole to hide.
> > >
> >
> >
> > the repeating AWOL posts seems to have made them disappear...and it
> > made Dana change his name
>
> What's Dana calling himself these days? My guess would be "Billary." The
> stupidity quotient is about right.
We KNOW what you're calling yourself these days.
And here, for our further enlightenment, is the FULL FAQ referred to in the header.
Have fun reading it, Ricki!
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>
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> is a major abuser of the
Usenet system.
>
Grey illegally reposts some 8000 copyrighted print/web articles per year
into at least 8 political newsgroups. On an annual basis, Grey dumps over
80 megabytes of copyrighted traffic into Usenet. Through these actions,
Grey is attempting to drown opposing voices by "jamming" the newsgroups with
a massive amount of illegally reprinted copyrighted material that supports
his political views.
>
It is this behavior, and ONLY this behavior, that qualifies Grey for
notoriety. His other posts, and the content of his copyright violations is
irrelevant to this FAQ, which is devoted to his behavior and not his
With this declaration, Hanson begins a campaign to counter what he perceives
deliberately jammed by people opposed to discussing Whitewater in public.
These people are perceived to be Clinton supporters anxious to "spin" the
issue in favor of Bill Clinton.
>
The act of "jamming" alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater is an attempt to
stifle debate. That in itself, is abuse.
>
**WHEN DID GREY START APPROPRIATING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL FOR HIS OWN USE?
>
Hanson started republishing copyrighted material without permission in 1996.
This was noted (and complained about) at that time.
>
Poster '"John Q. Public" <j...@globaldialog.com>:" in Message-ID:
<318606...@globaldialog.com>#1/1 posted this complaint:
>
Quote:
Hanson:
This is the crap he's referring to.
Let's get back on topic, which is your efforts to disrupt
The whitewater ng. You're not playing nice, Hanson."
>
"John Q.Public" was referring to Hanson completely republishing an entire
copyrighted article (that he already republished) in response to a poster
complaining about it. This is one behavior that Hanson continues to use
today. That is a clear attempt to "shout down" opposition to his tactics.
Such attempts to stifle such criticism of his behavior is abusive.
>
While, Hanson wasn't the only such poster, an analysis of archival data from
to 8, the number of number of annual copyrighted articles is up to 8000, and
the average number of copyrighted megabytes per annum is 80 megabytes.
>
**IS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR SINCE THEN?
>
Not really. Hanson used back then, and continues to use such tactics today
With the exception of "mail bombing," Hanson continues to use such tactics
under his current handle: Gandalf Grey <ganda...@infectedmail.com>
>
**WHY IS HE DOING THIS?
>
All of the above points to one inescapable conclusion: Richard Hanson is
running a one-man agitprop campaign intended to silence or dilute the
message of people he considers "ratbastards" and "sheep."
>
In fact, with respect to alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, he even
admits to it:
>
Richard Hanson writes, quote:
Yeah, yeah...right, schmuck. Just like the last time you were going
to "retire." It's been a real hoot watching you and your alter ego,
Wayne declare you're leaving time and again only to see you post your
vomit again in a few days or even hours.
>
Just checked my butt, RatGirl. Not even a bruise.
>
I guess that's because I've been kicking YOUR Right Wing rear ever
since you began to post your replies.
>
Oh, well... It hardly matters. Your newsgroup's deader than a
wrapped mackerel. The majority of the posters are wrapped up in
replying to myself and the loyal progressives that post here leaving
you and your bizarre twit friends without the time to spew your usual
hate rhetoric.
>
All in all, it's very satisfying.
>
Ta, ta. Loonette.
>
I woof last. You can depend on it.
>
RH
Endquote
[Message-ID: <31db689b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>#1/1]
>
As Gandalf Grey (Richard Hanson) admits that he is deliberately jamming
this newsgroup, using massive cross posting, copyright infringement,
ad-hominem attacks, mail-bombing, and other tactics.
The information about Richard Hanson comes from online sources and the
using an Earthlink dialup server there.
>
The important thing about this self-bio is to note: 1) He is the author of
books and ought to know something about copyrights, and 2), he is using the
The fact that he is using such illegal is unconscionable for anyone who
claims to be an author. To say it is hypocritical to expect protection for
his own works, while abusing the protection of others whose works he
appropriates is an understatement.
He, of all people, knows how hard it is to write, how hard it is to become
published, and how much of themselves authors pour into their work - yet HE
willingly violates the rights of other authors in order to silence
ideological opponents.
>
Such behavior goes beyond "bad" behavior, especially in the age of the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. Such behavior becomes a criminal
enterprise.
>
The technical result of Hanson's tactic of "jamming" the newsgroups is to
drown out other posters, especially posters who do not share his ideology.
people volunteer to store and swap music MP3's amongst themselves, Richard
**WHY DOES HE DO THIS?
>
You must understand why Hanson is posting in Usenet. Hanson is here to
confront what he perceives to be "conservative obscenity" being posted on
allowed to speak in this forum.
>
To use an "unfair" practice from the point of legitimate debate is one
thing. To impose a communication tyranny on the Usenet readership across
many newsgroups is something else. It is "abuse of the first order."
>
**CAN I KILLFILE HIM?
>
Yes.
>
"Killfiling" is a way to automatically ignore him using your newsreader
software. You can certainly ignore him buy skipping over his messages.
However, using a killfile suppresses the existence of his messages so that
you do not see the messages or their headers in the list of messages. The
practical effect is to negate Hanson's effort jam the newsgroups by
removing
his "clutter" from your list of messages.
>
Usenet readers universally provide a feature to "kill file" or "block"
certain posters. The "killfile," twit-filter, etc., is a mechanism to
throw
away messages from people or on subjects that you do not care to read.
>
You may use your killfile to suppress posts of people you don't like, or
from people who are trying to jam the newsgroup and suppress focused
discussion of certain topics.
>
Or you may do nothing and leave things as they are.
>
**WHO CAN I COMPLAIN TO ABOUT GREY?
>
Should you wish to complain, you may contact the following:
>
1. Your Usenet administrator at your ISP. A number of Usenet
administrators
are starting to complain to the news server company that Grey/Hanson uses
(newshosting.com) about this issue. The real issue is violation of the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. While the Act provides a "safe
harbor" for companies who do not know that copyrighted material is being
stored or served from their computers, the Act requires that once notified
of a copyright violation, the company must act to remove the offending
material and deal with the offender to prevent future occurrences. As
more
and more administrators receive complaints about Grey/Hanson forcing
illegal
documents on THEIR servers, they can no longer rely upon "safe harbor" via
ignorance. Complaining to your ISP may ultimately convince his news
server
hosting company (newshosting.com) to discipline their customer, Richard
Hanson, AKA Gandalf Grey.
>
>
2. Complain directly to his news server hosting company by writing to
ab...@newshosting.com.
>
>
3. Complain to his ISP, which is Earthlink at ab...@earthlink.net. Just
because Earthlink's new server is not being used by Hanson/Grey to post
these illegal articles, their network is being used to transmit them.
>
>
4. Notify the copyright owner of the articles about Hanson/Grey's illegal
use of their copyrighted material.
>
**WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>