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May 21, 2013, 10:40:37 AM5/21/13
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Stephen Pizzo
Raconteur-at-Large
Pizzo
http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
There Will Be Blood
One of the first, and most important, things I learned when I started
covering Washington many years ago was that there was not one, but two
Washington's. There was the elected Washington, and unelected Washington.
One was temporary, the other permanent.
The next thing I learned was almost as important. It was that, if I
wanted to make friends or useful alliances, not to waste my charms on
elected officials, but rather to focus on the permanent government,
federal employees. Because they were there for good. They didn't face
voters ever two or four or six years. (One permanent senate staffer used
to refer to US Senators as "rent-a-cars.")
I remember sitting over lunch with a grizzled old veteran lobbyist one
day as he explained how things worked in DC.
"Say, for example, a freshly confirmed cabinet member arrives on the job
for his or her first week," he said, taking another sip of a cold beer.
"They learn very quickly that their permanent staff understands how every
works, where everything is, who can get what done - none of which the
political appointee knows. Over the next few weeks it's made clear ti the
new boss that life in high office in DC comes in two flavors; hard or
easy. Leave the daily doings to the permanent staff and the appointee is
free to go off on junkets,make speeches around the country or world,and
generally enjoy being a big shot.
But, should an appointee decide they intend to actually want to run the
show, then suddenly they find everyone is just standing around waiting
for them to make decisions on every little thing, and every big thing,
and everything in between. Suddenly no one seems to know how to get
things done, waiting for the appointee, who knows shit about anything, to
tell them how to get it done. That's the hard variety."
And so I came learn it was so... ever so. Now don't get me wrong. I'm in
no way dissing the army of federal employees who march to work every day
in Washington and across the nation and across the globe, doing their
jobs. Like employees in the private sector most of them want is to just
be allowed to do their job with the minimum of nonsense and unnecessary
management la-de-da. And when your boss is a political appointee, those
concerns come in many ways private sector employees can't even imagine.
Anyway, I've been watching these three exploding "scandals," the Obama
and his political appointees have gotten themselves into. And I have been
watching the other side, the Republicans, stirring it for all it's worth.
And, frankly, I have no sympathy for either.
On one side we have Obama who, from healthcare to Gitmo to damn-near
everything else, wants to govern by words rather than deeds. His motto
might well be; "Say it and they will come." If Gen. George Patton had
waged war words like Obama wages governance, we'd all be wearing
lederhosen.
Meanwhile permanent Washington, all those federal employees, have spent
the the last four years being insulted by Tea Party Republicans, who
blame everything, real and imagined, that goes wrong on the "out of
control federal bureaucracy." So, should we be surprised now that a
handful of government of those federal bureaucrats at an IRS office in
the American heartland decided to get even?
While Congress pretends to be "shocked and amazed" that an acting IRS
commissioner knew nothing about all that, I'm not. After all, this guy
was temp to begin with. And he got the message early on about that whole
deal of deciding whether he wanted "a hard time while in office, or an
easy one." He chose the easy route and kept his nose out of agency
business.
Now, to the Department of Justice... an agency that has been a rat's nest
of internal unrest and intrigue since I started covering the place way
back in the 1980s.
At the DOJ it's even worse than the IRS. At DOJ not only is there
dissension between political appointees and permanent staff, but between
political appointees and political appointees and permanent staff and
permanent staff. The DOJ is nearly dysfunctional... has been for decades.
I could write volumes on that subject alone. From Watergate to Iran/
Contra to the S&L scandal, to the latest Wall Street heists, the DOJ has
been the last to know and, when they found out, they did the minimum, or
less. The DOJ can't even install a functional networked computer system
that works, much less do fulfill it's constitutional obligations.
All that becomes more than a bit embarrassing for the political
appointees at DOJ when it surfaces in the press. Which is why they are
extra sensitive to the inquiring minds of the DC press corps. It's bad
enough when the occasional reporter actually stumbles onto a hot story.
But when an insider leaks to a reporter DOJ appointees act like Mafia
Dons when someone breaks the oath of omerta; they put out a contract on
the leaker. The leakers, in cases like this, can come from either of the
two DC classes, permanent or appointed. Palace intrigue thrives within
both communities, and on really good days, they find common ground, and
all hell breaks loose.
So there you have the fertile compost pile from which the tapping of AP
reporter's phones and emails sprang. That's how it happened, why it
happened and how it became known it happened. The long knives are out,
and there will be blood.
Finally we come to Benghazi. Talk about a mess waiting to happen. Talk
about scandal ripe for prime time. A political appointee with a last name
that inflames the right at it's mere mention; Clinton. A Secretary of
State hankering to run for President the next time around; Hillary
Clinton. A worldwide embassy structure staffed by permanent and
appointees - embassies in hostile territories that have had their
security staff budgets slashed by penny-pinching conservative elected
officials. And finally the inevitable, and largely predictable, happened.
The elected officials circle their wagons, massaging public explanations
so as to absolve themselves of any blame whatsoever, leaving lower level
permanent staff to wonder who exactly is going to be the fall guys, and
suspecting it will be them. So they start talking, filling in the blanks
their appointed bosses left in those memos and talking points.
And there you have Benghazi.
So, who is at fault in all these tempests? I met hundreds of federal
employees over the years and, like any private company employees, they
come in all sizes, colors, flavors, expertise and lack of expertise. Some
of the most dedicated and honorable folks I met in DC were lifelong
federal employees. Frankly, to quote David Letterman, "I wouldn't give
their troubles to a monkey on a rock."
The blame, all of it, every scintilla of it, falls squarely on the
shoulders of elected officials... all of them. The folks who assured us
they could and would do the job, if we just voted them into office. They
said that, unlike their opponents, they could lead, take responsibility,
fix what was broken. This is not a party thing. It's a leadership thing.
And we have found them all lacking. When shit happens they all claim to
be constipated.
If the US Government were a private company heads would roll, starting at
the top. No, I'm not suggesting that Obama be impeached or that he should
resign. None of this rises to that level, despite what hyperbolic
political rhetoric from the right.
But it's time to start firing people, appointees and employees. Instead
of snooping on reporters, they need to clean their own houses. And this
time the cleaning should be thorough and bipartisan and brutal. Because,
if there's anything that focuses the mind of employees and appointees,
nothing works better than fresh bloodstains on the office rug.
As for Obama, well, we're stuck with him for three more years. I remember
counting the days until George W. Bush was out of our hair. Now I'm
counting again.
How sad is that?
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Raconteur-at-Large
Pizzo
http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
There Will Be Blood
One of the first, and most important, things I learned when I started
covering Washington many years ago was that there was not one, but two
Washington's. There was the elected Washington, and unelected Washington.
One was temporary, the other permanent.
The next thing I learned was almost as important. It was that, if I
wanted to make friends or useful alliances, not to waste my charms on
elected officials, but rather to focus on the permanent government,
federal employees. Because they were there for good. They didn't face
voters ever two or four or six years. (One permanent senate staffer used
to refer to US Senators as "rent-a-cars.")
I remember sitting over lunch with a grizzled old veteran lobbyist one
day as he explained how things worked in DC.
"Say, for example, a freshly confirmed cabinet member arrives on the job
for his or her first week," he said, taking another sip of a cold beer.
"They learn very quickly that their permanent staff understands how every
works, where everything is, who can get what done - none of which the
political appointee knows. Over the next few weeks it's made clear ti the
new boss that life in high office in DC comes in two flavors; hard or
easy. Leave the daily doings to the permanent staff and the appointee is
free to go off on junkets,make speeches around the country or world,and
generally enjoy being a big shot.
But, should an appointee decide they intend to actually want to run the
show, then suddenly they find everyone is just standing around waiting
for them to make decisions on every little thing, and every big thing,
and everything in between. Suddenly no one seems to know how to get
things done, waiting for the appointee, who knows shit about anything, to
tell them how to get it done. That's the hard variety."
And so I came learn it was so... ever so. Now don't get me wrong. I'm in
no way dissing the army of federal employees who march to work every day
in Washington and across the nation and across the globe, doing their
jobs. Like employees in the private sector most of them want is to just
be allowed to do their job with the minimum of nonsense and unnecessary
management la-de-da. And when your boss is a political appointee, those
concerns come in many ways private sector employees can't even imagine.
Anyway, I've been watching these three exploding "scandals," the Obama
and his political appointees have gotten themselves into. And I have been
watching the other side, the Republicans, stirring it for all it's worth.
And, frankly, I have no sympathy for either.
On one side we have Obama who, from healthcare to Gitmo to damn-near
everything else, wants to govern by words rather than deeds. His motto
might well be; "Say it and they will come." If Gen. George Patton had
waged war words like Obama wages governance, we'd all be wearing
lederhosen.
Meanwhile permanent Washington, all those federal employees, have spent
the the last four years being insulted by Tea Party Republicans, who
blame everything, real and imagined, that goes wrong on the "out of
control federal bureaucracy." So, should we be surprised now that a
handful of government of those federal bureaucrats at an IRS office in
the American heartland decided to get even?
While Congress pretends to be "shocked and amazed" that an acting IRS
commissioner knew nothing about all that, I'm not. After all, this guy
was temp to begin with. And he got the message early on about that whole
deal of deciding whether he wanted "a hard time while in office, or an
easy one." He chose the easy route and kept his nose out of agency
business.
Now, to the Department of Justice... an agency that has been a rat's nest
of internal unrest and intrigue since I started covering the place way
back in the 1980s.
At the DOJ it's even worse than the IRS. At DOJ not only is there
dissension between political appointees and permanent staff, but between
political appointees and political appointees and permanent staff and
permanent staff. The DOJ is nearly dysfunctional... has been for decades.
I could write volumes on that subject alone. From Watergate to Iran/
Contra to the S&L scandal, to the latest Wall Street heists, the DOJ has
been the last to know and, when they found out, they did the minimum, or
less. The DOJ can't even install a functional networked computer system
that works, much less do fulfill it's constitutional obligations.
All that becomes more than a bit embarrassing for the political
appointees at DOJ when it surfaces in the press. Which is why they are
extra sensitive to the inquiring minds of the DC press corps. It's bad
enough when the occasional reporter actually stumbles onto a hot story.
But when an insider leaks to a reporter DOJ appointees act like Mafia
Dons when someone breaks the oath of omerta; they put out a contract on
the leaker. The leakers, in cases like this, can come from either of the
two DC classes, permanent or appointed. Palace intrigue thrives within
both communities, and on really good days, they find common ground, and
all hell breaks loose.
So there you have the fertile compost pile from which the tapping of AP
reporter's phones and emails sprang. That's how it happened, why it
happened and how it became known it happened. The long knives are out,
and there will be blood.
Finally we come to Benghazi. Talk about a mess waiting to happen. Talk
about scandal ripe for prime time. A political appointee with a last name
that inflames the right at it's mere mention; Clinton. A Secretary of
State hankering to run for President the next time around; Hillary
Clinton. A worldwide embassy structure staffed by permanent and
appointees - embassies in hostile territories that have had their
security staff budgets slashed by penny-pinching conservative elected
officials. And finally the inevitable, and largely predictable, happened.
The elected officials circle their wagons, massaging public explanations
so as to absolve themselves of any blame whatsoever, leaving lower level
permanent staff to wonder who exactly is going to be the fall guys, and
suspecting it will be them. So they start talking, filling in the blanks
their appointed bosses left in those memos and talking points.
And there you have Benghazi.
So, who is at fault in all these tempests? I met hundreds of federal
employees over the years and, like any private company employees, they
come in all sizes, colors, flavors, expertise and lack of expertise. Some
of the most dedicated and honorable folks I met in DC were lifelong
federal employees. Frankly, to quote David Letterman, "I wouldn't give
their troubles to a monkey on a rock."
The blame, all of it, every scintilla of it, falls squarely on the
shoulders of elected officials... all of them. The folks who assured us
they could and would do the job, if we just voted them into office. They
said that, unlike their opponents, they could lead, take responsibility,
fix what was broken. This is not a party thing. It's a leadership thing.
And we have found them all lacking. When shit happens they all claim to
be constipated.
If the US Government were a private company heads would roll, starting at
the top. No, I'm not suggesting that Obama be impeached or that he should
resign. None of this rises to that level, despite what hyperbolic
political rhetoric from the right.
But it's time to start firing people, appointees and employees. Instead
of snooping on reporters, they need to clean their own houses. And this
time the cleaning should be thorough and bipartisan and brutal. Because,
if there's anything that focuses the mind of employees and appointees,
nothing works better than fresh bloodstains on the office rug.
As for Obama, well, we're stuck with him for three more years. I remember
counting the days until George W. Bush was out of our hair. Now I'm
counting again.
How sad is that?
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Steve
May 21, 2013, 11:00:55 AM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>Stephen Pizzo
>Raconteur-at-Large
>Pizzo
>http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>
>There Will Be Blood
<LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>Stephen Pizzo
>Raconteur-at-Large
>Pizzo
>http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>
>There Will Be Blood
Mr. B1ack
May 21, 2013, 11:22:32 AM5/21/13
to
>Stephen Pizzo
>Raconteur-at-Large
>Pizzo
>http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>
>There Will Be Blood
>
>One of the first, and most important, things I learned when I started
>covering Washington many years ago was that there was not one, but two
>Washington's. There was the elected Washington, and unelected Washington.
>One was temporary, the other permanent.
>
>The next thing I learned was almost as important. It was that, if I
>wanted to make friends or useful alliances, not to waste my charms on
>elected officials, but rather to focus on the permanent government,
>federal employees. Because they were there for good. They didn't face
>voters ever two or four or six years. (One permanent senate staffer used
>to refer to US Senators as "rent-a-cars.")
Actually there are THREE governments. There's the
>Raconteur-at-Large
>Pizzo
>http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>
>There Will Be Blood
>
>One of the first, and most important, things I learned when I started
>covering Washington many years ago was that there was not one, but two
>Washington's. There was the elected Washington, and unelected Washington.
>One was temporary, the other permanent.
>
>The next thing I learned was almost as important. It was that, if I
>wanted to make friends or useful alliances, not to waste my charms on
>elected officials, but rather to focus on the permanent government,
>federal employees. Because they were there for good. They didn't face
>voters ever two or four or six years. (One permanent senate staffer used
>to refer to US Senators as "rent-a-cars.")
rent-a-cars who claim to be running things, the
vast BUREAUCRACY which actually takes care of
the daily business ... and then the International Big-
Money Interests" who decide what the daily business
is gonna be.
Machiavelli explained all this centuries ago - and
the only thing that's changed is that the entire
scam has become more sophisticated.
Zepp
May 21, 2013, 11:40:15 AM5/21/13
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Zepp
May 21, 2013, 11:58:03 AM5/21/13
to
Steve
May 21, 2013, 12:48:29 PM5/21/13
to
her dump you back in 2002?
Message has been deleted
Zepp
May 22, 2013, 4:19:55 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>> wrote: >>
>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>> > > >
>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>> >>
>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>> >
>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>
>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that made
>> her dump you back in 2002?
Ah, back to stalking, are you?
> Steve wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>> wrote: >>
>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>> > > >
>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>> >>
>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>> >
>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>
>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that made
>> her dump you back in 2002?
Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- Steve has your number, David.
>
> He's had it for a long, long time.
>
> It's funny to watch. lol
Steve
May 22, 2013, 6:39:05 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>>> wrote: >>
>>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>>> >>
>>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>> >
>>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>
>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that made
>>> her dump you back in 2002?
>
>Ah, back to stalking, are you?
Here's a clue, Porks.. if you don't want your private life splattered
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>>> wrote: >>
>>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>>> >>
>>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>> >
>>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>
>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that made
>>> her dump you back in 2002?
>
>Ah, back to stalking, are you?
on Usenet, you should maybe keep your private life off Usenet?
>Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
nasty...
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- Steve has your number, David.
>>
>> He's had it for a long, long time.
>>
>> It's funny to watch. lol
"Hope to be back online at the new address in at most two weeks.
"Sorry I vanished like that -- this year has been a troublesome one.
But
things seem to be improving now. Looking forward to rejoing y'all
Real
Soon Now!!"
"Greywolf, alive and promising to return "
Greywolf the Wanderer Oct 1 2002, 7:55 am
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.startrek.creative.erotica.moderated/msg/8bda37c3d3c22221?hl=en
Zepp
May 22, 2013, 8:03:26 PM5/22/13
to
On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:39:05 -0400, Steve wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
>>
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>>>> wrote: >>
>>>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>> >
>>>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>
>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that
>>>> made her dump you back in 2002?
>>
>>Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>
> Here's a clue, Porks.. if you don't want your private life splattered
> on Usenet, you should maybe keep your private life off Usenet?
Did I ask you to spend money digging up all the personal info you could
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
>>
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>>>> wrote: >>
>>>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>> >
>>>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>
>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that
>>>> made her dump you back in 2002?
>>
>>Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>
> Here's a clue, Porks.. if you don't want your private life splattered
> on Usenet, you should maybe keep your private life off Usenet?
on me?
I realize you're a pathetic, bullying coward, but is that really the best
you can do, you cowardly piece of shit?
Steve
May 22, 2013, 9:11:54 PM5/22/13
to
On Thu, 23 May 2013 00:03:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:39:05 -0400, Steve wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that
>>>>> made her dump you back in 2002?
>>>
>>>Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>>
>> Here's a clue, Porks.. if you don't want your private life splattered
>> on Usenet, you should maybe keep your private life off Usenet?
>
>Did I ask you to spend money digging up all the personal info you could
>on me?
Sorry, I never spent a dime on you, Porks, or anyone else.. You are
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:39:05 -0400, Steve wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, BeeSting Alergy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, Steve wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>> > > > Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>> > > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > There Will Be Blood
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that
>>>>> made her dump you back in 2002?
>>>
>>>Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>>
>> Here's a clue, Porks.. if you don't want your private life splattered
>> on Usenet, you should maybe keep your private life off Usenet?
>
>Did I ask you to spend money digging up all the personal info you could
>on me?
totally free entertainment.
>I realize you're a pathetic, bullying coward, but is that really the best
>you can do, you cowardly piece of shit?
but he whines like a baby when his stupidity and failures show up.
So tell me, Zepp, you still believe that corporate reserves cash
represents monies taken out of circulation or have I educated your
dumb ass on that?
Man of Mind
May 22, 2013, 11:50:26 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 3:19 PM, Zepp wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, Bestung Allegory whined:
>>
>> "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whimpered for attention:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whined:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp quoted from:
and rather desperately..
--
"The Republicans are the party that says
government doesn't work and then they get
elected and prove it." --P. J. O'Rourke
>
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, Bestung Allegory whined:
>>
>> "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whimpered for attention:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whined:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp quoted from:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>>> http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There Will Be Blood
>>>>>
>>>>> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>
>>>> Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>
>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do
>>> to PJ that made her dump you back in 2002?
>
> Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>
> Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
Apparently, "steve" wants to tell us something about himself,
>>>>>> Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>>> http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There Will Be Blood
>>>>>
>>>>> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>
>>>> Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>
>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do
>>> to PJ that made her dump you back in 2002?
>
> Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>
> Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
and rather desperately..
--
"The Republicans are the party that says
government doesn't work and then they get
elected and prove it." --P. J. O'Rourke
Zepp
May 23, 2013, 1:57:48 AM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:50:26 -0500, Man of Mind wrote:
> On 5/22/2013 3:19 PM, Zepp wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, Bestung Allegory whined:
>>>
>>> "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whimpered for attention:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, "steve"
>>>>> <senile...@yahoo.com> whined:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp quoted from:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>>>> http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There Will Be Blood
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>>
>>>>> Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>
>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that
>>>> made her dump you back in 2002?
>>
>> Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>>
>> Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
>
> Apparently, "steve" wants to tell us something about himself,
> and rather desperately..
He's told us so many self-aggrandizing fairy tales about himself. We all
> On 5/22/2013 3:19 PM, Zepp wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, Bestung Allegory whined:
>>>
>>> "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whimpered for attention:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, "steve"
>>>>> <senile...@yahoo.com> whined:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp quoted from:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>>>> http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There Will Be Blood
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>>
>>>>> Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>
>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do to PJ that
>>>> made her dump you back in 2002?
>>
>> Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>>
>> Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
>
> Apparently, "steve" wants to tell us something about himself,
> and rather desperately..
know he's got a wooden leg, a glass eye and a chiseled chin. I once
suggested he lost the eye while he was getting the chin chiseled, but
sadly, he was unamused. Personally, I thought it was hilarious.
Steve
May 23, 2013, 6:48:26 AM5/23/13
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Steve
May 23, 2013, 6:48:26 AM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:50:26 -0500, Man of Mind
<baron.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 5/22/2013 3:19 PM, Zepp wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, Bestung Allegory whined:
>>>
>>> "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whimpered for attention:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whined:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp quoted from:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>>>> http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There Will Be Blood
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>>
>>>>> Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>
>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do
>>>> to PJ that made her dump you back in 2002?
>>
>> Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>>
>> Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
>
>Apparently, "steve" wants to tell us something about himself,
>and rather desperately..
Transcript of Kurt Lochner Harrington admitting to being an alcoholic and a
>On 5/22/2013 3:19 PM, Zepp wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:49:07 +0000, Bestung Allegory whined:
>>>
>>> "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whimpered for attention:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:00:55 -0400, "steve" <senile...@yahoo.com> whined:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC), Zepp quoted from:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen Pizzo Raconteur-at-Large Pizzo
>>>>>>> http://www.stephen.pizzo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There Will Be Blood
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> @ Leftist propaganda
>>>>>
>>>>> Run away, Stevie! It's what you do best!
>>>>
>>>> I'm right here, Porks, and by the way, what did you do
>>>> to PJ that made her dump you back in 2002?
>>
>> Ah, back to stalking, are you?
>>
>> Well, I'm back to campaigning to have you arrested for it.
>
>Apparently, "steve" wants to tell us something about himself,
>and rather desperately..
dead-beat dad which leads to him being desperate to
manufacture unsupported nonsense (ie, <chuckle>)"something,
anything to attack me personally."
His problem here, of course, is that I have proof
whereas he has nothing.
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:30:55 -0600
Canyon: "did the court let you settle for pennies on the
dollar?"
Lochner "Not that I'm aware of.. Did you have any other
petty remarks? "
Canyon: "did they see that your kids were better off if
you weren't in the picture? "
Lochner "Why don't you go and find out for yourself, cartoon
hero..
Oh, that's right, you can't find anything past that, no
child custody filings, no further hearings on the
settled account and discontinuence.. Poor little
cartoon hero..
You really are looking for something, anything to
attack me personally, with malice aforethought..
That'll be just another in a long series of mistakes
you've made today.."
Canyon: "...say, are you attending those AA meetings regularly?"
Lochner "Sure am, anything else you'd like to desperately try to
attack me personally with, or would you prefer to stop
now before you get into much more trouble?
--Or, do you just have nothing left to lose?"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/7171c5a4bd29de81?hl=en
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Man of Mind
May 25, 2013, 10:00:54 AM5/25/13
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On the other hand, maybe "stevie" is enamored of you and
resents your rejections of his 'advances'..
Zepp
May 25, 2013, 10:13:21 AM5/25/13
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Steve
May 25, 2013, 1:32:22 PM5/25/13
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"With 16% of the precincts reporting, Walker is leading 60-38, but that's
mostly rural red areas reporting first. Turnout was immense in Madison
and the Twin-Cities, 20% higher than in 2010. "
--David (Zepp) Jamieson thinking the "twin cities" is in Wisconsin
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.democrats/msg/922b86cffefab955?hl=en&dmode=source
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