> > > > > President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax > > > > > increases
> > > > > on
> > > > > affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end
> > > > > fiscal
> > > > > crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
> > > > > Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the
> > > > > rich.
> > > > He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax > > > > increases,
> > > > he
> > > > is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go > > > > along
> > > > with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
> > > > Republican Senators to end the debate.
> > > > Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
> > > > going to have to learn how to compromise.
> > > > BTW, the other "compromise" would be to allow the tax cuts to expire
> > > > on December 31, as designed, and then come in on January 3, with the
> > > > new Congress and reinstate them for all but those making $250,000.
> > > > I think it's despicable that ALL Republicans in Congress show more
> > > > allegiance to Grover Norquist than to their own country and its debt
> > > > situation. I can't believe you're okay with that.
> > > Raising taxes will further slow economic growth, job creation and
> > > revenues.
> > > If republicans wanted to fuck you they'd just sit back and let you > > > have
> > > your
> > > way, but since they put country first, like they did during the > > > nineties
> > > with Reaganomics
> > > When Reagan raised taxes multiple times during and after his
> > > recession. Ha-ha-ha-ha... boy, you're real stupid, Eddie.
> > "Well first of all he's right. Normally, you don't raise taxes in a
> > recession, which is why we haven't and why we have, instead, cut taxes"
> > Obama told NBC's Chuck Todd when Todd presented a question from a viewer
> > named Scott who asked, "Explain how raising taxes on anyone during a > > deep
> > recession is going to help with the economy any?"
> > Obama then added, "What I have to say to Scott is his economics are > > right.
> > You don't raise taxes in a recession. We haven't raised taxes in a
> > recession....we have not proposed a tax hike for the wealthy that would
> > take
> > effect in the middle of a recession. Even the proposal that have come > > out
> > of
> > Congress, which by the way were different than the proposals I put
> > forward,
> > still wouldn't kick in until after the recession was over. So he's
> > absolutely right. The last thing you want to do is to raise taxes in the
> > middle of a recession."
> > We're not in a recession. It ended back in June 2009.
> I knew that would be your dodge lie.
> Why would you not want to raise them in a recession?
> There is no recession right now so it's a stupid question.
It's a shit economy, but that aside, why would you want to raise taxes in a recession?
> Oh, and btw, GDP growth was higher back in 2010 when Hussein and the
> democrats decided to leave the Bush tax cuts in place.
> The cuts are still in place, but notice how the rates have been weaker
> in the last two years compared to 2010:
Yeah, and after a trillion dollar stimulus and 6 trillion in debt.
Nice admission that the Bush tax cuts on the rich had a positive effect, but the problem now is that you have an anti-capitalist, anti-private sector president in office and until that ends people that invest and get things moving are going to continue to hold on to their asses.
>> > > >>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases
>> > > >>>> on
>> > > >>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end
>> > > >>>> fiscal
>> > > >>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
>> > > >>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the
>> > > >>>> rich.
>> > > >>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax
>> > > >>> increases,
>> > > >>> he
>> > > >>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go
>> > > >>> along
>> > > >>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
>> > > >>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
>> > > >>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
>> > > >>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
>> > > >> I've noticed that the liberals instead of wanting to work to a better
>> > > >> future are still pointing to the past.
>> > > >> Obama's so called mandate he says he has is BS. With a election this
>> > > >> close by voter count I see no mandate.
>> > > > .
>> > > > .
>> > > > Republicans will cave.
>> > > > Obama has nothing to lose.
>> > > > Call him John "Mitt" B hner
>> > > > In two years B hner and Mc Connell must face the voters
>> > > In two years Obama's policies may well have completely trashed the
>> > > economy, and we may be in a full fledged depression. What then? Blame
>> > > Bush?
>> > > Not possible, unless the GOP allows us to go off the fiscal cliff.
>> > > That won't happen.
>> > > Again, why do you seem to be under the impression that all government
>> > > spending just goes into a hole, and has no positive effect on the
>> > > economy? When we build roads, bridges, and even weapons programs, what
>> > > do you imagine happens to that money? Now, imagine all of that
>> > > activity stops. What happens to those people who were making money
>> > > from government contracts? There are fewer of them, which means fewer
>> > > taxpayers.
>> > > You guys keep bitching about Greece. Do you even know WHY the Greek
>> > > economy failed?
>> > > Austerity.
>> > I'm so goddamn sick of listening to your newest stupid DNC talking point.
>> > Start giving a fuck about your country for god's sake.
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>> > I do, fucktard. I'm talking about mimicking the same behavior that
>> > made us the richest country on the planet. It's only been since we
>> > became cheapskates that we're falterng.
>> An industrious, moral people, coupled with a limited government that allowed
>> freedom is what made us a great nation. Everything that the left is doing
>> it's damnedest to destroy.
>That's funny. When we're in charge, the country kicks ass. When
>Republicans are in charge we have a serious recession or depression.
>> Getting us off a phony borrow and spend economy and back on to a self
>> sustaining private economy is going to be like a dope addict going through
>> withdrawals.
>Then why do you support the GOP. Roughly 90% of our current debt came
>from them.
>>That short term pain is what you call failure, but it has to be
>> done or the country will die in the long run. This idea that austerity
>> doesn't work because it causes short term pain is DNC / socialist
>> fuckwittedness at it's finest. Like everything else democrat, it's a fucking
>> lie. And telling the lie trying to make people believe it is like pouring
>> arsenic in the water.
>For years, you supported Bush, Jr.
>You're a hypocrite.
>The only way to balance the budget and pay off the debt is to increase
>revenues. There are two ways to do that; raise taxes or increase the
>number of taxpayers. My method increases the number of taxpayers.
>Apparently, you'd rather raise taxes. Fair enough.
"I am incorporated. But MiltCo (not the actual name of the corporation)
is not me. The corporation is a wholly separate entity from me. The
corporation pays me a salary and I pay taxes on that salary. THE
CORPORATION pays the taxes on the corporation."
--Milt Shook Mar 18 2004,
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/f7a3aebb95...
"And one of the ironies of this entire discussion is that a company
that pays corporate income taxes one year can deduct them as a
business expense the next.
--Milt Shook, Feb 4, 2008 who claims to have been a business consultant and have his own corporation.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/b0151278e69....
"When you're (sic) margin is called, that's a liability, not an asset. If you have an account with $100,000 in it, and you borrow $10,000 to buy with, you only have $100,000 in assets; until you pay the loan, that $10,000 is not an asset; it's a liability. When the margin is called (for shits and giggles, let's say for the full amount of $10,000), there is no way to say that you haven't lost $10,000. In fact, you're actually out $20,000, because you're out the $10,000 for the loan and the $10,000 to call the margin."
-- Milt Shook Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/a39f580c3012e718?...
>>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases on
>>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end fiscal
>>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
>>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the rich.
>>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax increases, he
>>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go along
>>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
>>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
>>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
>>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
>>> BTW, the other "compromise" would be to allow the tax cuts to expire
>>> on December 31, as designed, and then come in on January 3, with the
>>> new Congress and reinstate them for all but those making $250,000.
>>> I think it's despicable that ALL Republicans in Congress show more
>>> allegiance to Grover Norquist than to their own country and its debt
>>> situation. I can't believe you're okay with that.
>> Raising taxes will further slow economic growth, job creation and revenues.
>> If republicans wanted to fuck you they'd just sit back and let you have your
>> way, but since they put country first, like they did during the nineties
>> with Reaganomics
> When Reagan raised taxes multiple times during and after his
> recession. Ha-ha-ha-ha... boy, you're real stupid, Eddie.
In 1988 the average effective Federal tax rate was lower than it was for all but the highest income levels.
> >>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases on
> >>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end fiscal
> >>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
> >>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the rich.
> >>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax increases, he
> >>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go along
> >>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
> >>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
> >>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
> >>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
> >>> BTW, the other "compromise" would be to allow the tax cuts to expire
> >>> on December 31, as designed, and then come in on January 3, with the
> >>> new Congress and reinstate them for all but those making $250,000.
> >>> I think it's despicable that ALL Republicans in Congress show more
> >>> allegiance to Grover Norquist than to their own country and its debt
> >>> situation. I can't believe you're okay with that.
> >> Raising taxes will further slow economic growth, job creation and revenues.
> >> If republicans wanted to fuck you they'd just sit back and let you have your
> >> way, but since they put country first, like they did during the nineties
> >> with Reaganomics
> > When Reagan raised taxes multiple times during and after his
> > recession. Ha-ha-ha-ha... boy, you're real stupid, Eddie.
> In 1988 the average effective Federal tax rate was lower than it was for
> all but the highest income levels.
In 1983 Reagan signed the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of
1982 which more than doubled the tax on gasoline from 4 to 9 cents per
gallon. Keep in mind that a gallon of gas cost around $1.25. While
many Republicans complain about the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), it
was President Reagan that signed the Tax Reform Act of 1986 which
would ensure that more people qualify for this additional tax. In
addition, the tax act of 1983 increased payroll taxes for corporations
further encouraging companies to outsource their workforce.
Acknowledging that Government is in the way of economic prosperity
during his campaign, Reagan proved his point not by solving the
problem but by implanting policies that perpetuated it. As a result
the productive manufacturing base severely declined and left for more
business friendly nations.
>>>> On 11/12/2012 03:55 PM, wy wrote:
.....
>>>>> You still haven't disproved that the money didn't get filtered through
>>>>> the economy and that people and businesses still benefited just the
>>>>> same. Boy, you're getting stupider by the minute.
>>>> You have yet to make a valid case.
>>> Kind of tough to do with Faux News fueled morons that
>>> have no clue what the multiplier effect is.
>> The major difference between us on this,
> Ah, the smell of false dichotomies in the morning..
> "The major difference between us on this"
> You're trying to 'redefine' something as tangible that
> exists only in your imagination, David..
>> you and Wy see the government as an engine of economic growth
> Now, tell us how you would know such a thing, past your
> usual judgmental gain-saying. Take your time on this,
> your answer might give some insight as to what you're thinking,
> rather than just asking for any and all to simply believe..
>> I see the government as an entity which hinders economic growth
> Oh, so regulations that prevent unsafe drinking water, food
> and drugs from reaching you and yours "hinders economic growth"?
> What were we thinking..
>> The government produces nothing, it only take from those who earn
> What do you "produce", sky pilot?
> --Come on, let's hear it..
*>cricket.wav<*
--"How high can you fly? You never touch the sky.."
> --"How high can you fly? You never touch the sky.."
Coo Koo!!!
Kurt, you wouldn't mind if I re-hashed the story about the "Oklahoma
Space Alliance" and your involvement with the gray insect aliens?
===========================================================
Oklahoma Space Alliance News
by Syd Henderson
The December Meeting of Oklahoma Space Alliance will actually be
our annual potluck Christmas Party, December 20 at Tom Koszoru's House
in Norman. The meeting will be at 3:00 p.m., with dinner following
sometime around 4:00 p.m. Prospective members are also welcome.
Tom's house is at 514 Fenwick Court in Norman. Take the Main
Street west exit off I- 35, proceed west past the Sooner Fashion Mall,
and turn right at 36th Street, and go north until you turn right on
Rambling Oaks (about half a mile north of Main Street). Fenwick Court is
the fourth or fifth street on the left. Tom's house is the last on the
left side. (Alternatively take the Robinson Street west exit, turn
south on 36th, left on Rambling Oaks and left on Fenwick Court. I think
there may still be some construction on this route.)
In addition to being a Christmas party, this is the meeting at
which we nominate our officers.
You should be receiving a copy of UPDATE the week before the
meeting with an agenda.
Minutes of October Meeting
Oklahoma Space Alliance met on Saturday, October 18, at the Air
Space Museum at the Kirkpatrick Center in Oklahoma City. Attending were
John Northcutt, Kurt Lochner-Harrington, Claire Stephens and Syd
Henderson. Unfortunately the October UPDATE didn't get out in time for
the meeting, and several of the postcards I mailed out did not arrive in
time, so not everyone got informed in time for the meeting
This meeting was a planning meeting for our party at SoonerCon
12. Syd volunteered (argh) to send for extra copies of the most recent
Ad Astra with the 3-D Mars panorama [sent for but not yet arrived as of
November 16], and to publish a special edition of OUTREACH and prepare
other literature and printouts.
Syd and Claire will also take care of the food (so far, mostly
chips, soda, and candy), although other contributions are welcome. We
will also bring petitions, and bumper stickers and other freebies.
Claire will bring the gravity funnel for the kitty,
I found a downloadable model of the Cassini space probe at the
Cassini web site at the Jet Propulsion Lab
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/model/) and Kurt agreed to construct
it. In addition, Kurt (and possibly Tim) will create flyers. Kurt will
try to construct balloon rockets.
We will also provide paper, crayons, colored pencils, etc., and
invite visitors to design a space colony.
Any attractive pictures we can display around the room are also
welcome.
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My condolensces, I'm just an out of work physicist.
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From: Kurt.Loch...@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 6 Aug 91 16:46:55 GMT
Quote:
Hi Kurt,
To add to some people's idea that the Greys look like
insects, I'm reminded of an article in the most recent
UFO Magazine in which a man describes an encounter
with beings that looked like insects to him.
----------
I 'll be happy to sent you a copy of this article if
you want it.
Hmm, I'm wondering how you'll send it to me, I presume
US Snail-mail so here's the address....
500 S. State #40
Edmond, OK 73034
I got ahold of a copy of Strieber's Majestic and find
most of it to be interesting. I still get the impression
that the Roswell debris was hijacked in mid-air and that
the government officialdom is still quite embarrassed.
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> >>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases > >>>> on
> >>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end > >>>> fiscal
> >>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
> >>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the > >>>> rich.
> >>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax increases, > >>> he
> >>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go along
> >>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
> >>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
> >>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
> >>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
> >>> BTW, the other "compromise" would be to allow the tax cuts to expire
> >>> on December 31, as designed, and then come in on January 3, with the
> >>> new Congress and reinstate them for all but those making $250,000.
> >>> I think it's despicable that ALL Republicans in Congress show more
> >>> allegiance to Grover Norquist than to their own country and its debt
> >>> situation. I can't believe you're okay with that.
> >> Raising taxes will further slow economic growth, job creation and > >> revenues.
> >> If republicans wanted to fuck you they'd just sit back and let you have > >> your
> >> way, but since they put country first, like they did during the > >> nineties
> >> with Reaganomics
> > When Reagan raised taxes multiple times during and after his
> > recession. Ha-ha-ha-ha... boy, you're real stupid, Eddie.
> In 1988 the average effective Federal tax rate was lower than it was for
> all but the highest income levels.
>>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases
> on
>>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end
> fiscal
>>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
>>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the
> rich.
>>>He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax increases,
> he
>>>is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go along
>>>with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
>>>Republican Senators to end the debate.
>>>Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
>>>going to have to learn how to compromise.
>> I've noticed that the liberals instead of wanting to work to a better
>> future are still pointing to the past.
>> Obama's so called mandate he says he has is BS. With a election this
>> close by voter count I see no mandate.
> Er, Obama won by well over 100 electoral votes. Romney essentially won
> the core Red states and that was it. Nobody wanted him, even with a
> black President and a poor economy. This says all you need to know about
> the Republicans.
> And what is the first thing Mr. Boehner says? "We aren't going to
> change." Good move. Two years of horrible things await us, then the
> Republicans will be gone forever. A full Democratic Senate and House,
> everything we want, and no Republicans in office again.
> Then we will see things get done.
You already had that and when you did you ass fucked the country.
>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases on
>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end fiscal
>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the rich.
>> He can insist all hw wishes,
> Nope, your side of the aisle is going to have to quit putting
> your failed ideology above the needs of America..
>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases
> on
>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end
> fiscal
>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the
> rich.
>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax increases,
> he
>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go along
>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
> > >>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end
> > >>>> fiscal
> > >>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
> > >>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the
> > >>>> rich.
> > >>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax increases,
> > >>> he
> > >>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go along
> > >>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
> > >>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
> > >>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
> > >>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
> > >>> BTW, the other "compromise" would be to allow the tax cuts to expire
> > >>> on December 31, as designed, and then come in on January 3, with the
> > >>> new Congress and reinstate them for all but those making $250,000.
> > >>> I think it's despicable that ALL Republicans in Congress show more
> > >>> allegiance to Grover Norquist than to their own country and its debt
> > >>> situation. I can't believe you're okay with that.
> > >> Raising taxes will further slow economic growth, job creation and
> > >> revenues.
> > >> If republicans wanted to fuck you they'd just sit back and let you have
> > >> your
> > >> way, but since they put country first, like they did during the
> > >> nineties
> > >> with Reaganomics
> > > When Reagan raised taxes multiple times during and after his
> > > recession. Ha-ha-ha-ha... boy, you're real stupid, Eddie.
> > In 1988 the average effective Federal tax rate was lower than it was for
> > all but the highest income levels.
> > >>>> President Obama said Friday that he would insist that tax increases
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> affluent Americans be part of any agreement to avoid a year-end
> > >>>> fiscal
> > >>>> crisis, setting up a possible confrontation with Congressional
> > >>>> Republicans who say they will oppose a rise in tax rates for the
> > >>>> rich.
> > >>> He can insist all hw wishes, but in order to get those tax > > >>> increases,
> > >>> he
> > >>> is going to have to convince at least 24 House Republicans to go > > >>> along
> > >>> with such an increase. IN addition, he would have to convince 7
> > >>> Republican Senators to end the debate.
> > >>> Given the current political climate, I predict that the President is
> > >>> going to have to learn how to compromise.
> > >>> BTW, the other "compromise" would be to allow the tax cuts to expire
> > >>> on December 31, as designed, and then come in on January 3, with the
> > >>> new Congress and reinstate them for all but those making $250,000.
> > >>> I think it's despicable that ALL Republicans in Congress show more
> > >>> allegiance to Grover Norquist than to their own country and its debt
> > >>> situation. I can't believe you're okay with that.
> > >> Raising taxes will further slow economic growth, job creation and
> > >> revenues.
> > >> If republicans wanted to fuck you they'd just sit back and let you > > >> have
> > >> your
> > >> way, but since they put country first, like they did during the
> > >> nineties
> > >> with Reaganomics
> > > When Reagan raised taxes multiple times during and after his
> > > recession. Ha-ha-ha-ha... boy, you're real stupid, Eddie.
> > In 1988 the average effective Federal tax rate was lower than it was for
> > all but the highest income levels.
