Poll: Most Americans think Bush is illegitimate
El Kabong
presidency if the Supreme Court had not stopped the count.
Only a slight majority think Bush is legitimately the president.
A majority of Americans think the SC's decision was based on partisan
loyalties.
Most Americans are willing to "accept" Bush because the alternative
would damage the country further -- they have no choice.
By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, Times Political Writer
WASHINGTON--Most Americans say they are now prepared to support
George W. Bush as president, even though a solid plurality believes
that--if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed the vote count to
continue--Al Gore would have won Florida and the presidency, a Los
Angeles Times Poll has found.
From virtually every angle, the poll underscores the challenge
Bush will face in broadening his base of support after the closest
presidential contest in more than a century.
Only a slight majority of Americans believes that Bush won the
presidency legitimately, the survey found. Likewise, only a slight
majority believes that after the controversy Bush can effectively
unite the country.
The survey also found enormous ambivalence about the U.S. Supreme
Court after last week's dramatic ruling that ended ballot recounts in
Florida and paved the way for Bush's victory. While half of Americans
believe the court's decision was not based on partisan loyalties, a
slightly larger majority--53%--says it agrees with the dissenting four
justices who wanted to complete the recount in Florida.
http://www.latimes.com/news/timespoll/national/lat_poll001217.htm
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approval rating than Ronald Reagan ever had.
LEGACY: Most popular two-term president of all time.
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Rockett Crawford
He is illegitimate. We won't have a real president until
he leaves office within the next 4 years.
F.E.P.O.
F.E.P.O.
ma...@ematic.com
Kabong) wrote:
>
>By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, Times Political Writer
>
> WASHINGTON--Most Americans say they are now prepared to support
>George W. Bush as president, even though a solid plurality believes
>that--if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed the vote count to
>continue--Al Gore would have won Florida and the presidency, a Los
>Angeles Times Poll has found.
Los Angeles Times? I don't think they bothered to poll anyone in the
red part of the election map. If you start with a predetermined
population who supports your bias, your poll most certainly will
reflect the result you want.
Bush is the legitimate president, like it or not.
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Rockett Crawford
ma...@ematic.com wrote:
> Bush is the legitimate president, like it or not.
Not to millions of Americans.
Tom Morinello
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Rockett Crawford
Tom Morinello wrote:
> Make that tens of millions.
That's right. To tens of millions of Americans (including
me) he will be referred to as "his illegitimacy."
Zepp: Weasel While You Work!
<Roc...@Audiotel.com> wrote:
>
>
>Tom Morinello wrote:
>
>> Make that tens of millions.
>
>That's right. To tens of millions of Americans (including
>me) he will be referred to as "his illegitimacy."
Or "his Fraudulence", or "President-alledged" or "Supreme Court
Jester"...
>
>>
>>
>> Rockett Crawford <Roc...@Audiotel.com> wrote in message
>> news:3A5F92A0...@Audiotel.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > ma...@ematic.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Bush is the legitimate president, like it or not.
>> >
>> > Not to millions of Americans.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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El Kabong <tbor...@nospam.directlink.net> wrote in message
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> A solid plurality of Americans believes Al Gore would have won the
> presidency if the Supreme Court had not stopped the count.
> Only a slight majority think Bush is legitimately the president.
You are encouraged to learn the difference between "most", "plurality", and
"majority"
as your misuse of these words give the appearance that you are a bold faced
liar.
Repeating the gross errors and intentional distortions of an Los Angeles
Times reporter
and his apparently equally incompetent editor is no excuse for intentional
blathering.
That is, it cannot be true that "most" Americans think President-Elect Bush
is "illegitimate"
if a majority think he's legitimate; nor is it a "plurality" of any sort,
especially solid.
Some Definitions for the English language challenged from the American
Heritage Dictionary:
plurality (pl¢-ràl´î-tê) noun
plural pluralities
1. The state or fact of being plural.
2. A large number or amount; a multitude.
3. Ecclesiastical. a. Pluralism. b. The offices or benefices held by a
pluralist.
4. a. In a contest of more than two choices, the number of votes cast for
the winning choice if this number is not more than one half of the total
votes cast. b. The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a
contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.
5. The larger or greater part.
majority (me-jôr´î-tê, -jòr´-) noun
plural majorities
1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election,
exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
3. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of
its larger representation or electoral strength.
4. The status of having reached full legal age, with attendant rights and
responsibilities.
5. The military rank, commission, or office of a major.
6. Obsolete. The fact or state of being greater; superiority.
[French majorité, from Medieval Latin mâioritâs, from Latin mâior, greater.]
Usage Note: When majority refers to a particular number of votes, it takes a
singular verb: Her majority was five votes. His majority has been growing by
5 percent every year. When it refers to a group of persons or things that
are in the majority, it may take either a singular or plural verb, depending
on whether the group is considered as a whole or as a set of people
considered individually. So we say The majority elects (not elect) the
candidate it wants (not they want), since the election is accomplished by
the group as a whole; but The majority of the voters live (not lives) in the
city, since living in the city is something that each voter does
individually. Majority is often preceded by great (but not by greater) in
expressing emphatically the sense of "most of": The great majority approved.
The phrase greater majority is appropriate only when considering two
majorities: He won by a greater majority in this election than in the last.
most (most) adjective
Superlative of many, much
1. a. Greatest in number: won the most votes. b. Greatest in amount, extent,
or degree: has the most compassion.
2. In the greatest number of instances: Most fish have fins.
noun
1. The greatest amount or degree: She has the most to gain.
2. Slang. The greatest, best, or most exciting. Used with the: That party
was the most!
pronoun
(used with a sing. or pl. verb). The greatest part or number: Most of the
town was destroyed. Most of the books were missing.
adverb
Superlative of more, much
1. In or to the highest degree or extent. Used with many adjectives and
adverbs to form the superlative degree: most honest; most impatiently.
2. Very: a most impressive piece of writing.
3. Informal. Almost: Most everyone agrees.
- idiom.
at (the) most
At the maximum: We saw him for ten minutes at the most. She ran two miles at
most.
[Middle English, from Old English mæst, mâst. Adv., sense 3, probably short
for ALMOST.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition
copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed
from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.
Michael Abadi
the extremely sketchy circumstances of his court-appointment. But every
time he opens his mouth (or just even mugs while listening to his
babysitters), he confirms how much of a clown he is. And a dangerous one
at that. Let's see if the media keeps looking at popular attitudes like
they obsessed over that core 30% of far-right Clinton-haters.
We3
telling us he rubs all over his ass and goes out in the streets looking for
a good fister..
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We3
won..take one look at that drag queen Katherine Harris and her crisco ass..
Foxtrot
><Roc...@Audiotel.com> wrote:
>>That's right. To tens of millions of Americans (including
>>me) he will be referred to as "his illegitimacy."
So what? Tens of millions of Americans also think Elvis
is still alive. They're kooks too.
>Or "his Fraudulence", or "President-alledged" or "Supreme Court
>Jester"...
Every federal building in the nation will display his portrait
with a plaque saying President George W. Bush. The
portraits of Clinton are coming down. Enjoy!
Ranetek
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Pithy
Commendable try, but facts confound stupid liberal fools.
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Walt Windham
>On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:48:47 GMT, tbor...@nospam.directlink.net (El
>Kabong) wrote:
>
>>
>>By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, Times Political Writer
>>
>> WASHINGTON--Most Americans say they are now prepared to support
>>George W. Bush as president, even though a solid plurality believes
>>that--if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed the vote count to
>>continue--Al Gore would have won Florida and the presidency, a Los
>>Angeles Times Poll has found.
>
>
>Los Angeles Times? I don't think they bothered to poll anyone in the
>red part of the election map. If you start with a predetermined
>population who supports your bias, your poll most certainly will
>reflect the result you want.
Red as in COMMUNIST?
>Bush is the legitimate president, like it or not.
He will be president, though not legitimately. And we DON'T like it.
Steven D. Litvintchouk
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:54:58 -0600, Rockett Crawford
> <Roc...@Audiotel.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Tom Morinello wrote:
> >
> >> Make that tens of millions.
> >
> >That's right. To tens of millions of Americans (including
> >me) he will be referred to as "his illegitimacy."
>
> Or "his Fraudulence", or "President-alledged" or "Supreme Court
> Jester"...
Hey, you can call Bush whatever you wish, and believe whatever you wish,
so long as you pay your taxes.
It's a free country.
"Survival is the objective of the day, every day, if you are little.
And danger is always nearby when you are a weasel."
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Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed
herein
are not those of my employer.
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>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:18:16 GMT, ma...@ematic.com wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:48:47 GMT, tbor...@nospam.directlink.net (El
> >Kabong) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>By RONALD BROWNSTEIN, Times Political Writer
> >>
> >> WASHINGTON--Most Americans say they are now prepared to support
> >>George W. Bush as president, even though a solid plurality believes
> >>that--if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed the vote count to
> >>continue--Al Gore would have won Florida and the presidency, a Los
> >>Angeles Times Poll has found.
> >
> >
> >Los Angeles Times? I don't think they bothered to poll anyone in the
> >red part of the election map. If you start with a predetermined
> >population who supports your bias, your poll most certainly will
> >reflect the result you want.
>
> Red as in COMMUNIST?
>
> >Bush is the legitimate president, like it or not.
>
> He will be president, though not legitimately. And we DON'T like it.
You don't have to like it. You don't have to consider Bush legitimate.
Just obey the law and pay your taxes. Tbat's all the legitimacy Bush
needs.
Dave A
GWB will be more effective and have better ethics than Clinton. I think only
19% said that he wasn't legitimate. In any event, it was a very positive
poll.
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Democrats- the party of racial division and hate. The party that views
women raped and beaten as martyrs and a woman who uses a firearm against her
attacker a right wing zealot.
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Michael Abadi
> El Kabong <tbor...@nospam.directlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3a5f8966...@news.directlink.net...
> > A solid plurality of Americans believes Al Gore would have won the
> > presidency if the Supreme Court had not stopped the count.
> > Only a slight majority think Bush is legitimately the president.
>
> You are encouraged to learn the difference between "most", "plurality", and
> "majority"
> as your misuse of these words give the appearance that you are a bold faced
> liar.
>
Let me try:
A plurality of voters picked Gore.
A majority of voters chose either Gore or Nader.
Most Americans are to the left of John Ashcroft.
Thanks for the definitions. I think I got it.
F.E.P.O.
F.E.P.O.
stayed the same, or gotten worse as a result of his performance during this
transition period?
Gotten better 21%
Gotten worse 18
Stayed the same 54
[Gotten better and better... That number will continue to climb. -- F.E.P.O.]
F M Homer
Michael Abadi <mab...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> F M Homer wrote:
>
> > El Kabong <tbor...@nospam.directlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3a5f8966...@news.directlink.net...
> > > A solid plurality of Americans believes Al Gore would have won the
> > > presidency if the Supreme Court had not stopped the count.
> > > Only a slight majority think Bush is legitimately the president.
> >
> > You are encouraged to learn the difference between "most", "plurality",
and
> > "majority"
> > as your misuse of these words give the appearance that you are a bold
faced
> > liar.
> >
>
> Let me try:
>
>
>
> A plurality of voters picked Gore.
No, a majority of voters, 271, voted for Bush.
A plurality of people voted for electors for Gore.
It is a subtle difference, but an important one.
> A majority of voters chose either Gore or Nader.
A majority of voters voted for electors of either Gore
or Bush, but that is an irrelevant distinction.
Your point must be that people who voted for Nader
didn't want to vote for Gore, isn't it?
> Most Americans are to the left of John Ashcroft.
Get over it.
Pithy
Look at Chelsea's lips.
Look at Web's lips.
As Posner would say: "case closed".
Mark Lindamood
Pithy wrote:
Hold on, I didn't say anything about Web Hubbel or Chelsea Clinton. I
don't appreciate the misattribution.
Pithy
Don't worry--I take full credit!
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but not the popular vote?" asked the reporter.
"A win's a win!"
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Ed Ellers
"Make that tens of millions."
Make that tens of millions so ignorant that they either have not read the
Constitution or believe that it can be safely ignored.
El Kabong
wrote:
Most Americans think five members of the US supreme court wiped their
asses with the Constitution because they're family works for Bush or
they wanted to retire soon.
The poll says it all.
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There are several other measures that show Bush to be
far ahead -- he won far more counties than did Gore,
covering a much larger land area. -- Republican Ed Ellers
Pithy
Look at her lips.
Look at Web Hubbell's lips.
As Richard Posner says, "case closed"!
John S. Dyson
tbor...@nospam.directlink.net (El Kabong) writes:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:03:36 -0500, "Ed Ellers" <ed_e...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Tom Morinello <tmo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Make that tens of millions."
>>
>>Make that tens of millions so ignorant that they either have not read the
>>Constitution or believe that it can be safely ignored.
>
> Most Americans think five members of the US supreme court wiped their
> asses with the Constitution because they're family works for Bush or
> they wanted to retire soon.
> The poll says it all.
>
everyone dirty. Gore gave the baby (the Fla Supreme Court) the rotten
food that caused the Fla Supreme Court's poopy problem. Alas, the
US Supreme Court got its hands dirty, because of the necessary and
constitutionally required cleanup of the mess. The Dems kept on feeding
the baby the tainted food, and the USSC and other legally involved
entities (e.g. the legislature) had to be ready to clean up the Democrat
inspired spew. Remember: The Florida Supreme Court had LITTLE OR NO
STANDING in this issue, and the USSC tried to solve the problem without
unnecessarily setting precedent. The LEGISLATURE was the responsible
party, and the GOP legislature of today was left with a mess from the
previous Democrats.
The people are often misinformed by the reporters in the press. I
often warn people NOT to make either the incompetent network newsreaders
nor Rush and friends their sole news sources. Whether or not you like
Rush or other 'info-tainers', they are not good SOLE sources, but can
often provide alternative and eye-opening views of subjects. At least
Rush Limbaugh is honest about his interest and affiliation, but the news
readers and editors don't honestly admit to their Democrat leanings. Even
MTV doesn't admit that the reason why they won't have a Bush party is
that they were anti-Bush. IF they'd admit the reason, at least they'd
be honest in that regard... It isn't to be expected that Democrats are
honest anyway, because of their ethically bankrupt philosophy.
Given the incompetency of the Democrat voters (even claimed by the
Democrats themselves), it isn't to be expected that the voters can
understand how the system works. Many incompetent (Democrat) people
don't even understand that the Fla Supreme court had little or no
standing in the issue.
Note also that Gore also had no standing in requesting a state-wide
recount, and his claim of offering a compromise recount to Bush was
specious, and certainly a lie. (Gore offering a recount was especially
silly, considering that neither he nor Bush were individuals who were
elected during the constested popular election.)
Of course, it is sometimes expected that half of our populace doesn't
understand how our political system works (or even how it should
constitutionally work): half of them voted for the liar Democrats!!!
John
Dese...@mojave.net
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 03:59:39 GMT, "Ranetek" <ran...@home.com> wrote: