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MattB
May 29, 2012, 12:34:31 PM5/29/12
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American Dream Faces Harsh New Reality
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153513153/american-dream-faces-harsh-new-reality
The American Dream is a crucial thread in this country's tapestry,
woven through politics, music and culture.
Though the phrase has different meanings to different people, it
suggests an underlying belief that hard work pays off and that the
next generation will have a better life than the previous generation.
But three years after the worst recession in almost a century, the
American Dream now feels in jeopardy to many.
The town of Lorain, Ohio, used to embody this dream. It was a place
where you could get a good job, raise a family and comfortably retire.
"Now you can see what it is. Nothing," says John Beribak. "The
shipyards are gone, the Ford plant is gone, the steel plant is gone."
His voice cracks as he describes the town he's lived in his whole
life.
"I mean, I grew up across the street from the steel plant when there
was 15,000 people working there," he says. "My dad worked there. I
worked there when I got out of the Air Force. It's just sad."
Uniquely American
The American Dream is an implicit contract that says if you play by
the rules, you'll move ahead. It's a faith that is almost unique to
this country, says Michael Dimock of the Pew Research Center.
"When Germans or French are asked the same questions about whether
it's within all of our power to get ahead, or whether our success is
really determined by forces outside our control, most German and
French respondents say, 'No, success is really beyond our control,' "
Dimock says.
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153513153/american-dream-faces-harsh-new-reality
The American Dream is a crucial thread in this country's tapestry,
woven through politics, music and culture.
Though the phrase has different meanings to different people, it
suggests an underlying belief that hard work pays off and that the
next generation will have a better life than the previous generation.
But three years after the worst recession in almost a century, the
American Dream now feels in jeopardy to many.
The town of Lorain, Ohio, used to embody this dream. It was a place
where you could get a good job, raise a family and comfortably retire.
"Now you can see what it is. Nothing," says John Beribak. "The
shipyards are gone, the Ford plant is gone, the steel plant is gone."
His voice cracks as he describes the town he's lived in his whole
life.
"I mean, I grew up across the street from the steel plant when there
was 15,000 people working there," he says. "My dad worked there. I
worked there when I got out of the Air Force. It's just sad."
Uniquely American
The American Dream is an implicit contract that says if you play by
the rules, you'll move ahead. It's a faith that is almost unique to
this country, says Michael Dimock of the Pew Research Center.
"When Germans or French are asked the same questions about whether
it's within all of our power to get ahead, or whether our success is
really determined by forces outside our control, most German and
French respondents say, 'No, success is really beyond our control,' "
Dimock says.
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MattB
May 29, 2012, 1:00:28 PM5/29/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:53:42 GMT, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>On 29-May-2012, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote at
>alt.politics.usa.republican:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:31:06 UTC (s05-b02.iad)
>is really just imagination. Reality isn't constrained by what people would
>like to have happen - there are a myriad of forces involved.
>
>The reason American industry is failing is because we can't do a better job
>than other countries. Republicans are so set on free markets, but then they
>complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods cost
>less than American goods.
Yes it is hard to compete with China when the average months wage
is $150 last I looked. Tax cuts can't fix that.
Those free trade laws were a mistake. Just helped Wal-Mart and Wall
Street.
wrote:
>
>On 29-May-2012, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote at
>alt.politics.usa.republican:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:31:06 UTC (s05-b02.iad)
>>
>> American Dream Faces Harsh New Reality
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153513153/american-dream-faces-harsh-new-reality
>>
>> The American Dream is a crucial thread in this country's tapestry,
>> woven through politics, music and culture.
>
>There is a reason it is called a "dream". It doesn't really exist at all. It
>> American Dream Faces Harsh New Reality
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153513153/american-dream-faces-harsh-new-reality
>>
>> The American Dream is a crucial thread in this country's tapestry,
>> woven through politics, music and culture.
>
>is really just imagination. Reality isn't constrained by what people would
>like to have happen - there are a myriad of forces involved.
>
>The reason American industry is failing is because we can't do a better job
>than other countries. Republicans are so set on free markets, but then they
>complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods cost
>less than American goods.
Yes it is hard to compete with China when the average months wage
is $150 last I looked. Tax cuts can't fix that.
Those free trade laws were a mistake. Just helped Wal-Mart and Wall
Street.
klattu
May 29, 2012, 1:16:24 PM5/29/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 09:34:31 -0700, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves
largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the
public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over
loose fiscal policy. The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to
spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from
dependency back to bondage once more.
"In the United States we stand today at the apathy to dependency"
"The release of initiative and enterprise made possible by
self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from
within. Again and again, after freedom brings opportunity and some
degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and
complacent; the incompetent and unfortunate grow envious and
covetous; and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of
freedom to worship the golden calf of economic security."
klattu
wrote:
only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves
largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the
public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over
loose fiscal policy. The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to
spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from
dependency back to bondage once more.
"In the United States we stand today at the apathy to dependency"
"The release of initiative and enterprise made possible by
self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from
within. Again and again, after freedom brings opportunity and some
degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and
complacent; the incompetent and unfortunate grow envious and
covetous; and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of
freedom to worship the golden calf of economic security."
klattu
MattB
May 29, 2012, 1:36:20 PM5/29/12
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are owed now. They are owed and want to make no effort.
Personally I blame both parties.
>
>"In the United States we stand today at the apathy to dependency"
>
>"The release of initiative and enterprise made possible by
>self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from
>within. Again and again, after freedom brings opportunity and some
>degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and
>complacent; the incompetent and unfortunate grow envious and
>covetous; and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of
>freedom to worship the golden calf of economic security."
>
Thomas Jefferson said:
>"In the United States we stand today at the apathy to dependency"
>
>"The release of initiative and enterprise made possible by
>self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from
>within. Again and again, after freedom brings opportunity and some
>degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and
>complacent; the incompetent and unfortunate grow envious and
>covetous; and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of
>freedom to worship the golden calf of economic security."
>
""I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is
necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious."
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them."
>
>
>klattu
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 1:51:08 PM5/29/12
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>
> On 29-May-2012, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.usa.republican:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:31:06 UTC (s05-b02.iad)
>>
> On 29-May-2012, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.usa.republican:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:31:06 UTC (s05-b02.iad)
>>
>> American Dream Faces Harsh New Reality
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153513153/american-dream-faces-harsh-new-reality
>>
>> The American Dream is a crucial thread in this country's tapestry,
>> woven through politics, music and culture.
>
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/153513153/american-dream-faces-harsh-new-reality
>>
>> The American Dream is a crucial thread in this country's tapestry,
>> woven through politics, music and culture.
>
> There is a reason it is called a "dream". It doesn't really exist at all.
> It
> is really just imagination. Reality isn't constrained by what people would
> like to have happen - there are a myriad of forces involved.
>
> The reason American industry is failing is because we can't do a better
> job
> than other countries. Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
> they
> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods cost
> less than American goods.
That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in the
> It
> is really just imagination. Reality isn't constrained by what people would
> like to have happen - there are a myriad of forces involved.
>
> The reason American industry is failing is because we can't do a better
> job
> than other countries. Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
> they
> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods cost
> less than American goods.
world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
Toyota, Nissan and S Korean non-union auto makers build in the US while GM
is building in Mexico.
Goddamn America.
Kirby Grant's world - one where history and facts are totally unknown and we
must make the same mistakes over and over and over because the only thing in
the entire world that he knows is what democrats tell him. Oh, and one where
we all drive $60,000 Pintos and Vegas when they can be afforded.
"Congress approved the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1930. The legislation,
which raised tariffs on thousands of imported items, was signed into law by
President Hoover in June 1930. The intent of the Act was to encourage the
purchase of American-made products by increasing the cost of imported goods,
while raising revenue for the federal government and protecting farmers.
However, economic depression now spread through much of the world, and other
nations increased tariffs on American-made goods in retaliation, reducing
international trade, and worsening the Depression"
The Smoot-Hawley Tariff
In 1988, the Council of Economic Advisors proclaimed that the Smoot Hawley
Tariff Act was "probably one of the most damaging pieces of legislation ever
signed in the United States." The act was passed in June of 1930 and
increased tariffs to a tax of 50 percent on goods imported into the United
States. Since this occurred after the onset of the Depression, it's hard to
see how it could have caused it. However, since the real effect of the
increased tariffs was to increase prices and increase price rigidity, it is
easy to see how the Act could have exacerbated the Depression. Enacting the
tariff was exactly the wrong thing to do and about 1,000 economists signed a
petition begging Congress not to pass it. Eventually, 60 other countries
passed retaliatory tariffs in response.
http://www.amatecon.com/gd/gdcandc.html
Eddie Haskell: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 1:54:30 PM5/29/12
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complacent"?
-Eddie Haskell
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Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 3:21:29 PM5/29/12
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> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:56:53 UTC (s05-b11.iad)
> So somehow it is America's fault that Chinese laborers are paid less?
It's democrats fault that the US is a business hostile country thanks to
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:56:53 UTC (s05-b11.iad)
It's democrats fault that the US is a business hostile country thanks to
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 3:29:10 PM5/29/12
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>
> On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
What is it with the Negro penchant for fucking yourselves?
It is not written in the stars that young black males must have astronomical
rates of unemployment. It is written implicitly in the minimum wage laws.
We have gotten so used to seeing unemployment rates of 30 or 40 percent for
black teenage males that it might come as a shock to many people to learn
that the unemployment rate for sixteen- and seventeen-year-old black males
was just under 10 percent back in 1948.
Moreover, it was slightly lower than the unemployment rate for white males
of the same age.
How could this be?
The economic reason is quite plain. The inflation of the 1940s had pushed
money wages for even unskilled, entry-level labor above the level specified
in the minimum wage law passed 10 years earlier.
In other words, there was in practical effect no national minimum wage law
in the late 1940s.
My first full-time job, as a black teenage high-school dropout in 1946, was
as a lowly messenger delivering telegrams. But my starting pay was more than
50 percent above the level specified in the Fair Labor Standards Act of
1938.
Liberals were of course appalled that the federal minimum wage law had
lagged so far behind inflation - and, in 1950, they began a series of
escalations of the minimum wage level over the years.
It was in the wake of these escalations that black teenage unemployment rose
to levels that were three or four times the level in 1948.
http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/tsowell/201202070117
-Eddie Haskell
>
> On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>> >> they
>> >> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods
>> >> cost
>> >> less than American goods.
>> >
>> >That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>> >the
>> >
>> >world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>>
>> You mean paying workers fair wages and benefits?
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>> >> they
>> >> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods
>> >> cost
>> >> less than American goods.
>> >
>> >That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>> >the
>> >
>> >world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>>
What is it with the Negro penchant for fucking yourselves?
It is not written in the stars that young black males must have astronomical
rates of unemployment. It is written implicitly in the minimum wage laws.
We have gotten so used to seeing unemployment rates of 30 or 40 percent for
black teenage males that it might come as a shock to many people to learn
that the unemployment rate for sixteen- and seventeen-year-old black males
was just under 10 percent back in 1948.
Moreover, it was slightly lower than the unemployment rate for white males
of the same age.
How could this be?
The economic reason is quite plain. The inflation of the 1940s had pushed
money wages for even unskilled, entry-level labor above the level specified
in the minimum wage law passed 10 years earlier.
In other words, there was in practical effect no national minimum wage law
in the late 1940s.
My first full-time job, as a black teenage high-school dropout in 1946, was
as a lowly messenger delivering telegrams. But my starting pay was more than
50 percent above the level specified in the Fair Labor Standards Act of
1938.
Liberals were of course appalled that the federal minimum wage law had
lagged so far behind inflation - and, in 1950, they began a series of
escalations of the minimum wage level over the years.
It was in the wake of these escalations that black teenage unemployment rose
to levels that were three or four times the level in 1948.
http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/tsowell/201202070117
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 3:32:47 PM5/29/12
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>
> On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>
>
> On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>> >> they
>> >> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods
>> >> cost
>> >> less than American goods.
>> >
>> >That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>> >the
>> >
>> >world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>>
>> >> they
>> >> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign goods
>> >> cost
>> >> less than American goods.
>> >
>> >That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>> >the
>> >
>> >world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>>
>> You mean paying workers fair wages and benefits?
>>
>> How horrible
>>
>
> Haskell has never worked a day in his life.
Ghee, that makes me eligible to be president in democrat land.
"If tobacco caused cancer then everyone who has ever smoked tobacco would
have developed cancer "
-Kirby Grant, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Every Republican president in this century was placed in office through
voter fraud."
-Kirby Grant, Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I voted for the person who became president. Therefore it was the correct
vote."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Although it is more polite to just say "menally challenged" these days."
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"All churches are racist hate churches""
-Kirby Grant, Friday, March 09, 2012 12:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"A fetus is not alive until it takes its first breath."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, February 21,
2012 1:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
Eddie Haskell: At any rate, you obviously believe that he [Hussein] was born
in the US.
Kirby Grant: I don't believe that at all. I know that he was born in Hawaii.
-Monday, December 12, 2011 3:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I don't believe things. I operate without beliefs."
-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 12, 2011 2:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Beliefs are not based on facts or experience."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Believe what you want. Beliefs are for fools and pathetic snots like
yourself."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I am perfectly capable of living without beliefs. "
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I told you a long time ago I do not "believe" things. That is something
that weak-minded people do. "
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"The original message was about Sarah "I can see Russia from my front door"
Palin."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:34 PM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110608094524AAnEDin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Only fringe loonies listen."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I voted for President Obama because he was the most qualified individual
who ran for president in 2008. "
-Kirby Grant, Friday, July 22, 2011 3:13 PM
"That's ridiculous. Of course he received congressional approval. He issued
an executive order."
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I don't have any beliefs at all, except that I believe I'll have another
diet coke since I'm thirsty. Beliefs are for those who don't have
knowledge."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
In fact, Dubya wasn't actually a natural born citizen - his mother gave
birth to him via C-section. Which means he was not born naturally.
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"About the only thing noteworthy about 9/11 is that NYC got a hole in the
ground that has been far more profitable for the city than the buildings
that used to exist on that spot. Generally it can be said that they are
fairly satisfied with the overall results over the past decade. They
couldn't have done better unless they had planned it
themselves."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Obama will be re-elected. By a very comfortable margin."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"How is it possible that you are just one person and yet you have more
ignorance 'then' a thousand men?"
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Of course I have a brand in this fire because I had been married to an
immoral slut who I didn't realize was banging half the guys in town whenever
I was away on a business trip and that was often several times a month."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"As a matter of fact, yes. I am a historian. Not that you would have ever
read my materials - which were written under a different identity."
-Kirby Grant,Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Given the latest announcement by the WHO regarding cell phone usage and
brain cancer, I'm betting Republicans won't be smart enough to decrease
their cell phone usage."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Being BORN on either the north American or South American continent or the
Latin America in between the north american and south american continent
more or less conveys the status of being an American."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"You see, we have plenty of confusion on the Democratic side as well, but we
know better 'then' to start having splinter groups. "
-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 18, 2011 1:29 PM
"Again with the vast ignorance. I was wrong - you have more ignorance 'then'
ten thousand other men."
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I know better 'then' to address a letter to the president."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"People who have never served have no right at all to comment on how
military operations are performed."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:27 PM
Haskell: The democrats oppose school choice on behalf of the NEA because
they don't want the competition.
Grant: The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) doesn't do any of what you
just claimed.
-Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:42 PM
"Liberals have been winning in this country for well over 200 years"
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of
individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and
free markets"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
"Classical liberalism simply does not apply any longer. It is part of the
myths that float around in that infantile mind you possess. It describe
something that exist some time in the past, but which has been superceded by
post-modernism."
-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 19, 2011 8:09 AM
"For starters, liberal and liberalism are two different ideas."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:23 AM
Eddie Haskell: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
MattB
May 29, 2012, 3:54:07 PM5/29/12
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wrote:
>
>On 29-May-2012, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:56:53 UTC (s05-b11.iad)
surprise. My electric bill is more than they make a month.
No ones fault just how it is for now. I suspect that will change
soon as the Chinese Laborers learn and want.
wrote:
>
>On 29-May-2012, MattB <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> X-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:56:53 UTC (s05-b11.iad)
>So somehow it is America's fault that Chinese laborers are paid less?
No in a communist country and with their cost of living it is no
surprise. My electric bill is more than they make a month.
No ones fault just how it is for now. I suspect that will change
soon as the Chinese Laborers learn and want.
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 4:46:32 PM5/29/12
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That's how dumb he is.
That's how dumb he is.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited
government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of
individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and
free markets"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
"Classical liberalism simply does not apply any longer. It is part of the
myths that float around in that infantile mind you possess. It describe
something that exist some time in the past, but which has been superceded by
post-modernism."
-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 19, 2011 8:09 AM
"For starters, liberal and liberalism are two different ideas."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:23 AM
government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of
individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and
free markets"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
"Classical liberalism simply does not apply any longer. It is part of the
myths that float around in that infantile mind you possess. It describe
something that exist some time in the past, but which has been superceded by
post-modernism."
-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 19, 2011 8:09 AM
"For starters, liberal and liberalism are two different ideas."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:23 AM
Eddie Haskell: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
-Eddie Haskell
Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
John Doe
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Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 4:58:13 PM5/29/12
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-Eddie Haskell
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Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 5:02:28 PM5/29/12
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>
> On 29-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell" <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> My world is one where I have a real job
Shilling for the DNC is not a real job.
> and don't depend on mommy and daddy
> like you do. So I'm a bit more equiped to know what the business world is
> really like. You children don't have any idea of what you are talking
> about
> and all you can do is mimic various conservative web sites.
>
> On 29-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell" <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
> My world is one where I have a real job
Shilling for the DNC is not a real job.
> and don't depend on mommy and daddy
> like you do. So I'm a bit more equiped to know what the business world is
> really like. You children don't have any idea of what you are talking
> about
> and all you can do is mimic various conservative web sites.
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 5:05:16 PM5/29/12
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>
> He doesn't know the difference between "ghee" and "gee".
> He doesn't know the difference between "isle" and "aisle".
> He doesn't know the difference between "pale" and "pail".
> He doesn't know the difference between "retched" and "wretched".
>
> His ignorance apparently has no limits.
>
> Maybe if he ever had a real job he would be able to learn a real
> vocabulary.
"If all Republican voter fraud were eliminated we would never against have a
Republican president. "
"You can't understand a think, you pathetic little snot."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Howevder dim he may appear to you, he is actually far, far worse."
-Kirby Grant, Friday, April 06, 2012 3:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"You next message will be a domonstration of this fact. So stgart dancing."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Although it is more polite to just say "menally challenged" these days."
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
>> "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fh9xr.31405$UT7....@news.usenetserver.com...
>> >
>> > On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>> >> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign
>> >> >> goods
>> >> >> cost
>> >> >> less than American goods.
>> >> >
>> >> >That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>> >> >the
>> >> >
>> >> >world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>> >>
>> >> You mean paying workers fair wages and benefits?
>> >>
>> >> How horrible
>> >
>> > Haskell has never worked a day in his life.
>>
>> Ghee, that makes me eligible to be president in democrat land.
>>
>
> One more for the list. Here's where we stand with Haskell's ignorance.
>> news:fh9xr.31405$UT7....@news.usenetserver.com...
>> >
>> > On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>> >> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign
>> >> >> goods
>> >> >> cost
>> >> >> less than American goods.
>> >> >
>> >> >That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>> >> >the
>> >> >
>> >> >world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>> >>
>> >> You mean paying workers fair wages and benefits?
>> >>
>> >> How horrible
>> >
>> > Haskell has never worked a day in his life.
>>
>> Ghee, that makes me eligible to be president in democrat land.
>>
>
>
> He doesn't know the difference between "ghee" and "gee".
> He doesn't know the difference between "isle" and "aisle".
> He doesn't know the difference between "pale" and "pail".
> He doesn't know the difference between "retched" and "wretched".
>
> His ignorance apparently has no limits.
>
> Maybe if he ever had a real job he would be able to learn a real
> vocabulary.
"If all Republican voter fraud were eliminated we would never against have a
Republican president. "
"You can't understand a think, you pathetic little snot."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Howevder dim he may appear to you, he is actually far, far worse."
-Kirby Grant, Friday, April 06, 2012 3:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"You next message will be a domonstration of this fact. So stgart dancing."
-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"Although it is more polite to just say "menally challenged" these days."
-Kirby Grant, Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"How is it possible that you are just one person and yet you have more
ignorance 'then' a thousand men?"
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
ignorance 'then' a thousand men?"
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"You see, we have plenty of confusion on the Democratic side as well, but we
know better 'then' to start having splinter groups. "
-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 18, 2011 1:29 PM
"Again with the vast ignorance. I was wrong - you have more ignorance 'then'
ten thousand other men."
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I know better 'then' to address a letter to the president."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
-Eddie Haskell
know better 'then' to start having splinter groups. "
-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 18, 2011 1:29 PM
"Again with the vast ignorance. I was wrong - you have more ignorance 'then'
ten thousand other men."
-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
"I know better 'then' to address a letter to the president."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk
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May 29, 2012, 6:04:28 PM5/29/12
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> I am a computer programmer for a large international telecommunications
> company. I write software that you couldn't possibly understand. That's
> why
> I have a job and you do not, you pathetic little snot.
Typing on the computer shilling for democrats doesn't qualify as a computer
programmer, moron.
> company. I write software that you couldn't possibly understand. That's
> why
> I have a job and you do not, you pathetic little snot.
Typing on the computer shilling for democrats doesn't qualify as a computer
programmer, moron.
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May 29, 2012, 8:13:27 PM5/29/12
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> The reason American industry is failing is because we can't do a better job
> than other countries.
Bullshit. Other countries have better gov't systems that resist bribes.
> than other countries.
Leon Manfredi
May 29, 2012, 9:04:36 PM5/29/12
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On 5/29/2012 5:00 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> On 29-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell"<rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
> On 29-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell"<rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> "Kirby Grant"<KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fh9xr.31405$UT7....@news.usenetserver.com...
>>>
>>> On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>>>> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign
>>>>>> goods
>>>>>> cost
>>>>>> less than American goods.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>>>>
>>>> You mean paying workers fair wages and benefits?
>>>>
>>>> How horrible
>>>
>>> Haskell has never worked a day in his life.
>>
>> Ghee, that makes me eligible to be president in democrat land.
>>
>
>> news:fh9xr.31405$UT7....@news.usenetserver.com...
>>>
>>> On 29-May-2012, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote at alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:08 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>>>> <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Republicans are so set on free markets, but then
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> complain about the results of having free markets where foreign
>>>>>> goods
>>>>>> cost
>>>>>> less than American goods.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because of unions, trial lawyers, the highest corporate tax in
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> world and regulations. All championed by the left and democrats.
>>>>
>>>> You mean paying workers fair wages and benefits?
>>>>
>>>> How horrible
>>>
>>> Haskell has never worked a day in his life.
>>
>> Ghee, that makes me eligible to be president in democrat land.
>>
>
> One more for the list. Here's where we stand with Haskell's ignorance.
>
> He doesn't know the difference between "ghee" and "gee".
> He doesn't know the difference between "isle" and "aisle".
> He doesn't know the difference between "pale" and "pail".
> He doesn't know the difference between "retched" and "wretched".
>
> His ignorance apparently has no limits.
>
> Maybe if he ever had a real job he would be able to learn a real vocabulary.
TO THOSE YOU YOU WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT UNIONS.....
>
> He doesn't know the difference between "ghee" and "gee".
> He doesn't know the difference between "isle" and "aisle".
> He doesn't know the difference between "pale" and "pail".
> He doesn't know the difference between "retched" and "wretched".
>
> His ignorance apparently has no limits.
>
> Maybe if he ever had a real job he would be able to learn a real vocabulary.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY..... YOU NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD....
IT WAS THE UNIONS THAT PULLED US OUT OF POVERTY AND SLAVERY
OF THE POOR BY THE RICH... TO THOSE YOU YOU NOW SITTING AT YOUR
KEYBOARD, JUST THINK OF HOW DAMNED LUCKY YOU ARE, HAVING A KEYBOARD
BEFORE YOU TO BE AS CREATIVE AS YOU WANT. JUST WANDER BACK IN YOUR MINDS
AND THINK A WHILE, AS TO ALL THE BENEFITS YOU HAVE,
AND TELL ME AND OTHERS, THAT IT'S NOT ALL AS A RESULT OF HAVING UNIONS.
YES, THERE ARE BAD UNIONS, BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SET THE EXAMPLE
FOR GOOD UNIONS.
Leon Manfredi
May 29, 2012, 9:22:27 PM5/29/12
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HERE WE PAT THEM ON THE BACK BY CALLING THEM GIFTS....
BY THE WAY.... ARE THESE TAX EXEMPT... ?????
Eddie Haskell
May 29, 2012, 10:55:56 PM5/29/12
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> the entire world you pathetic little snot. I've programmed in languages
> you
> have never even heard of and I've worked on systems that make PCs look
> like
> little play toys. Back in the day I even worked in a lab that had some
> Cray
> X-MPs and Y-MPs. In fact, that particular lab owned more Y-MPs that Cray
> owned themselves - although you don't have the slightest idea of how that
> could possibly be true because you are an ignorant and stupid pathetic
> little snot that doesn't know anything about the real world of computing.
I could do more when I was 12 in dBase III on a PC than you've done in your
archaic ENIAC life, you pretentious washed up old Navy hack. Get a real job
as opposed to shilling for the DNC like a shameless toady.
Oh, and we're headed head-long into a debt crisis and SS and Medicare are
going broke. What does your party plan on doing about it other than smear
anyone who dares address the problem for no more than votes and power and
goddamn America?
In reference to a 3.73 trillion dollar budget slated to run a 1.6 trillion
dollar deficit, Chuck Schumer accidentally said on an open mic about
republican efforts to cut a paltry 60 billion:
"SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER, D-N.Y.: I always use the word "extreme." That's what
the caucus instructed me to do the other week, extreme cuts and all these
riders. And Boehner's in a box. But if he supports the Tea Party, there is
going to inevitably [be] a shutdown. What we're trying to do here --"
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/transcript/government-shutdown-unavoidable#ixzz1I7ONwgM3
-Eddie Haskell
>
> On 29-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell" <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Hzbxr.3426$NT2....@news.usenetserver.com...
> On 29-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell" <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:
>
>> "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Eddie Haskell
>> >> >
>> >> > My world is one where I have a real job
>> >>
>> >
>> > I am a computer programmer for a large international telecommunications
>> > company. I write software that you couldn't possibly understand. That's
>> > why
>> > I have a job and you do not, you pathetic little snot.
>>
>> Typing on the computer shilling for democrats doesn't qualify as a
>> computer
>> programmer, moron.
>>
>
> I know more about computer programming that you know about any subject in
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Eddie Haskell
>> >> >
>> >> > My world is one where I have a real job
>> >>
>> >
>> > I am a computer programmer for a large international telecommunications
>> > company. I write software that you couldn't possibly understand. That's
>> > why
>> > I have a job and you do not, you pathetic little snot.
>>
>> Typing on the computer shilling for democrats doesn't qualify as a
>> computer
>> programmer, moron.
>>
>
> the entire world you pathetic little snot. I've programmed in languages
> you
> have never even heard of and I've worked on systems that make PCs look
> like
> little play toys. Back in the day I even worked in a lab that had some
> Cray
> X-MPs and Y-MPs. In fact, that particular lab owned more Y-MPs that Cray
> owned themselves - although you don't have the slightest idea of how that
> could possibly be true because you are an ignorant and stupid pathetic
> little snot that doesn't know anything about the real world of computing.
I could do more when I was 12 in dBase III on a PC than you've done in your
archaic ENIAC life, you pretentious washed up old Navy hack. Get a real job
as opposed to shilling for the DNC like a shameless toady.
Oh, and we're headed head-long into a debt crisis and SS and Medicare are
going broke. What does your party plan on doing about it other than smear
anyone who dares address the problem for no more than votes and power and
goddamn America?
In reference to a 3.73 trillion dollar budget slated to run a 1.6 trillion
dollar deficit, Chuck Schumer accidentally said on an open mic about
republican efforts to cut a paltry 60 billion:
"SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER, D-N.Y.: I always use the word "extreme." That's what
the caucus instructed me to do the other week, extreme cuts and all these
riders. And Boehner's in a box. But if he supports the Tea Party, there is
going to inevitably [be] a shutdown. What we're trying to do here --"
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/transcript/government-shutdown-unavoidable#ixzz1I7ONwgM3
-Eddie Haskell
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May 30, 2012, 10:43:53 AM5/30/12
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-Eddie Haskell
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May 30, 2012, 3:07:10 PM5/30/12
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>
> On 30-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell" <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> You stupid little pathetic snot. That is because you think that business
> owners should be able to treat workers with impunity and that workers
> should
> not have any protection from malfeasance by employers.
If you had a brain in your head you'd realize that employers have to compete
for employees and it is quite impossible to under pay or mistreat workers in
a market environment. There are no more one company towns and unions are
outmoded. You've been alive for over 60 years and you still haven't figured
out this simple concept and how your own economy and country works. Yours is
one of the most fundamental and STUPID mistakes your side makes and is part
of the bases for your love of government. It's as fundamentally stupid as
the idea that banks don't lend to blacks because bankers are racist and is
the mindset that you stupidly labored under when you had Fannie and Freddie
buying up risky loans and causing a financial crisis. If you think that an
employer can treat employees any way they wish with impunity you are
unbelievably stupid and insulated from the rigors of reality. The fact of
the matter is that it's more the other way around. Workers have rights,
while employers have responsibilities. If I had one wish it would be for
every democrat alive to have to run a business successfully or starve and
have to run it with the brain-washed useless fuckwits that you have turned
into "us vs them" fuckwits with no work ethic whatsoever.
-Eddie Haskell
>
> On 30-May-2012, "Eddie Haskell" <rgh...@sasas.com> wrote at
> owners should be able to treat workers with impunity and that workers
> should
> not have any protection from malfeasance by employers.
If you had a brain in your head you'd realize that employers have to compete
for employees and it is quite impossible to under pay or mistreat workers in
a market environment. There are no more one company towns and unions are
outmoded. You've been alive for over 60 years and you still haven't figured
out this simple concept and how your own economy and country works. Yours is
one of the most fundamental and STUPID mistakes your side makes and is part
of the bases for your love of government. It's as fundamentally stupid as
the idea that banks don't lend to blacks because bankers are racist and is
the mindset that you stupidly labored under when you had Fannie and Freddie
buying up risky loans and causing a financial crisis. If you think that an
employer can treat employees any way they wish with impunity you are
unbelievably stupid and insulated from the rigors of reality. The fact of
the matter is that it's more the other way around. Workers have rights,
while employers have responsibilities. If I had one wish it would be for
every democrat alive to have to run a business successfully or starve and
have to run it with the brain-washed useless fuckwits that you have turned
into "us vs them" fuckwits with no work ethic whatsoever.
-Eddie Haskell
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May 30, 2012, 5:58:11 PM5/30/12
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> I suppose a pathetic little snot would think like that. Employees are
> mistreated all the time. Get sick - well, your services are not required
> any
> longer. Get pregnant - this will cause too many absences so you're fired.
> Flexible hours needed - not the company's policy. Company executives need
> more bonus money - only solution is to make employees take wage cuts. Then
> there is the whole area about fairness in hiring. You Republicans and your
> stupid ideas have been devastating to employees over the last few years.
> You
> don't even think about anything except the maximization of company profits
> no matter how badly this affects the employees that are laid off or given
> reduced wages or hours. Absolutely selfish and immoral. That is exactly
> why
> so many people are thoroughly disgusted with Republicans.
Regardless of the irresponsible class warfare bullshit you've been fed it is
utterly impossible to run a company by abusing or underpaying employees. If
the company is on the rocks and cuts have to be made then they have to be
made but that only puts you at a disadvantage to your competitor. If a
employee is valuable to the company they are not going to fire them over a
minor infraction, and it is the democrats policies that gave us the
financial crisis and your continuing policies that have given us this shit
economy and have devastated this country and everyone in it.
Your problem is that you get fired at the drop of a hat and by any excuse
necessary when employers find out what a useless "us vs them" twit you are.
Now, you just keep right on demonizing business because you don't know and
damned thing about it and democrats will do you a favor and just keep right
on shipping them the fuck out of the country, you low IQ demogouged fomented
retard.
-Eddie Haskell
> mistreated all the time. Get sick - well, your services are not required
> any
> longer. Get pregnant - this will cause too many absences so you're fired.
> Flexible hours needed - not the company's policy. Company executives need
> more bonus money - only solution is to make employees take wage cuts. Then
> there is the whole area about fairness in hiring. You Republicans and your
> stupid ideas have been devastating to employees over the last few years.
> You
> don't even think about anything except the maximization of company profits
> no matter how badly this affects the employees that are laid off or given
> reduced wages or hours. Absolutely selfish and immoral. That is exactly
> why
> so many people are thoroughly disgusted with Republicans.
Regardless of the irresponsible class warfare bullshit you've been fed it is
utterly impossible to run a company by abusing or underpaying employees. If
the company is on the rocks and cuts have to be made then they have to be
made but that only puts you at a disadvantage to your competitor. If a
employee is valuable to the company they are not going to fire them over a
minor infraction, and it is the democrats policies that gave us the
financial crisis and your continuing policies that have given us this shit
economy and have devastated this country and everyone in it.
Your problem is that you get fired at the drop of a hat and by any excuse
necessary when employers find out what a useless "us vs them" twit you are.
Now, you just keep right on demonizing business because you don't know and
damned thing about it and democrats will do you a favor and just keep right
on shipping them the fuck out of the country, you low IQ demogouged fomented
retard.
-Eddie Haskell
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Eddie Haskell
May 31, 2012, 5:40:05 PM5/31/12
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> Exactly what a pathetic little snot would say. You are living in a fantasy
> world.
I win again.
-Eddie Haskell
> world.
I win again.
-Eddie Haskell
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