Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich, Krugman too!
Crash
Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
increase taxes on the rich:
"I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
=============
LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
their fair share in taxes.
STEIN: I could not agree more. I think Mr. Obama has it dead
right. There should be higher taxes for the rich. There should be
higher taxes for the rich in just about every category. By rich,
I mean really rich, like five million a year and up. That's a lot
of money that is being taken in by those people. But
unequivocally, it is wrong that those people pay so little tax.
KING: On here have agreement, Paul?
Economist PAUL KRUGMAN: Sure, but we need more money than that.
I say let's go back to taxes the way they were in the 1990s,
which was not -- you may remember was a pretty good time.
That would give us a lot more money to do things we need to
do. It's not just enough to -- I'm all for soaking a little bit
more in the super, super rich, but that's not enough; 250k-plus,
which is what Obama is saying, that seems reasonable to me.
STEIN: With all due respect, Dr. Paul, those are not very rich
people. In New York, 250,000 doesn't make you rich. In L.A., San
Francisco, Chicago, those people are not rich. Why not just
really put it to people who are extremely rich? They can afford
it. They will still be rich. They will still have their planes
and yachts.
KRUGMAN: Not enough money.
KING: One at a time. Paul, go ahead.
KRUGMAN: It is amazing that Ben is arguing we can really sock it
to a few rich people, which I wish I believed was enough.
Anyway, look, the point is we really have an enormous
difference between two candidates. I don't think -- let's put
it this way, if it is a debate about the economy, I think it is
pretty clear who will win it. Rightly or not, people are not
happy with this economy. McCain looks like the same.
KING: Let's take a break and we'll get Ben's reaction.
We'll quote from a Paul column right after this.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0806/11/lkl.01.html
So? How do you like trickle-down economics now?
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
Sam Buckland
> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
> increase taxes on the rich:
> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>
> =============
> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
> their fair share in taxes.
>
> STEIN: I could not agree more.
You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
particularly GOOD one, but still...)
Crash
about:
Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich, Krugman
too!
>
> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
> increase taxes on the rich:
> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>
> =============
> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
> their fair share in taxes.
>
.................snip
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0806/11/lkl.01.html
cont.......
King:
All right, Paul Krugman, earlier this month, you
concluded a column in "The New York Times" saying,
"while expensive gas and food are inflicting real harm on
American families, they aren't setting a 70's style inflationary
spiral.
"The only thing we have to fear on that front is inflation
fear itself, which could lead to policies that make a bad
economic situation worse."
Would you explain? What do you see in inflation fear? What
policies do you worry that fear would precipitate?
KRUGMAN: I'm worried that Ben Bernanke is going to hike up
interest rates. I'm not worried, because I think sees things the
way I do. But I am afraid the Fed is going to hike up interest
rates because they are afraid of inflation, because they are
seeing the price of oil and they are saying, oh my god; it is
going be the 1970s all over again, and throw the economy into a
much deeper recession than it is already in. I think that's
unjustified.
This inflation is very real. My god, you can see it at prices in
the gas station. But it is not filtering through to the rest of
the economy. It is oil and food. It is not hitting the rest. This
is not a wage/price spiral. We have the prices, but not the
wages, which means it doesn't feed on itself. So don't raise
interest rates. Leave things be.
KING: Ben?
STEIN: I'm sorry to make for so little drama, but I think that's
completely correct. Don't raise interest rates or also don't bash
the oil companies. Also, the top 300,000 wealthy people in this
country have more income than the bottom 200 million. I think we
can get plenty of tax revenue out of them.
KING: Are you guys -- Paul, are you optimistic or pessimistic?
KRUGMAN: I'm somewhere in between. I'm modestly pessimistic. We
don't seem to be going over a cliff. There was a real fear that
we might and it could still happen, but it doesn't seem like
things are falling apart. It is not 1930. It doesn't even look
like 2001, to be honest. It is not falling as fast. But I think
we probably have several years of a sluggish economy, a worsening
job market -- that advice that we had from the earlier panel to
go out and buy houses, I beg to disagree. I think house prices
have a long wall to fall, still.
It will be an extended siege, not a catastrophe. But it is a
fairly grim economy for quite a while to come.
KING: Ben, you up or down on this?
STEIN: Slow growth, but we are not in a recession. We are
unequivocally not in a recession. There's no doubt about that. We
won't even know that for six months, but we're not in a
recession. But slow growth for a while. We'll get through it. It
is a very rich country.
KING: Are you a supporter of McCain, Ben?
STEIN: Absolutely, but I'm not allowed to politic, but I will
certainly vote for him. KING: What about the charge that the
economy is his weakest point?
STEIN: I think it is probably true.
KRUGMAN: There's not a lot of justice in this. Let me say, I
think it would be justified to be very critical of him on
economic policy. But he'll end up probably losing in large part
because of gas prices, which is not his doing. But that's the way
things work.
KING: Paul, you are saying gas prices can decide an election?
KRUGMAN: Oh, sure. They decided the 1980 election, right? It
definitely can do that.
STEIN: Mr. Nixon always thought it was gasoline prices more than
any discoveries during Watergate that forced him out of office.
He had the disclosures about Watergate and the rising gas prices
at the same time. He always thought politically the gasoline
prices were hurting him more.
KING: Paul, as a supporter of Obama, are you concerned by a lack
of experience?
KRUGMAN: You know, as a "Times" columnist, I am not allowed to do
endorsements. In principal, you don't even know which party I
prefer.
KING: You wrote a book called the "Conscious of a Liberal." I can
assume.
KRUGMAN: I'm all for those liberal Republicans, both of them.
Look, Obama doesn't have a whole lot of -- he's young, but he has
a very, very able team of advisers. He's got a really deep bench
of good economists. On economic policy, I'm quite happy that he's
going to be getting very, very good advice.
STEIN: I wish McCain would avail himself of some extremely good
Republican economist. He doesn't seem to be doing it yet. It's
not too late for him to do it.
KING: Why wouldn't he, Ben?
STEIN: I don't know why he isn't doing it. He has this very
lovely woman, Carly Fiorina, a lovely, charming woman, who used
to be head of HP, seemingly as his economic adviser. I'm not
aware of any credentials she has as an economist. There are some
extremely intelligent Republican economists he should be using. I
don't know why he isn't. I just don't know why.
Crash
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about:
Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
Krugman too!
And Bill Clinton is a sax player. Did you have a point?
Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
Larry KING: Ben?
STEIN: ...I think that's completely correct.
Don't raise interest rates or also don't bash
the oil companies. Also, the top 300,000 wealthy people in this
country have more income than the bottom 200 million. I think we
can get plenty of tax revenue out of them.
Sam Buckland
>
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about:
> Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
> Krugman too!
>
>
>> Crash wrote:
>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
>>> increase taxes on the rich:
>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>>>
>>> =============
>>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
>>> their fair share in taxes.
>>>
>>> STEIN: I could not agree more.
>> You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
>
> And Bill Clinton is a sax player. Did you have a point?
>
> Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
He's a comedian. He'll say ANYTHING for a laugh!
Crash
Sam Buckland said
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Sal Video
"Sam Buckland" <not...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:g4vrar$8fn$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
Yeah and he's also a political commentator who's taken seriously enought to
be paid for making speeches and write books about politics. But when he says
someting you don't like... he's a comedian.
Sam Buckland
He's a comedian no matter WHAT he says.
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
In <YLKck.1149$zv7...@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:24:35 -0700, Sal Video said about:
Krugman too!
>
> "Sam Buckland" <not...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> > Crash wrote:
...........snip
> >>>> =============
> >>>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
> >>>> their fair share in taxes.
> >>>>
> >>>> STEIN: I could not agree more.
> >>> You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
> >>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
> >>
> >> And Bill Clinton is a sax player. Did you have a point?
> >>
> >> Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
> >
> > He's a comedian. He'll say ANYTHING for a laugh!
>
> Yeah and he's also a political commentator who's taken seriously enought to
> be paid for making speeches and write books about politics. But when he says
> someting you don't like... he's a comedian.
Yep. Kinda ironic that Repubs are the kings
of moral relativity. They don't even notice
what this does to their high-horse moral stance
when say, supporting torture or reverse-Robin Hood,
all those sex scandals, child trolling, Culture of Corruption,
list too long to list...
I wonder if that's cuz most Repubs dont get irony?
Crash
Sam Buckland said
> Crash wrote:
> > Sam Buckland said
> >> Crash wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about:
> >>> Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
> >>> Krugman too!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Crash wrote:
> >>>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
> >>>>> increase taxes on the rich:
> >>>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
.................snip
> Did you have a point?
Yep. Yer grabbing at straws.
But it's kinda cute:
==========insert:
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Sal Video said about:
Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
Krugman too!
>
> "Sam Buckland" <not...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> > Crash wrote:
> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about: Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say
> >> to increase taxes on the rich,
> >> Krugman too!
> >>> Crash wrote:
> >>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to increase taxes on the
> >>>> rich:
> >>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
> >>>>
> >>>> =============
> >>>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
> >>>> their fair share in taxes.
> >>>>
> >>>> STEIN: I could not agree more.
> >>> You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
> >>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
> >>
> >> And Bill Clinton is a sax player. Did you have a point?
> >>
> >> Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
> >
> > He's a comedian. He'll say ANYTHING for a laugh!
> Yeah and he's also a political commentator who's taken seriously enought to
> be paid for making speeches and write books about politics. But when he says
> someting you don't like... he's a comedian.
===========end insert
Get it?
Sal Video
"Crash" <see.m...@theBeach.edu> wrote in message
news:m7SdnZjmWte-5u7V...@pghconnect.com...
I can just picture Sam Buckland standing in the corner punching the wall
saying "He's a comedian damnit" over and over
RussellT
Why do you want taxes to go up?
Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any money. You want to
get even with others, who are more capable than you.
Marinus van der Lubbe
> Sam Buckland said
>> Crash wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about:
>>> Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
>>> Krugman too!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Crash wrote:
>>>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
>>>>> increase taxes on the rich:
>>>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>>>>>
>>>>> =============
>>>>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
>>>>> their fair share in taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> STEIN: I could not agree more.
>>>> You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
>>>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
>>> And Bill Clinton is a sax player. Did you have a point?
>>>
>>> Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
>> He's a comedian. He'll say ANYTHING for a laugh!
>
> google Results 1 - 10 of about 187,000 for
> "ben STEIN" comedian. (0.26 seconds)
>
>
Saying conservatives would support a tax increase is probably wrong. It
is the rich of this country who have come out against these tax cuts.
Gates, Buffett, Soros have complained the most for the same reason many
others have complained: wealth concentration creates a positive feedback
system that continues to make richer rich and poorer poor until you have
a few rich people living in castles and everyone else is living a
hand-to-mouth existence.
And we are sort of there now. Usually when that happens in a country
there is some unrest, so America steps in and helps the regime with our
tax dollars to fund right-wing death squads or maybe we kidnap the
president and drop him off in the Central African Republic. But what
America is going to help this America? Right. So remember everyone, when
the revolution comes, we let Gates, Buffett, Soros live, while the
Walton family and Jack Welch--will be so head of the line for the wall.
Lamont Cranston
You DO know the Stein is not just a comedian, don't you?
He graduated from Columbia University in 1966 with honors in
economics. He graduated from Yale Law School in 1970 as
valedictorian of his class by election of his classmates. He
studied in the graduate school of economics at Yale. He
worked as an economist at The Department of Commerce, a
poverty lawyer in New Haven and Washington, D.C., a trial
lawyer in the field of trade regulation at the Federal Trade
Commission in Washington, D.C., a university adjunct at
American University in Washington, D.C., at the University
of California at Santa Cruz, and at Pepperdine University in
Malibu. At American U. He taught about the political and
social content of mass culture. He taught the same subject
at UCSC, as well as about political and civil rights under
the Constitution. At Pepperdine, he has taught about libel
law and about securities law and ethical issues since 1986.
You, on the other hand, are simply a moron.
Lamont Cranston
You're a moron. You'll say ANYTHING to make yourself look
stupid.
Stein graduated from Columbia University in 1966 with honors
Lamont Cranston
You are a moron no matter WHAT you say.
Lamont Cranston
Uh, maybe to balance the budget?
>
> Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any
> money. You
> want to get even with others, who are more capable than
> you.
Maybe you are someone who doesn't understand that financing
the budget by borrowing money from China has resulted in a
falling dollar. A falling dollar means that things we
import are more expensive. Things like oil.
Sal Video
"Marinus van der Lubbe" <mv...@reichstagsbrand.de> wrote in message
news:cgLck.14584$mh5....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Crash wrote:
>> Sam Buckland said
>>> Crash wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about: Re: Even CONSERVATIVES
>>>> say to increase taxes on the rich,
>>>> Krugman too!
>>>>
>>>>> Crash wrote:
>>>>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to increase taxes on
>>>>>> the rich:
>>>>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =============
>>>>>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
>>>>>> their fair share in taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> STEIN: I could not agree more.
>>>>> You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
>>>>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
>>>> And Bill Clinton is a sax player. Did you have a point?
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
>>> He's a comedian. He'll say ANYTHING for a laugh!
>>
>> google Results 1 - 10 of about 187,000 for "ben STEIN" comedian. (0.26
>> seconds)
>
> Saying conservatives would support a tax increase is probably wrong. It is
> the rich of this country who have come out against these tax cuts. Gates,
> Buffett, Soros have complained the most for the same reason many
"Without the estate tax, you in effect will have an aristocracy of wealth,
which means you pass down the ability to command the resources of the nation
based on heredity rather than merit," Buffett told the New York Times in
2001. "[Repeal would be like] choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the
eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics."
Buffett also joined a campaign in 2001 to preserve the estate tax
alongside 119 other wealthy Americans, including George Soros and Bill
Gates' father, William H. Gates, Sr..
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Lamont Cranston said
> Sam Buckland wrote:
> > Crash wrote:
> >> Sam Buckland said
> >>> Crash wrote:
> >>>> Sam Buckland said
> >>>>> Crash wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about:
> >>>>>> Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes
> >>>>>> on the rich, Krugman too!
> >>>>>>> Crash wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
> >>>>>>>> increase taxes on the rich:
> >>>>>>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
> >> .................snip
> >>
> >>> Did you have a point?
> >>
> >> Yep. Yer grabbing at straws.
> >> But it's kinda cute:
> >>
> >
> > Not as cute as getting your political convictions from an
> > entertainer. What's next? Thinking of becoming a
> > Scientologist
> > because Tom Cruise is such a fan?
> >
> > LOL!
>
> If your intent is to make yourself look incredibly stupid,
> you have succeeded.
I find it impossible to discern whether these guys
are really that incredibly stupid, or if they just
think their fellow Republicans are incredibly stupid,
and will swallow that swill, any swill will do.
Felix D.
"Sal Video" <svi...@access.com> wrote in message
news:YLKck.1149$zv7...@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Yeah and he's also a political commentator who's taken seriously enought
> to be paid for making speeches and write books about politics. But when he
> says someting you don't like... he's a comedian.
So you like higher taxes? If that's the way you feel, step right up and send
as much of your money as you want to the government. Let the rest of us keep
what we work so hard to earn.
Gray Ghost
news:m7SdnZ7mWtdf8u7V...@pghconnect.com:
Progressive taxation as a concept was proposed by Karl Marx the economic
Satan. Progressive taxation is immoral and wrong no matter who suggests it or
endorses it. It is punishing the succesful for being successful. Hardly a
rational position.
Frank
Gray Ghost
$mh5....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com:
If Gates, Buffett and (convicted criminal) Soros feel so strongly about it,
they are certainly free to come up with ways to redistribute their wealth
without having the government do so for a small handling chage of 60%.
Frank
Gray Ghost
The fact that the wealthy feel guilt about thier wealth is not my problem. As
usual the extrmees are used to make the case without regard to the average
that is affected and damaged.
Frank
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.datemas.de:
Fifth Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his
preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it
without losing face the chance of him denigrating the intelligence of the
poster approaches infinity.
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.datemas.de:
If you took 100% of the wealth of the top 20% of taxpayers I think it would
balance the budget for a week at best.
>>
>> Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any
>> money. You
>> want to get even with others, who are more capable than you.
>
> Maybe you are someone who doesn't understand that financing
> the budget by borrowing money from China has resulted in a
> falling dollar. A falling dollar means that things we
> import are more expensive. Things like oil.
Balancing the budget on the backs of the taxpayers is dishonest and
destructive.
It's interesting that the budget balancers NEVER talk about radically reducing
expenditures. And scream like 4 year olds whenever cuts of any type are
proposed.
Maybe the sheep are tired of being fleeced.
Frank
Lamont Cranston
I seriously doubt that you are earning over $300,000 a year.
Those are the only people who are being discussed for higher
taxes. Most people will get tax cuts.
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.datemas.de:
Yeah, just like Bill Clinton promised.
Taxing the income of workers is nothing but a punishment and a method for
controlling thier behavior by denieing them the fruits of thier labor. If you
took 100% of the income of everyone you still wouldn't make a dent in the
budget but would impoverish everyone.
Income taxes are a great evil and the proponents of them are wrongheaded and
evil.
Frank
Lamont Cranston
> Sam Buckland <not...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Crash wrote:
>> > Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
>> > increase taxes on the rich:
>> > "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>> >
>> > =============
>> > LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not
>> > paying
>> > their fair share in taxes.
>> >
>> > STEIN: I could not agree more.
>>
>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
>
> though, and
> had his own TV show. Before all of that he was an
> economist, a
> lawyer, and has taught at American University, UC Santa
> Cruz, and
> Pepperdine. He was a lawyer and speech writer for
> Presidents Nixon
> and Ford, and a columnist and editorial writer for The
> Wall Street
> Journal. He didn't get into acting until Ferris Bueller's
> Day Off in
> 1985.
Now, don't get Sam all confused with pesky facts. He is
among the willfully ignorant and is damn proud of it.
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Gray Ghost said about:
Krugman too!
> "Sal Video" <svi...@access.com> wrote in
> news:ZQLck.22719$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
> > I
> > "Marinus van der Lubbe" <mv...@reichstagsbrand.de> wrote in message
> > news:cgLck.14584$mh5....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >> Crash wrote:
> >>> Sam Buckland said
> >>>> Crash wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about: Re: Even CONSERVATIVES
..............snip
> >> Saying conservatives would support a tax increase is probably wrong. It
> >> is the rich of this country who have come out against these tax cuts.
> >> Gates, Buffett, Soros have complained the most for the same reason many
> >
> >
> >
> > "Without the estate tax, you in effect will have an aristocracy of
> > wealth,
> > which means you pass down the ability to command the resources of the
> > nation based on heredity rather than merit," Buffett told the New York
> > Times in 2001. "[Repeal would be like] choosing the 2020 Olympic team by
> > picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics."
Good analogy. Some hyperbole perhaps, but it makes
the point.
Another point. If Repubs get their way, the only thing
left to be taxed will be work. ...salaries, wages, etc...
...so of course those taxes will have to go up to make up.
Why? No free lunch.
Why discourage honest work in America??
Sure taxcut Repubs only want more free lunches, but
please try to be rational and more responsible.
There IS: No free lunch.
> > Buffett also joined a campaign in 2001 to preserve the estate tax
> > alongside 119 other wealthy Americans, including George Soros and Bill
> > Gates' father, William H. Gates, Sr..
> The fact that the wealthy feel guilt about thier wealth is not my problem.
Oh but it is. Since YOU are the one who
created that straw man argument. "Guilt!"
laff. Right.
> As usual the extrmees
> are used to make the case without regard to the average
> that is affected and damaged. > Frank
As usual, you recite emotional platitudes and talking points
rather than deal with the logic and arguments being made.
(I could as easily accuse you being jealous of Gates etc,
but I don't NEED cheap shots to make my point.)
And those arguments you avoid speak directly to "the
average that is affected and damaged."
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Crash said
> Gray Ghost said
.................snip
> > > Buffett also joined a campaign in 2001 to preserve the estate tax
> > > alongside 119 other wealthy Americans, including George Soros and Bill
> > > Gates' father, William H. Gates, Sr..
>
> > The fact that the wealthy feel guilt about thier wealth is not my problem.
>
> Oh but it is. Since YOU are the one who
> created that straw man argument. "Guilt!"
> laff. Right.
Here's a little tip for you Righties.
Ever wonder why Dems have been proven
right on almost every single issue since
Bush took office?
...it's cuz you Righties are so eager to assume
that those who disagree with your world view
are subhuman. Saddam's WMD, the economy, whatever.
Here it's your assumption that "the wealthy feel
guilt about thier wealth." That (like Saddam
hiding WMD, yet inviting unlimited inspectors)
would be silly. Less than you. Subhuman.
Or terrorists hate America because...whatever
weirdness you buy into.
No, it's cuz:
headline:
Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight
Page A01 Washington Post
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html
The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for
violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of
potential terrorists around the world whose numbers may be
increasing faster than the United States and its allies can
reduce the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded.
[The National Intelligence Estimate] concludes that, rather
than contributing to eventual victory in the global
counterterrorism struggle, **the situation in Iraq** has
**worsened** the U.S. position.
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Gray Ghost said
> > I seriously doubt that you are earning over $300,000 a year.
> > Those are the only people who are being discussed for higher
> > taxes. Most people will get tax cuts.
> Taxing the income of workers is nothing but a punishment and a method for
> controlling thier behavior by denieing them the fruits of thier labor.
Yet if Repubs get their way, everything will be untaxed
EXCEPT the income of workers. It's called trickle down
economics or: Reaganomics.
Trickle down economics is more broad policy and attitude
than tax system:
========== Trickle-down economics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
""Trickle-down economics" and "trickle-down theory," is a
term used to classify **economic policies** perceived to benefit
the wealthy and then "trickle-down" to the middle and lower
classes."
"The theory states that if the top income earners
invest more into the business infrastructure and equity markets,
it will in turn lead to more goods at lower prices, and create
more jobs for middle and lower class individuals."
"Today "trickle-down economics" is most closely identified
with the economic policies known as Reaganomics or supply-side
economics. "
" It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so
the supply-side formula was the only way to get a
tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side
is 'trickle-down' theory. [6] - David Stockman,
Ronald Reagan's budget director"
===========end wiki excerpts, emphasis mine.
Since trickle-down economics is more broad policy and attitude
than tax system, it includes being against the wants of employees
in favor of the wants of employers. Hence, anti-minimum wage,
anti-environment, anti-freedom, anti-union, anti-freedom, etc.
Why anti-freedom? There is no more totalitarian system
than corporate stucture. Think about it.
"We stand for the maintenance of private property.... We
shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather
the sole possible economic order."
--- Adolf Hitler, "Der Fuehrer", 1926 (or p. 287, U.S. edition)
"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
Words mean something.
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On 08 Jul 2008, RussellT said about:
Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
Krugman too!
> "Crash" wrote in message
> news:m7SdnZzmWtdo-O7V...@pghconnect.com...
I don't. Only for the very rich. Why?
Unlike Republicans, we hate drowning in
debt to foreign nations, and we don't
believe in a free lunch.
I short, Dems are responsible, Repubs are
like little kids...the same kind of citizens
the founding fathers warned would bring down
a democracy. ...which is why they made it a
republic. Guess they never predicted politicians
who cared more about getting elected than they
care for America.
Ben Franklin said,
'I think that we must accept this constitution,
with all of its flaws, it will at least provide
good government for a number of years.'
And here's the chilling part, which is left out of all of our
school books. He said,
'This constitution will fail, as others have before it,
due to the corruption of the people who, once they have become
totally corrupt, will turn to despotism because only a despot
can govern them.'"
>
> Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any money. You want to
> get even with others, who are more capable than you.
You have yer silly talking points down
dont you, you little irresposible free-luncher.
Crash
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Sam Buckland said about:
Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich,
Krugman too!
> RussellT wrote:
> > "Crash" wrote
..............snip
> > Why do you want taxes to go up?
> >
> > Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any money. You want to
> > get even with others, who are more capable than you.
> >
> >
>
> That's basically it... they simply want to try and "punish" people
> who are more successful and content than they are. It's sad, really.
Yep, that must be it. Everybody who disagrees
with you can't have reason, they are subhuman.
You guys are so superior! Sigh.
Why do Dems want to pull out of Iraq?
The 30-page April National Intelligence Estimate is titled:
"Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States."
Headline:
Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight
Page A01 Washington Post
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html
The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for
violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of
potential terrorists around the world whose numbers may be
increasing faster than the United States and its allies can
reduce the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded.
It concludes that, rather than contributing to eventual
victory in the global counterterrorism struggle, the situation in
Iraq has worsened the U.S. position.
Yep. We are losing the Republican's so-called war on terrorism.
...making it worse, in fact.
U.S. Spy Agencies Say Terrorists Love Republicans !
Peter Kelsey
Hmmm.
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,010 for "comedian ben stein". (0.25 seconds)
Sam Buckland
As we suspected, it looks like "Drooling Idiot" was aptly named...
Felix D.
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote in message
news:g509s2$s1n$1...@news.datemas.de...
And all the rich have to do is move their money and point of income
elsewhere. Take a look at California if you don't think this is true.
Today's "global economy" only facilitates such transfers.
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.datemas.de:
Yes becuase you know what evil lurks in the hearts of men, right?
Frank
Gray Ghost
news:w_adnRbYvNSvUe7V...@pghconnect.com:
If this was true why is it that spending has gne up consistently over the and
every attempted spending cut, program reduction or elemination is met with
screaming cries of horror by Democrats.
The day comes when Democrats start cutting programs in a meaningful way and
stop spending MY money on unconstitutional, unproductive programs and bribing
thier constiuencies I'll believe it.
The only thing the Repubs are guilty of are not having the spine to support
thier platform always trying to be Democrat lite.
Frank
Sam Buckland
> by the way?). The first two were written by Ben Stein. The phrase
> "comedian ben stein" never showed up. As a matter of fact, the word
> "comedian" wasn't found anywhere in either article. The third one someone
> else (probably some idiot like you two) called him a comedian. That
> doesn't make him one any more than when your mothers called you human made
> you so.
And the OTHER 2007, you drooling idiot??
ROFLMAO!!
4114 Dead
<Russell...@telus.net> wrote:
>"Crash" <see.m...@theBeach.edu> wrote in message
>news:m7SdnZzmWtdo-O7V...@pghconnect.com...
>>
>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
>> increase taxes on the rich:
>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>>
>> =============
>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
>> their fair share in taxes.
>>
>Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any money. You want to
>get even with others, who are more capable than you.
Run along, little troll. Play your class warrior games somewhere
else.
>
>
--
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Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:54:55 GMT, "RussellT"
><Russell...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any money. You want to
>>get even with others, who are more capable than you.
>
>Run along, little troll. Play your class warrior games somewhere
>else.
<ROTFLMAO> ...Zepp recognizes when somebody identifies him and he
doesn't like it.. He is, indeed, a loser who can't make any money and
wants to get even with others who are more capable.
Lamont Cranston
Move the "point of income" elsewhere? Unless you physically
move the place where you perform your work, that is not
legally possible.
> Take a look at California if you don't think this is true.
California?
> Today's "global economy" only facilitates such transfers.
We are talking about income, not funds tranfers.
Felix D.
"4114 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:lh1774pbdihgem78d...@4ax.com...
>>Envy, jealousy? Maybe you are a loser, who can't make any money. You want
>>to
>>get even with others, who are more capable than you.
>
> Run along, little troll. Play your class warrior games somewhere
> else.
LOL! Yep - you've got a bad case of envy
Felix D.
"Rudy Canoza" <pi...@thedismalscience.noot> wrote in message
news:qqidnZUoT5N0yunV...@earthlink.com...
> Crash wrote:
>> about: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the rich, Krugman
>> too!
>
> Krugman is not a conservative. He isn't really even an economist, despite
> his Ph.D. from MIT. Krugman does not "do" economics; he does leftist
> politics.
Never forget that Krugman was Ken Lay's "advisor" at Enron. Krugman has
never gotten over the fact that when Kenny called the White House looking
for help, no one answered the phone. Kenny did the perp walk and Krugman was
out of a job and he still blames his unemployment on George Bush.
Felix D.
> Felix D. wrote:
>> And all the rich have to do is move their money and point of income
>> elsewhere.
>
> Move the "point of income" elsewhere? Unless you physically move the
> place where you perform your work, that is not legally possible.
>
>
>> Take a look at California if you don't think this is true.
>
> California?
Yes - California depends heavily on personal income taxes and lot of
California millionaires have simply bought a home at Incline Village right
over the line in Nevada. They still have their businesses, but since they
live in Nevada, they don't pay CA's taxes. And when this happens, the
politicians blame Proposition 13 for their troubles trying to balance the
budget.
Felix D.
"Christopher Helms" <Chrish...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9bc79dbe-f56c-47a0...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
His addiction to Republican Kool-Aid has pretty much nullified all
that stuff. You wouldn't think a man who has done that much in life
would easily fall for the mindless, bumper sticker garbage Ann Coulter
and Rush Limbaugh are constantly spewing forth, but fall for it he
does.
******************************
Or like watching the Obamatons in the presence of their messiah. Or those
idiot Dems who still cling to the stolen elections idea or that John Kerry
really is a hero or that Medea Benjamin is worth listening to ...
No one's got a monopoly on the kool-aid, asshole, but you lefties drink it a
lot more than other people.
znuybv
> Crash wrote:
> > Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
> > increase taxes on the rich:
> > "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>
> > =============
> > LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not paying
> > their fair share in taxes.
>
> > STEIN: I could not agree more.
>
> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
The key phrase to me was when Ben said, ...the REALLY rich." I know
that Ben would not believe me to be among the really rich but I know
that the Democrats would treat me like they treat the REALLY rich.
P.S. I'm not really rich. not even close.
Steve
wrote:
I never knew that... thanks for the information.. it really puts
Krugman's nonsense drivel in perspective.
Ron Hamilton
You never knew it because it isn't true. Krugman still is completely
full of shit, but the accusation that Krugman had any connection with
Kenneth Lay at Enron, other than as a harsh critic of the company in his
columns in the New York Times, is baseless.
Christopher Helms
<Lamont.Crans...@intheshadows.com> wrote:
> Sam Buckland wrote:
> > Crash wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008, Sam Buckland said about:
> >> Re: Even CONSERVATIVES say to increase taxes on the
> >> rich,
> >> Krugman too!
>
> >>> Crash wrote:
> >>>> Even BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR says to
> >>>> increase taxes on the rich:
> >>>> "I think Mr. Obama has it dead right."
>
> >>>> =============
> >>>> LARRY KING: You have said, Ben, that the rich are not
> >>>> paying
> >>>> their fair share in taxes.
>
> >>>> STEIN: I could not agree more.
> >>> You DO know Stein is a comedian, don't you? (Not a
> >>> particularly GOOD one, but still...)
>
>
> >> Are you saying he's a liar? ...or has his facts wrong?
>
> > He's a comedian. He'll say ANYTHING for a laugh!
>
> You're a moron. You'll say ANYTHING to make yourself look
> stupid.
>
> Stein graduated from Columbia University in 1966 with honors
> in economics. He graduated from Yale Law School in 1970 as
> valedictorian of his class by election of his classmates. He
> studied in the graduate school of economics at Yale. He
> worked as an economist at The Department of Commerce, a
> poverty lawyer in New Haven and Washington, D.C., a trial
> lawyer in the field of trade regulation at the Federal Trade
> Commission in Washington, D.C., a university adjunct at
> American University in Washington, D.C., at the University
> of California at Santa Cruz, and at Pepperdine University in
> Malibu. At American U. He taught about the political and
> social content of mass culture. He taught the same subject
> at UCSC, as well as about political and civil rights under
> the Constitution. At Pepperdine, he has taught about libel
> law and about securities law and ethical issues since 1986.
Lamont Cranston
Again, one pays taxes in the state in which one works, not
the state in which one lives. So, you are simply wrong.
Lamont Cranston
Unemployment? Krugman isn't unemployed and has never been
unemployed since getting his Ph.D. He is a columnist for
the New York Times and is professor of Economics and
International Affairs at Princeton University. He has
taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. At MIT he was the Ford
International Professor of Economics. He has written 20
books. He really is an economist despite the lies of Rudy.
Your Ken Lay story is a fabrication.
Lamont Cranston
Of course, you didn't know it -- it is a fabrication.
Krugman is a very accomplished economist who has taught at
Yale, MIT, Stanford, and Princeton.
Steve
Sorry...
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2002/nf20020124_4788.htm
" Even the wonks had ties to Enron, it turns out. The company paid
Paul Krugman, an economist and editorial columnist at The New York
Times, $50,000 to serve on its advisory committee, a group of
political and academic figures assembled to advise the energy giant on
everything from Presidential politics to energy markets."
Steve
wrote:
Actually, I did a quick check before I responded. You should have
done that. Krugman was indeed a paid advisor to Enron. The following
is from Business week.
Steve
...and, it seems, serve on Enron's advisory committee...
4114 Dead
<Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
Wow. These right wing loons will say (and believe!) anything.
Steve
wrote:
Krugman was an adviser to Enron.
Lamont Cranston
Yep. Free money. $50K here, $50K there -- pretty soon it
adds up to real money.
Felix D.
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
news:a47a74lem1137jqkl...@4ax.com...
>>You never knew it because it isn't true. Krugman still is completely
>>full of shit, but the accusation that Krugman had any connection with
>>Kenneth Lay at Enron, other than as a harsh critic of the company in his
>>columns in the New York Times, is baseless.
>
> Actually, I did a quick check before I responded. You should have
> done that. Krugman was indeed a paid advisor to Enron. The following
> is from Business week.
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2002/nf20020124_4788.htm
Thank you: you beat me to it.
Felix D.
All you need do is "google" his name and all sorts of stuff comes up that
shows you're a dim witted puke who doesn't know what to say unless his
liberal overlords whisper it in his ear.
>
Felix D.
LOL! So I tell my accountant to cut my pay check through my Nevada branch
office (which just happens to be the studio in my home) and CA gets nothing
and you look foolish again.
(Try thinking your responses all the way through sometime: you'll post less
and won't look anywhere near as stupid.)
Steve
wrote:
>
The Usenet lefties have a big problem with reality when it contradicts
their leftist fantasies. They also have a tendency to come up with
kneejerk stupid reactions like we see here with the krugman/Enron
connection.. They'll spurt out their objections before doing any
research...
Lamont Cranston
There is nothing there about Krugman being Ken Lay's
advisor. There is nothing there about Lay calling the White
House looking for help and not getting it. There is nothing
there about Lay doing a "perp walk," whatever that is.
There is nothing there about Krugman being out of a job and
still blaming his unemployment on George Bush.
So, as I said, the Ken Lay story is a fabrication.
Lamont Cranston
There is nothing there about Krugman being Ken Lay's
advisor. There is nothing there about Lay calling the White
House looking for help and not getting it. There is nothing
there about Lay doing a "perp walk," whatever that is.
There is nothing there about Krugman being out of a job and
Lamont Cranston
There is nothing there about Krugman being Ken Lay's
Lamont Cranston
Yes, all you need to do is "google" his name and all sorts
of stuff come up. Stuff like the fact that Krugman isn't
unemployed and has never been unemployed since getting his
Ph.D. Stuff like the fact that he is a columnist for the
New York Times and is professor of Economics and
International Affairs at Princeton University. Stuff like
he has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. Stuff like at MIT
he was
the Ford International Professor of Economics. Stuff like
he has written 20 books. Stuff like he really is an
economist despite the lies of Rudy. Stuff like your Ken Lay
story is a fabrication. That kind of stuff. It all shows
that you are simply another retarded conservative scumbag
(is there any other kind?) who doesn't know his ass from
Larry Craig's dick.
Lamont Cranston
No contradictions have been forthcoming. Sucks to be you,
huh?
Lamont Cranston
You owe income taxes to the state in which you work. Where
you have your check cut is irrelevant. What you have
suggested is quite illegal. Not that illegalities ever
bother you assholes.
>
> (Try thinking your responses all the way through sometime:
> you'll
> post less and won't look anywhere near as stupid.)
I have always believed that you retarded conservative
scumbags have no respect for the law. Thanks for confirming
it.
Felix D.
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> Sorry...
>>
>> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2002/nf20020124_4788.htm
> There is nothing there about Krugman being Ken Lay's advisor. There is
> nothing there about Lay calling the White House looking for help and not
> getting it. There is nothing there about Lay doing a "perp walk,"
> whatever that is. There is nothing there about Krugman being out of a job
> and still blaming his unemployment on George Bush.
>
> So, as I said, the Ken Lay story is a fabrication.
You've got those blinders on tight, son. Obama's your boy, right?
Felix D.
LOL! My office is in Nevada, and I run my company (with offices in
California) from there. I don't pay a dime to CA -and that's the entire
point!
Lamont, you've got your fingers in your ears and hands over your eyes.
Typical liberal.
<flush>
Lamont Cranston
Thanks for admitting that the Ken Lay story is a complete
fabrication.
Steve
You really think Business Week fabricated the story about Krugman
being an advisor to Enron?
Steve
<Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
errr, Ken Lay was the CEO of Enron and Krugman was an advisor to
Enron..... according to Business Week in the cite that I posted,
Dummy. You should learn to read....
Steve
<Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
You really think Business Week fabricated the story about Krugman
being an advisor to Enron?
Denial does not sere you very well...
Steve
Lamont Cranston
If you do any work in California, you owe income tax to
California. If you have offices in California, anybody
doing work in those offices owes income tax to California.
>
> Lamont, you've got your fingers in your ears and hands
> over your eyes.
You are nothing more than a common criminal.
> Typical liberal.
Typical tax-evading criminal conservative.
Felix D.
"Steve" wrote in message news:4lec74pavpb7tv466...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:07:21 -0700, "Lamont Cranston" wrote:
>>So, as I said, the Ken Lay story is a fabrication.
>
> You really think Business Week fabricated the story about Krugman
> being an advisor to Enron?
He has to. When one drinks his political milk from The Grey Lady's tit,
there's a lot of inconvenient facts that somehow must be ignored.
Lamont Cranston
The issue was not about whether Krugman was an advisor to
Enron, dickweed. The issue was about the fabricated story
that you posted:
"Never forget that Krugman was Ken Lay's "advisor" at Enron.
Krugman has never gotten over the fact that when Kenny
called the White House looking for help, no one answered the
phone. Kenny did the perp walk and Krugman was out of a job
and he still blames his unemployment on George Bush."
You are simply a fucking liar.
Lamont Cranston
The issue was not about whether Krugman was an advisor to
Enron. The issue was about the fabricated story that
fuckhead Felix posted:
Lamont Cranston
So, according to what you posted, dumbshit, the story was a
fabrication.
Steve
<Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
>Felix D. wrote:
>> "Steve" wrote in message
>> news:4lec74pavpb7tv466...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:07:21 -0700, "Lamont Cranston"
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>So, as I said, the Ken Lay story is a fabrication.
>>>
>>> You really think Business Week fabricated the story about
>>> Krugman
>>> being an advisor to Enron?
>>
>> He has to. When one drinks his political milk from The
>> Grey Lady's
>> tit, there's a lot of inconvenient facts that somehow must
>> be ignored.
>
>The issue was not about whether Krugman was an advisor to
>Enron, dickweed. The issue was about the fabricated story
>that you posted:
Poor lefties can't read the facts, and when they do, they deny them.
Krugman was an advisor to Enron.
Steve
<Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
Yea it as...
>The issue was about the fabricated story that
>fuckhead Felix posted:
There was no fabrication, Krugman was an advisor to Enron.
Buck Mulligan
<Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
>Typical tax-evading criminal conservative.
Here's another typical tax-evading conservative...
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/05/020426.php
"We've covered the tax and legal compliance problems of Minnesota
Democratic Senatorial candidate Al Franken over the past few weeks.
First came the revelation of his failure to pay workers' compensation
insurance in New York. Then came the revelation of his failure to file
corporate tax returns in California. This week it was revealed that
Franken owes $70,000 in back taxes in 17 states."
Gray Ghost
news:vhoh74p29er0u9cvn...@4ax.com:
Apparenlty Al is a Big, Fat Tax Evader.
Frank
Lamont Cranston
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:20:13 -0700, "Lamont Cranston"
> <Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
>
>>Felix D. wrote:
>>> "Steve" wrote in message
>>> news:4lec74pavpb7tv466...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:07:21 -0700, "Lamont Cranston"
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>So, as I said, the Ken Lay story is a fabrication.
>>>>
>>>> You really think Business Week fabricated the story
>>>> about
>>>> Krugman
>>>> being an advisor to Enron?
>>>
>>> He has to. When one drinks his political milk from The
>>> Grey Lady's
>>> tit, there's a lot of inconvenient facts that somehow
>>> must
>>> be ignored.
>>
>>The issue was not about whether Krugman was an advisor to
>>Enron, dickweed. The issue was about the fabricated story
>>that you posted:
>
> Poor lefties can't read the facts, and when they do, they
> deny them.
> Krugman was an advisor to Enron.
Poor rightards can't read at all. Here is the fabrication:
"Never forget that Krugman was Ken Lay's "advisor" at Enron.
Krugman has never gotten over the fact that when Kenny
called the White House looking for help, no one answered the
phone. Kenny did the perp walk and Krugman was out of a job
and he still blames his unemployment on George Bush."
Nothing in that fabrication is true.
Lamont Cranston
> In talk.politics.guns "Lamont Cranston"
> <Lamont....@intheshadows.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Typical tax-evading criminal conservative.
>
> Here's another typical tax-evading conservative...
Off topic.
Lamont Cranston
Nope, it wasn't.
>
>>The issue was about the fabricated story that
>>fuckhead Felix posted:
>
> There was no fabrication, Krugman was an advisor to
> Enron.
>
There was a total fabrication. Here it is: "Never forget