An example of just how hate filled the right wing neoconfederates really are.
Gandalf Grey
lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your Republican
Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
Using Bible Quote to Pray That Obama's 'Days Be Few'
By Amanda Terkel, Think Progress
Posted on November 20, 2009, Printed on November 20, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/144098/
The newest far-right craze is an anti-Obama slogan that is making its
way onto t-shirts, bumper stickers, mugs, and even teddy bears: "Pray for
Obama: Psalm 109:8," which reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take
his office." The meme is also taking off on Twitter, with conservatives
calling it "hilarious." Commentators have noted that it's unclear whether
the intent is to hope for an end to Obama's time in office - or an end to
his life. But a look at the lines in the rest of the psalm hint at the
latter:
Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek
their bread also out of their desolate places.
Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers
spoil his labor.
Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any
to favor his fatherless children.
Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let
their name be blotted out.
Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let
not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the
memory of them from the earth.
Diana Butler Bass at Beliefnet explains that Psalm 109 is one of the
"imprecatory" prayers, "a lament in the form of petition to destroy one's
enemies." While perhaps intended to be a joke, she notes that the psalm
actually "entreats God to destroy the president":
It is the personal prayer of an individual, someone who has been
dealt an injustice by another-and usually more powerful-person. The words of
Psalm 109 are those of deep agony, the longings of a victim for retribution
and justice. This psalm is considered one of the most difficult of all the
psalms-full of violent images of vengeance and death.
Quite a few of the "Pray for Obama" items are being sold at
CafePress.com, although many of them have been taken off of the site (here's
a cached version of some of them). Cafe Press representative Margene H. told
ThinkProgress that while the site took down some of the "Pray for Obama"
items today, it is now in the process of reinstating them:
We initially pulled the Psalm 109:8 content from our products today
because broader media dialog indicated that these designs potentially
suggested violence towards the president. Based on current public discourse
and further review of the actual content, we have determined that it is fair
political commentary and we are in the process of reinstating this
merchandise. As with all of our content, these designs will continue to be
reviewed and if at any time their meaning is construed as advocating
violence we will revisit our decision.
On Tuesday, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow spoke with "Patience With God"
author Frank Schaeffer, who said that while the psalm was "frightening" in a
secular context, it's even "more threatening" in a biblical context. Here's
an excerpt:
Maddow: "Let his days be few; and let another take his office," "Let
his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." This is such strong
language in secular terms about President Obama. Can you tell me if this
means something less threatening to people hearing this in a biblical
context?
Schaeffer: No, actually, it means something more threatening. I think
the situation that I find genuinely frightening right now is that you have a
ramping up of biblical language-language from the antiabortion movement, for
instance, death panels and this sort of thing. And what it's coalescing
into is branding Obama as Hitler, as they've already called him, as
something foreign to our shores. We're reminded of that. He's born in
Kenya-as brown, as black, above all, as not us. He is Sarah Palin's not a
real American.
But now, it turns out, that he joins the ranks of the unjust kings of
ancient Israel, unjust rulers, to which all these biblical illusions are
directed who should be slaughtered, if not by God, then by just men.
So, there's a direct parallel here with Timothy McVeigh's t-shirt on
the day of the Oklahoma City bombing in which he said that the tree of
liberty had to be watered occasionally by the blood of tyrants. And that
quote, we saw again at a meeting at which Obama was present being carried on
a placard by someone carrying a loaded weapon.
What we're looking at right now is two things going on. We see the
evangelical groups that I talk about in my new book, "Patience with God,"
enthralled by an apocalyptic vision that I go into in some detail there.
They represent the millions of people who have turned the "Left Behind"
series into best sellers. Most of them are not crazy, they're just deluded.
But there is a crazy fringe to whom all these little messages that
have been pouring out of FOX News, now on a bumper sticker, talking about
doing away with Obama, asking God to kill him.
Really, this is trolling for assassins. And this is serious business.
It's un-American. It's unpatriotic.
And it goes to show that the religious right, the Republican far
right, have coalesced into a group that truly want American revolution. And
if it turns out to be blood in the streets and death, so be it. This is not
funny stuff anymore. They cannot be dismissed as just crazies on the
fringe. It only takes one.
You know, look at "The Boston Globe" article a few weeks ago saying
that the threat level faced by the Secrete Service has gone up 400 percent,
higher than any other time in 52 years for any president, Democrat or
Republican. These are no jokes.
And as I talk about in "Patience with God," if you trace these origins
back to this paranoid, evangelical group, of which me and my father, sadly,
were not only leaders, but leaders in the '70s and '80s, the foot soldiers
that people like Dick Armey and others are using now to push their political
agenda onto health care, are also people that have within their ranks,
people, such as the person who murdered Dr. Tiller and killed three police
officers in Pittsburgh because they thought Obama would take away their
guns.
This bumper sticker simply says to them: "It's open season."
Maddow: And to be clear-I mean, over-the-top political criticism is as
American as apple pie. And incredibly intense criticism has been lobbied
against George W. Bush and against every president that's gone before modern
times. But you're saying that there's essentially a religious inflection in
the most extreme of the commentary against Obama, that sort-that's operating
on a religious level, that's a signal to a religiously-minded audience.
Schaeffer: Absolutely. Look, this is the American version of the
Taliban. The Taliban quotes the Quran and al Qaeda quotes certain verses in
the Quran, in and out of context, calling for jihad and bloody war and the
curse of Allah on infidels.
This is the Old Testament biblical equivalent of calling for "Holy
War." Now, most Americans will just see the bumper sticker and smile and
think that it's facetious. Unfortunately, there are 22 million Americans or
so who just call themselves super-conservative evangelicals. Of this, a
small minority might be violent, but the general atmosphere here is really
getting heated.
And what surprises me is that responsible-if you can put it that
way-Republican leadership and the editors of some of these Christian
magazines, et cetera, et cetera, do not stand-up in holy hour (ph) and
denounce this.
You know, they're always asking, "Where is the Islamic leadership
denouncing terrorism? Why aren't the moderates speaking out?" Well, I
challenge the folks who I used to work with, that I talk about in my book,
"Patience with God," and I would just say to them, "Where the hell are you?
This is not funny anymore. And be it on your head if something happens to
our president, if you are going to go around supporting and not speaking out
against this stuff.
It's just not a question of who's doing it. The bigger question is:
Where are the people speaking out against these things? I don't hear those
voices raised in the evangelical fundamentalist community. And until I do,
I-and my opinion is, they are culpable.
One last thing on this, I think it points at the fact that Obama
supporters, of which I have been one since he began running, have better
start speaking up in support of him and not sniping at him all the time
because he's not moving toward change as fast as we'd like in every area.
This is serious stuff. The chips are down. He has real enemies. Some of
them are violent.
And as far as I'm concerned, it's time to support our president, stand
with him, and not only wish him the best, but as a believing Christian
myself, pray for his safety in the face of these religious maniacs, who
every day, you know, one time I was on your show awhile back and they were
talking about, "Is he the antichrist?" Now, they are asking he's an unjust
ruler and they're asking God to strike him down. There are very not many
steps left on this insane path.
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Get lost
Gandalf Grey wrote:
> Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening. Please say
> lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your Republican
> Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
Liking someone is no reason to let them run bad economic programs and
ruin countless lives with false hope.
Gandalf Grey
"Get lost" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And not liking someone is no reason to pray for their death.
Phlip
So using religious zealotry to bring warfare and death to us (you know
- Jihad) is okay if the religion is Christian?
Werner
> Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening. Please say
> lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your Republican
> Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>
Try to remember, Bush was the object of left wing hate, and still is.
What goes around comes around.
Gandalf Grey
"Werner" <whet...@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 6:22 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening. Please say
> lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your
> Republican
> Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>
> ...
^ Try to remember, Bush was the object of left wing hate, and still is.
What goes around comes around.
Try to remember that Bush was NOT the subject of prayers inviting his
assassination. So stop the lying, you pathetic toady.
f. barnes
> Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening. Please say
> lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your Republican
> Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>
> Using Bible Quote to Pray That Obama's 'Days Be Few'
I don't know if you can convict somebody on charges of hiring God as a
hit man. Could God be subpoenaed to testify?
> political, human ...
>
> read more »
Gandalf Grey
"f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 5:22 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening. Please say
> lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your
> Republican
> Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>
> Using Bible Quote to Pray That Obama's 'Days Be Few'
^ I don't know if you can convict somebody on charges of hiring God as a
hit man. Could God be subpoenaed to testify?
And happily for you, there's no law against hate filled psychopaths like you
sitting back and cheerleading assassination threats against the President of
the United States.
> read more �
licent...@yahoo.com
> "Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
Of course not. Why? Because those who were and are so vocal
and disparaging about Bush are all Marxist Atheists.
No true Christian would make such a prayer. So where did you
dig up this bit of theological diatribe?
Gandalf Grey
<licent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 21, 11:41 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ce133abc-6e4e-4934...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 20, 6:22 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening. Please
> > say
> > lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also, call your
> > Republican
> > Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>
> > ...
>
> ^ Try to remember, Bush was the object of left wing hate, and still is.
> What goes around comes around.
>
> Try to remember that Bush was NOT the subject of prayers inviting his
> assassination. So stop the lying, you pathetic toady.
^ Of course not. Why? Because those who were and are so vocal
and disparaging about Bush are all Marxist Atheists.
^ No true Christian would make such a prayer.
Which must mean that the Christofascist movement in America is filled with
phony Christians-in-name-only who have nothing going for them but jingoism
and thoughts of murder.
Glad you cleared that up.
zzpat
Werner wrote:
>
> Try to remember, Bush was the object of left wing hate, and still is.
> What goes around comes around.
How can we forget?
Bush took us to war for no reason using intelligence less accurate
than a coin toss and then when shown he was wrong, stayed in that war
for years. On top of that, he spent trillions we didn't have and
created about five trillion dollars of unpaid debt.
Anyone who didn't think Bush was worthless had some serious issues
with reality.
Comparing a man who failed at everything he did to Obama is silly.
Only a fool suggests Bush's tax cuts, debt, war and economic ruin are
on the same level as Obama who's trying to get us out of the mess
created by Bush.
Gandalf Grey
"zzpat" <zzpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And even those who disagreed with his policies wouldn't be praying for the
President of the United States to be murdered. Even at the height of Bush's
war crimes, I know of no liberal group or liberal progressive leader calling
for Bush's death. Which leads to the obvious question of why the CHINOS
[Christians In Name Only] hate America so much?
>
5279 Dead, 412 since 1/20/09
> On Nov 21, 11:41 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ce133abc-6e4e-4934-ba73-
aceb34...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 20, 6:22 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening.
>> > Please say lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also,
>> > call your Republican
>> > Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>>
>> > ...
>>
>> ^ Try to remember, Bush was the object of left wing hate, and still is.
>> What goes around comes around.
>>
>> Try to remember that Bush was NOT the subject of prayers inviting his
>> assassination. So stop the lying, you pathetic toady.
>
> Of course not. Why? Because those who were and are so vocal and
> disparaging about Bush are all Marxist Atheists.
>
> No true Christian would make such a prayer. So where did you dig up this
> bit of theological diatribe?
The T-shirts care titled, "A Prayer for Obama: Psalm 109:8" which reads,
“Let his days be few; and let another take his office”. However, the rest
of the prayer make it clear that the death of Obama is what they want
“Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow”
http://www.examiner.com/x-17195-LA-Esoteric-History-Examiner~y2009m11d19-
Pray-for-Obama-tshirt-not-exactly-prayer-for-Obama
Gandalf Grey
"5279 Dead, 412 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote in message
news:96SdnczNQ4P455XW...@posted.carinet...
They're CHINOs [Christians In Name Only]. These so called "True Christians"
know exactly the murder that's being called for with that particular verse.
They want to eat their cake and have it as well. They'll continue to
cheerlead for the assassination of the President and then if it happens
they'll try to distance themselves from it publicly while privately being
overjoyed that their particular brand of hatred and racism had the power to
light the fuse of some sick murderous fucker. While they bloviate about
imaginary 'Marxism,' their hatred for America is so obvious that it
continues to turn the stomach of the typical American voter. We've always
known that there was a lunatic fringe in America. We now know that the
Christofascists richly deserve that dubious honor.
Werner
OK blah blah,,,
The issue is hate, not policy.
Steve
Heh, heh, heh, now that's funny...
Gandalf Grey
^ OK blah blah,,,
^ The issue is hate, not policy.
And the haters are Christofascist republicans inciting murder.
Dave Heil
What about this from Wikipedia?
quote
Death of a President, directed by Gabriel Range, is a 2006 British
mockumentary about the assassination of George W. Bush, the 43rd U.S.
President, on 19 October 2007 in Chicago, Illinois. By means of actors,
archival film footage and computer-generated special effects, the
assassination is the thematic beginning of serious discussions about
civil disobedience, racial profiling, the U.S. Government's reduction of
civil liberties, news sensationalism as agitational propaganda and the
theory of Just War.
The premiere showing was at the 2006 Toronto International Film Festival
on 10 September 2006, and in the UK, it was broadcast on More4 on 9
October, then on Channel 4 on 19 October 2006, a year to the day before
the assassination date in the film. It was broadcast in Finland on 18
October 2007, the assassination date's eve. In Japan, despite
governmental interference, the film was exhibited in cinemas on 6
October 2007.
quote
Tom Sr.
> Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > And even those who disagreed with his policies wouldn't be praying for the
> > President of the United States to be murdered. Even at the height of Bush's
> > war crimes, I know of no liberal group or liberal progressive leader calling
> > for Bush's death. Which leads to the obvious question of why the CHINOS
> > [Christians In Name Only] hate America so much?
> What about this from Wikipedia?
What about it, Heil?
> quote
> Death of a President, directed by Gabriel Range, is a 2006 British
> mockumentary about the assassination of George W. Bush, the 43rd U.S.
> President, on 19 October 2007 in Chicago, Illinois.
Does anyone in this film pray for W. Bush's death? Does it in anyway
*call* for the death of W. Bush?
No.
> By means of actors,
> archival film footage and computer-generated special effects, the
> assassination is the thematic beginning of serious discussions about
> civil disobedience, racial profiling, the U.S. Government's reduction of
> civil liberties, news sensationalism as agitational propaganda and the
> theory of Just War.
So the purpose of showing the *fictional* death of a US president --
the actual President at the time the film was made --
is used as a *dramatic* event to discuss important political issues in
the United States of America such as racism. civil rights, and the
theory of Just War?
That is the film's purpose as you yourself quoted, Heil! It uses a
*fictional* death of *dramatic* effect for the purpose of a
*discussion* of very real and vital political issues in American
politics. There is NOTHING in the film that demonstrates any hope or
desire for the *real* death of then-President Bush.
Yet you *believe*, Dave Heil, this is somehow the ethically-equal
behavior as praying to God to *MURDER* our President of the United
States of America?!
I clearly see any mature ethical understanding of this matter by you
is woefully lacking.
-Tom Sr.
Tom Sr.
> In article <T18Om.31413$X01.12...@newsfe07.iad>,
> "PepsiFr...@teranews.com" <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "miles" <n...@nopers.com> wrote in message
> >news:ar2Om.7129$cX4....@newsfe10.iad...
> > > PepsiFr...@teranews.com wrote:
> > You parroted that like a good little brain dead, "ditto-head" republican.
> > Do you have any thoughts that are both original, and true?
> --
> Talk about parrot and thoughts of your own, right after you wrote
> this????
> -
> > Obama is the object of right wing hate because:
> > That's all the republicans know and spew,
> > in the south, he's still "just a nigger" who should be hung for his
> > "uppityness",
> > to the gun fanatics, he's (according to republican lies) the scissors that's
> > going to emasculate them,
> > to people like Rush and Sarah - spewing hate (and sick lies) against him
> > means more popularity amongst the "inbred" crowd
> > To other republicans, he something they totally avoid, ignore and demonize
> > ........... the truth, etc. etc. etc..
> --
> Perhaps it might be a good idea to look in the mirror before you decide
> to reply.
> --
> Barock Insane Obama: The greatest joke America ever played on itself.
Ray wrote:
"Barock Insane Obama: The greatest joke America ever played on
itself."
-and-
"Perhaps it might be a good idea to look in the mirror before you
decide
to reply."
Ditto yourself, dittohead Republican.
-Tom Sr.
Gandalf Grey
"Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Don't bother with Heil. I killfiled him after I realized that all he's here
for is sniping and trolling. He has literally nothing to add to any
discussion.
Dave Heil
You don't discuss, Goofdorf. You steal copyrighted articles and post
them. You post-edit the efforts of others and change their words. You
call names. If you can't cow someone in that way, you say that you
killfile them.
You can't defend the movie.
licent...@yahoo.com
> <licentissi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
If true, and I don't believe it, they will be judged by God in the
end as you and I will be and not by feckless mortals like you.
So hold your tongue and try hard not to bear false witness
against your neighbors.
licent...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:33:54 -0800,licentissimuswrote:
> > On Nov 21, 11:41 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> >> news:ce133abc-6e4e-4934-ba73-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Nov 20, 6:22 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Regardless of where you stand politically, this is frightening.
> >> > Please say lots of prayers for the safety of our President. Also,
> >> > call your Republican
> >> > Senators and Representatives and ask them to condemn these actions.
>
> >> > ...
>
> >> ^ Try to remember, Bush was the object of left wing hate, and still is.
> >> What goes around comes around.
>
> >> Try to remember that Bush was NOT the subject of prayers inviting his
> >> assassination. So stop the lying, you pathetic toady.
>
> > Of course not. Why? Because those who were and are so vocal and
> > disparaging about Bush are all Marxist Atheists.
>
> > No true Christian would make such a prayer. So where did you dig up this
> > bit of theological diatribe?
>
> The T-shirts care titled, "A Prayer for Obama: Psalm 109:8" which reads,
> “Let his days be few; and let another take his office”. However, the rest
> of the prayer make it clear that the death of Obama is what they want
> “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow”
>
> Pray-for-Obama-tshirt-not-exactly-prayer-for-Obama- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is nothing so taken out of context and falsely
quoted as is the Bible.
licentissimus
wrote:
> In article <a1dbeca2-cd1d-4201-a6d7-7e60ac963...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> licentissi...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > If true, and I don't believe it, they will be judged by God in the
> > end as you and I will be and not by feckless mortals like you.
>
> want you to criticise the screamers. How convenient.
>
> > So hold your tongue and try hard not to bear false witness
> > against your neighbors.
>
> legal proceedings. They are not prohibitions against pointing out that CHINOs
> are not doing what Jesus would do.
>
> --
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. I'm whoever you want me to be.
> Silver silverware - Where is the love? At least I can stay in character.
> Oval swimming pool - Where is the love? Annoying Usenet one post at a time.
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. We support you, Sarah.
How do you know what Jesus would do?
Phlip
If the pro-Status Quo crowd had any legitimate answer to Obama's
reforms, they would not need to stir up the hate.
But go ahead and rant about free-market economics, and how Reaganomics
would work if we tried it juuust one more time. You will feel better.
Phlip
> > Using Bible Quote to Pray That Obama's 'Days Be Few'
>
> I don't know if you can convict somebody on charges of hiring God as a
> hit man. Could God be subpoenaed to testify?
I think we know whose side He would take here...
But making a death threat against the president is a felony, period.