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[Note to SCV: I am posting this article in English because I'm X-posting
this other ng's and I hate wrinting all the accent marks in comp.
Vietnamese :(. Plus, this post is somewhat prurient for this group but i
think many readers might identify with what I have to say.]

        I'm a regular poster on ASFO, and a lurker on a.s.gen-x, SCV,and
SCAA. But lately, I have had a few things to bitch about here on the
'net and IRL. It has to do with the way generation-Xers are looked at by
Baby Boomers and how non-asians look at us Asians, especially us females.
True, many ASFOers will point to my dirty posts as nothing better but
all of them are in jest. However, I'm going to take a seriuos note with  
this post. I see some things that I want to cover briefly first and then
delve into more deeply later.
        Everyday, I see or feel the disgust that Boomers have for me and
other "twentysomethings" (I'm 22 next month). It has never occured to
them that this generation is so disgusted with their hypocritical ways.
It gets even worse when you're asian and are expected to be some
supersmart being, or if you're a female, to be some good little sex-object.
        Maybe we should become apthetic like our white brethen. We deserve
to be. The way things are looking in Washington with Newt, it will get
worse for us Xers in the future. Or even in California with Prop 187-related
hatred.
        Funny, one moment Asians are the ones that white Boomers look to
when they get into some jam at work ("Orientals are such hard/good workers")
then they're the ones who get all the help in the world from Uncle Sam
("Those goddam orientals get all those free handouts from the government
when they get here!") Myth. All myth.
         Or even more amazing, is the stereotypes of AMs and AFs. The
males are either sexless, wimpy geeks or they're some gangster who wnats
to screw every white girl he sees becuase he has some fetish for "what he
can't have". With that in mind, any Gen-X AM who tries to buck the
prototype, gets labelled a sniveling, whining "Angry Asian Male". With us
females it's pretty straightforward. We're the meek, loving, loyal,
but sex-starved group who'll clean your house with out being told.
("asian women will take good care of you").

        I can't confess to understand what it's like to be white nor do I
want to browbeat whites either but White Baby Boomers need to grow up.
they're the power brokers who help to form the attitudes of this nation,
and they're doing nothing to bring racial harmony. GenXer's are doing a
better job of it.
        We need to drop the "hardworking oriental immigrants" picture.
Not all Asians here are immigrants; and this will explain why they object
to the label "oriental". Nor are we geeky FOBs who produce 4.0 GPAs.
We only look smarter than everyone else because it's our culture to bust
our buns to bring support to the group, to have pride in a job well done,
and to help out our families. When I came to the U.S. in 1980, I didn't
see the hardly anything for the Vietnamese except governmental help. I  
only got it because I was a refugee and not an immigrant. But 15 years later,
I see Vietnamese plugging away just like other Asian-Americans. But the ties
to my old countryare strong, I don't see any reason to slack off and piss off
my parents. But don't categorize us for that. We have a sense of pride
and responsiblity.
        And as for "handouts" isn't hard for somebody leaving everything
behind at home and not able to speak english to get some fancy job that
pays the bills. Why do you think  a lot of us live togehter in 2 bedroom
apartments when we first get here? And just like other Gen-Xers i live at
home for economic reasons--but I also live with my Aunt's family beacause
it's tradition to live at home (or in my case other relatives) until we get
married.
        I propose that Gen-X myth of slackerdom is a paradox when it
comes to Asians. I have a 2.9 GPA at school but my boss who's also
Vietnamese ( she was born here in 1955) and her white Baby Boomer co-workers
look at me as a freak because I'm asian but I have such a crappy
scholastic record.They tell also tell me that I don't know easy that I
have it. But then I later hear how such "hardworkers those orientals are".
Confusing? I don't get it either.    
        Speaking of work (and school), I hate how guys come up tell me
how they love to go out with Asian girls "becuase they're so gentle and
sweet girls". Oh, puh-leeze. We raised to respect and take care of our
husbands but come on, are all of us that way? Not even. A lot of us cheat
on our b.f.s, we're bitchy, and as agressive as any other race. Just
beacuse we're "oreintals" doesn't give us the market on niceness. Or even
sex for that matter. I don't know how many sex jokes that I have heard
from older white (or black, hispanic, etc.) maales as to our sexual
stamina or sexual hunger! Oh really? Race and sexual drive go hand-in-hand?
        Curious. Gen-x is "shit" but the boomers want us for sex? so much
for equality.
        As for the males. These poor guys are looked down upon by whites
as sexless weakling nerds. In fact, that helps the older white males to
further their claims of "Sex-starved horny Asian women". Oh please. To
add insult to injury, when an Asian male steps to a white woman he's
blasted by whites as a "banana who should stick to his own kind". Most of
my older non-asian female co-workers have the opinion that asian men
can't get it on in bed. "They're not manly enough. Since when have you
seen an asian guy with a white girl unless she's hard up." "Four inches
isn't enough." oh really? I know of about 9 or 10 WF/AM couples and
they're okay with each other.
        Wouldn't it be interesting to put us all in a dark room and
disguise our voices and see how much we all have in common?
        Sex, race, and age shouldn't matter to anyone. A lot of us may say  
it doesn't but deep down it does. It effects how we treat others, how we
do things, how we act when we see somebody walking down the street. Oh,
Boom can you see how we are so far behind the times? We're suppose to be
a higher race of aniamls. but are we? We fight at the drop of a hat
because of somebody's skincolor. We judge them as good or bad due to some
subconsciouss value system that we taught when we were young. Even us
Vietnamese aren't immune to this. The typical stereotype of tradtional
Vietnamese towards VF dating Americans is that she's a whore. It dates
back to the Vietnam War. But it still colors our perceptions even if we
don't recognize it. It's time forget about it. And everything else that
we bred to believe; we're "slaves to the system" Time to unlearn as John
Singleton preaches.

Thu Ha Nguyen  

: What I don't understand is how anyone who can express herself this
: well has only a GPA of 2.9.  Is it poor math skills?

2.9 isn't bad at all. 2.5 is average..and 3.0 is often 'cum laude'
at many institutions. It means mostly Bs with one or 2 c's thrown
in. A bad freshman year can do  that to you.  I've often found that
numbers don't reflect a true scholar at all.

posting from asg-X,

Jenny

: Martin

--
Jennifer Basil (ba...@bio.bu.edu)      Has angst, will travel.                

"You live your life
   like a canary in a coalmine!
 You get so dizzy
   even walking in a straight line.."
                ..The Police

: dnoa...@mail.brisnet.org.au (David Noakes) writes:

: >Some of us here respect other races, we just have a preference for
:  asian females.
: >Not because they are submissive, but perhaps because they are
: a little different
:          ^^^^^^^^^
: >from the normal white female, a touch of the exotic, a touch of class.
:           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                 ^^^^^^             ^^^^^
: (Perhaps this says something about how
: >white society is degenerating that a lot of guys I know find that
:  they don't have much in common with
:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >"white" females.

: [sigh] how many times do we have to hear this from yet another person?  

: >I've been out with Asians, Indians and Europeans. Does this make me a misfit perhaps?

: Maybe David Noakes can explain why African women aren't similarly "exotic",
: and why WFs are so unexotic, so lacking in class, that some WM don't seem
: to have much in common with them.  Nobody else seems to want to explain.
: What's different about the "normal" WFs?  

CLASS?????? BWO HAAA HEHHE HI HOOO HAHAHA HEHEHEH!!!!

Yeah right, Hey Stef, you really have "class" ROTFL!!!!

Anyways, *I* don't attach any such mystical traits to them (THEM???? WHAT
DO YOU MEAN THEM BOOOO HOOOO NOW WE ARE US AND THEM HUH, HUH MOTHER
FUCKER>>>>>_)@!$#*!@#$^!@#&)( THEM??? AAAAIEIEIEIIEIEIE), I just htink
that black hair, and brown eyes is sexy as HELL and yes, I really dig
black chicks, latinas and dark featured caucasians too. Geez, since I
know what I like, it must mean that I am an equal opportunity
objectifier, BWOOO HA AHA AHEE!!

What is so funny is that when chicks (oh excuse me, femininely
gendered homo sapiens) manage to hold out for the little worms they claim
are the only "real" men, they become bored and cheat on their pathetic
little well-trained hubby-wubbies. HEEE HHHIIIHIOHOHJHEHHA!!!

-SNARF LOSERS!

-terry

James Pham <jp...@corp.sgi.com> writes, after 77 pages of drivel:

Ummmmmm, James? Two things:
a) That should read 'Amen, brother.',
and
b) Learn to use an editor, BONEHEAD!!!!!!! SHEESH Quote the entire friggin'
article to add one line? What, just get your net.drivers.license?

peterd
PS Just so you know, I DON'T edit the NG line, cuz I want to make SURE you
see this.

Okay, okay.  Make that Jae-Im Yoo.  Whatever.

--Sue

Peter F. DeMos (pet...@netcom.com) wrote:
: James Pham <jp...@corp.sgi.com> writes, after 77 pages of drivel:

: >Amen, sis.

: Ummmmmm, James? Two things:
: a) That should read 'Amen, brother.',
: and
: b) Learn to use an editor, BONEHEAD!!!!!!! SHEESH Quote the entire friggin'
: article to add one line? What, just get your net.drivers.license?
Now I think I know why he hates me
He doesn't like an assertive AAf that doesn't mind to contrict his sexist
mind. With Nam he doesn't like me because behave like a good little
traditional Vietnamese girl. Too Bad. You'll get over it someday when
both of you guys are old skeezers in nursing homes.....
Thu

David Noakes (dnoa...@mail.brisnet.org.au) asked:

:I'm not sure whether I'm a "Baby Boomer" or "Generation-X"
(ok, i'm ignorant) - I am 29, so where do i fit?
Welcome to the club! You're an Xer!
Thu Ha "I'm a Xer!" Nguyen

jgre...@lnxland1.denver.colorado.edu (Thu Ha Nguyen) wrote:

At 29, I'm on the bubble between the GenX'ers and the Boomers so I can't
 identify myself with neither side, but I'm in agreement with you on the
sexual (or non-sexual) stereotypes of AMs by non-Asians.
These perpetual stereotypes are also aided by our own Asian communities, however.
AFs are taught and raised to be meek and mild and like you said, a VF dating
(non-Asian) Americans is seen as a whore not only to other non-Asians but
to the Vietnamese as well.
I've dated all sorts of women -- white, black, hispanic, asian -- and have
been blasted by their respective peers and by my own Vietnamese "peers" as
"a banana who should stick to his own". But I can't help it if I am truly
attracted to and find beauty in all these women ... I haven't lost my
Vietnamese-American identity because of them ... so I'll keep on doin' what
I'm doing and if that means I'm bucking the system, so be it.

J.P.

: Personally, those words don't belong to me, just to Thu Ha.
: You seem to live a vacuum, you can expect to be dumb for the rest of your
: life regarding what an Amerasian is cuz I ain't gonna tell ya dumb HICK.

How much longer can Justin hold it together?????? The pressure to just go
ahead and let your personality experience that self modifying schism that
it's going to do *somedaY* must be INTENSE! So just let it happen!!! That
way Thu Ha can, in "her" own way, become a real person. Try it!!!

-terry

Since you don't want to blab it out, let me.

Amerasian > A combination of an American, generally white or black and
any of several Asian countrys, Thi, Viet, Lao, Cambo.  Rarely Chinese or
Japanese.

Amerasian > A left-over that nobody wanted after the Vietnam War...

And kids that America has only recently begun to do the right thing about...
TE

On 7 Feb 1995, Justin Greene wrote:

 what an Amerasian is

Yumi <a...@oci.utoronto.ca> writes, amongst other things:

Excuse me. Can I put you back on the bus that BROUGHT you to this planet?
Please don't x-post your moronic generalizations and stereotypes to asfo
in the future. In OUR mind, you are full of bull.

and......

I'll give you a hint. It's perpetuated by YOU! And your racist FRIENDS!!!!!
Sheesh, what a maroon.
Quiz at 1100 hours on Friday.

peterd

just another theatre geek (gwang...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: In article <3h95vf$...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>,
: William Bangs <wbba...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: >For the person responding to Thu Ha Nguyen's post and the response of a
: >white man who likes Asian women better than whites: we like them because
: >(in general, not always) they are simply more courtious to us, prettier
: >(in our eyes) and just plain nicer.  For myself (responding to your
: >question of why black females, for instance, aren't in the same position)
: >I can only say that the black women I HAVE KNOWN have been much louder,
: >crasser and LESS FUN TO BE AROUND than Asian women.  Does this mean I'm
: >an Orientalist looking for a Madam Butterfly?  Not a bit of it!

:       Au contraire; you fit the definition to a "T".

I am forced to agree. Traits like "courteous" "nicer" and the bad traits of
"louder" "crasser" have nothing to do with anything. They *may* be the
way some asian women have been raised to *appear* but if you cared/loved
the woman you would be interested in how she was really *feeling* and
asian women (being the "surprise" normal people they are) have the same
feelings as everybody else. meaning they are CRASS and LOUD and SMALTY
and FART just like everyone else. The fact that you dont see this and are
happy to settle for the outward appearances of docility means you dont
want to see the entire person.

-terry

        (some more deletion)

Where did you come up with this gem?  While I cannot speak for "Western
society", I am able to say that this kind of reasoning or thought process
has never occurred to me, nor, as far as I know, to anyone I know. It
sounds alot like the kind of garbage some professor might write, in order
to help ensure tenure.

Tim Gasser

You are using the collective "we" now...are you implying that other
people sympathize with you, or that you are of royal blood?  Or, are you
unable to validate or support any of your own ideas that you need to
convince yourself that others believe your stupid ravings?  If you are
telling me that these stereotypes do NOT exist in Western
society I suggest that you brush up on your study of society and
history.  I dislike racists, but the one thing that I hate the most are
ignoramuses like you.  Try reading some books(past and present) on the
Western concepts of Asian people...or perhaps even reading is too much for
you to handle as well.  If your only form of "rebuttal" to my statements
are "you are full of bull", then you are truly the moron.

I'll give you a hint. It's perpetuated by YOU! And your racist FRIENDS!!!!!

Oh please crawl back into the hole from whence you came...your asinine
remarks do not merit any response.

Yumi

Sigh, the respect some people have for professors and intellectual discourse.

John (PO)

My experience definitely supports this. I've gone out with four or five
black women, and had an unpleasant experience every time. They were all
really flaky, if not simply dishonest. Again, this isn't making a
statement about ALL black women - but I do think it's a statistically
significant sample.

Subhuman?  You sounds like a fucking fascist full of scum, and all fascists
must be eliminated.  If the war wasn't end in 1972, you had no reason to get
out of Vietnam alive.  Now you came back.  You're fucked up just like others,
huh?

On 7 Feb 1995, The Crokodile wrote:

HollyWood always makes the newbees the bad guys, until the newbees beging
to make the movies, (vanishing son?) then the next newbees get to be the
bad guys.
TE

On 9 Feb 1995, MARTIN wrote:

In article <3h0ru8$...@carbon.cudenver.edu>,
jgre...@lnxland1.denver.colorado.edu says...

Ouch! In a couple of sentences Thu Ha has managed to define "racism",
"sexism" and "ageism"! It hurts even more when Thu Ha (I'm not going to
refer Thu Ha as "she" since I, once, adopted a VNese female-sounding
nom-de-plumme) was one of those who have delivered stinging criticism at
"bananaism", one of those "isms" that I just love to disagree! I
loved it when Thu Ha, I assumed as a woman's name, talked as a female
"banana", gave those people a lesson about labelling. I thought that
persons like Thu Ha would never draw lines. I thought that I had seen
them all, but, obviously, I did not! You see, once upon a time, when I
lived in NYC, an old wise man walked me down to Time Sq. and said to me:
"Son, sit here for awhile and you will see everything that can ever be!".
He didn't know about the net!

Thu Ha, please define "their hypocritical ways". Are these "ways"
something you've noticed in all, 95%, 33%, 5% or some people of that
particular age group? Are they, therefore, theirs as as group or theirs
as for these individuals only? You see, Thu Ha, I'm one of those
"Boomers": I'm turning 40; I'm one of those "Bananas": I was born in
Saigon; and I'm a male (wish that I could post my pix in this group). So,
what do I know 'bout the X-ers eh? Well.. it just so happens that I share
a humongous part of my life with this with this white, ex-hippi woman
whose son's age is about yours: he's turning 21. He and I are getting on
quit well, partly because we don't have this father-son "heavy"
reationship bullshit (wow, what a mouthful) to deal with, but mainly
because we like the persons, the guys, the dudes... within ourselves. I
can only hope with these credentials, you, Thu Ha, will let me touch the
subject. But then, what the heck... this, after all, is the net where any
being with 2 or more brain cells can mouth off about anything he/she/it,
or he->she, or she->he, or.... likes.

Agree, Thu Ha. From where I am, I see that the future can be quite a ride
for ALL of us with the current political/sentimental situation in the
good ol' US of A. I just want to remind you that Newt's stand has one
thing in common with yours: let's define "us" and "them".

Again, I agree. The points you touched are all myths since I've seen lazy
bums with dark hair and yellow skin quite a numbers of time. As the
matter of fact, I just saw one this morning while shaving. But I want,
from your paragraph above, to add to the lengthly list of myth: "white
Boomers look to...". I think that the myth "Orientals are such ..." is a
maladie generic to the "so-called" Caucasian population, I am not so sure
that it is specific to the "white Boomers" only.

There 2 points I want to make concerning this paragraph:
   1. being a heterosexual male, I do want to screw/intercourse/make love
with all the women- be them black, white, pink, yellow or green- I've
seen and will be seeing in my life. (Whether it's physically,
politically, emotinally or, darn it, morally possible is a very different
issue.) I believe that as long as people are willing to subscribe to the
"us/them" dogma, there will always be whiners with lines such as: "Those
fuddling-dudling '_fill_in_your_favourite_ethnic_group_here_' are
screwing our women!".
   2. being a Boomer, when I buck the trend, I'm labelled as well. So
there, if it makes you, Thu Ha, feel any better.

Gee, this is what women all over the world have complained. I didn't know
that those white male Boomer "bastards" ONLY looked at yellow female
X-ers as sex-objects/slaves.

Proof, Thu Ha, proof. I know personally more than 20 couples (some
married, some otherwise arranged) whose the male half and the female half
are comming from different cultures. A majority of them falls under the
Boomer category, quite a few are X-ers, one couple are in their 70's. My
girl-friend's (it's very hard for me to refer to a woman in her age as a
girl-anything, but it will have to do) son, an X-er, has dated "all over
the map". And I've done more than some "gangster's share" (bragging!). So
the point you make above is NOT true.

This is exactly the thing that can make one feels so helpless! After
giving them hell for starting on "banana", how can you, Thu Ha, fall for
this "oriental" crap? The last time I looked "oriental" means "from the
east". Why does this make you suddenly become so sensitive? If you object
to the word "oriental", would you never object to the word "asian" ten
years down the line? To put myself on a limb here: Frankly, I don't see
why some "black" people are objecting to the word "Negro" when it only
means "black". "Nigger", that I, as well as anyone, can see, but "Negro"?
You see, I'm one of those blessed with some broken Latin, can only feel
so sad when people, for reasons unknown, decided to be "language polices"
without making efforts to understand the "language" part first!

Thu Ha, reading these words of yours makes me wonder whether you,
yourself, are a myth/paradox. Such a strong statement, such a convincing
proposal as "I propose that .... is a paradox." Why did you dilute it
with the phase "... when it comes to Asians"?

And, beside, 2.9 GPA is nothing to be ashamed of. The question remains,
however: Did you learn anything while at school?

Hey erveryone! Thu Ha, speaking as a female Oriental, and I, speaking as
a male Oriental, want to submit our own cases (with your permission, of
course, Thu Ha) as "dis-proofs" to the myth that female Orientals are
such and such and male Orientals are such and such. You heard it from the
horse mouth that Thu Ha IS NOT one of those "Chinese baby dolls". And
under the roof I share with my girl-friend, and her children, and her
cats, and her fish, and her car... it is I who do the cooking, the
shopping and bed-making; she does the laundry, cleaning and baking. We
share dish-washing, gardening, etc. Btw, she, like all my exes, lately
has complained that I "...have only sex in mind"! What else am I supposed
to have when lying next to this INCREDIBLY sexy woman?

Look, Thu Ha. I don't know about you. But when I want sex, it's usually
sex that I want, NOT sex with just only A and therefore exclude myself
from B, NOR only with B and therefore not A. As long as the person I have
sex with is someone I like and also someone who likes me, why should I
care if she is 20, 30, 40 or 900? From the above-mentioned line, I can
only feel sorry for those boomers who have been keeping themselves pure,
and chaste waiting for the X-ers!

Great! Now, do you really, really care whether these couples are Boomers
or X-ers?

You touch me here, Thu Ha. It's the "common man" inherent to all of us
who is crying out for some recognition here. It's that same "common man"
(I use the term "man" as in Latin's "mano" or "hand", which includes both
sexes) that brought me to tears when I saw those starving Ethiopian kids.
It also the same "common man", I believe, that I heard when I read your
post concerning "banana". However, unlike you, I am very weary about that
"common man"! What if that "common man", on certain days, comes to the
conclusion that certain behaviours are "common" to all of us, and
therefore "good", others, being not "common", and therefore "bad"... You
see my point?

I, therefore, say that after 1/2 hour in the darkroom, let's turn on the
light, look at each other, recognize our differences as well as our
similarities and learn to live with them or, better still, love them.
Love & Peace, man! Am I being too much of a Boomer/Hippi? And if I am, am
I hypocritical?

So... what are you saying Thu Ha? Is it still worth it to erase the lines
created by our past ignorances, or are we too "doomed" to be saved?

If you agree with me that whatever happend in the past gives us lessons
so that we can improve on today, toward a better tomorrow, ...

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In article <3h8gjg$...@carbon.cudenver.edu>,
jgre...@lnxland1.denver.colorado.edu says...

I remember that there is a mechnics called "personal email" for this kind
of crap! Btw, Justine... if you lend your addr. out, this is what you
should expect!

Why should I, or any one, have to put up with net abusers like this?

Agree, anyone?

Actually, in many respects Yumi is correct.  In old Spain, for example,
sexual pleasure was reserved for the mistress.  If a wife started getting
pleasure out of sex the husband immediately suspected infidelity.  For many
years women weren't expected to enjoy sex and if they did they were
considered whores.  Sex was one of those things a man "needed" and a woman
put up with.  To a large extent in many civilized cultures this was the
case.  Today you can take a look at any magazine with studies about men and
women and sex - they usually say that most (if not all) men think about
sex on a daily basis but that only about 19% of women do.  Women aren't
supposed to care about the orgasm, just the closeness.  Women are still
not expected to enjoy sex as much as men but we're now being told that
that is ok because we (women) can appreciate the closeness that intamicy
brings.  If a man brags about his "conquests" he's a stud - a woman who
does the same is a whore and a slut.  A lot of a woman's worth is wrapped
up in her appearance and ability to be sexually attractive.  Things are
changing but there's still a lot to do.  The important thing is to keep
working and moving forward.  

Anyway, the only thing I would disagree is with the role of concubines and
wives in the China of generations back.  A wife, very often, was also a
status symbol (depending on who her father/family was) and a concubine was
also used for procreation.  If a wife didn't have a son it would have to
be up to the concubines to provide.  This wass actually true in many areas
of the world.  A man could get special religious dispensation to put aside
a "barren" wife and take another if a son were not born.  Of course, this
also had a lot to do with how much you were worth - not just anyone could
get this but if you had enough power and money, well... a lot of uppity
women also ended up in insane asylums.  If this is all hard to swallow,
take a look at anthropology texts and Elizabethan English history.  You
can also take a look at present day Brazil where it's still (I believe)
considered ok for a man to kill his wife if he even suspects her of
committing adultry (I've heard there were plans to change this but I'm not
sure if it has or not).

While Tim may take offense at this, I'm sorry but you really can't change
history and the way people are/were because it's uncomfortable to look at.
You may not treat women this way and if so then that's great - but, there
are plenty of men still doing this and a lot of women buying into it.

joan

jgre...@lnxland1.denver.colorado.edu (Justine) writes, amongst other things:

You Justine, just need to drop the schizoid personality. THAT will get you far.

and.....

To which the scholar Justine is talking with replies:

Hehehehe. These were my favorite parts. ESPECially the 'What are you talking
about' bit. Hehehehe. EVERYone wants to know that Justine.

peterd
PS I guess on scv you are ALL Vietnames, eh Justine? No amerasian confessions
here! Hehehehehe.

: wbba...@u.washington.edu (William Bangs) writes:

: >For the person responding to Thu Ha Nguyen's post and the response of a
: >white man who likes Asian women better than whites: we like them because
: >(in general, not always) they are simply more courtious to us, prettier
: >(in our eyes) and just plain nicer.  For myself (responding to your
: >question of why black females, for instance, aren't in the same position)
: >I can only say that the black women I HAVE KNOWN have been much louder,
: >crasser and LESS FUN TO BE AROUND than Asian women.  Does this mean I'm

: My experience definitely supports this. I've gone out with four or five
: black women, and had an unpleasant experience every time. They were all
: really flaky, if not simply dishonest. Again, this isn't making a
: statement about ALL black women - but I do think it's a statistically
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: significant sample.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Uhh, yeah, whatever. (If anybody needs an explanation for the sad state
of American education, it's right here.)

I could point out the total number of black women in this country and
that your "statistically significant sample" is something like 1E-20
of a % of the population, but I think that is too profound for you.

But I think you just hit the Ctrl X too soon. I'm sure you wanted to add
"I know what I'm talking about, because I also dated 2 (two) white
and 1 (one) Hispanic woman. And then I met <raptures> Ah-Ming, the
perrrrrfect Oh-leeeental goddess". Exeunt omnes.

Ira

*Five people is a "statistically significant sample"?  *Five people
in the select group that you dated?

Barbara

In article <3haos1$...@carbon.cudenver.edu> jgre...@lnxland1.denver.colorado.edu (Thu Ha Nguyen) writes: