Economic Collapse Will Lead To WORLD GOVERNMENT
MAT JBG
I seem to have been cut short in mid quatrain...some sort of posting
glitch I guess Sorry about that but I'll continue where I left
off..............
........Nostradamus also descibes an economic collapse and uses the same
symbolism as revelation (The Aldulturess)
The great credit of gold and abundance of silver
Will cause honor to be blinded by lust:
The offence of the Alduturess will become Known
(U.S. natational
dedt)
Which will occur to her great dishonor.
C8 Q14
and again:
The imitations of Gold and silver will become inflated
(money and bonds)
which will after the rape are thrown into the fire
(After the collapse money and bonds will become worthless)
After discovering all is exhausted and disipated by debt
(speaks for itself)
All scripts and bonds are wiped out.
C5 Q32
These quatrains are usually interpreted as the crash of 1929 or 86 but
I strongly believe he's really talking about the total collapse to
come----which I believe for various reasons is likely to be in 98--- so we
haven't got long to waite until global government and the surveilance
society is upon us!!!!!!!
What's your verdict people----is there a shred of truth in any of that
woffle----let me know what you think!!!
Take care out there
Mat
MAT JBG
Having spent four years trading Japanese financial instruments for a large
merchant bank and the past eighteen months studying global trends and how
they relate to prophecy I strongly believe that there is going to be an
economic collapse
precipitated by an earthquake in Tokyo within the next couple of years and
this this in turn will lead to the establishment of a World Government.
Both Revalation and Nostradamus seem to clearly predict it. See what you
make of my reasoning.
The weak point in the Global financial system is America's $4 trillion
dollar national debt---most of which is owned by Japan. When the "big one"
destroys Tokyo ( and its well over due) hundreds of thousands could die
and it would cost several $trillion to rebuild.To do this the Japanese
would have to sell there overseas investments-especially a couple of $
trillion of US government bonds. The US bond market would plummet closely
followed by all world markets Most banks, countries and personal
investiments would be worth next to nothing so the system would become
starved of cash. Interest rates would go ballistic causing hyper inflation
and a Global economic collapse would be inevitable. (especially if the big
one hits California about the same time as I believe it will)
Once you get the economic collapse the global financial system would
have to start from scratch and a new Global authority would have to be
established to take control of the chaos that would follow---World
government-- smart cards(implant chips)--digi-cash, surveilance society,
social control etc etc----sound familiar anyone!!!
The bible clearly describes an economic collapse in several places:
And a voice from amoung the four living beings said "A loaf of bread
for a days wages or a kilogram of flour but there is no olive oil or
wine"
Rev 6,6 The Living Bible
(excuse the disgusting translation but it simplifies
things)
Reveltion I believe not only describes the economic collapse but Americas
part in it. Revelation speaks of Babylon (the Harlot) riding on a beast
with seven
heads and ten horns.
I am positive that Babylon is the US and the Beast is the world
government. (in realityis it not the U.S. that holds the reigns of the
U.N. !!!)
Why is babylon the US ???-
Firstly look at the pyramid and the eye on a dollar bill--that's all
Babylonian symbology.
Secondly read revelation 18 and see how it describes Babylon the
Harlot:
1. The travelling merchants have become rich due to the power of her
shameless luxury
2. I am queen, I am no widow, I will never see mourning
(Americas belief that it's the most powerful and always will be)
3. your travelling merchants have become the most powerful men of the
earth
(sound far more like a description of the U.S. than it does
anything remotely
religious to me)
4. It also mentions that all the nations of the earth have been
seduced by her-
(Has not every nation on earth been seduced by the lure of
capitalist
consummerism and the American dream)
After it is announced that "Babylon the great has fallen" it goes ON AND
ON AND ON AND ON about how the merchants weep and mourn for her---Many
people have interpretted babylon as either catholic church or just plain
'false religion' but there is just no way because it makes SUCH A BIG DEAL
out of the merchants weeping and mourning her (why would they mourn the
catholic church)----READ IT FOR YOURSELF YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!!!
When Babylon falls the Beast devours her--i.e. Global government takes
power.
Jonathan Smoker
>Hi there
>
Hello!, I'm not an economist but here are my thoughts anyway;
>Having spent four years trading Japanese financial instruments for a large
>merchant bank and the past eighteen months studying global trends and how
>they relate to prophecy I strongly believe that there is going to be an
>economic collapse
>precipitated by an earthquake in Tokyo within the next couple of years and
>this this in turn will lead to the establishment of a World Government.
>Both Revalation and Nostradamus seem to clearly predict it. See what you
>make of my reasoning.
>
>The weak point in the Global financial system is America's $4 trillion
>dollar national debt---most of which is owned by Japan. When the "big one"
>destroys Tokyo ( and its well over due) hundreds of thousands could die
>and it would cost several $trillion to rebuild.To do this the Japanese
>would have to sell there overseas investments-especially a couple of $
>trillion of US government bonds. The US bond market would plummet closely
>followed by all world markets Most banks, countries and personal
>investiments would be worth next to nothing so the system would become
>starved of cash. Interest rates would go ballistic causing hyper inflation
>and a Global economic collapse would be inevitable. (especially if the big
>one hits California about the same time as I believe it will)
>
How badly did the Kobe 'quake affect markets? Perhaps it was much smaller
and much less expensive than the projected 'big one' for Tokyo would be.
>Once you get the economic collapse the global financial system would
>have to start from scratch and a new Global authority would have to be
>established to take control of the chaos that would follow---World
>government-- smart cards(implant chips)--digi-cash, surveilance society,
>social control etc etc----sound familiar anyone!!!
>
I don't agree with this part. For example;
1) The crash in the late 20's didnt lead to world government; didnt it
result in more protectionism as countries tried to look out for
themselves?
2) After the war, the devastation was huge... far bigger than any
earthquake could be. And yet again, no world government (UN
aside, which never had any teeth).
>
>The bible clearly describes an economic collapse in several places:
>
><A lot of prophesy snipped>
Jonathan.
John Hyde
>....I strongly believe that there is going to be an economic collapse
>precipitated by an earthquake in Tokyo within the next couple of years and
>this this in turn will lead to the establishment of a World Government.
>Both Revalation and Nostradamus seem to clearly predict it. See what you
>make of my reasoning.
Mat JBG:
For a straightforward explanation of the relationship between religion
and (future) history, I recommend a complete reading of The Urantia
Book. Although there are few explicit details given, the broad trends
of things to come are clearly outlined.
For instance, the advent of mass communication and rapid
transportation will lead to a mixing of cultural viewpoints unlike
anything this world has seen in tens of millenia. The uncertainty and
confusion caused by this will not settle down for at least 1,000
years. By that time, a "new order of society" will have emerged, as
different from our world today as the 20th century is different from
1st century Rome.
>Reveltion I believe not only describes the economic collapse but Americas
>part in it. Revelation speaks of Babylon (the Harlot) riding on a beast
>with seven heads and ten horns.
The Urantia Book is revelatory, but I presume you speak of the
Biblical book of revelation, which we have in greatly abridged form.
Large portions were lost before the first copy was made.
However, it is generally believed that Babylon is a code word for
Rome. The Schofield Bible is a marvelous piece of research, and I
highly recommend you examine this extensive and easy-to-follow
analysis of all the biblical prophesies.
>Why is babylon the US ???-
> Firstly look at the pyramid and the eye on a dollar bill--that's all
>Babylonian symbology.
It sounds as though you have been influenced by the group of people
who tend to combine conspiracy theories with a hard-core
fundamentalist outlook on religoius life. If, on the other hand, you
arrived at these conclusions on your own, then you will greatly
appreciate other viewpoints, so that you may enlarge your own.
>Nostradamus also descibes an economic collapse and uses the same symbolism
>as revelation (The Aldulturess)
As I understand things, Nostradamus deliberately wrote his verses so
that they would only be understandable AFTER the predicted events had
occurred.
--
John C. Hyde eus...@exu.ericsson.se
"Only a brave person is able honestly to accept, and fearlessly to face,
what a sincere and logical mind discovers." -Rodan of Alexandria
JudeMD
Do we need to dread it any more than the colonies and territories of
America
dreaded becoming the United States?
I'm sure there are disadvantages a person could expound upon, but if this
country could devise a scheme and a blueprint for establishing this Union,
why could we not, as a planet, accomplish a similar task and abolish
the fear and insecurity of billions of citizens of the world?
The savings in funds spent on armaments would go a long way towards
treating the worst of the world's ills, not to mention the savings on
research
and space exploration, as duplication of efforts must be eating up more
dollars,
right now, than we can imagine!
I can't see the world going in any other direction-- except maybe to END!
Are *those* (the ones who believe that the end of the world is near) the
only
people who are warning against this "evil"?
How can we imagine remaining in this state of division, uncooperativeness
and
outright immature selfishness for very much longer?
Besides, without a good strong and democratic world government, how are
we going to keep the multi-national corporations from *becoming* that
government?
Jude in Baltimore
2/22/96 1:17:49 a
Donald Jorgensen
> On 22 Feb 1996 06:21:35 -0500, jud...@aol.com (JudeMD) wrote:
>
> >What's wrong with world government?
> >
> >Do we need to dread it any more than the colonies and territories of
> >America
> >dreaded becoming the United States?
> >
>
> There are a couple of things wrong with world government. Firstly the
> citizens of a world government don't have the ultimate sanction
> available (though not always without difficulty) to citizens of
> national governments of voting with their feet.
>
> Sooner or later every government is going to drift towards
> totalitarianism. The experience of the 20th century is that
> totalitarian states are ultimately uncompetitive i.e. it is
> competition from more democratic states and the example to their
> people of the higher living standards available that drives them
> towards democratisation. A world government would have no such drive
> towards economic efficiency and therefore there would be little to
> oppose the natural tendency of governments to centralise more and more
> control.
>
> I'm inclined to believe that a world government, however nobly it
> started out, would inevitably become a totalitarian state which could
> last an extraordinarily long time and could collapse only by civil war
> into anarchy and thence into a mess of small, aggressive tribes.
>
I agree. In addition, we in the western democracies seem to assume
that our benign and tolerant attitudes would prevail in this world
government. I suggest that these attitudes are held by only a small
percentage of human society. Chinese culture proclaims all others
inferior and their history is of brutal suppression. This has not
changed, see today's newspapers. Not that their attitude is unique.
Western civilization has been dominant in the world for two hundred years,
in the last 50, we have evolved away from chauvanistic attitudes
somewhat but the rest of the world has not necessarily kept pace.
A World Government would, given todays antagonisms, be ungovernable without
a _very_ strong military - meaning brutal suppression of fractious or
rebellious groups. That road almost always leads to totalitarianism.
Don Jorgensen
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Malcolm McMahon
>What's wrong with world government?
>
>Do we need to dread it any more than the colonies and territories of
>America
>dreaded becoming the United States?
>
There are a couple of things wrong with world government. Firstly the
citizens of a world government don't have the ultimate sanction
available (though not always without difficulty) to citizens of
national governments of voting with their feet.
Sooner or later every government is going to drift towards
totalitarianism. The experience of the 20th century is that
totalitarian states are ultimately uncompetitive i.e. it is
competition from more democratic states and the example to their
people of the higher living standards available that drives them
towards democratisation. A world government would have no such drive
towards economic efficiency and therefore there would be little to
oppose the natural tendency of governments to centralise more and more
control.
I'm inclined to believe that a world government, however nobly it
started out, would inevitably become a totalitarian state which could
last an extraordinarily long time and could collapse only by civil war
into anarchy and thence into a mess of small, aggressive tribes.
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JudeMD
<Pine.PTX.3.91j.96022...@carson.u.washington.edu>,
Donald Jorgensen <do...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>A World Government would, given todays antagonisms, be ungovernable
>without a _very_ strong military - meaning brutal suppression of
fractious or
>rebellious groups. That road almost always leads to totalitarianism.
I disagree-- I'm sure there were equally pessimistic opinions among the
colonists in America, pre-Revolutionary War. They did not know that the
outcome of the war against England would be successful! Todays world,
in many ways is even *smaller* than that of the early colonists-- who
could
not expect to pass information from Maine to Georgia in less than many
weeks. They were *not* all united, and some arrived with land grants and
were not inclined to give their control of *their* land up to a higher,
governmental, power.
My father always said "Once a government goes Totalitarian, that's it!"
Many decisions were made on that very basis, post-WWII, that might have
been made differently, and saved much resources, time and lives, if that
"truth" could have been known for the false icon it was.
We have seen these past years that this is *not* an absolute.
There are more possibilities than *some* people will allow for.
I am just not willing to let the economy and the ecosystems of the world
be
sacrificed to that pitiful wailing over what "will probably" "almost
always"
BUT NOT NECESSARILY happen!
Unity would not happen all at once, but if the major powers worked on it--
like Europe is attempting, in it's own sphere-- eventually the fractious
and
rebellious nations would come along.
By assuring each nation of their continued existence, and relieving *some*
nations
of the responsibility for maintaining their marginal control (like in
Northern Ireland),
the economic benefits of cooperation would be the final weight that would
tip the
scales in favor of world unity. It need not be done by force.
The benefits are so huge that I feel it is a manifestation of the most
narrow
mindedness and short-sightedness not to begin working on the methods for
bringing this about-- I think those who are against it are arguing from
their own
prejudices and assumptions of superiority-- and fear of the unknown.
The world is not flat, we *can* get to the other side! How? I don't quite
know,
yet, but lets start mapping a route, at least! All this talk about falling
off the
edge, and sea monsters and all, is not what this resistance is really
about!
Jude in Baltimore
2/24/96 4:32:28 a
Malcolm McMahon
>
>My father always said "Once a government goes Totalitarian, that's it!"
>Many decisions were made on that very basis, post-WWII, that might have
>been made differently, and saved much resources, time and lives, if that
>"truth" could have been known for the false icon it was.
>
>We have seen these past years that this is *not* an absolute.
But the forces that have lead towards democratisation have been
_external_ forces like the inability of the Soviet Union to keep up in
the arms race because of economic inefficiency. A World Tyranny would
_have_ no external forces.
>There are more possibilities than *some* people will allow for.
>I am just not willing to let the economy and the ecosystems of the world
>be
>sacrificed to that pitiful wailing over what "will probably" "almost
>always"
>BUT NOT NECESSARILY happen!
>
So instead you'll gamble a high probability of centuries of oppression
against a chance of utopia? You are right it would not _necessarily_
go sour but the odds seem very unfavourable.
>Unity would not happen all at once, but if the major powers worked on it--
>
>like Europe is attempting, in it's own sphere-- eventually the fractious
>and
>rebellious nations would come along.
Forced into submission by economic leveraged.
>By assuring each nation of their continued existence,
Such assurance would necessarily be a lie. By definition a World
Government takes away all national sovereignty and, in the end,
identity.
> and relieving *some*
>nations
>of the responsibility for maintaining their marginal control (like in
>Northern Ireland),
Which you evidently don't begin to understand.
>the economic benefits of cooperation would be the final weight that would
>tip the
>scales in favor of world unity. It need not be done by force.
Yes it must, though the force may be mostly subtle and defensive. The
erection of trade barriers is a form of force, ultimately backed by
force of arms.
>
>The benefits are so huge that I feel it is a manifestation of the most
>narrow
>mindedness and short-sightedness not to begin working on the methods for
>bringing this about-- I think those who are against it are arguing from
>their own
>prejudices and assumptions of superiority-- and fear of the unknown.
>
In terms of political reorganisation only an idiot is unafraid of the
unknown.
>The world is not flat, we *can* get to the other side! How? I don't quite
>know,
>yet, but lets start mapping a route, at least! All this talk about falling
>off the
>edge, and sea monsters and all, is not what this resistance is really
>about!
>
The sea monsters are real. We've seen them. We've seen people eaten by
them in Germany, Russia, South America, Africa. We've seen countries
fall off the edge of the world.
financ...@gmail.com
I listen to the guy from http://www.forecastfortomorrow.com and he was laughed when he called this years ago, and now look whats happening. He knows that one world govt is only about 2 or 3 steps away, go check him out.
I am worried about my family and my financial security, my job is not really that safe. anyone else out there scared??