America Is A Banana Republic?
AbelM...@webtv.net
like a Banana Republic".
Well, almost. Florida is a Banana Republic, not America. And if any
good comes out of all this, it is that the entire nation's spot light
will continue to focus right on the "Sunshine State". And that is a
good thing, for our nation as a whole, but not a good thing for Jeb
Bush, being exposed for what he and his State is. Florida has had a
notorious reputation for being a State that is filled with election
fraud & corruption, but now this reputation is becoming worldwide
knowledge. This is Bad news for Jeb.
The BBC went on, today, to comment on Florida's election snafu, "In
other countries, the Generals take over at a time like this, in America,
the Lawyers take over."
This is true. We are a nation of laws. And our laws are working just
fine. And if there is any "rule of law" that will save our nation, any
justice, any fairness in our system at all, then Al Gore will win. And
Al Gore WILL win. The Bush forces will not be able to pull their
shenanigans, no matter how hard they try. That is my opinion.
Abel Malcolm
http://www.democrats.org
Stop Thief
World news: UN FOCUSES ON TURMOIL IN AMERIJKANISTAN
After two decades in which social and financial inequalities widened amidst
unsustainable speculative development, the country of Amerijkanistan held
presidential elections this week.
The two leading candidates were both drawn from a tiny elite, both spent
vast sums on propaganda, and both have claimed victory. Experts on
Amerijkanistan recall the history of violent revolution, civil war and more
recent political violence and assassinations, resignations, impeachments,
sexual scandals and corruption in this emergent republic, and recommend
that
the UN supervise its elections until the country stabilizes.
"It is struggling to emerge from years of political polarization and
turmoil" said a World Trade Organization spokesperson, "and its
long-suffering people deserve our support."
"One side of the country declared results before voting had finished in
another part" he explained. Moreover, he went on to spell out that the
southern province of 'Floridalandia,' in which the leadership struggle is
being fought, is run by the brother of one of the candidates, whose father
had previously ruled the entire country, having risen through his control
of
the nation's intelligence/security apparatus. Their family is based in a
part of the country in which secessionist feelings have long run strong and
which was only incorporated into Amerijkanistan after a border war.
Experts on Amerijkanistan argue that the UN should go in to run education
programs, disarm the population, relieve the malnutrition and environmental
problems caused by adherence to a staple diet of cheese and burgers,
democratize the police forces and above all halt the further development of
war machinery. "This country has used dangerous weapons in the past and
often threatened to do so again. But with our help, modernization, and a
stress on human development, it may have a more stable future and join the
ranks of the civilized international community" he said.
Rohan
<AbelM...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> According to today's BBC's World Service, "America is beginning to look
> like a Banana Republic".
>
should we care what they think.
> Well, almost. Florida is a Banana Republic, not America. And if any
> good comes out of all this, it is that the entire nation's spot light
> will continue to focus right on the "Sunshine State". And that is a
> good thing, for our nation as a whole, but not a good thing for Jeb
> Bush, being exposed for what he and his State is. Florida has had a
> notorious reputation for being a State that is filled with election
> fraud & corruption, but now this reputation is becoming worldwide
> knowledge. This is Bad news for Jeb.
>
So, you blame Jeb for all of Florida's problems. He hasn't even been in
office that long.
> The BBC went on, today, to comment on Florida's election snafu, "In
> other countries, the Generals take over at a time like this, in America,
> the Lawyers take over."
>
I assume then that you would prefer the Generals?
> This is true. We are a nation of laws.
wouldn't know it seeing all the Democrats bitch and moan when laws that are
contrary to their power are upheld. wouldn't know it the way you whine.
> And our laws are working just fine.
really? even though those laws are going to keep Gore out?
> And if there is any "rule of law" that will save our nation, any
> justice, any fairness in our system at all, then Al Gore will win.
haha, i was waiting for that. if the law is followed, gore has already
lost.
> And
> Al Gore WILL win. The Bush forces will not be able to pull their
> shenanigans, no matter how hard they try. That is my opinion.
>
what shenanigans? upholding the LAW? you are an uninformed idiot.
Raz
Cameron L. Spitzer
>haha, i was waiting for that. if the law is followed, gore has already
>lost.
Hell. If the law were followed, Gore and Clinton and Bush Sr.
and Reagan and Carter would all stand before an international
jury for their war crimes.
Cameron
nycap.rr.com
> fine.
They are for the likes of OJ and billy clinon. But I suspect that if you
pissed off the wrong folks, they could find a law from brocken tail light
and up to harrass you with.
> And if there is any "rule of law" that will save our nation, any
> justice, any fairness in our system at all, then Al Gore will win.
>
I will pray to your Democrats so they will grant your desires and let you
live happily with their bessing. Amen.
Zepp, Weasel Sea Shells by the Sea Shore
>
><AbelM...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:1321-3A1...@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
>> According to today's BBC's World Service, "America is beginning to look
>> like a Banana Republic".
>>
>Screw the Brits. We kicked their ass out 225 years ago, so what the hell
>should we care what they think.
They came back and kicked our asses just 186 years ago.
>
>> Well, almost. Florida is a Banana Republic, not America. And if any
>> good comes out of all this, it is that the entire nation's spot light
>> will continue to focus right on the "Sunshine State". And that is a
>> good thing, for our nation as a whole, but not a good thing for Jeb
>> Bush, being exposed for what he and his State is. Florida has had a
>> notorious reputation for being a State that is filled with election
>> fraud & corruption, but now this reputation is becoming worldwide
>> knowledge. This is Bad news for Jeb.
>>
>So, you blame Jeb for all of Florida's problems. He hasn't even been in
>office that long.
>
How to you explain the disgrace of a Bush campaign co-chair calmly
assuming control of the vote in Florida? Doesn't that strike you as
the sort of thing you read about in places like Nigeria or Serbia or
Indonesia?
Castro offered to send election observer's and given the behavior of
Jeb Bush's regime and Kathleen Harris, his corrupt party flack, I
think we should take Castro up on his offer. He could run a more
honest election than the Bush/Harris regime has managed.
>> The BBC went on, today, to comment on Florida's election snafu, "In
>> other countries, the Generals take over at a time like this, in America,
>> the Lawyers take over."
>>
>I assume then that you would prefer the Generals?
>
>> This is true. We are a nation of laws.
>
>wouldn't know it seeing all the Democrats bitch and moan when laws that are
>contrary to their power are upheld. wouldn't know it the way you whine.
>
>> And our laws are working just fine.
>
>really? even though those laws are going to keep Gore out?
>
>> And if there is any "rule of law" that will save our nation, any
>> justice, any fairness in our system at all, then Al Gore will win.
>
>haha, i was waiting for that. if the law is followed, gore has already
>lost.
>
>> And
>> Al Gore WILL win. The Bush forces will not be able to pull their
>> shenanigans, no matter how hard they try. That is my opinion.
>>
>what shenanigans? upholding the LAW? you are an uninformed idiot.
>
>Raz
>
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Bastique
This is a state where people who run for "Election Supervisor" do it under
party lines. And the County Supervisors notoriously skew the election. I
wouldn't be surprised if our own Jane Carroll secretly deleted Democrats
names from the voters polls (A number of people were turned away because
they weren't on the rolls at their precinct. Oddly high number of them
Democrats). I'm not saying that Democrat supervisors don't do the same
type of things, their just not as savvy with it. That girl up in Palm Beach
probably thought she was helping Al Gore by placing him third.
This is a state where dead people, convicted felons and immigrants vote in
droves. (in equal amounts Republican and Democrat) I've actually heard of
major voter registration drives in Prisons.
This is a state where the margin of error in elections is disproportionately
higher in counties with large populations such as Broward and Miami-Dade,
resulting from a machines which were not designed to count the hundreds of
thousands of ballots they are forced to count every four years.
This is a state where Gerrymandering (the illegal practice of grouping
people in districts by ethnic or economic categories, thus giving one or
another group or party a higher proportion of members in the respective
state and federal government) is not only allowed, but encouraged.
(However, I still wonder how, E.Clay Shaw, a moderate-conservative
Republican has managed to just barely defeat Elaine Bloom, a Jewish Democrat
in a district which is largely populated by Jewish Democrats, senior
citizens, and gay men, running along the coast east of US 1 from Palm Beach
to South Beach.)
I just encourage everyone to remember... what really mattered is not the
percentage of eligible voters who voted for Al Gore or George Bush, but the
52% of eligible Americans that *did not* vote for either of them.
America: Government of less than 50% of the people, by 10% of the people
and for 2% of the people.
"BlackWater" <b...@barkk.com> wrote in message
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> AbelM...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >According to today's BBC's World Service, "America is beginning to look
> >like a Banana Republic".
>
> And Britisher shit don't stink, I suppose ...
>
> >Well, almost. Florida is a Banana Republic, not America.
>
> No, not really. It was just a VERY close election, too
> close for the balloting system to properly resolve.
>
> Think of it this way ..... If I give you two sacks
> of of those little foam packing "peanuts", tell you
> that one sack has one less peanut in it, and then
> give you a bathroom scale to determine which one is
> short ... you can't do it. The measuring device isn't
> sensitive enough to resolve such a small difference.
> If you try to open the bags and count all the peanuts,
> some will get lost, some will get broken and you will
> likely lose count somewhere along the way as well.
>
> The job SEEMS completely quantifiable - until you
> actually try it. Now consider 66 counties with
> dozens of precincts, millions upon millions of
> voters and a bunch of common Joes and Janes all
> trying to count them. Mechanical, human and
> procedural errors will all conspire against
> ever arriving at a one, true, accurate figure.
>
> That's analogous to the situation in Florida. No
> "bananna republic" in deed or spirit, just a system
> not quite up to the task. Had the vote spread been
> 5000 or so, none of this would have come up.
>
> BW
Raziel
"Cameron L. Spitzer" <spam...@petra.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> >lost.
>
> and Reagan and Carter would all stand before an international
> jury for their war crimes.
>
in our constitution remotely pertaining to 'war crimes'.
Raz
Raziel
"Zepp, Weasel Sea Shells by the Sea Shore" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:17:11 GMT, "Rohan" <m...@vrwc.org> wrote:
>
> >
> ><AbelM...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:1321-3A1...@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >> like a Banana Republic".
> >>
> >should we care what they think.
>
> They came back and kicked our asses just 186 years ago.
Really? Burned the white house in the war of 1812, but that was hardly an
ass kicking. But again, we gave up caring what the Brits think about our
government on July 4 1776. And if you want to talk about ass kickings, the
Brits should thank us, without the USA they would be the smallest province
in the German Empire.
> >
> >> Well, almost. Florida is a Banana Republic, not America. And if any
> >> good comes out of all this, it is that the entire nation's spot light
> >> will continue to focus right on the "Sunshine State". And that is a
> >> good thing, for our nation as a whole, but not a good thing for Jeb
> >> Bush, being exposed for what he and his State is. Florida has had a
> >> notorious reputation for being a State that is filled with election
> >> fraud & corruption, but now this reputation is becoming worldwide
> >> knowledge. This is Bad news for Jeb.
> >>
> >So, you blame Jeb for all of Florida's problems. He hasn't even been in
> >office that long.
> >
> How to you explain the disgrace of a Bush campaign co-chair calmly
> assuming control of the vote in Florida?
umm, doing her job. She was afterall elected by... gasp... the PEOPLE of
Florida. Funny thing, how it pisses the democrats off when someone actually
does their job and follows the law. Guess they are too used to Reno.
> Doesn't that strike you as
> the sort of thing you read about in places like Nigeria or Serbia or
> Indonesia?
nope. She is following the law. but then again, you probably think the
election commisioner in Palm Beach County is non-biased...
> Castro offered to send election observer's and given the behavior of
> Jeb Bush's regime and Kathleen Harris, his corrupt party flack, I
> think we should take Castro up on his offer. He could run a more
> honest election than the Bush/Harris regime has managed.
Sure he can. he is a dictator. elections are very fair when either you
arent allowed to have them, or there is only one candidate, and no write in.
If you lefties like Castro and Cuba so much, why dont you just move down
there. It is paradise afterall.
> >> The BBC went on, today, to comment on Florida's election snafu, "In
> >> other countries, the Generals take over at a time like this, in
America,
> >> the Lawyers take over."
> >>
> >I assume then that you would prefer the Generals?
> >
> >> This is true. We are a nation of laws.
> >
> >wouldn't know it seeing all the Democrats bitch and moan when laws that
are
> >contrary to their power are upheld. wouldn't know it the way you whine.
> >
> >> And our laws are working just fine.
> >
> >really? even though those laws are going to keep Gore out?
> >
> >> And if there is any "rule of law" that will save our nation, any
> >> justice, any fairness in our system at all, then Al Gore will win.
> >
> >haha, i was waiting for that. if the law is followed, gore has already
> >lost.
> >
Chris Nelson
<ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:17:11 GMT, "Rohan" <m...@vrwc.org>
wrote:
>
> >
> ><AbelM...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
>news:1321-3A1...@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >> According to today's BBC's World Service, "America is
beginning to look
> >> like a Banana Republic".
> >>
> >Screw the Brits. We kicked their ass out 225 years ago,
so what the hell
> >should we care what they think.
>
> They came back and kicked our asses just 186 years ago.
> >
America. And if any
> >> good comes out of all this, it is that the entire
nation's spot light
> >> will continue to focus right on the "Sunshine State".
And that is a
> >> good thing, for our nation as a whole, but not a good
thing for Jeb
> >> Bush, being exposed for what he and his State is.
Florida has had a
> >> notorious reputation for being a State that is filled
with election
> >> fraud & corruption, but now this reputation is becoming
worldwide
> >> knowledge. This is Bad news for Jeb.
> >>
> >So, you blame Jeb for all of Florida's problems. He
hasn't even been in
> >office that long.
> >
> How to you explain the disgrace of a Bush campaign
co-chair calmly
strike you as
> the sort of thing you read about in places like Nigeria or
Serbia or
> Indonesia?
>
behavior of
> Jeb Bush's regime and Kathleen Harris, his corrupt party
flack, I
> think we should take Castro up on his offer. He could run
a more
> honest election than the Bush/Harris regime has managed.
That's just so ironic, and humiliating for the GOP in
Florida. *Castro* offering to observe the Florida ballot
counts to ensure fairness! Even a totalitarian dictator
recognizes that the Republicans are a threat to democracy!
--
Chris Nelson
If you're not a liberal when you're
young, you have no heart. If you're
not a liberal when you're older, you
have no brain!
Cameron L. Spitzer
>
>"Cameron L. Spitzer" <spam...@petra.dyndns.org> wrote in message
>news:slrn914qhf....@truffula.sj.ca.us...
>> In article <bErQ5.25537$U46.9...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com>, Rohan wrote:
>> >lost.
>>
>> and Reagan and Carter would all stand before an international
>> jury for their war crimes.
>>
>which law would that be? world law? I don't ever remember seeing anything
>in our constitution remotely pertaining to 'war crimes'.
How about the Geneva Convention on warfare, for one.
It's a treaty, and the US is a signatory. Treaty have the force
of statute in the US.
Cameron
Rohan
in our constitution saying that our leaders may be brought up on charges by
a world court. there is only the provision of impeachment, which can only
be done by congress.
raz
siempre_1
Funny nothing in our Constitution but we regularly pull other leaders to
court for their war crimes, valid or not.
Just like the UN, it does not apply to us. It is only applied for US.
I guess the biggest kid on the block gets his way, dont you think?
Stephen
Rohan
"siempre_1" <siem...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> redundancy deleted
>
> Funny nothing in our Constitution but we regularly pull other leaders to
> court for their war crimes, valid or not.
>
constitutions, and whether or not they 'won the war' in question. to the
victor belong the spoils so to speak.
> Just like the UN, it does not apply to us. It is only applied for US.
>
screw the UN. we should not be in it anyway.
> I guess the biggest kid on the block gets his way, dont you think?
>
indeed. why should the worlds largest economy, most powerful military, and
freest country be held to the whim of 3rd world dictators in the UN?
Raz
siempre_1
"Rohan" <m...@vrwc.org> wrote in message
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>
> "siempre_1" <siem...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:8v2od2$3a157$1...@ID-61277.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > Funny nothing in our Constitution but we regularly pull other leaders to
> > court for their war crimes, valid or not.
> >
> constitutions, and whether or not they 'won the war' in question. to the
> victor belong the spoils so to speak.
Your almost 0.5 right this time Raz
Legally speaking many of the worlds constitutions are based on ours and ours
partly based on the Magna Carta. Neglecting history to argue the other half
of your point. I dont.
"History is written by the Victors"
> > Just like the UN, it does not apply to us. It is only applied for US.
> >
> screw the UN. we should not be in it anyway.
But think of the diplomatic leverage we lose by not being a member.
Think of the American lives at risk if we had to solve every issue we have
with other people(s), by immediately bombing them.
Think how that would make us look.
This is not to say we (UK usually included) will not go against most of the
UN and the World if their concerns and ours are not the same. Or shall I
say in agreement
>
> > I guess the biggest kid on the block gets his way, dont you think?
> >
> indeed. why should the worlds largest economy, most powerful military,
and
> freest country be held to the whim of 3rd world dictators in the UN?
Painting with too broad a brush there arnt ya Raz?
> Raz
>
>
Raziel
>
> "Rohan" <m...@vrwc.org> wrote in message
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> >
> > "siempre_1" <siem...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > news:8v2od2$3a157$1...@ID-61277.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > Funny nothing in our Constitution but we regularly pull other leaders
to
> > > court for their war crimes, valid or not.
> > >
countries
> > constitutions, and whether or not they 'won the war' in question. to
the
> > victor belong the spoils so to speak.
>
> Your almost 0.5 right this time Raz
> Legally speaking many of the worlds constitutions are based on ours and
ours
> partly based on the Magna Carta.
nope. American torts are based on British torts, which stem from the time
of the magna carta. but our constitution is not based on the magna carta.
its a much more inspired document, that grants much more freedom to people,
and limits the power of government than any other document in history. too
bad its ignored. as for other countries constitutions, they are even more
ignored. China's constitution is very close to the US Constitution.
China's is just a living document, totally ignored, and interpreted to mean
whatever the government wants at the time. Governments can choose to ignore
the rules set forth by the people for the government to follow, but it is up
to the people to enforce those rules.
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie
the
second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not
become
the legalized version of the first. "-- Thomas Jefferson
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask
not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which
feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen." -Samuel Adams
> Neglecting history to argue the other half
> of your point. I dont.
> "History is written by the Victors"
>
indeed it is.
>
> > > Just like the UN, it does not apply to us. It is only applied for US.
> > >
> > screw the UN. we should not be in it anyway.
>
> But think of the diplomatic leverage we lose by not being a member.
who cares? we obviously have none anyway, since most of the shitty little
countries that we give billions in foreign aid to, routinely vote against us
in the UN. we may as well just pull out and stop wasting money on it.
> Think of the American lives at risk if we had to solve every issue we have
> with other people(s), by immediately bombing them.
please, what makes you think we would have to bomb everyone? oh ya, your
president has been for the last 8 years.
> Think how that would make us look.
can't make us look any worse than Klinton has lately.
> This is not to say we (UK usually included) will not go against most of
the
> UN and the World if their concerns and ours are not the same. Or shall I
> say in agreement
>
we get screwed by the UN. The UN and all the countries in it, save UK and
Isreal, dont like the US. we are better off not even making the pretense of
being bound by UN resolutions.
>
> >
> > > I guess the biggest kid on the block gets his way, dont you think?
> > >
> > indeed. why should the worlds largest economy, most powerful military,
> and
> > freest country be held to the whim of 3rd world dictators in the UN?
>
> Painting with too broad a brush there arnt ya Raz?
>
a bit. but to make a point. what do you think will happen when/if we allow
the security council and single member veto power to go away?
raz
siempre_1
arnt the same
not to sure about your use of fancy words their amigo
dont get burned
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> "siempre_1" <siem...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> > "Rohan" <m...@vrwc.org> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "siempre_1" <siem...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8v2od2$3a157$1...@ID-61277.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > redundancy deleted
> > > >
> > > > Funny nothing in our Constitution but we regularly pull other
leaders
> to
> > > > court for their war crimes, valid or not.
> > > >
> > > > Just like the UN, it does not apply to us. It is only applied for
US.
> > > >
> > > screw the UN. we should not be in it anyway.
> >
> > But think of the diplomatic leverage we lose by not being a member.
>
> who cares? we obviously have none anyway, since most of the shitty little
> countries that we give billions in foreign aid to, routinely vote against
us
> in the UN. we may as well just pull out and stop wasting money on it.
>
> > Think of the American lives at risk if we had to solve every issue we
have
> > with other people(s), by immediately bombing them.
>
> please, what makes you think we would have to bomb everyone? oh ya, your
> president has been for the last 8 years.
>
> > Think how that would make us look.
>
> can't make us look any worse than Klinton has lately.
>
> > This is not to say we (UK usually included) will not go against most of
> the
> > UN and the World if their concerns and ours are not the same. Or shall
I
> > say in agreement
> >
> we get screwed by the UN. The UN and all the countries in it, save UK and
> Isreal, dont like the US. we are better off not even making the pretense
of
> being bound by UN resolutions.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > I guess the biggest kid on the block gets his way, dont you think?
> > > >
Rohan
> Tort Law v Constitutional Law
>
> arnt the same
>
mentioned common law. our common law is also heavily based on British
common law.
> not to sure about your use of fancy words their amigo
>
> dont get burned
>
raz
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> > > news:V4gR5.40000$U46.1...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com...
> > > >
> > > > "siempre_1" <siem...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:8v2od2$3a157$1...@ID-61277.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > redundancy deleted
> > > > >
> > > > > Funny nothing in our Constitution but we regularly pull other
> leaders
> > to
> > > > > court for their war crimes, valid or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just like the UN, it does not apply to us. It is only applied for
> US.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the biggest kid on the block gets his way, dont you think?
> > > > >