Barling's T.F.V.
Carl Knighten
local tobacconist tonight. Small Canadian shape. Smokes great. Weight
is 0.9 oz. Can anyone give me the lowdown on this pipe.
Thanks
Carl
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Carl Knighten
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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 05:54:13 GMT, ca...@knighten.com (Carl Knighten)
wrote:
carlatknightendotcom
Paul Tatum
but I think this is a good indicator that you have what is known as a " pre
transition Barling " which is a good thing among collectors .
Congratulations !
Scott Laughlin-Richard
transition pipe. Still, if it smokes well for you and you didn't pay
pre-transition prices, should be a good one.In article
<772ok0$9...@chronicle.concentric.net>, "Paul Tatum" <Nos...@concentric.net>
wrote:
Scott
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Paul Tatum
number was stamped in the 1962-68 period which would be the "transitional"
time .
T.V.F. - " the transition company retained that mark, but it was only used
sporadically on a few very select pipes encountered during the transition
period . " ( according to Hacker )
Thanks for the "heads up" Scott !
richard bies
Well, maybe -- it seems to get fuzzy. I'm advised that a leading "1"
<was> used pre-transition, and that there were some others with four-digit
numbers. Others feel that four digits with all the other goodies
indicates the first transitional stage. The dropping of the " 'S", and
script pretty much unambiguously indicates post-transition.
r.m.bies
M Feldman
the stamping on the barling pipes the digits means the size,shape and
the stem that was put on the barling and that all it means,and we have a
barling book coming out with all the meanings of barlings and all the
barlings that where every
made.
MEL FELDMAN, THE SMOKER LTD, ALBANY, NEW YORK
Jim Beard
> with out a doubt there are many 4 digit stamp pre trans barling made,and
> the stamping on the barling pipes the digits means the size,shape and
> the stem that was put on the barling and that all it means,and we have a
> barling book coming out with all the meanings of barlings and all the
> barlings that where every
> made.
I trust an announcement will be posted to this news group when the book is
available. Sounds like a good companion for "The Dunhiill Briar Pipe, The
Patent Years and After" by John C. Loring.
Cheers!
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Scott Laughlin-Richard
production, some of which have found their way her in the US. A 4 digit
number that begins with anything other than a "1", is at best a transition
piece, or a post-transition piece. The only way to know for sure which, is
to find another "pre-Transition" stamping on the pipe, showing it was
acually made in the pre-transition period, and final stamping done by the
company's new owners before selling it. This would be something like a the
block lettering for "Barling's Make" rather than script along with a 4
digit number.
Check out the full Barling story in Pipe Friendly by the "King of
Barlings", Tad Gage, who is much more precise in his dating descriptions
than Hacker's book.In article <9592413...@blckhrse.clark.net>,
j...@blckhrse.clark.net wrote:
Scott
Stephen P. Smith
article which could be said to be the definitive one on this subject.
I don't know if back issues are available, but it would certainly be
worth the effort.
There is a *great* deal of misinformation about Barlings. It is
generally accepted that the Pre-Transition pieces, which were made by
the descendants of Benjamin Barling until 1960 or thereabouts, had a
three digit shape number, or occaisionally a four digit shape number
which began with a one. Any other four digit shape number with block
lettering indicates a Transition piece (ca. 1960-1970), while script
lettering and four digit shape numbers indicate a currently made
piece. The family owned company also had one line that used script
lettering; I believe it was Guinea Grain, but don't hold me to that
(I'm doing this from memory, as most of my pipe literature is in
storage, arrrgghhhhh!!!).
T. V. F. stands for "The Very Finest", and can appear on both Tran.
and pre-Tran. pieces of any grade of Barling. I really don't remember
if it denoted anything in particular.
Virtually all collectors agree on the desirability of Pre-Tran
Barlings. Most also agree that the currently made Barlings are decent
enough pipes for the money, but do not live up to their famous
heritage, like, sadly, many currently made English pipes.
Where the arguing starts is over the Transition pipes. Some argue
that the quality deteriorated almost immediately, while others argue
that this was a slow process, and therefore some Transition Barlings
are in the same league as the earlier pieces, and in fact *are*
earlier pieces which simply have later stamping on them, and therefore
are as collectible as the family pieces, and therefore should be
priced accordingly. I have always viewed this arguement rather
skeptically, but as I don't collect Barlings, I shall leave it the
arguing to others.
Steve Smith
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